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Lady Cop sees it daily on the streets.
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off topic, but for Angel's friends here, i have been in touch with her all afternoon, she will be OK and out of hospital tomorrow. :)
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lady cop wrote: off topic, but for Angel's friends here, i have been in touch with her all afternoon, she will be OK and out of hospital tomorrow. :)




Still off topic! But that is great news.:)















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I have seen and been the one that kids were cruel to, that is evil being conditioned to do more evil.

When I was nine, I watched in horror as three older kids beat another nearly to death. Because of the color of his skin. Yes that was immature, also it was evil. Recently I stopped five MONSTERS as they attempted to beat the living daylights out of a younger youth, for stepping in their way in an arcade.

If you say we are born innocent then why when you leave a child to himself does he become more 'imature' and by that I mean more self centered? Why is it parents are having more problems today with youth than ever before? Surely if we are born without this evil intent in our hearts we would be able to be angelic in our behavior and not fight against authority which, if you were honest in your own heart, you know is true.

Torbo with all due respect to you, I'm not touching your alien comment at all.
The examples you speak about are classic cases of peer pressure taking over as a result of one "leader" kid who is the bully. If you look into it more, you'll see that bullies are insecure cowards who only fight under conditions they know they are able to win. The "evil" is actually self-hatred and insecurities directed outward to an innocent victim. You must also realize the prejudice against the victim is also based in ignorance and fear and insecurities. Kids are "taught" to hate other races or cultures, it is not an innate "evil" propensity.

As for aliens, I only used it as an example to point out that "evil" would not be solely an attribute given to humans! :)
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Far Rider wrote: Well, my question still stands, what happens to a child that is left to themselves to determine right and wrong? Do they do predominatly do right or wrong?

Every single kid left to themselves will progressivley become more self centered and greedy until they take what the want to gratify themselves despite how it affects others. So I maintain that the heart of a human is born with a propensity towards evil not towards good.

The kids that I tangled with were evil to the degree that they would not allow an honest mistake to occur without leaving the offender in a violent heap of blood and broken bones... these kids were far more than insecure about themsleves, they had decided in thier own hearts that no one in any fashion could even step in front of them.

Although the reasons for the hatered are learned as in my example of racism, the propensity to be evil must be present in order for it to take root and then acted on. I don't think you can teach me to hate someone like that, because I have learned that its wrong to do so. There was a time when I felt negative towards others for no reason, but the commom descency my father taught me overcame my desire to hate without a reason.

I'm not trying to argue here, I find this a very interesting discussion. What do you think about the concept of an age of reckoning? My father used to say To whom much is given, much is expected. He held me accountable for my actions when I learned a concept that was life growing.


No, the child who takes for himself shows greed, or selfishness, not evil. For evil actions to exist, means those actions are taken with awareness that others are hurt, and NO REMORSE is felt or shown, but is actually suppressed. Empathy towards others is the genuine instinct, not a desire or instinct to hurt others purposely for "pleasure" or "happiness".

Selfish actions by a child are pointed out as wrong by the parent, through showing how others are hurt by those actions. If no adult is around to point out these problems, the child will need his or her own maturation to understand the implications of those actions, and WILL feel bad or empathize with those he has hurt. These feelings are then either shown and felt, or denied and suppressed.

An "evil" person suppresses the empathy that naturally occurs. It is a "negative" toward the soul, so to speak. Inner conflicts are created from suppressing "evil" done toward others. The individual can never be at peace with oneself until the inner turmoil can be resolved through expressing the NATURAL grief or sorrow that has been suppressed.

The human species is innately GOOD. The inner conflicts created through "evil" actions are a testimony to this, as an abberration not natural to the person.
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Far Rider wrote: I see the fundamental difference between us in your explaination.

If we were born good then those things like selfishness and greed would not be present at all. But we know they exist. I am sure both of us have felt both greed and selfishness in our lives.

So then we must be born neutral, having both good and bad in equal amounts, or some how it is balanced. So if we learn good we become good and if we learn evil, then evil.

But that's not what I see happening in reality. A child left to himself becomes more self centered and greedy to the poiint where he affects others negatively to get what he wants, and that is the propensity towards evil.

Why is it easy to stop a good habit but so difficult to stop a bad habit?
I think we see evil differently. To me, evil is much stronger than a kid eating all the cookies from the cookie jar. That is bad behavior, but it doesn't make the kid "evil", or what he did "evil". It's selfish behavior - it's not little Bubba Jr., the demonic tot!!

Bad behavior is something you see as a natural propensity to be "evil". It's not, however - it's just bad behavior. There is a huge difference between a behavior and an instinct. Habits are not "evil", in and of themselves, either. As you say yourself, there are good and bad habits, not "evil" habits.

There is, during development, a trait towards selfish behavior. That is not an instinctive display of the "evil" within us. It is much like when you spoil a child. The child then tends to expect things to be always given to him. Again, it is a behavioral problem, not "evil" instincts rearing their ugly head.

By stating it is a natural instinct to be "evil", you imply that a person who, if he should go through life without harming a fly, is suppressing his innate desire to act out his "evil" instincts within, like throw a cat into the lake, or shoot somebody in the head.

Don't know about you, but I don't hear voices in my head telling me to run a dog over with my car. Nor do I have an insatiable craving to steal my brother's TV set!!

Are you suggesting you personally have "evil" within you - and the only reason you aren't dead or in jail is because you're suppressing your constant urges to blow up your local post office??
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bad behavior and evil are NOT the same thing. i see lots of bad behavior, and some true evil.
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lady cop wrote: bad behavior and evil are NOT the same thing. i see lots of bad behavior, and some true evil.
Agreed, they are definitely NOT the same thing. I consider "evil" to be those who commit atrocities with no show of any remorse, no tears, no empathy for their victims. Their natural emotions, sense of empathy, are automatically suppressed within themselves. Soldiers become "battle-hardened" to the point of killing without emotion. But those emotions are still held within oneself. I do NOT believe we are all evil, as that would imply all of us are capable of these actions and the subsequent callous, non-feeling reaction, as water off a duck's back, and that no emotional trauma is being held within. I don't believe that is true.

It's strange, but a lot of these monsters have been said, for an example, that they will kill their parents without a tear shed, but cry uncontrollably if their pet dog gets run over! Grossly warped displays of natural emotions. A Vietnam vet may break down over nothing but a smell that brings him back to the war. The emotions taken in do not leave - they have to be released or internal conflict occurs.
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Far Rider wrote: I concede. I think I'm talking about degrees of evil. What you're discribing is the pure evil.

What I was saying in the beginning is about our propensity to become progressively evil based on the fact that humans by nature are born selfish and left to ourselves will contiinue to move towards evil, unless a learned behavior overcomes it we continue on that road to becomeing evil. (my observations in life)

And on a side note, when talking to my Dad last night about this, his version is "hell, fire, and brimstone" and "the heart is desperatley wicked" and "the rod of correction shall drive it from him"..... hehehehe Im sure I picked up on many of my religious upbringings in my definitions based on the fact that my Dad preached good behavior from this standpoint.

hahahaha I'm sure I'm still going to hell one day!

But thanks all for the lively discussion and Sorry for thread stealing.


Cheers to you, as well, Far Rider. You make very good points. Yes, it's more the semantics than anything else, I believe. To me, "evil" really means "pure evil", the serial killer type evil, no remorse, etc. I have a hard time with describing a kid stealing a candy bar as "evil", or that it was an "evil" thing to do. It goes towards "bad behavior", as LC had put it, as well.

Don't apologize for all the threads, that's the whole idea here at FG, I do believe..
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What it boils down to is that 'evil', like truth, is a relative term. Take it however you want, but 'evil' spelled backwards is....
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Evil looks like Freddie Cruger - or the guy from Halloween or the Excorcist - any of those really scary people. I can't watch that kind of movie. I have nightmares. Evil is an unknown entity that is a true psycopath from hell who keeps coming back from the dead. Can't watch it - EVER - don't like to be scared. I am a true pansy, give me a blanket to hide under and I WILL be happy.
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Hello there NV! - I saw EVIL today at WalMart...This chic had 4 kids...2 in the cart - and the little ones were about 3 (boy) & 1 maybe 2 (girl) - She wasn't paying attention and the cart tipped.I ran over and grabbed the cart - and the little boy started to scream.the baby on the other hand was like"whoo hooooo what a ride" = This mom grabbed that little boy and said- "I am going to beat you when I get u to the van" - the Walmart lady said- Oh honey are you ok...he didn't mean to tip it-- I was standing there wanting to say - U dumb a$$ - pay attention....anyway - my friend Ray saw her taking him out - still screaming, that he hurt his head...she is carrying the baby and telling him - she hopes he broke his neck, and that he is going to be sorry....as the older 2 followed, heads down to the van.....I sure hope they had their parking lot cameras on - cuz my 12 year old followed them around the car, hoping she wouldn't hurt that little boy.....What a physco nut....PURE EVIL :mad: .......that woman needs her "momma License" taken away! My kids have tipped a cart years ago.....but lets see- so u let them BOTH stand in there shaking and jumping - or are you the parent, and say SIT DOWN.......DUH! :thinking:

Sorry to be off subject---but today - that is EVIL..... :mad:


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Evil, uhm... Mussolini, PolPot, KimJong IL, Stalin, Kruschev, Hitler, David Duke, David Berkowitz...

Lex Luthor, the Joker, etc :wah:


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Wolverine wrote: Evil, uhm... Mussolini, PolPot, KimJong IL, Stalin, Kruschev, Hitler, David Duke, David Berkowitz...

Lex Luthor, the Joker, etc :wah:


Er..Curtis LeMay, Robert McNamara, 'Tricky Dick' Nixon, J. Edgar Hoover.

Kruschev? According to the popular history, he spared the world from nuclear holocaust, however indirectly.
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he did?? oh. I thought he backed down because of Kennedy's formidable stable of hotties. Kruschev was probably thinking, "man, if he can get trim like THAT who am I to argue with him?" :wah:

Besides, the thread is what does evil look like. He looks pretty evil to me. Especially in that speech where he took off his shoe and started banging it on the podium.


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Kruschev, hmmm. But Brezhnev - Man, talk about demonic! Maybe it was all in the eyebrow!! :wah:
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Wolverine wrote: he did?? oh. I thought he backed down because of Kennedy's formidable stable of hotties. Kruschev was probably thinking, "man, if he can get trim like THAT who am I to argue with him?" :wah:

Besides, the thread is what does evil look like. He looks pretty evil to me. Especially in that speech where he took off his shoe and started banging it on the podium.


Thats my point, he did back down. An 'evil' man would have pushed the 'history erase' button, correct?

Yes, the shoe stomping is pretty amusing, if not a bit theatric. I think that was the point though. :yh_laugh
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Freddy Kruger or the guy from Halloween.
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BuckTurgidson wrote: The US government didnt seem to care if OBL was 'evil' or not in the 1980's. Hmmmm Wonder why he (OBL) was not cared about too much back then? Please teach us all Bucko, how he was backed by the wicked ol US of A......... in the 80's...........

Oh and Please do teach us all who he was fighting against too while you are at it Buck..............K?
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mominiowa wrote: Hello there NV! - I saw EVIL today at WalMart...This chic had 4 kids...2 in the cart - and the little ones were about 3 (boy) & 1 maybe 2 (girl) - She wasn't paying attention and the cart tipped.I ran over and grabbed the cart - and the little boy started to scream.the baby on the other hand was like"whoo hooooo what a ride" = This mom grabbed that little boy and said- "I am going to beat you when I get u to the van" - the Walmart lady said- Oh honey are you ok...he didn't mean to tip it-- I was standing there wanting to say - U dumb a$$ - pay attention....anyway - my friend Ray saw her taking him out - still screaming, that he hurt his head...she is carrying the baby and telling him - she hopes he broke his neck, and that he is going to be sorry....as the older 2 followed, heads down to the van.....I sure hope they had their parking lot cameras on - cuz my 12 year old followed them around the car, hoping she wouldn't hurt that little boy.....What a physco nut....PURE EVIL :mad: .......that woman needs her "momma License" taken away! My kids have tipped a cart years ago.....but lets see- so u let them BOTH stand in there shaking and jumping - or are you the parent, and say SIT DOWN.......DUH! :thinking:

Sorry to be off subject---but today - that is EVIL..... :mad:


Parents like that need to be reported - and fast. They are people who "lose their children in 30 seconds". Or maybe they just beat them when they get home.
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BuckTurgidson wrote: 'Tricky Dick' Nixon, J. Edgar Hoover.



Kruschev? According to the popular history, he spared the world from nuclear holocaust, however indirectly. So BT, Nixon getting us out of a democrat led war is EVIL????

Please teach us all why u think ol J. Edgar Hoover was evil. (with real facts)



And Kruschev..........Still laughing about that one........sorry... no comment
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BTS wrote: Hmmmm Wonder why he (OBL) was not cared about too much back then? Please teach us all Bucko, how he was backed by the wicked ol US of A......... in the 80's...........

Oh and Please do teach us all who he was fighting against too while you are at it Buck..............K?


I can tell by your subtiley facetious tone that you have taken umbridge with something?
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BTS wrote: So RM Nixon getting us out of a democrar led war is EVIL????

Please teach us all why u think ol J. Edgar Hoover was evil. (with real facts)
i could go along with old J. Edgar as being evil. he was a loathesome fellow. he essentially blackmailed much of the government by using his detectives to find dirt on elected officials, then making it clear to them he knew about it. stayed in power a lot longer than he woudl have otherwise.



tricky dick was pretty loathesome too. he tried hard to repair his reputation after his presidency, the elder statesman role, but his knowledge and backing of the watergate breakin was an impeachable offense, and for that alone he deserves to be remembered by history as an accessory to crooks.
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anastrophe wrote: i could go along with old J. Edgar as being evil. he was a loathesome fellow. he essentially blackmailed much of the government by using his detectives to find dirt on elected officials, then making it clear to them he knew about it. he managed to tape MLK having sex with females he was not married to, and he also, according to DC gossip at the time, looked quite fetching in an evening gown and slingbacks. :D
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BTS wrote: So BT, Nixon getting us out of a democrat led war is EVIL????

Please teach us all why u think ol J. Edgar Hoover was evil. (with real facts)



And Kruschev..........Still laughing about that one........sorry... no comment


Oh boy...what do you mean by 'real facts', as opposed to 'fake facts'? Okay fine, Hoover was an angel. Card carrying GOPer I take it? I suppose you have a picture of Reagan on the wall somewhere, right?
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Evil as Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Evil is not a physical trait.

IMO



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Lectronicman wrote: Evil as Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Evil is not a physical trait.

IMO



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Exactly. I attempted to make that point earlier in this thread. 'Evil' is in the function, not the form.
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Lady Cop, ya got it goin' on! My very first thought was, eyes have it. They do look dead, what's left of the soul is totally hidden there. Scary. Not that I have any experience, but take a look at any mug shot or video of a real killer. Yikes...
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Nuthrday wrote: Lady Cop, ya got it goin' on! My very first thought was, eyes have it. They do look dead, what's left of the soul is totally hidden there. Scary. Not that I have any experience, but take a look at any mug shot or video of a real killer. Yikes...


Take a look at ANY mugshot.......You'll think everyone is an axe murderer! LOL

People say I have Manson's eyes and I feel bad when I step on a bug!
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Jiperly wrote: I, like, totally lost control of this thread.


You might have expected that. I would guess any subject that includes the topic of 'evil' would tend to go off on various tangents. Anyway, to address your original point about what 'evil' looks like (bearded, blonde or black hair, etc.), isnt assuming ones 'behavior' or 'moral code' based on appearence called something? Hmm. I think it starts with a 'p' or...wait, I know...Prejudicial.
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DQ Sundaes - if they aren't evil, nothing is!! :wah:

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Mmmmmm....ambrosia!!!!
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I stand corrected on my description of the face of evil. Evil as walking mankind, I still say it shows through the eyes. The windows to the soul! (if ya got a working one) As far as what evil incarnate would look like? Eh! Whatever...it's an individual thing. Sundaes, your mother-in-law, you pick!
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Lectronicman wrote: Take a look at ANY mugshot.......You'll think everyone is an axe murderer! LOL

People say I have Manson's eyes and I feel bad when I step on a bug!


anyone who didn't know who Nick Nolte is would think that he is some sort of fiend if they saw his LAPD mugshot.


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Gawd, Wolverine, you are SO right! But you know, he could be just a little off kilter, ya think? Not killer of course, but David Crosby had that look too, before he cleaned up. Slightly demented and not trustworthy, a type of evil, if you will!
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Nolte isn't off kilter, he's a drunk. now you wanna talk about someone that is OFF...

Gary Busey. He is friggin nuts.


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Yes, the instant I posted that thing about Nick Nolte, I thot of Busey!! ha! And also Robert Blake, whom I've always liked...OMG, isn't this a thread drift??
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Nah, his wife says he's nuts too! But yes, after his accident he quit drinking and drugging and now when he rants and raves at least it makes sense!
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Nuthrday wrote: Nah, his wife says he's nuts too! But yes, after his accident he quit drinking and drugging and now when he rants and raves at least it makes sense!
Makes sense???? listen to him talk about his "lower companion" on how he stays sober and gets into character for mivies and stuff. W-e-i-r-d


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eh... we're only a little off the thread. not too far gone.


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Wolverine, I guess I've missed his last few interviews! Ha...But, still, I don't believe he's evil, just a had a knock in the head that didn't help a thing !
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