Whats Happening To England??

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:33 pm

Do you think England is turning into a dictatorship. I mean if you feed the pigeons now in London you can go to prison and cause my car went slightly over a line IN A CARPARK I got fined £30, my goodness what is this country coming to!!!!:-3

LondonFan of MJ! · Post by **LondonFan of MJ!** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:37 pm

Carolly;561393 wrote: Do you think England is turning into a dictatorship. I mean if you feed the pigeons now in London you can go to prison and cause my car went slightly over a line IN A CARPARK I got fined £30, my goodness what is this country coming to!!!!:-3

I hear ya!

It's pathetic isn't it.

And now they have just extended the London Congestion Zone!!

Seems we have to pay for everything these days.

It's all about money.

But where does this money go?? hmmm....

hoxtonchris · Post by **hoxtonchris** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:37 pm

its going to the dogs,frightned to speak,for fear of offending some minority group,theres jobs for ,the paraplegics,blind,black lesbian yak herders but if you are tall dark and handsome you got no chance mate!!

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:40 pm

LondonFan of MJ!;561404 wrote: I hear ya!

It's pathetic isn't it.

And now they have just extended the London Congestion Zone!!

Seems we have to pay for everything these days.

It's all about money.

But where does this money go?? hmmm....Good point!!!!! Not to the likes of us thats for sure! It was better growing up in the 50s than it is now with free milk an orange juice but there again there wasnt so many pen pushers to pay!!!!!;)

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:42 pm

hoxtonchris;561406 wrote: its going to the dogs,frightned to speak,for fear of offending some minority group,theres jobs for ,the paraplegics,blind,black lesbian yak herders but if you are tall dark and handsome you got no chance mate!!
Wish I knew somebody tall, dark and handsome!!!!!!:-6

LondonFan of MJ! · Post by **LondonFan of MJ!** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:42 pm

Carolly;561411 wrote: Good point!!!!! Not to the likes of us thats for sure! It was better growing up in the 50s than it is now with free milk an orange juice but there again there wasnt so many pen pushers to pay!!!!!;)

OMG I was saying just the same thing in another forum!

Yes I wish I was bought up back then. England was a much better place IMO.

I am fed up with being told we can not do and say certain things.

Like hang up our England flag for example.:rolleyes:

And where do our taxes go??

Ok *shuts up*

hoxtonchris · Post by **hoxtonchris** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:47 pm

yep london fan the 50s weere ok,true we didnt have much but it was magical,and we wernt afraid to offend cos folk didnt take offence then,,jamaicans loved our gollywogs,and chinese folk were in awe of all things english,but now we seem to be the despised minority

crazygal · Post by **crazygal** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:47 pm

It isn't English anymore, that's the problem, damn government. Our country has been taken over.

LondonFan of MJ! · Post by **LondonFan of MJ!** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:51 pm

hoxtonchris;561429 wrote: yep london fan the 50s weere ok,true we didnt have much but it was magical,and we wernt afraid to offend cos folk didnt take offence then,,jamaicans loved our gollywogs,and chinese folk were in awe of all things english,but now we seem to be the despised minority

I know.. its so sad. Yet it makes so very angry!!

Rosette · Post by **Rosette** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:55 pm

Yes but.....pregnant women can pee in a policeman's hat if she is desperate!!!! only in England!!!!!

LondonFan of MJ! · Post by **LondonFan of MJ!** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:57 pm

Rosette;561456 wrote: Yes but.....pregnant women can pee in a policeman's hat if she is desperate!!!! only in England!!!!!

hahahaha true!!

Hello by the way!!:)

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:59 pm

LondonFan of MJ!;561418 wrote: OMG I was saying just the same thing in another forum!

Yes I wish I was bought up back then. England was a much better place IMO.

I am fed up with being told we can not do and say certain things.

Like hang up our England flag for example.:rolleyes:

And where do our taxes go??

Ok *shuts up*Oh God so so true!!!!!!!!!

crazygal · Post by **crazygal** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:00 pm

I'm gonna test that theory tomorrow! lmfao

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:02 pm

crazygal;561431 wrote: It isn't English anymore, that's the problem, damn government. Our country has been taken over.
Tell me about it and they all lie!!! They say things to get in power then when they do that it all changes and suddenly your losing out all ways!!!!!

Rosette · Post by **Rosette** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:02 pm

*big waves* Nat!

Just make sure you ask a policeman with the bowl type hat lol otherwise could be messy

crazygal · Post by **crazygal** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:04 pm

Rosette;561484 wrote: *big waves* Nat!

Just make sure you ask a policeman with the bowl type hat lol otherwise could be messy

Hmm good idea. I have them coming over and some point tomorrow about the stolen bikes.

Apparently a pregnant woman can also ask someone for a pint of milk and they have to give it to them, how stupid is that if it's true!

hoxtonchris · Post by **hoxtonchris** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:16 pm

the pregnant woman asking for milk was obviously in harder times,loads of these wacky laws still exist the only reason they are not revoked is for tying up valuable time debating it.did you know as an englishman ime supposed to by law practice the longbow for 1 hour each day?...i love it lets leavre these laws alone,bye the way police officers refer to their "bowl"type helmets as,,,,"tits"!

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:05 am

Things WORLDWIDE were different in the 1950s. Some was good and some was bad....the same as ANY era.

Of course we remember it as a 'fun time' ....we were kids back then.

BUT .....Not many people owned their own homes, very few women went to work, no washing machines unless you were rich, no central heating. Corporal punishment ! There were still rival gangs - even in the boring old South.

Those who did have mortgages would have been paying well over 11% interest rate, the rest might have lived in poor housing owned by unscrupulous landlords or the local council.

As for foreigners....the UK has always been a country (or group of) that has welcomed people from foreign countries....ever since adventurous people found the need to travel. One group or another has always been out of favour.....no change here except most wanted to live in peaceful co-existence not 'rule' the land.

Taxes.....well I must admit that I am sometimes baffled about where the money goes particularly since I am semi-retired and find my pension, savings and meagre wage all taxed.....however these are some of the areas I DO know about. NHS (free healthcare), Schools (free education), Forces (for the countries security), Policeforce....need to check on other things.

I have never had a problem putting up my St Georges flag or my Union Jack. After 9/11 I flew the American flag for a month.

I have never had a problem with the 'law of the land' and have been fined twice for speeding ~ 'twas a fair cop.

I DO have a problem with corruption within democratically elected goverment and with the obvious lies of some politicians....I've never heard ONE of them answer a straight question with a straight answer.....mind you I haven't got much faith in estate agents, solicitors etc at the moment.....over paid and under performing ...sorry to rant about this.

All in all, if you look round the world you can see countries far worse off IMO...I love my country....'warts and all'

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:13 am

Bez;562932 wrote: Things WORLDWIDE were different in the 1950s. [snip].

Those who did have mortgages would have been paying well over 11% interest rate,

I wonder why. The standard variable rate in the 1950s averaged 4.99%. There

were only 6 rate changes in those 10 years.

Bez;562932 wrote:

As for foreigners....the UK has always been a country (or group of) that has welcomed people from foreign countries....

Humph. While this has been true, in the main, during 2005 over 750,000 migrants came to Britain (source: Capital Economics). Net migration has been estimated as

400,000 (same source).

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:21 am

hoxtonchris;562595 wrote: the pregnant woman asking for milk was obviously in harder times,loads of these wacky laws still exist the only reason they are not revoked is for tying up valuable time debating it.did you know as an englishman ime supposed to by law practice the longbow for 1 hour each day?...i love it lets leavre these laws alone,bye the way police officers refer to their "bowl"type helmets as,,,,"tits"!

They are not the only ones, I quite often refer to them as that

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:27 am

Bill Sikes;563029 wrote: I wonder why. The standard variable rate in the 1950s averaged 4.99%. There

were only 6 rate changes in those 10 years.

Humph. While this has been true, in the main, during 2005 over 750,000 migrants came to Britain (source: Capital Economics). Net migration has been estimated as

400,000 (same source).

Guess I should have checked my info but I was just posting from my memories....probably not very reliable 50+ years on.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:40 am

Bez;562932 wrote: Things WORLDWIDE were different in the 1950s. Some was good and some was bad....the same as ANY era.

Of course we remember it as a 'fun time' ....we were kids back then.

BUT .....Not many people owned their own homes, very few women went to work, no washing machines unless you were rich, no central heating. Corporal punishment ! There were still rival gangs - even in the boring old South.

Those who did have mortgages would have been paying well over 11% interest rate, the rest might have lived in poor housing owned by unscrupulous landlords or the local council.

As for foreigners....the UK has always been a country (or group of) that has welcomed people from foreign countries....ever since adventurous people found the need to travel. One group or another has always been out of favour.....no change here except most wanted to live in peaceful co-existence not 'rule' the land.

Taxes.....well I must admit that I am sometimes baffled about where the money goes particularly since I am semi-retired and find my pension, savings and meagre wage all taxed.....however these are some of the areas I DO know about. NHS (free healthcare), Schools (free education), Forces (for the countries security), Policeforce....need to check on other things.

I have never had a problem putting up my St Georges flag or my Union Jack. After 9/11 I flew the American flag for a month.

I have never had a problem with the 'law of the land' and have been fined twice for speeding ~ 'twas a fair cop.

I DO have a problem with corruption within democratically elected goverment and with the obvious lies of some politicians....I've never heard ONE of them answer a straight question with a straight answer.....mind you I haven't got much faith in estate agents, solicitors etc at the moment.....over paid and under performing ...sorry to rant about this.

All in all, if you look round the world you can see countries far worse off IMO...I love my country....'warts and all' B ez some great comments there....thankyou for your time.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:09 am

Diuretic;564362 wrote: 1950s

Now

My God........how true looking at those pictures........

LondonFan of MJ! · Post by **LondonFan of MJ!** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:59 am

Carolly;564423 wrote: My God........how true looking at those pictures........

Scary isn' it!:-3

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:27 pm

LondonFan of MJ!;564782 wrote: Scary isn' it!:-3
Thats an understatment LondonFan!!!!!!!

LondonFan of MJ! · Post by **LondonFan of MJ!** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:35 pm

Carolly;565009 wrote: Thats an understatment LondonFan!!!!!!!

I know!!:-3

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:01 pm

LondonFan of MJ!;565025 wrote: I know!!:-3 Awful thing is that one day this will be the good old days!!!:-3

crazygal · Post by **crazygal** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:28 pm

Get rid of crappy Blair and we may have chance to change it back a bit.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:41 pm

crazygal;565092 wrote: Get rid of crappy Blair and we may have chance to change it back a bit.
Cant argue with that Crazy!!!!!

saffy · Post by **saffy** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:25 pm

crazygal;565092 wrote: Get rid of crappy Blair and we may have chance to change it back a bit.

I would love to know how things may have been different if John Smith hadn't died.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:41 pm

saffy;565195 wrote: I would love to know how things may have been different if John Smith hadn't died.

Something we will never know saffy but I agree I bet alot of differences.

Ricky-Balboa · Post by **Ricky-Balboa** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:05 pm

England is turning into more and more of a shithole everyday.

I can't picture myself living in this country for too many more years.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:14 am

Ricky-Balboa;566249 wrote: England is turning into more and more of a shithole everyday.

I can't picture myself living in this country for too many more years. Ye and for that we have to pay out more and more in taxes most of it goes to them idiots that give us such a great life here.

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:14 am

Ricky-Balboa;566249 wrote: England is turning into more and more of a shithole everyday.

I can't picture myself living in this country for too many more years.

So what's the problem ??

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:18 pm

I love my country and i'm proud to be British.

Just thought i'd say it.

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:42 pm

abbey;567729 wrote: I love my country and i'm proud to be British.

Just thought i'd say it.

Me too Abbey.....I get a little tired of people being so critical without putting forward their ideas to improve things.

I shall be watching with interest to see peoples opinions when TB is replaced. ......or when the Labour party gets voted out.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:35 pm

Bez;567742 wrote: Me too Abbey.....I get a little tired of people being so critical without putting forward their ideas to improve things.

I shall be watching with interest to see peoples opinions when TB is replaced. ......or when the Labour party gets voted out. As Ive said before there all as bad as each other. All I know is things are getting harder and harder and Im paying out loads more in taxes but seem to be getting less and less every year and as a motorist that has to drive living in the country its getting a joke.to go into LondonIt works out £40 for 5 days just for the great joy to go into the city, yes £8 a day plus your normal expensives. ive even just been done for £30 for going over a line slightly IN A CAR PARK! Thing is i had to as other car had an I couldnt get in and they just do not want to know.Sorry but this is not the England I knew growing up.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:37 am

Carolly;568099 wrote: As Ive said before there all as bad as each other. All I know is things are getting harder and harder and Im paying out loads more in taxes but seem to be getting less and less every year and as a motorist that has to drive living in the country its getting a joke.to go into LondonIt works out £40 for 5 days just for the great joy to go into the city, yes £8 a day plus your normal expensives. ive even just been done for £30 for going over a line slightly IN A CAR PARK! Thing is i had to as other car had an I couldnt get in and they just do not want to know.Sorry but this is not the England I knew growing up.
So how would you improve things?

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:26 am

Carolly;568099 wrote: As Ive said before there all as bad as each other. All I know is things are getting harder and harder and Im paying out loads more in taxes but seem to be getting less and less every year and as a motorist that has to drive living in the country its getting a joke.to go into LondonIt works out £40 for 5 days just for the great joy to go into the city, yes £8 a day plus your normal expensives. ive even just been done for £30 for going over a line slightly IN A CAR PARK! Thing is i had to as other car had an I couldnt get in and they just do not want to know.Sorry but this is not the England I knew growing up.

We would all be in a sorry state if we still lived as we did in the '50s.

We probably wouldn't have a car to worry about parking, no gas boiler to break down ~ oh the joys of coal and coke ~ you would probably be ill with some chest complaint due to the smog.....

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:16 am

Diuretic;568266 wrote: http://www.uea.ac.uk/env/cserge/pub/wp/ ... 994_20.htm

I just looked that up because I remember, as a kid, the Clean Air Act coming into place in the UK. I have to admit to not being much of an environmentalist at the age of 6 but I remember the difference between burning coal and that of coke. I also remember the coalman, what a job that must have been. Funny though, the coalman was unfailingly cheerful, covered in coal dust, but cheerful. I wonder how his lungs were though.

It's really interesting to read the different views here. Interesting for me because I spent the first 15 years of my life living in London. But are we looking - as Bez indicates - at history through rose-tinted glasses. The memory of the emigre is notoriously suspect but I do remember the crappier bits of the UK in the 1950s. The Tories for a start. I remember when Wilson's Labour Party was elected and the mood of the country changed, well it changed before the election of course or Wilson wouldn't have made it. I was born under a Labour government and left the country under a Labour government but in the meantime those bloody Tories were governing. The last gasps of Empire, but the bloody ruling class managed to hang on.

Thanks Di.....the world has changed....we have to do the best with what we've got.

I agree about the tories....I have always had a better standard of living under Labour goverments.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:21 am

Bez;568253 wrote:

We would all be in a sorry state if we still lived as we did in the '50s.

We probably wouldn't have a car to worry about parking, no gas boiler to break down ~ oh the joys of coal and coke ~ you would probably be ill with some chest complaint due to the smog.....Oh how wrong you are. It was a joy for me to grow up then and only a shame the kids today dont know the freedom I had without the fear of being hurt, the milk an orange juice I had at school, going to the doctors witha sore throat and being in hospital having my tonsils out a little while after and yes the old ford car I remember that lol

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:17 am

Carolly;569325 wrote: Oh how wrong you are. It was a joy for me to grow up then and only a shame the kids today dont know the freedom I had without the fear of being hurt, the milk an orange juice I had at school, going to the doctors witha sore throat and being in hospital having my tonsils out a little while after and yes the old ford car I remember that lol

I grew up in the 50s too and yes I also have happy memories of my childhood....but things have changed and we have to deal with it.

WE were the generation that wanted everything materialsitic as teenagers and young adults.....we wanted equality.....we were complicit in the age of 'free sex' without the responsibilities...if you care to analyse it (and I'm sure someone will) I guess our generation are responsible for the way the way the world is now.

Would you really want to give up Central heating, Washing machines, microwaves, supermarkets, womens equality, holidays abroad, etc. It's easy to be nostalgic and see things through 'rose coloured glasses.....

The school milk was warm and often sour, many children had unnecessary tonils out or were very ill after, infant mortality was higher .....sorry...it's nice to reminisce......but it was still a hard world.

what I DO miss from 'the old days' is the respect people had for each other, the feeling that we were safer, the discipline...