How To Get To Heaven When You Die

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:46 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1528905 wrote: So would you now agree that there are in fact 3 days a year that the world Celebrates the Christian God of the Bible?
LarsMac;1528910 wrote: Umm, no.
As a matter of fact .... NOT EVEN CLOSE. Christians only make up 31% of the world's population:

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xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:26 pm

LarsMac;1528910 wrote: Umm, no.

Ok, so what is your reason for not believing that the world celebrates Christmas, Easter and New Year?

Post by **LarsMac** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:37 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1528956 wrote: Ok, so what is your reason for not believing that the world celebrates Christmas, Easter and New Year?

And when did I say that I don't believe that the world celebrates Christmas, Easter and New Year?

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:26 am

LarsMac;1528959 wrote: And when did I say that I don't believe that the world celebrates Christmas, Easter and New Year?
And what does Christianity have to do with the New Year anyway? The Chinese and Jews have been celebrating New Year's Day for many thousands of years before Christ was even born.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:05 pm

Christmas is often referred to as Yuletide, which is the correct term for it. Yule is the Pagan Feast, based around the Winter Solstice. During the Feast of Yule, people would bring trees into their homes & decorate them with such things as nuts.

When the Romans invaded Britain they hijacked the eisting Religions & imposed their own. Easter comes directly from Oesther, the Pagan Goddess of Fertility. Where do you think the Easter Eggs & Easter Bunny come from? There's no mention of those in the Bible, yet they are considered iconic of a supposedly Christian festival.

The current Calendar system used is the Gregorian Calendar, which wasn't introduced until 1582 & took more than 300 years to become internationally adopted in preference to the Julian Calendar (which is currently 13 days behind the Gregorian Calendar).

As per the most popular Religion in the world, per capita, I think you'll find that is Buddhism, owing to the population of China.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:13 pm

FourPart;1528985 wrote: Christmas is often referred to as Yuletide, which is the correct term for it. Yule is the Pagan Feast, based around the Winter Solstice. During the Feast of Yule, people would bring trees into their homes & decorate them with such things as nuts.

When the Romans invaded Britain they hijacked the eisting Religions & imposed their own. Easter comes directly from Oesther, the Pagan Goddess of Fertility. Where do you think the Easter Eggs & Easter Bunny come from? There's no mention of those in the Bible, yet they are considered iconic of a supposedly Christian festival.

The current Calendar system used is the Gregorian Calendar, which wasn't introduced until 1582 & took more than 300 years to become internationally adopted in preference to the Julian Calendar (which is currently 13 days behind the Gregorian Calendar).

As per the most popular Religion in the world, per capita, I think you'll find that is Buddhism, owing to the population of China.

An exceptionally informative contribution! I did wonder what the Easter Eggs are all about but until now had no clue. Just as an FYI aside "Jul" is what we still call Christmas here in Sweden.

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:22 pm

High Threshold;1528994 wrote: An exceptionally informative contribution! I did wonder what the Easter Eggs are all about but until now had no clue. Just as an FYI aside "Jul" is what we still call Christmas here in Sweden.

I still have a JulBock that a co-worker from Stockholm gave me some years back.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:23 pm

LarsMac;1528996 wrote: I still have a JulBock that a co-worker from Stockholm gave me some years back.
Made of straw?

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:29 pm

High Threshold;1528997 wrote: Made of straw?

yup

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:13 am

"What has politics done to evangelicals? To some extent, politics has convinced evangelicals that their political contribution are a set of values to be voted, rather than a vocation to discipleship that offers a distinctly different kind of politics altogether. If evangelicals will be a gospel people, that must include responding to the call to discipleship, and joining into Jesus’s peculiar way of engaging the world, not by building the most powerful coalition, but by walking faithfully according to the ways of God’s redemption."

Tim Gaines

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:28 am

Regardless of the origins of Christmas, whether pagan or not, no one actually knows for sure. It may be that the Catholics adopted that date to appease the recent pagan converts to Christianity and replaced their holiday with the celebration of the Birth of Christ.

It's the same thing with Easter. I already know all about these origins. Just because the pagans once observed a particular date with their false religion doesn't mean that Christians can't also celebrate on that day. The death, burial and resurrection in the case of Easter.

It really doesn't matter. The fact is that the Year is based on the Birth of Christ.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:28 am

It starts at the (approximate) date of Christs birth. Most biblical scholars and Bible history timelines have organized all of the biblical events in order to more accurately date the life of Jesus and history of the early church and concluded that the earlier estimates were off by a few years. Most now date His birth at 4–5 BCE (BC) and His death at 29–30 CE (AD).

Either way, the Gregorian calendar is based off of beginning at Jesus’s birth. This is commonly misunderstood because people mistakenly use the term “After Death for AD. This is not what AD stands for. AD stands for Anno Domini, which means “Year of our Lord.

So the Gregorian calendar (by Pope Gregory) uses a specific distinction in time that marks the beginning of a new era for the entire church and the rest of the western world. That specific time is when Jesus is born, or from “before Christ (BC) and “the Year of our Lord (AD)

I didn't say that Buddhism wasn't the most popular religion. I am saying that the year 2020 is based off the year of the Birth of Christ and every year the world celebrates it, whether they are Christian or not.

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:00 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1529011 wrote: It starts at the (approximate) date of Christs birth. Most biblical scholars and Bible history timelines have organized all of the biblical events in order to more accurately date the life of Jesus and history of the early church and concluded that the earlier estimates were off by a few years. Most now date His birth at 4–5 BCE (BC) and His death at 29–30 CE (AD).

Either way, the Gregorian calendar is based off of beginning at Jesus’s birth. This is commonly misunderstood because people mistakenly use the term “After Death for AD. This is not what AD stands for. AD stands for Anno Domini, which means “Year of our Lord.

So the Gregorian calendar (by Pope Gregory) uses a specific distinction in time that marks the beginning of a new era for the entire church and the rest of the western world. That specific time is when Jesus is born, or from “before Christ (BC) and “the Year of our Lord (AD)

I didn't say that Buddhism wasn't the most popular religion. I am saying that the year 2020 is based off the year of the Birth of Christ and every year the world celebrates it, whether they are Christian or not.

No matter how you spin it, Bob, there is a significant minority of the New Year revelers on the Planet Earth that give even the slightest thought to any Christian reference. It is seldom - if ever - considered a Christian holiday.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:03 pm

LarsMac;1529021 wrote: No matter how you spin it, Bob, there is a significant minority of the New Year revelers on the Planet Earth that give even the slightest thought to any Christian reference. It is seldom - if ever - considered a Christian holiday.

It's not about thought, it's about what calendar they actually use. They use the Gregorian Calendar, which is based on Christ's birth. It doesn't matter if they know it or not, or if it's considered a Christian Holiday or not, they celebrate it every New Year is my point.

https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/gr ... endar.html

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:52 am

LarsMac;1529009 wrote: "What has politics done to evangelicals? To some extent, politics has convinced evangelicals that their political contribution are a set of values to be voted, rather than a vocation to discipleship that offers a distinctly different kind of politics altogether. If evangelicals will be a gospel people, that must include responding to the call to discipleship, and joining into Jesus’s peculiar way of engaging the world, not by building the most powerful coalition, but by walking faithfully according to the ways of God’s redemption."

Tim Gaines

Evangelicals can do both, vote in Conservatives that stand up for Biblical values AND discple others at tge same time. It's not an either or situation.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:32 am

xfrodobagginsx;1529048 wrote: Evangelicals can do both, vote in Conservatives that stand up for Biblical values AND discple others at tge same time. It's not an either or situation.

I somehow knew that would be wasted on you.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Dec 24, 2019 3:36 pm

LarsMac;1529053 wrote: I somehow knew that would be wasted on you.

Are you saying that I have to choose one or the other? Because that's not true.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Dec 24, 2019 4:00 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1529076 wrote: Are you saying that I have to choose one or the other? Because that's not true.

It was not I that said it. But I do agree with what Mr Gaines wrote.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:23 pm

LarsMac;1529077 wrote: It was not I that said it. But I do agree with what Mr Gaines wrote.

Well it sounds to me as though Mr Gaines was saying that Christians need to ignore Politics and focus only on Discipleship. I would disagree with that because I believe that Christians need to do both. I know that you don't agree but that's how I feel about it.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:30 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1529088 wrote: Well it sounds to me as though Mr Gaines was saying that Christians need to ignore Politics and focus only on Discipleship. I would disagree with that because I believe that Christians need to do both. I know that you don't agree but that's how I feel about it.

What he says is that they should focus on discipleship, and let that lead their politics.

These days there are too many (IMHO) who let their politics lead them away from discipleship.

Discipleship Focuses on God and Christ. Politics focuses on the World (mammon) you cannot serve both.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:48 pm

regarding the New Year thing,

I found this today.

Just thought I'd share.

“B.C. / A.D.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Dec 24, 2019 11:21 pm

Religion has as much to with god as graves have to do with the dead. The only purpose with either is to placate the befuddled living so they won't be bumping into one another so often.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:11 pm

LarsMac;1529095 wrote: regarding the New Year thing,

I found this today.

Just thought I'd share.

“B.C. / A.D.

"Before Christ" and Anno Domini, which means "In The Year Of Our Lord".

You made my point. It revolves around Christ.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Wed Dec 25, 2019 10:25 pm

This year now 2019:

The Jewish year is today 5778.

The Islamic year is today 1441 AH (Before Hira).

The Buddhist year is today 2562.

NOTE VERY WELL > > > There is No Mention of Christ.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:51 pm

Merry Christmas to all & a Happy New Year!!!

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:16 pm

Judas Was Never A Believer In Christ

These are my reasons that I don’t believe Judas was ever a Christian and that he may even be the Anti Christ re incarnated (I don’t believe in re incarnation per se, but this may be a special case)

Jesus calls Judas “A Devil (He wouldn’t call a child of God a devil)

Joh 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Judas was a thief and cared nothing for the poor. It’s obvious to me that his heart never was with Jesus Christ. Of Judas, Jesus said:

Joh 12:6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

Satan himself possessed Judas (This is the only record of satan himself actually possessing anyone except the Anti Christ)

Joh 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

Judas is called “The Son of Perdition

Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

The AntiChrist is called “The Son of Perdition

2Th 2:3 ¶ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

(KJV)

Judas didn’t go to heaven or hell. He went to his own place.

Ac 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

Perdition will be possessed from the beast of the bottomless pit (Could Judas be in the bottomless pit)?:

Re 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:43 pm

The evidence doesn't support this.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:03 pm

The reason I bring up Judas is because some Christians think he might have been a believer and turned away from the faith, but it is quite clear that he was never a true believer in Christ.

Post by **LarsMac** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:45 pm

You have evidence to support your claim, or are just going by what you posted?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:48 am

LarsMac;1529175 wrote: You have evidence to support your claim, or are just going by what you posted?

What I posted is Biblical Evidence to support my claim.

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:18 am

Judas was not the first person to use religion to serve his own purpose, nor was he the last.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:59 am

LarsMac;1529179 wrote: Judas was not the first person to use religion to serve his own purpose, nor was he the last.

I actually agree with you on that.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:12 pm

Happy Sunday! Find a good Bible believing Church and attend today!

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:22 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1529202 wrote: Happy Sunday! Find a good Bible believing Church and attend today!

You realize that by the time you posted that message Sunday was all but over for most of the world, right?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:46 pm

LarsMac;1529203 wrote: You realize that by the time you posted that message Sunday was all but over for most of the world, right?

Yes, but I think it's good to remind people to go to Church. I meant to do it earlier.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:35 pm

No serious historian doubts the existence of Jesus Christ. Atheist scholars and Christians alike acknowledge the reality and impact of his life. But the three great religions with roots in the Middle EastJudaism, Islam and Christianitydivide over the death of Jesus and what it means. The final moment in the life of Jesusthe moment he died--was the all-important moment. That's what this book addresses: What does the Christian Bible teach about why Jesus suffered so much and died?

The Denial by Muslims

Nothing is more relevant or controversial today. Islam affirms that Jesus lived, but most Muslims have been taught that Jesus was not crucified. For example, one Sunni Muslim says, Muslims believe that Allah saved the Messiah from the ignominy of crucifixion. [1] Another adds, We honor [Jesus] more than you [Christians] do. . . . We refuse to believe that God would permit him to suffer death on the cross. [2]

The place in the Qur'an that provides the basis for this denial of the crucifixion (and resurrection) is a discussion of supposed Jewish errors:

And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messengerThey slew him not nor crucified, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt therefore; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah is ever Mighty, Wise. There is not one of the People of the Scripture [Jews] but will believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them. [3]

The Witness of Non-Christian History

However, those who were much closer to the historical situation than Mohammed (who was born in a.d. 571) reported that Jesus died by crucifixion. These witnesses include non-Christian historians who had no motive to fabricate Christ's death. For example, the Roman historian, Tacitus (who was born in a.d 55), wrote in his Annals (15:44) an explanation of how Nero, the emperor (who died in a.d 68) blamed Christians for the great fire of Rome in order to deflect rumors that he had started the blaze. In this passage Tacitus alludes to a fact which no one disputed: Christ had been crucified under Pontius Pilate:

All human efforts . . . of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus , and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their center and become popular. [4]

It was common and undisputed knowledge in the second half of the first century that Jesus Christ had been crucified. If there were any question that he had died in this way, it would have been eagerly disputed wherever Christians preached. But it wasn't. The fact of his death by crucifixion was not questioned.

Abundant Eyewitnesses and the Absence of Denial

If the death of Jesus was a myth, it had to be created overnight, since within weeks Christians were preaching the saving power of Christ's suffering and death. Even more significant, it was being preached in Jerusalemthe very city which had the greatest interest in making sure the error was stopped. As far as the Jewish leaders were concerned, this new religion was a distortion of the Jewish faith, and, in fact, was blasphemy, since Christians claimed that Jesus was himself the Son of God (Mark 14:61-64). We have a law, the Jewish leaders said to Pilate, and according to that law he ought to die because he has made himself the Son of God (John 19:7).

The fact is that Christians openly based their faith on the fact that Jesus was publicly tried, condemned, executed, and raised from the dead. They spoke this way within weeks after these events, when thousands of people who opposed this faith could have proved it wrong, if Jesus had not died. They could have gone to Pilate the governor or Herod the king or the Jewish Council or the soldiers or other witnesses of the crucifixion and gotten proof that he had not been condemned or crucified the way Christians said he was. But, in fact, no one did that. Everyone in Jerusalem knew that Jesus had been crucified, and many had watched him die. The resurrection was disputed, but not the crucifixion.

The early Christians were keenly aware that eyewitnesses were crucial in verifying their claims about the death and resurrection of Jesus. Their earliest writer, the apostle Paul, who was a contemporary of Jesus, said, Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures. . . . he was buried . . . he was raised on the third day . . . Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive (1 Corinthians 15:3-6). Why did Paul say most of whom are still alive? Because he was not afraid to have his claims put to the test. He knew they could be verified by eyewitnesses. In other words, Christianity was spreading during the very decades when eyewitnesses could have most easily proved it false. But the basic claims stood the test. The events had happened.

An Improbable Myth

Moreover why would a group of Jews (for all the first Christians were Jews by birth) fabricate the death of Christ? The Christians had nothing to gain from creating the story of a crucified Messiah. It made the spread of Christianity almost impossible from a natural viewpoint. Crucifixion was an obscene form of torture and execution reserved for despised criminals. Most people, hearing the Christian message that Jesus Christ was the divine Son of God who died by crucifixion, thought it was ludicrous. One of the earliest first-century Christian preachers said, We preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles (1 Corinthians 1:23 ). It was not to the advantage of Christians to concoct a crucified Messiah. It made their life and mission much harder.

The Critical Issue of the 21st century

The claim of many Muslims that Christ was never crucified, and that early Christians were mistaken or were myth-makers, goes against all the historical and intuitive evidence. The key issue between Christians and Muslims is not first and foremost the identity of Allah, but the fact and meaning of the death of Jesus Christ. This is also true for Judaism and Christianity: Who was this Jesus and why did he die? Both Judaism and Islam deny the essence of Christianitythat Jesus was the long-expected Messiah, the divine Son of God, who was crucified and raised from the dead to bring forgiveness of sins and eternal life to all who believe in him.

This makes Jesus incredibly relevant and controversial in the 21st century. The massive movement of Islam (over 1.3 billion people), and the comparatively small people of Israel have explosive significance in world affairs. The most critical issue between Islam and Judaism on the one hand, and Christianity on the other, is not whether Islam and Judaism are monotheistic. Nor is the issue whether Islam and Judaism try to honor Jesus. The issue is: Do Islam and Judaismor any other faiths besides Christianitycherish the righteous suffering and death of the God-Man, Jesus Christ, as the only ground of our acceptance with God?

The answer to that question is No. Only Christians base their acceptance with God on the death of a crucified, risen, and reigning person. All other faiths reject the unique saving relevance of Jesus Christ. That is the critical issue of the 21st century: What happened between man and God when Jesus Christ died?

The Offense of Jesus' PassionThen and Now

It was absolutely astonishing to the Roman world after the death of Jesus that Christians were willing to be tortured for faith in a convicted and crucified criminal. If this were a self-created myth, it was suicidal. In his History of Christian Missions , Stephen Neil wrote, Christians under the Roman Empire had no legal right to existence, and were liable to the utmost stringency of the law. . . . Every Christian knew that sooner or later he might have to testify to his faith at the cost of his life. [5] All of this because they believed that the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ was the most important event in the history of the world. The foolishness of the claim was almost insurmountable. And the Christians didn't try to water it down.

The modern (sub)version of Christianity that preaches health, wealth, and prosperity is a cut flower, finally to wither in the arid winds of 21 st century suffering. If what you've seen on television is all you know of Christianity, you may never have seen the real thing. If you want to know the true Christ, read the New Testament. Those who market him today with the bait of money and success have severed their roots in the crucified Christ. His way was different: If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me (Luke 9:23).

The early church knew that crucifixion was not just the experience of her Lord, but also a personal summons to sacrificial love. The fading of Christianity from cultural mainstream Western culture in the last 50 years is a dose of early church normalcy. Cultural Christianity has become a curse. It is time for the wheel of history to turn and the Christian church to discover the implications of her founder's finest hour, namely, his last.

[1] Badru D. Kateregga and David W. Shenk, Islam and Christianity: A Muslim and a Christian in Dialogue (Nairobi: Usima Press, 1980), 141.

[2] Quoted from The Muslim World, in Muslims and Christians on the Emmaus Road, ed. J. Dudley Woodberry (Monrovia, Ca: MARC, 1989), 164.

[3] Sara 4, 157-159, quoted from The Meanings of the Glorious Qur'an, trans. Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall (New Delhi : Kitab Bhavan, n.d.), 91.

[4] Tacitus, Annals, translated by Alfred John Church and William Jackson Brodribb, accessed 11-26-03, http://classics.mit.edu/Tacitus/annals.11.xv.html. Italics added.

[5] Stephen Neill, History of Christian Missions (New York: Penguin, 1964), 43.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:36 pm

In those who rest on their unshakable faith, pharisaism and fanaticism are the unmistakable symptoms of doubt which has been repressed. Doubt is not overcome by repression but by courage. Courage does not deny that there is doubt, but it takes the doubt into itself as an expression of its own finitude and affirms the content of an ultimate concern. Courage does not need the safety of an unquestionable conviction. It includes the risk without which no creative life is possible.

-Paul Tillich

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:39 am

LarsMac;1529240 wrote: In those who rest on their unshakable faith, pharisaism and fanaticism are the unmistakable symptoms of doubt which has been repressed. Doubt is not overcome by repression but by courage. Courage does not deny that there is doubt, but it takes the doubt into itself as an expression of its own finitude and affirms the content of an ultimate concern. Courage does not need the safety of an unquestionable conviction. It includes the risk without which no creative life is possible.

-Paul Tillich

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 John 5:13 KJV

Doubt does't result in martyrdom. Millions have given their lives for the faith. It's not pharisaism to be sure of what you believe. It's pharisaism to look down your nose at others and think you are better than them. Every Church has their cliquey crowd that tries to run everyone who is not a part of their group out of Church. They are like Pharisees. The Christians who are truly their for the right reasons are their fir the Lord, not the people. They give God the glory in their heart for everything and put Him first in all things, even when they are accused of being hateful for it. It isn't about pleasing man, but rather it is about pleasing God.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:10 pm

What makes you think the Bible is the word of God?

https://carm.org/what-makes-you-think-bible-word-god

Post by **LarsMac** » Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:25 pm

You know that it is easy to read something written many years ago and find ways to show that it prophesied something that happened recently.

Ever read Nostradamus?

Look at all the stuff people claim he foresaw.

Just sayin'

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:01 pm

LarsMac;1529285 wrote: You know that it is easy to read something written many years ago and find ways to show that it prophesied something that happened recently.

Ever read Nostradamus?

Look at all the stuff people claim he foresaw.

Just sayin'

Nastradamus didn't predict exact details with 100% accuracy. And he also didn't predict over 100-200 of a person's life, including when He would be born, where He would be born, betrayed for 30 pieces of silver, betrayed by His friend, rejected by His own, born in Bethlehem and so many more. Nastradamus got Hister instead of Hitler and almost the Rine river, but called it something else. He doesn't come close to the Bible.

I can give you a huge list of fulfilled prophecies if you want. Just sayin'.

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:22 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1529311 wrote: Nastradamus didn't predict exact details with 100% accuracy. And he also didn't predict over 100-200 of a person's life, including when He would be born, where He would be born, betrayed for 30 pieces of silver, betrayed by His friend, rejected by His own, born in Bethlehem and so many more. Nastradamus got Hister instead of Hitler and almost the Rine river, but called it something else. He doesn't come close to the Bible.

I can give you a huge list of fulfilled prophecies if you want. Just sayin'.

[sigh]

seen them. Been there, done that.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:40 pm

LarsMac;1529313 wrote: [sigh]

seen them. Been there, done that.

So then why do you seemingly give credibility to Nostradamus over the Bible? I don't get it. The Bible has shown it's self to be way WAY more reliable than any book in the world and especially ancient books.

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:16 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1529319 wrote: So then why do you seemingly give credibility to Nostradamus over the Bible? I don't get it. The Bible has shown it's self to be way WAY more reliable than any book in the world and especially ancient books.

Why do you presume that I give Nostradamus any credibility?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:26 am

LarsMac;1529324 wrote: Why do you presume that I give Nostradamus any credibility?

Ok, well, I apologize if I misunderstood your position. However, my point is still that the Nostradamus is not even in the same Ballpark at the Biblical prophecies. It's very clear on it's predictions and the details are exact and there are over 100-200 fulfilled with 100% accuracy, whereas Nostradamus only has a few out of many that have came partially and ambiguously true.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:27 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1529333 wrote: Ok, well, I apologize if I misunderstood your position. However, my point is still that the Nostradamus is not even in the same Ballpark at the Biblical prophecies. It's very clear on it's predictions and the details are exact and there are over 100-200 fulfilled with 100% accuracy, whereas Nostradamus only has a few out of many that have came partially and ambiguously true.

And, again, you missed the point of my post.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:10 pm

LarsMac;1529335 wrote: And, again, you missed the point of my post.

What did I miss?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:10 pm

LarsMac;1529313 wrote: [sigh]

seen them. Been there, done that.

So, then what are your thoughts on them? It's not possible that they weren't inspired by God Himself.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:52 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1529349 wrote: So, then what are your thoughts on them? It's not possible that they weren't inspired by God Himself.

My thoughts are pretty much as I said about other prophecies.

Prophecies are easy to come true when they are figured out years later.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:19 pm

LarsMac;1529351 wrote: My thoughts are pretty much as I said about other prophecies.

Prophecies are easy to come true when they are figured out years later.

I don't see how anyone could have predicted the time, name of the city, betrayed for 30 pieces of silver, rejected of His own, ect. How could that have been purposely fulfilled? You can't choose these things to happen.