Marine Gen. Peter Pace- on gays :

Sweet Tooth · Post by **Sweet Tooth** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:37 am

interesting subject- I think discremination is a huge deal and shouldn't happen, but for the safety of the other soldiers and Marines( there is a difference) it makes sense. And they will send you to jail in the military if they find out that you are having/had an affair

Post by **spot** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:06 am

May I cross-link my earlier comment, since General Pace has been mentioned in this and previous contexts elsewhere?

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showp ... stcount=38

Richard Bell · Post by **Richard Bell** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:59 am

Pace, a native of Brooklyn, N.Y., and a 1967 graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy

I wanna hear what the Rear Admiral has to say about this.

What about "rum, sodomy, and the lash"?

Post by **spot** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:00 pm

Richard Bell;575277 wrote: What about "rum, sodomy, and the lash"?Invented, dear boy. Churchill was shockingly paraphrased, though I forget quite what led to it. Nothing so comic.

Richard Bell · Post by **Richard Bell** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:52 pm

Originally Posted by Richard Bell

What about "rum, sodomy, and the lash"?

spot;575364 wrote: Invented, dear boy. Churchill was shockingly paraphrased, though I forget quite what led to it. Nothing so comic.

Well, it's still my favourite Pogues album.

Post by **spot** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:25 am

flopstock;575610 wrote: Explain please.. in small words..:wah:

Richard noted that General Pace graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy and, given that the topic of the thread is homosexuality in the services, recalled the response commonly attributed to Winston Churchill when told that "naval tradition" wouldn't permit changes he proposed: "Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy, and the lash".

The mis-attribution is confirmed at http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pag ... pageid=112 on a page labelled "These quotes make for good story-telling but popular myth has falsely attributed them to Churchill".

I have it in mind, though I can't find reference anywhere, that one of his books uses a phrase that agrees with the notion but not even slightly with the wording. If I find what it is I'll put it into the thread later. It's why I said he'd been paraphrased. Who knows, I might be wrong about that bit.