Stepping Up To The Line

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:37 pm

I'm always late to these discussions, aren't I?

Post by **spot** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:41 pm

Accountable wrote: I'm always late to these discussions, aren't I? :(but just like Death with his scythe and hood, you get there at the dramatic juncture. Go on then, lay waste and devastate us.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:44 pm

Um, ........ swish.

Post by **spot** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:53 pm

Ah, the economy, the elegance... six thousand nine hundred and eighty six years[1] of day-in day-out practice went into that. It's a joy to see a professional at work.

[1] According to James Ussher, Anglican Archbishop of Armagh and Primate of All Ireland. Other chronologies of the book of Genesis may vary.

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:42 pm

Cher, you, Floppy, Pinky and I did stand up quite definitely to be counted in this. With Val and Clancy and Snooze and Nomad. I am very glad to see at least Val and Clancy posting again. I'll wait in hope to see Nomad and Snooze again soon. I guess we all support our family in our own individual ways - and some of us maybe do it a bit too enthusiastically at times. But at least our hearts are in the right place and what you see is what you get.

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:10 pm

Then, dear friends, let us learn what we can from this....hug one another, rejoice in our friendship and move on!

weber · Post by **weber** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:11 pm

flopstock wrote: I think that when things begin to heat up, the thought is that if we don't pile on... it could just settle down.

Or worse, we try and be reasonable with the folks involved and I know that I don't want reason at the moment of impact... I want something solid behind me, supporting me.

But, I did learn something about the 'art' of trolling from all of this. And I probably would not have learned it if I'd been paying attention from the beginning and gotten caught up in it from the gitgo.

However, that is another thread entirely...

Hey Floppy

Snooze was in here earlier. I think she started a thread and I think it was titled Snooze, no Brief Sales. I saw it and several people greeted her. Cross me 'eart.

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:06 am

I haven't seen Snooze, but that's good news Weber!! Yes, Floppy - I learned a few things too, not just about trolls. I learned that I very much prefer the honest guy wielding a bludgeon to the smiling poisoner. Though of course the latter isn't ever going to be tossed into any sin bin. Grin.

This is off subject - but I hadta tell you Guys. I was walking by the ocean yesterday and I stumbled over a beached sea snake. It was so beautiful - yellow underbelly, shining teal back and brown and white striped end of its tail. Still alive too. I managed to get it back in the water. Hope it doesn't bite anyone any time soon. Gotta google the description to see what it was. Watch this space!!!

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:24 am

I'm just happy to see my dear friend Clancy posting here. :-6

If and when you are ready, Clance, I'll truly be thrilled and honored to have you back among us.

Love ya :-4

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:15 pm

Ah Snooze, it's so good to see you. I'm still royally p'd off about everything that happened, including several of my dearest friends being hounded out of here. I feel guilty as heck too, over sending the French stuff - and sent myself off to the sin bin as well, in solidarity. I've said it before - but hey, I feel mostly invisible... gimme the honest person who says what they think even if at times it's calling a spade a bloody shovel, rather than some of the more subtle but usually much nastier alternatives. I hope all the dust settles and we can go back to seeing some of the old familiar and much missed faces in here again regularly, as well as the good friends who have hung in here somehow. Sure we've acquired loads of new people, and sure many of these are really nice and I look forward to getting to know them better - but it's come at a heavy price if we've lost all the old ForumGarden flavour.

And it was a yellow bellied sea snake. Beautiful but deadly. Sigh.

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:11 pm

AussiePam...you were brave to handle that snake! I'd've been extremely cautious, myself. You all have more than your fair share of venomous snakes, don't you?

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:34 pm

[QUOTE=SnoozeControl]

I still fail to see how removing a letter from a poster's name and inferring they smell like sulfur is a punishable offense. And posting someone's PMs which I've heard is against the TOS, is not.

As Clancy has eloquently said many, MANY times, it's interesting watching people pile on those threads, almost joyously joining in while claiming they just want peace and harmony in the garden. QUOTE]

:yh_flower :yh_worshp VERY well said. My sentiments exactly only you said it all nicer than I would.:wah:

Snickz · Post by **Snickz** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:49 pm

I've been a member at several forums where the inevitable 'meltdown' has occured...

People come and people go and whilst I can see it has left a bad taste in some of your mouths it's time to refresh and regroup and enjoy what you have instead being concerned with what has been...

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:01 am

flopstock wrote: Oh hell, we meltdown about every 6 weeks. We kinda get bored if it's been too long, 'cause then you know 'it' is about to happen, but not when.:wah:

And we do enjoy what we have. We just plan to keep enjoying it with our friends.

Since I joined the meltdowns have generaly had a common cause.

Now that that cause is no longer present, maybe, just maybe, we can settle down?

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:14 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: Once again, beautifully said, Clancy. :yh_hugs

He's one HELL of a fine man, isn't he Snoozie?

:-4 :-4 :-4

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:26 pm

CLANCY! Not only an articulate expression of what occurred here, but an articulate expression of friendship.

I know CRAP when I step in it, too! And I can recognize an attack by trolls, just as easily. Please remember that their intention was to cause trouble. And, sorry to say, we all LET THEM DO IT!

It's obvious that some members aren't going to agree or (heaven forbid) admit that they might've been less supportive of FG than they might've. And obvious, too, that some of us don't care to DEAL with troll attacks when they happen. Some folks just don't deal well with conflict, and trolls depend on that!

Others will face confrontation "up front" and risk being considered "negative." It's a fine line, so to speak, between the two.

Let's please mend our fences and agree to face the (inevitable) invasions differently next time. We know they're out there....let's plan ahead.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:27 pm

:-4 Clancy, only you know to put it into words just the right way.

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:33 pm

Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Clancy!!!! Val, Snoozie, Floppy. I love you Guys!!! :yh_flower :yh_flower :yh_flower :yh_flower

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:33 pm

chonsigirl wrote: :-4 Clancy, only you know to put it into words just the right way.
Amen.:-4

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:51 pm

And Lulu, Peg, MrsK, Chonsi too!!

Stepping up to the line, calling crap when we see it - in Australian speak - "keeping the bastards honest". While there's people like all of you at FG, I'll keep coming back.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:39 pm

Clancy will you marry me..:-4 OH !! damn I forgot your already married.

I want our core group back as well I just feel sad and miss them all. I want NOMAD back this instant he is making me sad..:-1 I miss him..:-4

Snickz · Post by **Snickz** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:54 pm

See this intrigues me - is every newbie considered a troll until they prove themselves otherwise???

You've gained some strong personalities on this forum recently, some very creative, inspiring and wonderful people and they are people I'm proud to call my friends....and I hope to make some new ones here.

I'm from RR (yes) and they told me about this place - it's a refreshing change and I hope to regain some of my creativity which was sucked out of me over there *points* but it taught me one thing - call bullshit, and speak your mind...running with the pack and patting each other on the back because 98% of the population agree with them is not the way to go, and If I speak honestly (which I always do) I see alot of that happening here.

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:56 pm

Perhaps. Or perhaps, as a "newbie" it'd be wise to wait until you really see what's happend here before you judge? just a suggestion....

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:02 pm

CARLA wrote: Clancy will you marry me...

(Clears throat)

Move to the back of the line, sister... back of the line. I

saw him first...

;)

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:04 pm

(EXCUUUUUSE ME! YOU are already married, Lady Val! Must you monopolize?):wah:

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:10 pm

Lulu2 wrote: (EXCUUUUUSE ME! YOU are already married, Lady Val! Must you monopolize?):wah:

:o

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:15 pm

Snickz wrote: See this intrigues me - is every newbie considered a troll until they prove themselves otherwise???

You've gained some strong personalities on this forum recently, some very creative, inspiring and wonderful people and they are people I'm proud to call my friends....and I hope to make some new ones here.

I'm from RR (yes) and they told me about this place - it's a refreshing change and I hope to regain some of my creativity which was sucked out of me over there *points* but it taught me one thing - call bullshit, and speak your mind...running with the pack and patting each other on the back because 98% of the population agree with them is not the way to go, and If I speak honestly (which I always do) I see alot of that happening here.Keep looking; keep digging. You'll find that we disagree agreeably and are genuine friends for the most part. The "98%" you see is the way it tends to go here. We agree vocally; often disagree or stay neutral quietly.

Just don't assume hypocrisy.

Post by **spot** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:18 pm

Clancy wrote: As regards "lick their wounds" what wounds are these exactly, I don't see anyone wearing my scalp, but if you fancy your chances at it, crack on.

.If, old man, "if". "If the Famous Five want to lick their wounds that's entirely up to them". It was a reference to the voluntary self-withdrawal. It seemed a fair description of what happened, in the absence of any explanation at the time.

As for the rest of the post, yes. Not a word there I'd disagree with. You see me as standing up for a friend regardless, I'd describe it more as standing up for someone who had nobody else supporting her. That has its amusing side to it in that I did just the same a while back on the other site and got savaged for it in just the same way. Poor sky, I wonder where she is now?

If I might make an observation on trolls in general - can we perhaps utterly and consciously refuse to use the label on ForumGarden, ever again, regardless of provocation? It's inflammatory, it's never helpful. I've spent most of my time online as a pariah with a "Troll" sign hung round my neck, and it's rarely been warranted. I've likened it to the medieval accusation of "she's a witch!" and that strikes me as a fair description of how it gets used. It's stone-throwing, not argument.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:20 pm

Hey women you have a man.. :wah: :wah:

[QUOTE](Clears throat)

Move to the back of the line, sister... back of the line. I

saw him first...[/QUOTE]

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:39 pm

We be bad!

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:48 pm

SPOT" can we perhaps utterly and consciously refuse to use the label on ForumGarden, ever again, regardless of provocation? It's inflammatory, it's never helpful. I've spent most of my time online as a pariah with a "Troll" sign hung round my neck, and it's rarely been warranted. I've likened it to the medieval accusation of "she's a witch!" and that strikes me as a fair description of how it gets used. It's stone-throwing, not argument."

++++++++++Nope! A troll IS a troll, and unless you'd like to drag out your thesaurus and come up with synonyms...I'll call a troll a troll when/if I see one. It IS helpful, when alerting/identifying the group and the activity.

It's ridiculous to deny what's happening if someone decides to attack a kindly board and cause trouble...let ALONE bringing in argumentative "friends/alter egos" to stir the pot. (No, I'm not trying to bring up more trouble...I'm merely saying that denying the term doesn't help...it is what it is.)

I realize you felt compelled to defend certain people recently.....but they WERE trolls and I won't try to use a euphemism just because you're not comfy with the term.

Sorry.

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:53 pm

Floppy...thanks for confirming my thought about this....I THINK that Spot is asking us to NOT say "s#@t" when we've stepped in it!

And the point of that would be???????

Post by **spot** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:58 pm

flopstock wrote: Explain to us in the peanut gallery how that is a 'fair' description when you acknowledge you hadn't a clue? You might just as well have said 'when they return from mars'. It would have been just as 'fair'.

edit: and less irritatingGood lord, why can nobody recognise a conditional sentence this evening? The "If" at the beginning says that, should it be the case that this voluntary time-out being taken involves any licking of wounds, that's their own affair and not something being imposed on them. That's three times I've had to explain the sentence, and it's no different now to how it was the first time. The "If" is the key to its fairness.