Stepping Up To The Line

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:08 am

flopstock wrote: You folks do realize that our front line defense has been taken out in the last two weeks, don't you?

The very folks who have kept the trolls and whack-jobs at bay for the rest us, are gone. For a while at least.

I have always had fun with the trolls. But, I've been able to have fun and play not so nice, because I know that Snooze and Clancy and Nomad and Val and Arnold have my backside covered. Anyone gets too far out of hand they step up and stand at my shoulder...

And these kids pretty much cover all the angles between them.. gentle reprimand, logic, teasing, sarcasm, verbal smacks... they have always been there when one of us finds someone leaning into our face.

This time was different. This time the good guys didn't come in and save the day. It was the good guys under attack.

I don't have a hard time at all, choosing sides. These are my friends and comrades here in the garden. I like and respect all of them, even when I don't agree with their methods sometimes. If forced to choose, I pick them. Even if not forced to choose, I pick them... every time. And if I have an issue with something they say or do, and I don't think I can let them know my view in a teasing or calm manner, in open forum...I'll PM them.

We don't have moderators, in the traditional sense. What we have are real people, taking care of each other.

I just don't think we kept up our side of that friendship, this time. I think perhaps we let them down far worse then any troll could. I don't have to agree with my friends all the time. But I do need to say, when faced with the choice.. 'I choose you'.

I agree with you...and I really hope they come back, this place isn't the same without them.

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:09 am

Floopy

I stand beside you on this one.

What can we do to get Our Team back? :-6

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:10 am

The trolls aren't gone, Floppy! They're underground, where they're waiting quietly until they've got their next plan together. Egos like those can't tolerate being recognized and sent away. For what it's worth...I've got your back.

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:13 am

By the way Floppy

That was a KICK ASS post :guitarist

You rock!

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:15 am

I'm hopeful that Tombstone's new principles of ZERO TOLERANCE will help stave off future nonsense by troll attacks. They were organized and they thought they had us. You'll notice they pulled back?

zinkyusa · Post by **zinkyusa** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:16 am

Must have missed it..What happened re: the trolls?

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:18 am

I'm actually more concerned with getting our core people back than worrying about the trolls.

Trolls come and go.

But I want the Fabulous Five to return.

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:23 am

Me, too. (But, as someone who recently dealt with a rat infestation in my yard...I know that they're not gone, just because you don't see them anymore! :wah: )

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:24 am

Lulu2 wrote: Me, too. (But, as someone who recently dealt with a rat infestation in my yard...I know that they're not gone, just because you don't see them anymore! :wah: )

I understand, Pammy

And I know your concern is a valid one

I just feel like a woman who's lost her right arm -- I miss our regulars terribly :-1

zinkyusa · Post by **zinkyusa** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:24 am

[QUOTE=Lulu2]Me, too. (But, as someone who recently dealt with a rat infestation in my yard...I know that they're not gone, just because you don't see them anymore! :wah: )

you said rats not bats right Lu?:eek:

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:25 am

[QUOTE=zinkyusayou said rats not bats right Lu?:eek:

Oh Zinkster

You are always welcome in our Garden

You're one of the lovely members :-4

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:30 am

flopstock wrote: What happened or didn't is unimportant, in relation to this thread. The point to my post, is not about the trolls or even perceived trolls.

It is about letting down your friends. Which, in this instance, I'm quite sure I did.

Floopy

I think we did our best in offering support to the Fabulous Five -- I truly do

But let's focus on the here and now

How can we get them back?

minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:35 am

flopstock wrote: What happened or didn't is unimportant, in relation to this thread. The point to my post, is not about the trolls or even perceived trolls.

It is about letting down your friends. Which, in this instance, I'm quite sure I did.

Nope I don't think you let anyone down.

Shweet tatersalad · Post by **Shweet tatersalad** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:41 am

by no means do I wish too replace or sub for any of the FAB FIVEI do how ever would like too lend my support in the backfield,in the secondary if you will.With the option too step up at any moment too lend a hand.I like it here and I have made great friends.I want too support the team.

Put Me in couch...I'm ready too play:guitarist

minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:43 am

Shweet tatersalad wrote: by no means do I wish too replace or sub for any of the FAB FIVEI do how ever would like too lend my support in the backfield,in the secondary if you will.With the option too step up at any moment too lend a hand.I like it here and I have made great friends.I want too support the team.

Put Me in couch...I'm ready too play:guitarist

I think I am with ya there on that Tater.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:47 am

flopstock wrote: You folks do realize that our front line defense has been taken out in the last two weeks, don't you?

The very folks who have kept the trolls and whack-jobs at bay for the rest us, are gone. For a while at least.

I(...)

This time was different. This time the good guys didn't come in and save the day. It was the good guys under attack.

I don't have a hard time at all, choosing sides. These are my friends and comrades here in the garden. I like and respect all of them, even when I don't agree with their methods sometimes. If forced to choose, I pick them. Even if not forced to choose, I pick them... every time. And if I have an issue with something they say or do, and I don't think I can let them know my view in a teasing or calm manner, in open forum...I'll PM them.

We don't have moderators, in the traditional sense. What we have are real people, taking care of each other.

I just don't think we kept up our side of that friendship, this time. I think perhaps we let them down far worse then any troll could. I don't have to agree with my friends all the time. But I do need to say, when faced with the choice.. 'I choose you'.

What are you talking about?

minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:49 am

flopstock wrote: Welllllll... just a thought... an idea, if you will...

I believe it was either Val or Nomad...who thought 'naked Fridays' would be a good morale booster...:rolleyes:

:D

Ok but it isn't going to be pretty

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zinkyusa · Post by **zinkyusa** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:55 am

flopstock wrote: nothing darlin' ...just go back to what you were doing.

evidently some sort of cabal going on Bill.

Why don't you either explain it to all of us or take it off line...

minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:59 am

zinkyusa wrote: evidently some sort of cabal going on Bill.

Why don't you either explain it to all of us or take it off line...

tis the missing of some members who have left FG either for good or for a brief spell. There was some serious muck flinging going on among old members (members who have been with the forum for a long time) and some newbies. People were choosing sides and in the end either admin choose to put an end to it all and both the defensive and offensive have left FG or members left on their own accord. I hope it is more like a cooling down departure and folks will return. Many are missed and many were the cornerstones of FG. As well gone are some of our newbies possibly in support of their friends and they are missed as well. Lets hope it's just a breather.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:00 pm

zinkyusa wrote: evidently some sort of cabal going on Bill.

Why don't you either explain it to all of us or take it off line...

Sounds like some sort of spat. If so, taking it offline (to e-mail) is unlikely

to be acceptable, IME. All will hopefullly be explained.

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:03 pm

Pinky wrote: Especially by the people that sit and do nothing and are happy to see their so called friends trodden into the putrid mire that inevitably arises.

I'm sorry, but I'm still fuming about that.

Pinky my friend

Please correct me if I'm wrong

But didn't most of us STAND BY the Fab Five

I remember Aussie Pam and Acc and myself stating that we stood with them

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:05 pm

minks wrote: tis the missing of some members who have left FG either for good or for a brief spell. There was some serious muck flinging going on among old members (members who have been with the forum for a long time) and some newbies. People were choosing sides and in the end either admin choose to put an end to it all and both the defensive and offensive have left FG or members left on their own accord. I hope it is more like a cooling down departure and folks will return. Many are missed and many were the cornerstones of FG. As well gone are some of our newbies possibly in support of their friends and they are missed as well. Lets hope it's just a breather.

Hopefully.... perhaps the corky-textured outer layer of some of the more

mature specimens in the Garden will increase in thickness.

minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:07 pm

flopstock wrote: I think that the problem some folks had was that the manner of posting made it kinda hard sometimes to say 'I agree with what you are saying' bacause although we may be in agreement with the idea, the delivery was a bit much.

I'm guilty of benign neglect in the beginning. Frankly I had zero interest in the topics of the threads and didn't bother reading them until we were well into it. And it wasn't until close to the end that it occurred to me that it is all right for me to simply say 'I chose my friend' no questions asked. These other folks are less then nothing to me... and god knows I'd seen no redeeming communication out of them... so very simply..'I choose my friend'

Floppy don't forget during that time you were also our key liason with the family rider and ourselves, you had loads enough on your plate. Don't think for a second you let anyone down, you were doing the best mission possible.

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:08 pm

flopstock wrote: I think that the problem some folks had was that the manner of posting made it kinda hard sometimes to say 'I agree with what you are saying' bacause although we may be in agreement with the idea, the delivery was a bit much.

Floppy, that's a good point. Some of the quieter FGers (I mean those that may not have voiced their support or opinion) in here may have agreed with the content but not the form.

minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:09 pm

Bill Sikes wrote: Hopefully.... perhaps the corky-textured outer layer of some of the more

mature specimens in the Garden will increase in thickness.

good point as well perhaps it will set an example and upon their return FG can again be the peaceful and fun place it is known as.

minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:11 pm

cherandbuster wrote: Floppy, that's a good point. Some of the quieter FGers (I mean those that may not have voiced their support or opinion) in here may have agreed with the content but not the form.

:yh_worshp or anyone for that matter Cher, you are so right.

Adam Zapple · Post by **Adam Zapple** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:12 pm

I may make myself persona non grata but here goes, besides I'm kinda used to being in the minority opinion on message boards :wah: . I agree that the regulars should stand with the regulars against the attacks of the trolls. However, I see nothing malicious in one friend telling another that they are wrong. I mostly watched the latest episode from the sidelines. Not be an "insider" at FG with close friends on either side, I think I have a pretty objective view of what happened. The FAB FIVE were given tremendous support from their friends here even though they made a mistake. Their intentions were honorable but we all make mistakes from time to time. I don't have a problem telling my friends to back off if they are wrong in an argument and if they get mad at me that is not my problem, I'm just trying to help them in the long run.

I don't understand why these mainstays at FG have left, even for a short time. I know I'm not going to make any friends by saying this but it seems a bit theatrical to me. They had the best interests of FG at heart, and even those that publicly chided them for being wrong understand that. But the vast majority of FGers stood by them through thick and thin and came to their defense. It seems a bit , oh, I can't find the right word, for them to now desert those that supported them. We've had thread after thread of pleas for them to return from their friends. Where are they? Why haven't they returned? I'm not saying this is true (I hope not and I'm sure it isn't), but it gives the appearance of an ego ploy to sit on the sidelines pouting with your arms crossed as your friends plead over and over and beg for you to come back. I'm sure it's not like that but it could give someone that doesn't know them that impression. Seems to me their friends are going to alot of trouble to bring them back and I can't understand why they aren't here yet. If they aren't coming back (and I hope they are) they should say so. If they intend to come back, it's time to put the hurt feelings aside and return to your friends, for your friends' sake if nothing else. Well, that's my $.02

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:13 pm

All gardens grow different personalities and temperaments.

Our peacekeepers just wanted the fighting to stop. That *does not* mean that they didn't support our Fab Five. It just means that everyone deals with conflict differently.

I speak my mind.

My husband would have stood beside the folks who wanted it all to just END.

There is no right or wrong. We are all different in our approaches.

minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:16 pm

Adam Zapple wrote: I may make myself persona non grata but here goes, besides I'm kinda used to being in the minority opinion on message boards :wah: . I agree that the regulars should stand with the regulars against the attacks of the trolls. However, I see nothing malicious in one friend telling another that they are wrong. I mostly watched the latest episode from the sidelines. Not be an "insider" at FG with close friends on either side, I think I have a pretty objective view of what happened. The FAB FIVE were given tremendous support from their friends here even though they made a mistake. Their intentions were honorable but we all make mistakes from time to time. I don't have a problem telling my friends to back off if they are wrong in an argument and if they get mad at me that is not my problem, I'm just trying to help them in the long run.

I don't understand why these mainstays at FG have left, even for a short time. I know I'm not going to make any friends by saying this but it seems a bit theatrical to me. They had the best interests of FG at heart, and even those that publicly chided them for being wrong understand that. But the vast majority of FGers stood by them through thick and thin and came to their defense. It seems a bit , oh, I can't find the right word, for them to now desert those that supported them. We've had thread after thread of pleas for them to return from their friends. Where are they? Why haven't they returned? I'm not saying this is true (I hope not and I'm sure it isn't), but it gives the appearance of an ego ploy to sit on the sidelines pouting with your arms crossed as your friends plead over and over and beg for you to come back. I'm sure it's not like that but it could give someone that doesn't know them that impression. Seems to me their friends are going to alot of trouble to bring them back and I can't understand why they aren't here yet. If they aren't coming back (and I hope they are) they should say so. If they intend to come back, it's time to put the hurt feelings aside and return to your friends, for your friends' sake if nothing else. Well, that's my $.02

option number 2 the whole lot got banned by admin????? Perhaps ??? I mean both oldies and newbies are suspiciously missing at the same time.

Adam Zapple · Post by **Adam Zapple** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:17 pm

Hadn't thought about that minks. :-6

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:19 pm

minks wrote: option number 2 the whole lot got banned by admin????? Perhaps ??? I mean both oldies and newbies are suspiciously missing at the same time.

I'm quite certain that nobody received a permanent ban by Admin.

minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:23 pm

cherandbuster wrote: I'm quite certain that nobody received a permanent ban by Admin.

lets hope not, maybe only a warning ban.

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:24 pm

"Naked Fridays?" Does that mean what I think it does? SUNGLASSES FOR EVERYONE! There're men who've seen me nekkid who've been SNOWBLINDED permanently! It's like FLASHBULBS going off, people.....

But...if you think it'd work.....:-3

zinkyusa · Post by **zinkyusa** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:25 pm

who is the admin? can they be asked?

minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:26 pm

flopstock wrote: Ya know what would be really funny? If it turns out that they just got a life..:wah:

I had issues serious enough to step away for a while, with one person -since I joined. And I stepped back, not to pout, but to regain my composure. I would not let myself start posting again until I had moved beyond the anger. I didn't think that I could enter a thread and see this person was around and NOT want to rip them a new 'hole' .

Once time had put some distance between the moment and myself, I was able to see them for how unimportant they really were in my world, and it just quit bothering me..

Floppy you could be the poster girl for all of man kinds wars.

Marie5656 · Post by **Marie5656** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:27 pm

Too bad BR is off on medical leave..she would have eaten many of these trolls for breakfast, and spit them back out.