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LarsMac;1532332 wrote: Robert Jefferes, Rick Wiles, Jim Bakker, Franklin Graham, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, to name a few. And that means all the lame brians who listen to them. I would suspect that makes up more than .1% of Christians.
I would agree that they are still a minority of all Christians, but they are a very vocal group, who make Christians as a whole look pretty questionable to the uneducated.
They make it hard for others to see the good side of Christians.
And, yes, the media plays right into that by continuously publishing these idiots.
Jim Bakker is not a good example of a Christian. Pat Robertson says some sketchy things. Jerry Falwell & Franklin Graham I would need to see proof. They are great men those two. I guess I am a lame brain who would listen to them. Jerry Falwell isn't even alive anymore. I was privileged to see him speak in 2005. Who is Rick Wiles?
Falwell and Graham are far from uneducated. Grahams Father was the greatest preacher in the 20th Century. Falwell started the largest Christian University in America, Liberty University. Those are my peeps right there. Christians are far more educated in general than non Christians. Not only do they learn what the Public Schools teach, but they also learn the other side of the story that Non Christians laugh at but never look into themselves.
What has Falwell and Graham made it hard for you to see the good side of Christians? The media does try to ignore Christians and their views, but God finds a way to get them out anyway.
I would agree that they are still a minority of all Christians, but they are a very vocal group, who make Christians as a whole look pretty questionable to the uneducated.
They make it hard for others to see the good side of Christians.
And, yes, the media plays right into that by continuously publishing these idiots.
Jim Bakker is not a good example of a Christian. Pat Robertson says some sketchy things. Jerry Falwell & Franklin Graham I would need to see proof. They are great men those two. I guess I am a lame brain who would listen to them. Jerry Falwell isn't even alive anymore. I was privileged to see him speak in 2005. Who is Rick Wiles?
Falwell and Graham are far from uneducated. Grahams Father was the greatest preacher in the 20th Century. Falwell started the largest Christian University in America, Liberty University. Those are my peeps right there. Christians are far more educated in general than non Christians. Not only do they learn what the Public Schools teach, but they also learn the other side of the story that Non Christians laugh at but never look into themselves.
What has Falwell and Graham made it hard for you to see the good side of Christians? The media does try to ignore Christians and their views, but God finds a way to get them out anyway.
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xfrodobagginsx;1532350 wrote: Jim Bakker is not a good example of a Christian. Pat Robertson says some sketchy things. Jerry Falwell & Franklin Graham I would need to see proof. They are great men those two. I guess I am a lame brain who would listen to them. Jerry Falwell isn't even alive anymore. I was privileged to see him speak in 2005. Who is Rick Wiles?
Falwell and Graham are far from uneducated. Grahams Father was the greatest preacher in the 20th Century. Falwell started the largest Christian University in America, Liberty University. Those are my peeps right there. Christians are far more educated in general than non Christians. Not only do they learn what the Public Schools teach, but they also learn the other side of the story that Non Christians laugh at but never look into themselves.
What has Falwell and Graham made it hard for you to see the good side of Christians? The media does try to ignore Christians and their views, but God finds a way to get them out anyway.
OK, so, I was referring to Falwell, Jr. Riding in the shadow of his father, though he was not one that I cared for, either.
And Franklin can't ride his daddy's coattails forever. He is not half the man his father was.
And every one of the men on that list has come up with some pretty sketchy stuff.
And THEN there are the REALLY SKETCHY folks that have big followings, for whom I won't even give the respect of repeating their names.
Falwell and Graham are far from uneducated. Grahams Father was the greatest preacher in the 20th Century. Falwell started the largest Christian University in America, Liberty University. Those are my peeps right there. Christians are far more educated in general than non Christians. Not only do they learn what the Public Schools teach, but they also learn the other side of the story that Non Christians laugh at but never look into themselves.
What has Falwell and Graham made it hard for you to see the good side of Christians? The media does try to ignore Christians and their views, but God finds a way to get them out anyway.
OK, so, I was referring to Falwell, Jr. Riding in the shadow of his father, though he was not one that I cared for, either.
And Franklin can't ride his daddy's coattails forever. He is not half the man his father was.
And every one of the men on that list has come up with some pretty sketchy stuff.
And THEN there are the REALLY SKETCHY folks that have big followings, for whom I won't even give the respect of repeating their names.
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LarsMac;1532352 wrote: OK, so, I was referring to Falwell, Jr. Riding in the shadow of his father, though he was not one that I cared for, either.
And Franklin can't ride his daddy's coattails forever. He is not half the man his father was.
And every one of the men on that list has come up with some pretty sketchy stuff.
And THEN there are the REALLY SKETCHY folks that have big followings, for whom I won't even give the respect of repeating their names.
I told you the two on the list that I personally respect.
If you are referring to Joel Osteen, I see him as preaching a watered down prosperity Gospel that is un Biblical.
And Franklin can't ride his daddy's coattails forever. He is not half the man his father was.
And every one of the men on that list has come up with some pretty sketchy stuff.
And THEN there are the REALLY SKETCHY folks that have big followings, for whom I won't even give the respect of repeating their names.
I told you the two on the list that I personally respect.
If you are referring to Joel Osteen, I see him as preaching a watered down prosperity Gospel that is un Biblical.
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xfrodobagginsx;1532387 wrote: I told you the two on the list that I personally respect.
If you are referring to Joel Osteen, I see him as preaching a watered down prosperity Gospel that is un Biblical.
They're all pretty sketchy.
If you are referring to Joel Osteen, I see him as preaching a watered down prosperity Gospel that is un Biblical.
They're all pretty sketchy.
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LarsMac;1532388 wrote: They're all pretty sketchy.
I disagree. Falwell and Graham preached the true Gospel. Many of the others are very sketchy in their doctrine.
I disagree. Falwell and Graham preached the true Gospel. Many of the others are very sketchy in their doctrine.
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xfrodobagginsx;1532451 wrote: Coronavirus closures allowing destruction of ancient Israel sites
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The Hobby Lobby folks are trying to get replacements for all their fake stuff.
https://www.npr.org/2018/10/23/65974148 ... s-are-fake
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The Hobby Lobby folks are trying to get replacements for all their fake stuff.
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xfrodobagginsx;1532393 wrote: I disagree. Falwell and Graham preached the true Gospel. Many of the others are very sketchy in their doctrine.
Falwell was always Dodgy, and Jr is just the same.
Billy was usually pretty straight. Can't say the same for his boy Frank.
Falwell was always Dodgy, and Jr is just the same.
Billy was usually pretty straight. Can't say the same for his boy Frank.
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LarsMac;1532453 wrote: Falwell was always Dodgy, and Jr is just the same.
Billy was usually pretty straight. Can't say the same for his boy Frank.
I would need to see some examples of him being Dodgy. I think he is a straight up Christian who preached the truth unlike many today. Franklin Graham believes exactly the way his father did, but Franklin wasn't an active Christian until later in life.
Interestingly, Falwell had a friendship with Larry Flint, even though they were diametrically opposed to each other.
Billy was usually pretty straight. Can't say the same for his boy Frank.
I would need to see some examples of him being Dodgy. I think he is a straight up Christian who preached the truth unlike many today. Franklin Graham believes exactly the way his father did, but Franklin wasn't an active Christian until later in life.
Interestingly, Falwell had a friendship with Larry Flint, even though they were diametrically opposed to each other.
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LarsMac;1532452 wrote: The Hobby Lobby folks are trying to get replacements for all their fake stuff.
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I would get a second opinion.
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I would get a second opinion.
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The Holy Spirit IS God:
2Co 3:17 And the Lord is that Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
The Holy Spirit is one with the Father and the Son:
1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
A Clear distinction is made between Christ and the Spirit. It says that believers are wash and sanctified by the Spirit:
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
The Holy Spirit raised Christ from the dead:
1Pe 3:18 ¶ For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
God raised Christ from the dead:
Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(KJV)
Therefore, the Spirit is God.
He abides in believers by the Holy Spirit, signifying that the Spirit is God:
1Jo 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
God the Father, Son and Spirit present in the Creation of Man:
Ge 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
Let US go down and make man in OUR image. Think about it. Who is God talking to? The Trinity.
God made man in His own image:
Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
2Co 3:17 And the Lord is that Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
The Holy Spirit is one with the Father and the Son:
1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
A Clear distinction is made between Christ and the Spirit. It says that believers are wash and sanctified by the Spirit:
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
The Holy Spirit raised Christ from the dead:
1Pe 3:18 ¶ For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
God raised Christ from the dead:
Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(KJV)
Therefore, the Spirit is God.
He abides in believers by the Holy Spirit, signifying that the Spirit is God:
1Jo 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
God the Father, Son and Spirit present in the Creation of Man:
Ge 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
Let US go down and make man in OUR image. Think about it. Who is God talking to? The Trinity.
God made man in His own image:
Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
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The Premise Of Spiritual Warfare In Relation to Alien Abductions
By Wesley M. Clark
What's going on here?
After 50 years of the modern UFO era, and nearly 40 years since the Betty and
Barney Hill abduction case, UFOlogists and abduction researchers are in general
agreement on the following points:
There is little debate that UFO phenomena is real. The question today is, what is
it? There are as many theories floating around the UFO realm as there are people to
imagine them, but an absolute, definitive answer is still up for grabs, at least until now.
Millions of people all over the world from every walk of life have witnessed UFO
phenomena at some point in their lives, including some of the most educated and
responsible people on the planet. The assumption that UFO sightings are confined to
the most ignorant and uninformed levels of society is simply a myth. Many surveys
taken over the last several years show the higher an individual's level of education, the
more they are likely to believe in UFOs.
Researchers are in general agreement that most sightings, possibly 95% or more,
are ultimately explainable as either natural phenomena or man-made in origin. The
remaining unexplained sightings are assumed to be some kind of vehicles under some
kind of intelligent control, based on their reported flight characteristics, ie, abrupt, high
speed course changes resulting in hundreds of "Gs" that would kill a human pilot. But
who are these alleged "UFOnauts," and what are they doing here?
There is general, but not complete agreement among researchers that UFOs are
extraterrestrial in origin, but where are they from?
By the 1970's, UFO sighting reports became so frequent and varied in description
that a method of classification was established to sort them all out. This method is
known as the "CE," or "Close Encounter" method of classification and it works as
follows:
CE-1, or Close Encounter of the first kind - An unidentified object seen in daylight
conditions or anomalous lights seen in conditions of darkness.
CE-2, or Close Encounter of the second kind - An unidentified object that leaves
some kind of physical evidence such as indentions or patterns on the ground, broken or
burned tree limbs, etc. Physical evidence may also be in the form of interference or
disruption of electrical equipment in the vicinity of the sighting event.
CE-3, or Close Encounter of the third kind - A sighting event in which some kind of
occupants are observed in or around the UFO.
CE-4, or Close Encounter of the fourth kind - A sighting event in which the witness
reports being abducted and taken aboard the UFO by its occupants.
CE-5, or Close Encounter of the fifth kind - A sighting event in which the witness is
either hurt or killed during the course of the event.
There are further subdivisions of this classification system, but this is basically how
it works.
Over the years as the "CE" classification system was applied to UFO sightings,
many patterns developed, however it still yielded no definite answers.
One particular pattern that emerged was the observed ability of many UFOs to
shapeshift and/or appear and disappear as opposed to flying in and out of the sighting
area. This ability absolutely transcends the physical or natural realm and enters the
supernatural realm. Researchers like Dr. Jacques Vallee and the late Dr. J. Allen
Hynek discussed this characteristic in their book, "The Edge OF Reality."
"If UFOs are, indeed, somebody else's "nuts and bolts hardware," then we must
still explain how such tangible hardware can change shape before our eyes, vanish in a
cheshire cat manner (not even leaving a grin), seemingly melt away in front of us, or
apparently "materialize" mysteriously before us without apparent detection by persons
nearby or in neighboring towns. We must wonder, too, where UFOs are "hiding" when
not manifesting themselves to human eyes." (1)
Mankind has accomplished many amazing feats, particularly in the last hundred
years, through technology, but no amount of technological advancement can propel one
from the natural realm into the supernatural realm, no matter how spectacular the
technological achievement may be.
The Abductees
The Betty and Barney Hill abduction incident in 1961 is considered to be the first
abduction report to be extensively investigated by researchers brave enough to take on
the task. Considering the social standards of 1961, belief in "flying saucers" was
considered fringy at best and UFO investigators were already pushing their credibility to
the max. To spend any length of time seriously investigating the claims of "little gray
men" would pretty much take the cake. This event was the first step toward social
reconditioning by the enemy. It would be several more years before the concept of
"Space Brothers" would be accepted in droves.
"A majority of the public and practically every scientist has thought UFOs were
nonsense-and that is why there are few UFO detectives. Now things are changing. So
many people have seen strange phenomena that a new belief has been born...
Unfortunately once disturbed from its comfortable position of rest, the public will shift to
the other extreme and start believing in space visitations."(2)
There have been claims of contact with space aliens since probably the day after
Kenneth Arnold reported his nine shiny discs skipping "like a saucer would if you
skipped it across the water."(3) But most contacts were considered to be benign in
nature. Abduction phenomena took a sinister turn with the Betty and Barney Hill
incident.
Since the early days of abduction research, tens of thousands of abduction cases
have been reported. They, too, began showing peculiar commonalities.
We Smell A Rat!
Interestingly, these alleged UFOnauts were not only abducting individuals at
random for some kind of medical experimentation, they also seemed to come bearing a
message. This message seemed to be: "We are here to help you." But help us how? If
they were extraterrestrial in nature, they were getting here by some astounding
technological advancement, but once here, they were performing the most barbaric
medical procedures ever envisioned by mankind, procedures that made Josef Mengele
look sickeningly humane.
Abductees were commonly reporting rape and other forms of molestation. They
received probes of every orifice. Males had sperm removed while females had eggs
extracted. Many abductees were impregnated or shown fetuses floating in vats of
strange liquid, while others were shown alien-human hybrids that were supposedly the
result of their involuntary donations. When asked why, the aliens responded that lowly
humans cannot comprehend the aliens lofty spiritual motives.
The late Dr. Karla Turner came to some interesting conclusions based upon her
personal experience and research of other experiencers:
from - "Aliens -Friends or Foes?" by Dr. Karla Turner:
- Aliens can alter our perceptions of our surroundings.
- Aliens can control what we think we see. They can appear to us [in] any number
of guises and shapes.
- Aliens can be present with us in an invisible state and can make themselves only
partially visible.
- Abductees receive marks on their bodies other than the well-known scoops and
straight-line scars. These other marks include single punctures, multiple punctures,
large bruises, three and four fingered claw marks, and triangles of every possible sort.
- Female abductees often suffer serious gynecological problems after their alien
encounters, and sometimes these problems lead to cysts, tumors, cancer of the breast
and uterus, and to hysterectomies.
- A surprising number of abductees suffer from serious illnesses they didn't have
before their encounters. These have led to surgery, debilitation, and even death from
causes the doctors can't identify.
- Abductees often encounter more than one sort of alien during an experience, not
just the greys. Every possible combination of grey, reptoid, insectoid, blond, and
widow's peak have been seen during single abductions, aboard the same craft or in the
same facility.
- Abductees report being scoffed at, jeered at, and threatened by their alien
captors. Painful genital and anal probes are performed... Unknown fluids are injected
into some abductees.
- Abductees-"virgin" cases- report being taken to underground facilities where
they see grotesque hybrid creatures, nurseries of hybrid humanoid fetuses, and vats of
colored liquid filled with parts of human bodies.
- Abductees report seeing other humans in these facilities being drained of blood,
being mutilated, flayed, and dismembered, and stacked, lifeless like cords of wood.
Some abductees have been threatened that they, too, will end up in this condition if they
don't co-operate with their alien captors.
- Aliens come into homes and temporarily remove young children, leaving their
distraught parents paralyzed and helpless. In cases where a parent has been able to
protest, the aliens insist that "The children belong to us."
- Aliens have forced their human abductees to have sexual intercourse with aliens
and even with other abductees while groups of aliens observe these performances. In
such encounters, the aliens have sometimes disguised themselves in order to gain the
cooperation of the abductee, appearing in such forms as Jesus, the Pope, certain
celebrities, and even the dead spouses of the abductees.
- Aliens perform extremely painful experiments or procedures on abductees,
saying that these acts are necessary but give no explanation why.....Painful genital and
anal probes are performed, on children as well as adults.
- Aliens make predictions of an imminent period of global chaos and destruction.
They say that a certain number of humans...will be "rescued" from the planet in order to
continue the species, either on another planet or back on earth after the destruction is
over. Many abductees report they don't believe their alien captors and foresee instead
a much more sinister use of the "rescued" humans.
"In every instance from this list, there are multiple reports from unrelated cases,
confirming that such bizarre details are not the product of a single deranged mind. These
details are convincing evidence that, contrary to the claims of many UFO researchers,
the abduction experience isn't limited to uniform pattern of events. This phenomenon
simply can't be explained in terms of cross-breeding experiments or scientific research
into the human physiology... Before we allow ourselves to believe in the benevolence of
the alien interaction, we should ask, do enlightened beings need to use the cover of night
to perform good deeds? Do they need to paralyze us and render us helpless to resist?
Do angels need to steal our fetuses? Do they need to manipulate our children's genitals
and probe our rectums? Are fear, pain, and deception consistent with high spiritual
motives?" (4)
These are indeed some fair questions, and ones that need to be honestly asked by
anyone even remotely involved in the UFO/abduction realm, whether they are
experiencers, researchers or even the mildly curious.
Meanwhile, back on the Space Coast...
CE 4 is an alien abduction research group based in Titusville, Florida on the Space
Coast. Established in October, 1996, the group consists of about a dozen MUFON
(Mutual UFO Network) Field Investigators and researchers. Joe Jordan and Wes
Clark are Field Investigators for MUFON, with Jordan being a State Section Director
for Brevard County, Florida.
In the course of performing the occasional sighting investigation, the MUFON
presence became increasingly known throughout the Space Coast. About half a dozen
experiencers turned up throughout East Central Florida. They approached Jordan and
Clark assuming if they were specifically MUFON Field Investigators, they would be
objective enough to listen to their accounts, which they were. Unfortunately, most of
them were asking for help, and the only thing these men could do was be good listeners.
Jordan and Clark decided to independently study the abduction phenomenon, due
largely to the fact there were so many experiencers in the local area. CE 4 Research
Group was established to separate their MUFON activities from their abduction
research.
After thoroughly interviewing the abductees, CE 4's findings mirrored that of most
other researchers in the field. The cases they studied had all the earmarks of the
"usual" abduction experience. It eventually became apparent their research, like that
of the entire abduction field, was leading nowhere, yielding no answers. For 40 years,
abduction researchers have looked for patterns in the phenomenon, like what type of
people have the abduction experience and what do they have in common. They've
looked at age, gender, race, education, location, social status, etc., but have established
nothing. Maybe they weren't asking the right questions? It was clearly time for a new
approach.
After several weeks of intermittent brainstorming, one of CE 4's researchers finally
put a new question to the group: "Are Christians being abducted?" A fair question, and
one, as far as they knew, had never been addressed by the UFO/abduction research
community.
First, the question was addressed in the broader scope of religion in general. The
local abductees were reinterviewed, then they looked at the work of several other
abduction researchers to see if any trends developed.
At first, religious belief seemed not to be a factor. Christians, Jews, Moslems,
Buddhists, agnostics, all seemed to share the abduction experience equally. But as
more case studies were looked at, a puzzling trend began to emerge. The Christians
reporting the abduction experience tended to be people who intellectually espoused the
existence of God, but didn't apply it personally. But there seemed to be an obvious
absence of devout, Bible believing, "walk the walk" Christians. Where were they in this
equation?
Then, Jordan and Clark remembered an interview they had made with an
experiencer a few months before. He related an experience that made them stop and
take a closer look. The experience he related would eventually blow the lid off the
mystery of alien abduction phenomena. This man was able to stop his abduction cold,
which, as far as they knew, had never been done before, and the way he did it is very
extraordinary.
What follows is the case of Bill D. Bill's experience took place in Christmas,
Florida in 1976.
His abduction started out typically, ie., late at night, in bed. Earlier in the evening
he saw some anomalous lights through his living room window over a forest north of his
house. He assumed it was a police helicopter searching for drug runners or something.
Whatever it was, it agitated his dogs for several hours thereafter. He eventually went to
bed.
He was lying in bed, kept wide awake by the barking dogs, when paralysis set in.
He was unable to cry out. He could see nothing but a whitish gray, like a mist or fog,
although he sensed someone or something was in his room. His Wife didn't waken. The
next thing he knew, he was being levitated above his bed. He then had the sensation he
was being suspended by what felt like a pole inserted into his rectum. By this time, he
was alive with terror, but he couldn't scream.
Here is where the story becomes very interesting. The following is an excerpt
taken directly from the transcript of Mr. D.'s interview:
"I thought I was having a Satanic experience; that the devil had gotten a hold of me
and had shoved a pole up my rectum and was holding me up in the air... So helpless, I
couldn't do anything. I said, 'Jesus, Jesus, help me!' or 'Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!' When I
did, there was a feeling or a sound or something that either my words that I thought or
the words that I had tried to say or whatever, had hurt whatever was holding me up in
the air on this pole. And I felt like it was withdrawn and I fell. I hit the bed, because it
was like I was thrown back in bed. I really can't tell, but when I did, my wife woke up
and asked why I was jumping on the bed." (5)
This man was able to stop his abduction. Until this point, Jordan and Clark had
assumed Abductees were taken, willingly or not. To stop an abduction was something
they had never heard of, and this gentleman did it by calling upon the name of Jesus.
This particular case was astounding. This case seemed to involve some kind of spiritual
aspect. The spiritual element of UFO/abduction phenomena was well recognized as a
contributing factor by many researchers in the past, however to their knowledge, no one
had ever done any specific research into the spiritual element itself. Could there be
other similar cases? CE 4 began a systematic search of the UFO/abduction community,
through the Internet, and the published findings of other researchers. The premise of
spiritual warfare was beginning to develop.
While CE 4 were researching the spiritual angle of abduction phenomena, Rita
Elkins, a staff writer with Florida Today newspaper, began gathering material for an
article entitled "Spiritual Warfare."(6) As CE 4 Research Group was already
developing a presence within the UFO/abduction community in East Central Florida, Ms.
Elkins contacted Jordan and Clark, interviewing them extensively.
The resulting article drew a large number of responses within the local area. Many
of those responding gave accounts of their own experiences, happy to have someone to
relate them to. Most of the respondents were Christians and the subject of spiritual
warfare is not one organized religion prefers to deal with, and they didn't feel
comfortable discussing their experiences with UFO investigators due to the New Age
inclination of many UFOlogists. As the number of cases mounted, the data showed that
in every instance where the victim knew to invoke the name of Jesus Christ, the event
stopped. Period. The evidence was becoming increasingly difficult to ignore.
Someone had emailed Ms. Elkins' article to Michael Lindemann who reposted most
of the article on his CNI News, an Internet news journal dealing with UFO and abduction
research.(7) Michael Lindemann's CNI article eventually made it's way to "Flying
Saucer Review," the most prestigious journal of it's kind on the European continent.(8)
Now CE 4 were receiving email responses from virtually all over the world; dozens
of reports of similar experiences of people stopping a potential abduction event by
invoking the name of Jesus Christ.
Incidentally, CE 4 Research Group placed an ad in the classified section of the
MUFON UFO Journal soliciting experiences of "Christian abductees."(9) Most of the
responses were of the "I'm a Christian, and I'm abducted all the time, and I see Jesus
on the ship." variety. What this did illustrate however, is there were no "walk the
walk," Bible believing Christians who had the abduction experience, at least not from
this source. As of this writing CE 4 Research Group has yet to find any evidence
whatsoever of any Bible believing Christian abductees anywhere, and CE 4 is still
actively seeking them out.
A key to understanding the premise of spiritual warfare is to understand there are
generally two types of Christian; "talk the talk," and "walk the walk." The "talk the
talk" Christian is carnally minded, nodding mental ascent to Christian concepts and
principles, but either chooses not to, or has never learned how to apply them in his
personal life, navigating his way through life his own way via the senses realm. The
"walk the walk" Christian on the other hand is a Spirit filled Christian who has
developed a relationship with Jesus Christ on an individual level and applies Spiritual
principles in his personal life and is led by the Spirit in every situation. The data
gathered so far indicates that each and every human being is potentially open to
spiritual manipulation and deception by the enemy. A "talk the talk" Christian can,
knowingly or not, open up doors to the enemy, but a "walk the walk" Christian, if
confronted by the enemy, knows the power of the Spirit and knows how to wield it
against the enemy, so the enemy seldom waste their time on "walk the walk"
Christians. "Talk the talk" Christians make for an easier target.
Bill D.'s case is typical of many examples where the individual had recently become
a Christian and hadn't yet learned to develop their Spiritual walk, or establish fellowship
with Christ. In this case, when Bill had come under the spiritual attack, he resorted to
the only thing he knew to do, which was to cry out for Jesus Christ. CE 4 Research
Group has many cases on file where Christians have invoked the name and authority of
Jesus Christ and it worked, every single time without exception, but they (the Christian
believers) don't know why it worked.
It should be noted here that CE 4 Research Group has no data to confirm or deny
the existence of extraterrestrial life elsewhere in the universe. The research to date
suggests the UFO/abduction phenomenon is spiritual in nature. This better explains the
illusive nature of the UFO phenomenon all through recorded history. After 50 years of
the modern UFO era we have literally millions of eyewitness accounts, hundreds of
photographs and in recent years many examples of video documentation, but we still do
not have one single piece of hard physical evidence, in spite of thousands of eyewitness
reports over the years. This suggests they are not physical, but spiritual
manifestations. Even physical landing traces can be explained as a type of "counterfeit
creation," or manipulation of mass and energy, not to mention shapeshifting and many
UFO's ability to make 90 degree turns and other maneuvers that are considered to be
impossible in the physical realm.
"Another peculiarity is the alleged ability of certain UFOs to dematerialize... There
are quite a few reported instances where two distinctly different UFOs hovering in a
clear sky will converge and eventually merge into one object. These are the types of
psychic phenomena that are confronting us in the UFO mystery." (10)
One author had this to say about the ETI theory:
"In the first place, it assumes the existence of extraterrestrial beings for which
there is no hard evidence whatsoever.
In the second place... If only one UFO is to visit the earth each year, we can
calculate what mean launch rate is required at each of these million worlds. The number
turns out to be 10,000 launches per year per civilization... This seems excessive."(11)
"...The extraterrestrial theory draws conclusions of a profoundly 'spiritual' nature
while conveniently avoiding that controversial label. Entities that operate with total
disregard for the inviolate laws of physics, travelling at the speed of light or faster and
having 'solved all their problems,' would have to be classified as 'spiritual,' semantic
arguments notwithstanding." (12)
The evidence further shows the phenomenon is highly deceptive as well:
"Because they are now appearing in a new, modern guise should tell us something
about their purposes. Man was not so ignorant in the past that he could not accurately
describe a "flying saucer." Rather, the "flying saucers" appeared in different forms in
the past. The fact that they have appeared in different forms over the centuries reveals
their purpose: deceiving men in the historical context of the day in which they appeared.
Real aliens from a far away world would not need to trick people by appearing in
different guises. Deceptive demonic entities would certainly do this!"(13)
By Wesley M. Clark
What's going on here?
After 50 years of the modern UFO era, and nearly 40 years since the Betty and
Barney Hill abduction case, UFOlogists and abduction researchers are in general
agreement on the following points:
There is little debate that UFO phenomena is real. The question today is, what is
it? There are as many theories floating around the UFO realm as there are people to
imagine them, but an absolute, definitive answer is still up for grabs, at least until now.
Millions of people all over the world from every walk of life have witnessed UFO
phenomena at some point in their lives, including some of the most educated and
responsible people on the planet. The assumption that UFO sightings are confined to
the most ignorant and uninformed levels of society is simply a myth. Many surveys
taken over the last several years show the higher an individual's level of education, the
more they are likely to believe in UFOs.
Researchers are in general agreement that most sightings, possibly 95% or more,
are ultimately explainable as either natural phenomena or man-made in origin. The
remaining unexplained sightings are assumed to be some kind of vehicles under some
kind of intelligent control, based on their reported flight characteristics, ie, abrupt, high
speed course changes resulting in hundreds of "Gs" that would kill a human pilot. But
who are these alleged "UFOnauts," and what are they doing here?
There is general, but not complete agreement among researchers that UFOs are
extraterrestrial in origin, but where are they from?
By the 1970's, UFO sighting reports became so frequent and varied in description
that a method of classification was established to sort them all out. This method is
known as the "CE," or "Close Encounter" method of classification and it works as
follows:
CE-1, or Close Encounter of the first kind - An unidentified object seen in daylight
conditions or anomalous lights seen in conditions of darkness.
CE-2, or Close Encounter of the second kind - An unidentified object that leaves
some kind of physical evidence such as indentions or patterns on the ground, broken or
burned tree limbs, etc. Physical evidence may also be in the form of interference or
disruption of electrical equipment in the vicinity of the sighting event.
CE-3, or Close Encounter of the third kind - A sighting event in which some kind of
occupants are observed in or around the UFO.
CE-4, or Close Encounter of the fourth kind - A sighting event in which the witness
reports being abducted and taken aboard the UFO by its occupants.
CE-5, or Close Encounter of the fifth kind - A sighting event in which the witness is
either hurt or killed during the course of the event.
There are further subdivisions of this classification system, but this is basically how
it works.
Over the years as the "CE" classification system was applied to UFO sightings,
many patterns developed, however it still yielded no definite answers.
One particular pattern that emerged was the observed ability of many UFOs to
shapeshift and/or appear and disappear as opposed to flying in and out of the sighting
area. This ability absolutely transcends the physical or natural realm and enters the
supernatural realm. Researchers like Dr. Jacques Vallee and the late Dr. J. Allen
Hynek discussed this characteristic in their book, "The Edge OF Reality."
"If UFOs are, indeed, somebody else's "nuts and bolts hardware," then we must
still explain how such tangible hardware can change shape before our eyes, vanish in a
cheshire cat manner (not even leaving a grin), seemingly melt away in front of us, or
apparently "materialize" mysteriously before us without apparent detection by persons
nearby or in neighboring towns. We must wonder, too, where UFOs are "hiding" when
not manifesting themselves to human eyes." (1)
Mankind has accomplished many amazing feats, particularly in the last hundred
years, through technology, but no amount of technological advancement can propel one
from the natural realm into the supernatural realm, no matter how spectacular the
technological achievement may be.
The Abductees
The Betty and Barney Hill abduction incident in 1961 is considered to be the first
abduction report to be extensively investigated by researchers brave enough to take on
the task. Considering the social standards of 1961, belief in "flying saucers" was
considered fringy at best and UFO investigators were already pushing their credibility to
the max. To spend any length of time seriously investigating the claims of "little gray
men" would pretty much take the cake. This event was the first step toward social
reconditioning by the enemy. It would be several more years before the concept of
"Space Brothers" would be accepted in droves.
"A majority of the public and practically every scientist has thought UFOs were
nonsense-and that is why there are few UFO detectives. Now things are changing. So
many people have seen strange phenomena that a new belief has been born...
Unfortunately once disturbed from its comfortable position of rest, the public will shift to
the other extreme and start believing in space visitations."(2)
There have been claims of contact with space aliens since probably the day after
Kenneth Arnold reported his nine shiny discs skipping "like a saucer would if you
skipped it across the water."(3) But most contacts were considered to be benign in
nature. Abduction phenomena took a sinister turn with the Betty and Barney Hill
incident.
Since the early days of abduction research, tens of thousands of abduction cases
have been reported. They, too, began showing peculiar commonalities.
We Smell A Rat!
Interestingly, these alleged UFOnauts were not only abducting individuals at
random for some kind of medical experimentation, they also seemed to come bearing a
message. This message seemed to be: "We are here to help you." But help us how? If
they were extraterrestrial in nature, they were getting here by some astounding
technological advancement, but once here, they were performing the most barbaric
medical procedures ever envisioned by mankind, procedures that made Josef Mengele
look sickeningly humane.
Abductees were commonly reporting rape and other forms of molestation. They
received probes of every orifice. Males had sperm removed while females had eggs
extracted. Many abductees were impregnated or shown fetuses floating in vats of
strange liquid, while others were shown alien-human hybrids that were supposedly the
result of their involuntary donations. When asked why, the aliens responded that lowly
humans cannot comprehend the aliens lofty spiritual motives.
The late Dr. Karla Turner came to some interesting conclusions based upon her
personal experience and research of other experiencers:
from - "Aliens -Friends or Foes?" by Dr. Karla Turner:
- Aliens can alter our perceptions of our surroundings.
- Aliens can control what we think we see. They can appear to us [in] any number
of guises and shapes.
- Aliens can be present with us in an invisible state and can make themselves only
partially visible.
- Abductees receive marks on their bodies other than the well-known scoops and
straight-line scars. These other marks include single punctures, multiple punctures,
large bruises, three and four fingered claw marks, and triangles of every possible sort.
- Female abductees often suffer serious gynecological problems after their alien
encounters, and sometimes these problems lead to cysts, tumors, cancer of the breast
and uterus, and to hysterectomies.
- A surprising number of abductees suffer from serious illnesses they didn't have
before their encounters. These have led to surgery, debilitation, and even death from
causes the doctors can't identify.
- Abductees often encounter more than one sort of alien during an experience, not
just the greys. Every possible combination of grey, reptoid, insectoid, blond, and
widow's peak have been seen during single abductions, aboard the same craft or in the
same facility.
- Abductees report being scoffed at, jeered at, and threatened by their alien
captors. Painful genital and anal probes are performed... Unknown fluids are injected
into some abductees.
- Abductees-"virgin" cases- report being taken to underground facilities where
they see grotesque hybrid creatures, nurseries of hybrid humanoid fetuses, and vats of
colored liquid filled with parts of human bodies.
- Abductees report seeing other humans in these facilities being drained of blood,
being mutilated, flayed, and dismembered, and stacked, lifeless like cords of wood.
Some abductees have been threatened that they, too, will end up in this condition if they
don't co-operate with their alien captors.
- Aliens come into homes and temporarily remove young children, leaving their
distraught parents paralyzed and helpless. In cases where a parent has been able to
protest, the aliens insist that "The children belong to us."
- Aliens have forced their human abductees to have sexual intercourse with aliens
and even with other abductees while groups of aliens observe these performances. In
such encounters, the aliens have sometimes disguised themselves in order to gain the
cooperation of the abductee, appearing in such forms as Jesus, the Pope, certain
celebrities, and even the dead spouses of the abductees.
- Aliens perform extremely painful experiments or procedures on abductees,
saying that these acts are necessary but give no explanation why.....Painful genital and
anal probes are performed, on children as well as adults.
- Aliens make predictions of an imminent period of global chaos and destruction.
They say that a certain number of humans...will be "rescued" from the planet in order to
continue the species, either on another planet or back on earth after the destruction is
over. Many abductees report they don't believe their alien captors and foresee instead
a much more sinister use of the "rescued" humans.
"In every instance from this list, there are multiple reports from unrelated cases,
confirming that such bizarre details are not the product of a single deranged mind. These
details are convincing evidence that, contrary to the claims of many UFO researchers,
the abduction experience isn't limited to uniform pattern of events. This phenomenon
simply can't be explained in terms of cross-breeding experiments or scientific research
into the human physiology... Before we allow ourselves to believe in the benevolence of
the alien interaction, we should ask, do enlightened beings need to use the cover of night
to perform good deeds? Do they need to paralyze us and render us helpless to resist?
Do angels need to steal our fetuses? Do they need to manipulate our children's genitals
and probe our rectums? Are fear, pain, and deception consistent with high spiritual
motives?" (4)
These are indeed some fair questions, and ones that need to be honestly asked by
anyone even remotely involved in the UFO/abduction realm, whether they are
experiencers, researchers or even the mildly curious.
Meanwhile, back on the Space Coast...
CE 4 is an alien abduction research group based in Titusville, Florida on the Space
Coast. Established in October, 1996, the group consists of about a dozen MUFON
(Mutual UFO Network) Field Investigators and researchers. Joe Jordan and Wes
Clark are Field Investigators for MUFON, with Jordan being a State Section Director
for Brevard County, Florida.
In the course of performing the occasional sighting investigation, the MUFON
presence became increasingly known throughout the Space Coast. About half a dozen
experiencers turned up throughout East Central Florida. They approached Jordan and
Clark assuming if they were specifically MUFON Field Investigators, they would be
objective enough to listen to their accounts, which they were. Unfortunately, most of
them were asking for help, and the only thing these men could do was be good listeners.
Jordan and Clark decided to independently study the abduction phenomenon, due
largely to the fact there were so many experiencers in the local area. CE 4 Research
Group was established to separate their MUFON activities from their abduction
research.
After thoroughly interviewing the abductees, CE 4's findings mirrored that of most
other researchers in the field. The cases they studied had all the earmarks of the
"usual" abduction experience. It eventually became apparent their research, like that
of the entire abduction field, was leading nowhere, yielding no answers. For 40 years,
abduction researchers have looked for patterns in the phenomenon, like what type of
people have the abduction experience and what do they have in common. They've
looked at age, gender, race, education, location, social status, etc., but have established
nothing. Maybe they weren't asking the right questions? It was clearly time for a new
approach.
After several weeks of intermittent brainstorming, one of CE 4's researchers finally
put a new question to the group: "Are Christians being abducted?" A fair question, and
one, as far as they knew, had never been addressed by the UFO/abduction research
community.
First, the question was addressed in the broader scope of religion in general. The
local abductees were reinterviewed, then they looked at the work of several other
abduction researchers to see if any trends developed.
At first, religious belief seemed not to be a factor. Christians, Jews, Moslems,
Buddhists, agnostics, all seemed to share the abduction experience equally. But as
more case studies were looked at, a puzzling trend began to emerge. The Christians
reporting the abduction experience tended to be people who intellectually espoused the
existence of God, but didn't apply it personally. But there seemed to be an obvious
absence of devout, Bible believing, "walk the walk" Christians. Where were they in this
equation?
Then, Jordan and Clark remembered an interview they had made with an
experiencer a few months before. He related an experience that made them stop and
take a closer look. The experience he related would eventually blow the lid off the
mystery of alien abduction phenomena. This man was able to stop his abduction cold,
which, as far as they knew, had never been done before, and the way he did it is very
extraordinary.
What follows is the case of Bill D. Bill's experience took place in Christmas,
Florida in 1976.
His abduction started out typically, ie., late at night, in bed. Earlier in the evening
he saw some anomalous lights through his living room window over a forest north of his
house. He assumed it was a police helicopter searching for drug runners or something.
Whatever it was, it agitated his dogs for several hours thereafter. He eventually went to
bed.
He was lying in bed, kept wide awake by the barking dogs, when paralysis set in.
He was unable to cry out. He could see nothing but a whitish gray, like a mist or fog,
although he sensed someone or something was in his room. His Wife didn't waken. The
next thing he knew, he was being levitated above his bed. He then had the sensation he
was being suspended by what felt like a pole inserted into his rectum. By this time, he
was alive with terror, but he couldn't scream.
Here is where the story becomes very interesting. The following is an excerpt
taken directly from the transcript of Mr. D.'s interview:
"I thought I was having a Satanic experience; that the devil had gotten a hold of me
and had shoved a pole up my rectum and was holding me up in the air... So helpless, I
couldn't do anything. I said, 'Jesus, Jesus, help me!' or 'Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!' When I
did, there was a feeling or a sound or something that either my words that I thought or
the words that I had tried to say or whatever, had hurt whatever was holding me up in
the air on this pole. And I felt like it was withdrawn and I fell. I hit the bed, because it
was like I was thrown back in bed. I really can't tell, but when I did, my wife woke up
and asked why I was jumping on the bed." (5)
This man was able to stop his abduction. Until this point, Jordan and Clark had
assumed Abductees were taken, willingly or not. To stop an abduction was something
they had never heard of, and this gentleman did it by calling upon the name of Jesus.
This particular case was astounding. This case seemed to involve some kind of spiritual
aspect. The spiritual element of UFO/abduction phenomena was well recognized as a
contributing factor by many researchers in the past, however to their knowledge, no one
had ever done any specific research into the spiritual element itself. Could there be
other similar cases? CE 4 began a systematic search of the UFO/abduction community,
through the Internet, and the published findings of other researchers. The premise of
spiritual warfare was beginning to develop.
While CE 4 were researching the spiritual angle of abduction phenomena, Rita
Elkins, a staff writer with Florida Today newspaper, began gathering material for an
article entitled "Spiritual Warfare."(6) As CE 4 Research Group was already
developing a presence within the UFO/abduction community in East Central Florida, Ms.
Elkins contacted Jordan and Clark, interviewing them extensively.
The resulting article drew a large number of responses within the local area. Many
of those responding gave accounts of their own experiences, happy to have someone to
relate them to. Most of the respondents were Christians and the subject of spiritual
warfare is not one organized religion prefers to deal with, and they didn't feel
comfortable discussing their experiences with UFO investigators due to the New Age
inclination of many UFOlogists. As the number of cases mounted, the data showed that
in every instance where the victim knew to invoke the name of Jesus Christ, the event
stopped. Period. The evidence was becoming increasingly difficult to ignore.
Someone had emailed Ms. Elkins' article to Michael Lindemann who reposted most
of the article on his CNI News, an Internet news journal dealing with UFO and abduction
research.(7) Michael Lindemann's CNI article eventually made it's way to "Flying
Saucer Review," the most prestigious journal of it's kind on the European continent.(8)
Now CE 4 were receiving email responses from virtually all over the world; dozens
of reports of similar experiences of people stopping a potential abduction event by
invoking the name of Jesus Christ.
Incidentally, CE 4 Research Group placed an ad in the classified section of the
MUFON UFO Journal soliciting experiences of "Christian abductees."(9) Most of the
responses were of the "I'm a Christian, and I'm abducted all the time, and I see Jesus
on the ship." variety. What this did illustrate however, is there were no "walk the
walk," Bible believing Christians who had the abduction experience, at least not from
this source. As of this writing CE 4 Research Group has yet to find any evidence
whatsoever of any Bible believing Christian abductees anywhere, and CE 4 is still
actively seeking them out.
A key to understanding the premise of spiritual warfare is to understand there are
generally two types of Christian; "talk the talk," and "walk the walk." The "talk the
talk" Christian is carnally minded, nodding mental ascent to Christian concepts and
principles, but either chooses not to, or has never learned how to apply them in his
personal life, navigating his way through life his own way via the senses realm. The
"walk the walk" Christian on the other hand is a Spirit filled Christian who has
developed a relationship with Jesus Christ on an individual level and applies Spiritual
principles in his personal life and is led by the Spirit in every situation. The data
gathered so far indicates that each and every human being is potentially open to
spiritual manipulation and deception by the enemy. A "talk the talk" Christian can,
knowingly or not, open up doors to the enemy, but a "walk the walk" Christian, if
confronted by the enemy, knows the power of the Spirit and knows how to wield it
against the enemy, so the enemy seldom waste their time on "walk the walk"
Christians. "Talk the talk" Christians make for an easier target.
Bill D.'s case is typical of many examples where the individual had recently become
a Christian and hadn't yet learned to develop their Spiritual walk, or establish fellowship
with Christ. In this case, when Bill had come under the spiritual attack, he resorted to
the only thing he knew to do, which was to cry out for Jesus Christ. CE 4 Research
Group has many cases on file where Christians have invoked the name and authority of
Jesus Christ and it worked, every single time without exception, but they (the Christian
believers) don't know why it worked.
It should be noted here that CE 4 Research Group has no data to confirm or deny
the existence of extraterrestrial life elsewhere in the universe. The research to date
suggests the UFO/abduction phenomenon is spiritual in nature. This better explains the
illusive nature of the UFO phenomenon all through recorded history. After 50 years of
the modern UFO era we have literally millions of eyewitness accounts, hundreds of
photographs and in recent years many examples of video documentation, but we still do
not have one single piece of hard physical evidence, in spite of thousands of eyewitness
reports over the years. This suggests they are not physical, but spiritual
manifestations. Even physical landing traces can be explained as a type of "counterfeit
creation," or manipulation of mass and energy, not to mention shapeshifting and many
UFO's ability to make 90 degree turns and other maneuvers that are considered to be
impossible in the physical realm.
"Another peculiarity is the alleged ability of certain UFOs to dematerialize... There
are quite a few reported instances where two distinctly different UFOs hovering in a
clear sky will converge and eventually merge into one object. These are the types of
psychic phenomena that are confronting us in the UFO mystery." (10)
One author had this to say about the ETI theory:
"In the first place, it assumes the existence of extraterrestrial beings for which
there is no hard evidence whatsoever.
In the second place... If only one UFO is to visit the earth each year, we can
calculate what mean launch rate is required at each of these million worlds. The number
turns out to be 10,000 launches per year per civilization... This seems excessive."(11)
"...The extraterrestrial theory draws conclusions of a profoundly 'spiritual' nature
while conveniently avoiding that controversial label. Entities that operate with total
disregard for the inviolate laws of physics, travelling at the speed of light or faster and
having 'solved all their problems,' would have to be classified as 'spiritual,' semantic
arguments notwithstanding." (12)
The evidence further shows the phenomenon is highly deceptive as well:
"Because they are now appearing in a new, modern guise should tell us something
about their purposes. Man was not so ignorant in the past that he could not accurately
describe a "flying saucer." Rather, the "flying saucers" appeared in different forms in
the past. The fact that they have appeared in different forms over the centuries reveals
their purpose: deceiving men in the historical context of the day in which they appeared.
Real aliens from a far away world would not need to trick people by appearing in
different guises. Deceptive demonic entities would certainly do this!"(13)
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...I will post more of this interesting article later...
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...more later....
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Actually, it seems to me that this should be another thread. It appears terribly off-topic, I think.
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LarsMac;1532641 wrote: Actually, it seems to me that this should be another thread. It appears terribly off-topic, I think.
The point is to show that Aliens are really Demonic creatures that the Bible talks about and not really creatures from another planet.
The point is to show that Aliens are really Demonic creatures that the Bible talks about and not really creatures from another planet.
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xfrodobagginsx;1532649 wrote: The point is to show that Aliens are really Demonic creatures that the Bible talks about and not really creatures from another planet.
Demonic Creatures. ...,
Riiiight.
Demonic Creatures. ...,
Riiiight.
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This conversation was from a while back. Not sure what happened to the current stuff.
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The host was changed, the most recent posts are still awaiting transfer to the new site.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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Happy Sunday Everyone! Find a good Bible believing Church and attend!
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Well, maybe this switch will fix the issue of not being able to post pics or use text editing.
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My, you are a quick study, aren't ya?xfrodobagginsx wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:37 pm Well, maybe this switch will fix the issue of not being able to post pics or use text editing.
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Read: Confronting the Sin of CertaintyThere is always an inadequacy in argument about ultimate things . . . So my advice is this—don’t look for proofs. Don’t bother with them at all. They are never sufficient to the question, and they’re always a little impertinent, I think, because they claim for God a place within our conceptual grasp.
"...Certainty is the great enemy of unity. Certainty is the great enemy of tolerance . . . Our faith is a living thing precisely because it walks hand in hand with doubt. If there was only certainty, and if there was no doubt, there would be no mystery, and therefore no need for faith. Let us pray that the Lord will grant us a Pope who doubts, who sins and asks forgiveness, and then moves on."
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Interesting that it doesn't quote one Bible verse...
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Then, you did not read the articlexfrodobagginsx wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:56 pm Interesting that it doesn't quote one Bible verse...
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Engaging with material is a lost art among the modern reprobate generation. I doubt whether certainty can co-exist with integrity.xfrodobagginsx wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:56 pm Interesting that it doesn't quote one Bible verse...
Allow me to assist by quoting from the article:
the author quotes Hebrews 11:1, a text that I often use in class as the jumping off point for a discussion of the nature of faith: “Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”
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...And how does that verse make their case?spot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:01 amEngaging with material is a lost art among the modern reprobate generation. I doubt whether certainty can co-exist with integrity.xfrodobagginsx wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:56 pm Interesting that it doesn't quote one Bible verse...
Allow me to assist by quoting from the article:
the author quotes Hebrews 11:1, a text that I often use in class as the jumping off point for a discussion of the nature of faith: “Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”
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You should probably read the rest of the article. But then, it will still get by you, I fear.xfrodobagginsx wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:17 am...And how does that verse make their case?spot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:01 amEngaging with material is a lost art among the modern reprobate generation. I doubt whether certainty can co-exist with integrity.xfrodobagginsx wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:56 pm Interesting that it doesn't quote one Bible verse...
Allow me to assist by quoting from the article:
the author quotes Hebrews 11:1, a text that I often use in class as the jumping off point for a discussion of the nature of faith: “Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”
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Ok thanks
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'Never give up your faith in Jesus,' Christian tells wife before mob murders him
https://www.wnd.com/2020/06/never-give- ... b-murders/
https://www.wnd.com/2020/06/never-give- ... b-murders/
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Churches are re-opening. It would be a GREAT idea to find a good Bible believing Church tomorrow and attend!
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Just don't forget to wear a mask.xfrodobagginsx wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:52 pm Churches are re-opening. It would be a GREAT idea to find a good Bible believing Church tomorrow and attend!
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You will be happy to know that my Church requires a mask until you are in your seat AND they are Social distancing every other pew. They are also spreading it all out to 3 different rooms.LarsMac wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:04 pmJust don't forget to wear a mask.xfrodobagginsx wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:52 pm Churches are re-opening. It would be a GREAT idea to find a good Bible believing Church tomorrow and attend!
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I'm glad to hear (er, read) that.xfrodobagginsx wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:49 pmYou will be happy to know that my Church requires a mask until you are in your seat AND they are Social distancing every other pew. They are also spreading it all out to 3 different rooms.LarsMac wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:04 pmJust don't forget to wear a mask.xfrodobagginsx wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:52 pm Churches are re-opening. It would be a GREAT idea to find a good Bible believing Church tomorrow and attend!
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Happy 4th of July everyone!
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On vacation this week guys.
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It feels good to be back! I have left my Church and will be seeking a new one now with the Lord's Leading. The Lord is good.
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So, what did you do for vacation?xfrodobagginsx wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:39 pm It feels good to be back! I have left my Church and will be seeking a new one now with the Lord's Leading. The Lord is good.
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I went to Los Vegas! I met Corey from Pawn Stars and took a pic with him. Ate at his BBQ place next door. They were filming. Went to many other places. It was for my 21st Anniversary.LarsMac wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:14 amSo, what did you do for vacation?xfrodobagginsx wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:39 pm It feels good to be back! I have left my Church and will be seeking a new one now with the Lord's Leading. The Lord is good.
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Happy Sunday! Find a good Bible believing Church and attend!
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Revival: Despite gov't bans, churches growing
https://www.wnd.com/2020/07/revival-des ... s-growing/
https://www.wnd.com/2020/07/revival-des ... s-growing/
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[sigh]xfrodobagginsx wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:49 pm Revival: Despite gov't bans, churches growing
https://www.wnd.com/2020/07/revival-des ... s-growing/
Back to the same ol' BS.
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Why would that bother you if you are a Christian?LarsMac wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:28 pm[sigh]xfrodobagginsx wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:49 pm Revival: Despite gov't bans, churches growing
https://www.wnd.com/2020/07/revival-des ... s-growing/
Back to the same ol' BS.
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Why would WHAT bother me if I am a christian?xfrodobagginsx wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:05 pmWhy would that bother you if you are a Christian?LarsMac wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:28 pm[sigh]xfrodobagginsx wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:49 pm Revival: Despite gov't bans, churches growing
https://www.wnd.com/2020/07/revival-des ... s-growing/
Back to the same ol' BS.
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WND? Their claim that the state is trying to suppress religious gatherings?
That bothers me because they are a propaganda rag, with no regard for truth. Why would that NOT bother you if you are a Christian?
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Religion objects to others persecuting people - except when it affects their own rights to persecute people.