How To Get To Heaven When You Die

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xfrodobagginsx;1527205 wrote: You can make that assertion, but it's not true. God is very real and the Bible is His Word. Jesus was indeed God's Son and He was God in the Flesh. He created all things, knows all things, performed miracles, died and rose again. You call Him a liar, then you call Him a prophet. What kind of prophet do you think He is? He claimed to be God in the flesh and performed miracles to prove it. He fulfilled hundreds of prophecies. The Bible was written by the actual eyewitnesses to these events. He often referred people back to the Scriptures saying "Is it not written..."
Proof is on my side, not yours. Your claim is shared by Charles Manson, David Koresh, Jim Jones, Marshall Applewhite, Shoko Asahara, David Horowitz, Joseph Di Mambro, Mark Chapman, and many like them. "God entered my spirit and commanded me!" but not a shred of evidence did they offer.

Am I saying that you are the same? No, I am not. The resemblance is in the philosophy alone. And to be clear, Jesus was not one of those either. He did not create the cult, those after him did.

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High Threshold;1527231 wrote: Proof is on my side, not yours. Your claim is shared by Charles Manson, David Koresh, Jim Jones, Marshall Applewhite, Shoko Asahara, David Horowitz, Joseph Di Mambro, Mark Chapman, and many like them. "God entered my spirit and commanded me!" but not a shred of evidence did they offer.

Am I saying that you are the same? No, I am not. The resemblance is in the philosophy alone. And to be clear, Jesus was not one of those either. He did not create the cult, those after him did.


Wrong. Just because someone believes in God doesn't make them Doctrinally correct. I can't find the place where it says to murder people. Can you? Adolf Hitler was an evolutionist. So was Margret Sanger. NONE of the people that you just listed were following what God's Word, the Bible actually says to do. I don't think that any of them are Christians either. Jesus Christ offered evidence of who He was in the form of fulfilled prophecies, miracles, dying and rising from the dead. Had Jesus Christ NOT risen from the dead, then Christianity would have died out and He would have been exposed as a fraud. But He DID rise from the dead and Christianity exploded all over the world.

You are characterizing Christ. I base my beliefs about Christ on the actual eyewitness accounts from His day and the secular accounts from His day and shortly after. What do you base your beliefs about Christ on?

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xfrodobagginsx;1527266 wrote: Wrong. Just because someone believes in God doesn't make them Doctrinally correct. Adolf Hitler was an evolutionist. So was Margret Sanger. NONE of the people that you just listed were following what God's Word, the Bible actually says to do. I don't think that any of them are Christians either. Jesus Christ offered evidence of who He was in the form of fulfilled prophecies, miracles, dying and rising from the dead. Had Jesus Christ NOT risen from the dead, then Christianity would have died out and He would have been exposed as a fraud. But He DID rise from the dead and Christianity exploded all over the world.

You are characterizing Christ. I base my beliefs about Christ on the actual eyewitness accounts from His day and the secular accounts from His day and shortly after. What do you base your beliefs about Christ on?


Speak unto the Lord with facts, please.

"The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" is based upon actual eyewitness accounts. The Bible, on the other hand, is a book of mythology like "Jason and the Argonauts" and "Hercules vs. the Cyclops" where although both Jason and Hercules were historical figures the deeds portrayed in these stories, however, are meer fantasy.

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High Threshold;1527272 wrote: Speak unto the Lord with facts, please.

"The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" is based upon actual eyewitness accounts. The Bible, on the other hand, is a book of mythology like "Jason and the Argonauts" and "Hercules vs. the Cyclops" where although both Jason and Hercules were historical figures the deeds portrayed in these stories, however, are meer fantasy.


The Bible is written by the actual eyewitnesses to the events. That was a main criteria for the New Testament books being included in the canon. It also had to be written by an Apostle or an associate of an Apostle. The only exceptions are James and Jude who were actual half brothers of Jesus Christ Himself. Secular Historians also wrote of Christ from His day and shortly thereafter and the Bible lines up with what they say also.

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xfrodobagginsx;1527299 wrote: The Bible is written by the actual eyewitnesses to the events. That was a main criteria for the New Testament books being included in the canon. It also had to be written by an Apostle or an associate of an Apostle. The only exceptions are James and Jude who were actual half brothers of Jesus Christ Himself. Secular Historians also wrote of Christ from His day and shortly thereafter and the Bible lines up with what they say also.
It's all based on hocus-pokus and superstition.

My grandmother was eyewitness to horse hair in water turning into snakes, rice turning into magots, and hot water freezing faster.

Tania Head was also an eyewitness to the 9/11 attack:

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/nyre ... vivor.html

There are lots of "true stories" foating about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hoaxes

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High Threshold;1527315 wrote: It's all based on hocus-pokus and superstition.

My grandmother was eyewitness to horse hair in water turning into snakes, rice turning into magots, and hot water freezing faster.

Tania Head was also an eyewitness to the 9/11 attack:

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/nyre ... vivor.html

There are lots of "true stories" foating about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hoaxes


No, it's based on Faith, but is backed up by the Facts and Evidence.

If thousands saw the same thing as your Grandmother, then I would say that there is most likely something truly happening there. Christianity isn't based on some experience by one person. Flawed argument on your part.

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xfrodobagginsx;1527338 wrote: No, it's based on Faith, but is backed up by the Facts and Evidence.
Yes, your belief is based on Faith, I agree. The same Faith that Mrs Clinton had when her husband said "I did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky" and the same Faith that Americans had when their government said there were WMD's in Irak based on "Facts of Evidence" faked by the CIA.

xfrodobagginsx;1527338 wrote: If thousands saw the same thing as your Grandmother, then I would say that there is most likely something truly happening there. Christianity isn't based on some experience by one person.
My assumption has been that no matter how much we might disagree (you and I) that at least you would be honest. But if you are claiming that "thousands witnessed" miracles of Christ then I must reconsider the level of your honesty. That is very bad for an earnest exchange of thoughts.

xfrodobagginsx;1527338 wrote: Flawed argument on your part.
Your argument is now on the thiniest of ice and is in danger of being cut short.

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High Threshold;1527339 wrote: Yes, your belief is based on Faith, I agree. The same Faith that Mrs Clinton had when her husband said "I did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky" and the same Faith that Americans had when their government said there were WMD's in Irak based on "Facts of Evidence" faked by the CIA.

My assumption has been that no matter how much we might disagree (you and I) that at least you would be honest. But if you are claiming that "thousands witnessed" miracles of Christ then I must reconsider the level of your honesty. That is very bad for an earnest exchange of thoughts.

Your argument is now on the thiniest of ice and is in danger of being cut short.


So is your belief based on faith. But mine is ALSO backed up by the actual evidence, yours is not. Christianity is not blind faith, it's faith that is confirmed by the evidence. Thousands witnessed the miracles of Christ yes. Crowds of people followed Him everywhere He went hoping to see miracles and coming to Him for healing. Even King Herod heard of His miracles and was hoping to see Him perform one when they were trying Him. Jesus didn't give Herod a miracle. Nothing thin about what I believe. It's all logical. How could someone perform all these miracles and NOT have thousands of people following Him? It's also recorded by the eyewitnesses in the Bible so you can believe them or call them a liar. The feeding of the 5,000 with 5 loaves and 2 fish is just one miracle. They also had several baskets full afterward. Mt 16:9 Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?

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xfrodobagginsx;1527347 wrote: So is your belief based on faith.
No, my belief is not based upon faith. I believe in two things:

1 Fact

2 Unknown

xfrodobagginsx;1527347 wrote: But mine is ALSO backed up by the actual evidence, yours is not.
Christianity is based upon hocus-pocus and ancient superstition.

xfrodobagginsx;1527347 wrote: Thousands witnessed the miracles of Christ yes. Crowds of people followed Him everywhere He went hoping to see miracles and coming to Him for healing. Even King Herod heard of His miracles and was hoping to see Him perform one when they were trying Him. Jesus didn't give Herod a miracle. Nothing thin about what I believe. It's all logical. How could someone perform all these miracles and NOT have thousands of people following Him?
Not true. It is false narrative.

xfrodobagginsx;1527347 wrote: It's also recorded by the eyewitnesses in the Bible so you can believe them or call them a liar.
No, the ones who wrote the Bible are liars. Jesus did not write the bible. He didn't tell such crazy stories.

xfrodobagginsx;1527347 wrote: The feeding of the 5,000 with 5 loaves and 2 fish is just one miracle. They also had several baskets full afterward. Mt 16:9 Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?
It never happened. He didn't perform any miracles. He didn't write the bible.

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High Threshold;1527348 wrote: No, my belief is not based upon faith. I believe in two things:

1 Fact

2 Unknown



Christianity is based upon hocus-pocus and ancient superstition.



Not true. It is false narrative.



No, the ones who wrote the Bible are liars. Jesus did not write the bible. He didn't tell such crazy stories.



It never happened. He didn't perform any miracles. He didn't write the bible.


1) Everyone bases their beliefs in part on faith because you don't know everything. Facts aught to lead you to the truth.

2) I believe that Christianity is backed up by the facts, but there is also faith involved because God requires it. The evidence does NOT contradict Christianity.

Ok so you are calling all of the eyewitness writers of the Bible liars? You don't think Jesus performed any miracles or I would assume you don't believe that He fulfilled any prophecies either? Jesus didn't pen the Bible, I agree with that, but The Holy Spirit did inspire them to write it. On that I will disagree with you.

How is it that all of these men bold face lied about Christ fulfilling prophecies, performing miracles, died and rose again and not ONE historian or person from that day refuted these things? There were thousands of people following Him around all of the time to see a miracle and or heal them.

Question: What is your source for your beliefs?

Question: Have you seen the Secular, non Biblical writings of Christ?

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xfrodobagginsx;1527367 wrote: 1) Everyone bases their beliefs in part on faith because you don't know everything. Facts aught to lead you to the truth.

2) I believe that Christianity is backed up by the facts, but there is also faith involved because God requires it. The evidence does NOT contradict Christianity.

Ok so you are calling all of the eyewitness writers of the Bible liars? You don't think Jesus performed any miracles or I would assume you don't believe that He fulfilled any prophecies either? Jesus didn't pen the Bible, I agree with that, but The Holy Spirit did inspire them to write it. On that I will disagree with you.

How is it that all of these men bold face lied about Christ fulfilling prophecies, performing miracles, died and rose again and not ONE historian or person from that day refuted these things? There were thousands of people following Him around all of the time to see a miracle and or heal them.

Question: What is your source for your beliefs?

Question: Have you seen the Secular, non Biblical writings of Christ?


I am responding to the relevant parts of your reply.

xfrodobagginsx;1527367 wrote: Everyone bases their beliefs in part on faith because you don't know everything.
No. That is not true. Agnostics accept both facts and the unknown but do not fill in the blanks with superstition and hocus pocus. What is unknown will remain unknown until facts are presented. Their "faith" (if you insist on referring to it as such) is that the whole truth will either be revealed or it won't. I think acceptance with tolerance represents it better than the term faith.

xfrodobagginsx;1527367 wrote: I believe that Christianity is backed up by the facts ..
"Facts"? The facts back up the existence of Christ as having been one of the thousands of prophets.

xfrodobagginsx;1527367 wrote: ... but there is also faith involved because God requires it.
There are no facts that god requires anything from mankind.



xfrodobagginsx;1527367 wrote: The evidence does NOT contradict Christianity.
The evidence contradicts the bible.

xfrodobagginsx;1527367 wrote: Ok so you are calling all of the eyewitness writers of the Bible liars?
I am calling the authors of the bible tellers of fantasy. Whether or not they are liars depends upon what they expect of the reader.

xfrodobagginsx;1527367 wrote: You don't think Jesus performed any miracles
I do not BELIEVE Jesus performed many miracles. You seem to be very selective in using terms such as "think" and "believe". Are you intentionally being evasive?

xfrodobagginsx;1527367 wrote: I would assume you don't believe that He fulfilled any prophecies ....
There is absoulety no doubt about it. Jesus DID NOT fulfill the prophecies.

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So then do you believe in Evolution or don't you?

The facts show that Christ was not a mere prophet, but in Fact, God in the flesh. I am curious to know, if you don't believe that the Bible is true, what leads you to believe that He was a prophet? The facts that God requires FAITH in Him from mankind is in the Bible.

You can assert that the evidence contradicts the Bible, but it doesn't. What evidence do you have that goes directly contradictory to the Bible?

Well, the writers of the Bible say that the things recorded are true and they are eyewitnesses to the events, so you are in fact calling them liars.

I can prove that Jesus Christ did fulfill the prophecies. He actually fulfilled over 100 in His first coming alone. I can give you a list of them.

So, since you don't believe eyewitnesses tell the truth, I ask you, should all of the eyewitness testimony that is submitted in courts of law each day be omitted?

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xfrodobagginsx;1527403 wrote: So then do you believe in Evolution or don't you?


I don't believe in anything that hasn't been fully proven. I believe in the parts that are proven.

xfrodobagginsx;1527403 wrote: The facts show that Christ was not a mere prophet, but in Fact, God in the flesh.


This is utterly ridculous not to mention it is a blasphemy.

xfrodobagginsx;1527403 wrote: I am curious to know, if you don't believe that the Bible is true ¦..


The facts disprove the bible.

xfrodobagginsx;1527403 wrote: ¦. what leads you to believe that He was a prophet?


Historical facts.

xfrodobagginsx;1527403 wrote: The facts that God requires FAITH in Him from mankind is in the Bible.


The bible is a work of fantasy. You are not following this dialogue with any degree of earnest.



xfrodobagginsx;1527403 wrote: You can assert that the evidence contradicts the Bible, but it doesn't.


It does.



xfrodobagginsx;1527403 wrote: What evidence do you have that goes directly contradictory to the Bible?


Scientific fact.

xfrodobagginsx;1527403 wrote: Well, the writers of the Bible say that the things recorded are true and they are eyewitnesses to the events, so you are in fact calling them liars.


No, the writers are not eyewitnesses. The writers claim that others claim that there were eyewitnesses. If I tell you that my neighbour says his brother can fly by flapping his arms but I haven't actually seen it myself, who is the liar? Me? My neighbour? His brother?

xfrodobagginsx;1527403 wrote: I can prove that Jesus Christ did fulfill the prophecies. He actually fulfilled over 100 in His first coming alone. I can give you a list of them.


No. This is not true. What might be true is that you are unaware of the deeds upon which the prophecies insist.

xfrodobagginsx;1527403 wrote: So, since you don't believe eyewitnesses tell the truth ¦.


This is a very shoddy statement.

xfrodobagginsx;1527403 wrote: ¦.. I ask you, should all of the eyewitness testimony that is submitted in courts of law each day be omitted?


Bring them before the courts of law and we shall see. Do you agree to the right of cross-examination or is your fundamental argument that their testimony is written for the benefit of second or third hand “witnesses and therefore UNQUESTIONABLE? I remind you that this theoretical court is interested in FACTS, not hearsay, what the authors claim, what those who told the authors claim, or what those who told the claimers claim. Each, in turn, will need to be questioned in this court of law.

Religion is for those who are afraid of dying and any hocus-pocus will do, therefore I do not wish to deny them their need for comfort. For those of us who are tolerant of life and accept death it is an entirely different story. We accept fact alone.

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High Threshold;1527404 wrote: I don't believe in anything that hasn't been fully proven. I believe in the parts that are proven.



This is utterly ridculous not to mention it is a blasphemy.



The facts disprove the bible.



Historical facts.



The bible is a work of fantasy. You are not following this dialogue with any degree of earnest.





It does.





Scientific fact.



No, the writers are not eyewitnesses. The writers claim that others claim that there were eyewitnesses. If I tell you that my neighbour says his brother can fly by flapping his arms but I haven't actually seen it myself, who is the liar? Me? My neighbour? His brother?



No. This is not true. What might be true is that you are unaware of the deeds upon which the prophecies insist.





This is a very shoddy statement.



Bring them before the courts of law and we shall see. Do you agree to the right of cross-examination or is your fundamental argument that their testimony is written for the benefit of second or third hand “witnesses and therefore UNQUESTIONABLE? I remind you that this theoretical court is interested in FACTS, not hearsay, what the authors claim, what those who told the authors claim, or what those who told the claimers claim. Each, in turn, will need to be questioned in this court of law.

Religion is for those who are afraid of dying and any hocus-pocus will do, therefore I do not wish to deny them their need for comfort. For those of us who are tolerant of life and accept death it is an entirely different story. We accept fact alone.


None of it is proven except the stuff that Creationists already agree with. Look at my discussion with Spot in the "Creationism Disproves Evolution" thread.

It's not Blasphemy to actually believe God. So, are you saying that questioning why you believe Jesus was a prophet, but not God is also Blasphemy? How so? Do you realize that Jesus Christ quoted the Scriptures as authoritative from God and expected us to believe it?

You didn't answer the question, If as you say, the facts disprove the Bible, why do you believe that Jesus Christ was a prophet? What is your source for that belief?

Which Historical facts lead you to believe that He was a prophet, but not who He says He is? Is He a lying prophet?

I am following the dialogue as it comes and with my own thoughts.

Which evidence contradicts the Bible being true? Give me some false assertions that the Bible makes.

It is a Scientific Fact that matter and energy cannot be created nor destroyed via the Laws of Thermodynamics and Conservation of Energy. Yet matter and energy exist. Do you believe this supports God's existence?

You can make the claim that they weren't the eyewitnesses, but the early Church would never have accepted their writings as authentic if they weren't really written by the eyewitnesses. It's the same reason why the Gospel of Mary, Judas and the others were EXCLUDED because they were NOT written by the actual eyewitnesses, but rather they were written 200 years after the events. They certainly were NOT second hand or third hand witnesses. Completely false.

One of the Greatest Lawyers of all time examined the Resurrection of Christ and concluded that it had more evidence that it is true than any other event in ancient history.

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xfrodobagginsx;1527425 wrote: None of it is proven except the stuff that Creationists already agree with. Look at my discussion with Spot in the "Creationism Disproves Evolution" thread.

It's not Blasphemy to actually believe God. So, are you saying that questioning why you believe Jesus was a prophet, but not God is also Blasphemy? How so? Do you realize that Jesus Christ quoted the Scriptures as authoritative from God and expected us to believe it?

You didn't answer the question, If as you say, the facts disprove the Bible, why do you believe that Jesus Christ was a prophet? What is your source for that belief?

Which Historical facts lead you to believe that He was a prophet, but not who He says He is? Is He a lying prophet?

I am following the dialogue as it comes and with my own thoughts.

Which evidence contradicts the Bible being true? Give me some false assertions that the Bible makes.

It is a Scientific Fact that matter and energy cannot be created nor destroyed via the Laws of Thermodynamics and Conservation of Energy. Yet matter and energy exist. Do you believe this supports God's existence?

You can make the claim that they weren't the eyewitnesses, but the early Church would never have accepted their writings as authentic if they weren't really written by the eyewitnesses. It's the same reason why the Gospel of Mary, Judas and the others were EXCLUDED because they were NOT written by the actual eyewitnesses, but rather they were written 200 years after the events. They certainly were NOT second hand or third hand witnesses. Completely false.

One of the Greatest Lawyers of all time examined the Resurrection of Christ and concluded that it had more evidence that it is true than any other event in ancient history.


Your whole response comes down to this simple and repetitive, red herring theme of yours > > > > >

xfrodobagginsx;1527425 wrote: Which Historical facts lead you to believe that He was a prophet, but not who He says He is? Is He a lying prophet?


The answer to your question is (and always will be) in the very simple FACT that Jesus did not write the bible. Basing credence of a labyrinth of concocted events, primitive superstition, and pure fantasy on a work of fiction lends not an once of weight to the reams upon reams of hocus-pocus accredited to Jesus Christ. The foundation upon which the polytheistic trinity claims to be one god is as ridiculous as is supernatural water into wine and resurrections.

As I did say in my previous post, I am not in the business of dislodging your "faith" because I am sympathetic to those whose fear of dying and whose lives seem without purpose otherwise crave a "reason for being". I am merely stating the facts as they are. If what I have to say is too devastating for your "faith" to continue then perhaps I should end this dialogue here and now.

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High Threshold;1527427 wrote: Your whole response comes down to this simple and repetitive, red herring theme of yours > > > > >



The answer to your question is (and always will be) in the very simple FACT that Jesus did not write the bible. Basing credence of a labyrinth of concocted events, primitive superstition, and pure fantasy on a work of fiction lends not an once of weight to the reams upon reams of hocus-pocus accredited to Jesus Christ. The foundation upon which the polytheistic trinity claims to be one god is as ridiculous as is supernatural water into wine and resurrections.

As I did say in my previous post, I am not in the business of dislodging your "faith" because I am sympathetic to those whose fear of dying and whose lives seem without purpose otherwise crave a "reason for being". I am merely stating the facts as they are. If what I have to say is too devastating for your "faith" to continue then perhaps I should end this dialogue here and now.


I would disagree with you that Jesus didn't write the Bible. I believe He DID write the Bible via the Holy Spirit and inspiration, howbeit, Jesus didn't pen it.

How do you explain the Secular and other writings that support Christianity from Christ's day and shortly thereafter?

I am not afraid of dying because I know who my Lord and Savior is. IF I were not a Christian, I would be terrified of death, not because I would cease to exist, but because I believe I would exist forever in torment and suffering.

Your words are not devastating to my faith as you have not disproven my faith in the slightest. You may believe it's a bunch of lies, but I know better. You making a bunch of false assertions that contradicts the actual evidence doesn't bother me in the slightest. I know it's false. No doubt in my mind because I KNOW God.

God has directed my life and revealed Himself to me in many ways. I have even seen true blue miracles in my family. Would you like to hear about one? See if you can explain it. What do you think?

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xfrodobagginsx;1527457 wrote: I would disagree with you that Jesus didn't write the Bible. I believe He DID write the Bible via the Holy Spirit and inspiration, howbeit, Jesus didn't pen it.
Hocus pocus. I don't write checks any longer. It cramps my fingers so I let the holy spirit do it for me.

xfrodobagginsx;1527457 wrote: How do you explain the Secular and other writings that support Christianity from Christ's day and shortly thereafter?
I have adequately answered this question already.

xfrodobagginsx;1527457 wrote: I am not afraid of dying because I know who my Lord and Savior is. IF I were not a Christian, I would be terrified of death, not because I would cease to exist, but because I believe I would exist forever in torment and suffering.
So, if you didn't believe in religious superstition, you'd be afraid of death. That is EXACTLY what I told you.

xfrodobagginsx;1527457 wrote: Your words are not devastating to my faith ¦..
That is because I am being diplomatic and trying to avoid ruining the comfort of your blanket. I explained that to you already. Perhaps you ought to thank me.

xfrodobagginsx;1527457 wrote: ¦. as you have not disproven my faith in the slightest.
Your only proof is based upon a book that Jesus Christ didn't even write. The bible is a work of mythology.

xfrodobagginsx;1527457 wrote: You may believe it's a bunch of lies ¦..
Why do you insist on saying it is all lies and attributing it to me?

xfrodobagginsx;1527457 wrote: ¦. but I know better.
You don't actually know anything. You admitted it yourself that your convictions a based upon faith.

xfrodobagginsx;1527457 wrote: I also know God.
That is not true. You don't even speak to him. You are compelled to ask Jesus to relay your message.

xfrodobagginsx;1527457 wrote: He has directed my life and revealed Himself to me in many ways.
As I said, you have no communication with god.

xfrodobagginsx;1527457 wrote: I have even seen true blue miracles in my family. Would you like to hear about one?
No thank you. I have seen Vincent Vega and Jules Winnfield leave the apartment together unscathed already. That's enough for me.

xfrodobagginsx;1527457 wrote: See if you can explain it. What do you think?
I am certain that you have a perfectly sufficient superstitious explanation.

There is really only one western religion .... and that is Judaism. Christianity is nothing more than an amendment. Protestants made an additional amendment to the first one and Islam is also an amendment. In essence, Christianity and Islam are cults.

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High Threshold;1527460 wrote: Hocus pocus. I don't write checks any longer. It cramps my fingers so I let the holy spirit do it for me.

I have adequately answered this question already.

So, if you didn't believe in religious superstition, you'd be afraid of death. That is EXACTLY what I told you.

That is because I am being diplomatic and trying to avoid ruining the comfort of your blanket. I explained that to you already. Perhaps you ought to thank me.

Your only proof is based upon a book that Jesus Christ didn't even write. The bible is a work of mythology.

Why do you insist on saying it is all lies and attributing it to me?

You don't actually know anything. You admitted it yourself that your convictions a based upon faith.

That is not true. You don't even speak to him. You are compelled to ask Jesus to relay your message.

As I said, you have no communication with god.



No thank you. I have seen Vincent Vega and Jules Winnfield leave the apartment together unscathed already. That's enough for me.

I am certain that you have a perfectly sufficient superstitious explanation.

There is really only one western religion .... and that is Judaism. Christianity is nothing more than an amendment. Protestants made an additional amendment to the first one and Islam is also an amendment. In essence, Christianity and Islam are cults.


The Bible isn't a check or money order. God had a specific purpose to reveal His will to mankind through it. If you don't like God's methods, then take it up with Him.

I don't think you have answered the question other than that you believe in facts only. So, then what you are saying is that you don't believe anything that is written down?

You told me that I believe in God to comfort myself from the fear of death. I am telling you that I believe in God and as a result of already believing in God and salvation through Christ, I am not afraid of death. I said I would afraid to die IF I didn't have Christ because hell is a real, eternal place of torment. If I didn't believe in God, I wouldn't believe in hell, but also, I am sure if I would fear death or not. So it's not the same as you said.

There is nothing you could say to me that would take my comfort away in Christ. You can't prove the Bible is false. All you can do is make assertions and accusations. I am a truth seeker and everything that I have researched always goes back to God being real and the Bible being true. Not afraid of you or anything that you might say.

The Book fits together in a way that no man could have ever written and it's extended over a 1600 year period by 40 authors. The prophecies contained are overwhelming evidence to anyone who honestly seeks the truth. The fact that Israel exists is overwhelming evidence of it being God's Word.

You are the one who said it was lies, then when I repeat what you say, you get offended?

No, I do know, you don't.

I have lots of communication with God, even in the last hour.

I can give you accounts of true, blue miracles that you can't explain away. By the fact that you aren't interested in hearing them, it tells me that you have little interest in looking for the truth, but rather are comfortable with your current false beliefs.

Judaism is before the Cross of Christ, it's God's story of how He prepared a Messiah to come out of the nation of Israel and How He will rule and reign the whole earth from Israel. Christianity, is after the resurrection and how because Israel rejected their Messiah, God extended salvation to the entire world. After the rapture of the Church and the Tribulation, Christ will return to the earth and the Jews will accept their Messiah.

Islam is a cult, I agree, but Christianity is not. I don't think you know the definition of a cult. Christianity was written by the actual eyewitnesses to the events, islam was not. Islam directly contradicts the eyewitness accounts of the Bible and Secular Historians. The Bible is affirmed by Secular History. Christianity is God's invitation to the world the gift of salvation. Judaism is God's invitation to Israel the gift of salvation. The Jews are an earthly people with earthly blessings. The Christians are a heavenly people with heavenly blessings. The Jews were promised wealth and prosperity from God. Let me ask you...Are the Jews wealthy?

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xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: If you don't like God's methods, then take it up with Him.


Which god shall I ask? They all have different methods.

xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: You told me that I believe in God to comfort myself from the fear of death.
Exactly ¦ and you admitted it.

xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: I am telling you that I believe in God and as a result of already believing in God and salvation through Christ,
That makes absolutely no sense at all.

xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: I am not afraid of death.
You contradict yourself and you have already put your foot in it. Repeating it only makes it worse.

xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: I said I would afraid to die IF I didn't have Christ
Exactly, You just admitted it again.

xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: ¦ because hell is a real, eternal place of torment.
And where is your proof?

xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: If I didn't believe in God, I wouldn't believe in hell,
No doubt.

xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: ¦ but also, I am sure if I would fear death or not.�* So it's not the same as you said.�*
You've already admitted it twice. Death frightens you so you trust in religion to calm your fears. This is the A to Z of religion.

xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: There is nothing you could say to me that would take my comfort away in Christ.
How many times is it necessary for me to tell you that I am sparing you that discomfort by being as diplomatic as possible?

xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: You can't prove the Bible is false.
LOL. I do not base my life on fiction. It is you who ought to try proving the bible is not false in order to quell your fear of dying.

xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: All you can do is make assertions and accusations.
Which is exactly what people who trust the bible do.

xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: I am a truth seeker and everything that I have researched always goes back to God being real and the Bible being true
Yet you cannot prove the bible is the work of god, Jesus or even an accurate account of either of them. Fact and science say otherwise.

xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: Not afraid of you or anything that you might say.
I am pleased to hear that.

xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: The Book fits together in a way that no man could have ever written and it's extended over a 1600 year period by 40 authors.
The fact that it has been written and re-written by 40 different authors really should give you a clue that it is a work of fiction.

xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: The prophecies contained are overwhelming evidence to anyone who honestly seeks the truth. The fact that Israel exists is overwhelming evidence of it being God's Word.
So is it your conviction that god is chairman of the U.N. or are you saying that historical evidence of Israel is all there is needed to convince you that Jesus was jumping though hoops without a net? That is one very huge disconnect.

xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: You are the one who said it was lies, then when I repeat what you say, you get offended?
Me being offended? How's what? What part of my fact-base have you shaken?

xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: I have lots of communication with God, even in the last hour.
That is not true. As a Christian, you are not allowed to communicate with god. Communicating directly with god is a Jewish and Islamic thing. Christians have to check-in at the front desk with Christ and ask him to relay the message. You can convince me I am wrong by recoding god's response and let me have a listen to it.

xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: I can give you accounts of true, blue miracles that you can't explain away.
I very seriously question the validity of those so-called “true accounts. You have not presented a “true account anywhere in this dialogue so far.

xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: By the fact that you aren't interested in hearing them, it tells me that you have little interest in looking for the truth, but rather are comfortable with your current false beliefs.
The fact that I am not interested should tell you that I have grown out of believing in superstitious myths.

xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: Judaism is before the Cross of Christ, it's God's story of how He prepared a Messiah to come out of the nation of Israel and How He will rule and reign the whole earth from Israel.�* Christianity, is after the resurrection and how because Israel rejected their Messiah, God extended salvation to the entire world.�* After the rapture of the Church and the Tribulation, Christ will return to the earth and the Jews will accept their Messiah.
You do not understand Judaism. Those who claim Jesus to be the messiah are blasphemers.

xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: Islam is a cult, I agree, but Christianity is not.
Both Christianity and Islam are cults because they have blasphemed and corrupted the Jewish scriptures.

xfrodobagginsx;1527501 wrote: Christianity is God's invitation to the world the gift of salvation.�* Judaism is God's invitation to Israel the gift of salvation.�* The Jews are an earthly people with earthly blessings.�* The Christians are a heavenly people with heavenly blessings.�* The Jews were promised wealth and prosperity from God.�* Let me ask you...Are the Jews wealthy?
Wow! I don't believe it! You have just cut the legs out from under Christianity single-handedly and you do not even understand what you just said. With that simple paragraph, you prove that Christianity is a cult that blasphemes the whole basis of the messiah. I didn't have have to lift a finger. You did it all yourself.

THE BOTTOM LINE: You have contradicted yourself time and time again during this dialogue and have BY YOUR OWN WORDS discredited Christianity. I must tell you that discrediting Christianity was never my purpose and I did what I could to avoid it. However, you inadvertently destroyed Christianity in your last comments. So don't blame me for it. I would have been happy to leave you in your own self-proclaimed bliss. Too bad it didn't turn out that way.

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High Threshold;1527505 wrote: Which god shall I ask? They all have different methods.



Exactly ¦ and you admitted it.

That makes absolutely no sense at all.



You contradict yourself and you have already put your foot in it. Repeating it only makes it worse.

Exactly, You just admitted it again.

And where is your proof?

No doubt.

You've already admitted it twice. Death frightens you so you trust in religion to calm your fears. This is the A to Z of religion.

How many times is it necessary for me to tell you that I am sparing you that discomfort by being as diplomatic as possible?

LOL. I do not base my life on fiction. It is you who ought to try proving the bible is not false in order to quell your fear of dying.

Which is exactly what people who trust the bible do.

Yet you cannot prove the bible is the work of god, Jesus or even an accurate account of either of them. Fact and science say otherwise.

I am pleased to hear that.

The fact that it has been written and re-written by 40 different authors really should give you a clue that it is a work of fiction.

So is it your conviction that god is chairman of the U.N. or are you saying that historical evidence of Israel is all there is needed to convince you that Jesus was jumping though hoops without a net? That is one very huge disconnect.

Me being offended? How's what? What part of my fact-base have you shaken?

That is not true. As a Christian, you are not allowed to communicate with god. Communicating directly with god is a Jewish and Islamic thing. Christians have to check-in at the front desk with Christ and ask him to relay the message. You can convince me I am wrong by recoding god's response and let me have a listen to it.

I very seriously question the validity of those so-called “true accounts. You have not presented a “true account anywhere in this dialogue so far.

The fact that I am not interested should tell you that I have grown out of believing in superstitious myths.

You do not understand Judaism. Those who claim Jesus to be the messiah are blasphemers.

Both Christianity and Islam are cults because they have blasphemed and corrupted the Jewish scriptures.

Wow! I don't believe it! You have just cut the legs out from under Christianity single-handedly and you do not even understand what you just said. With that simple paragraph, you prove that Christianity is a cult that blasphemes the whole basis of the messiah. I didn't have have to lift a finger. You did it all yourself.

THE BOTTOM LINE: You have contradicted yourself time and time again during this dialogue and have BY YOUR OWN WORDS discredited Christianity. I must tell you that discrediting Christianity was never my purpose and I did what I could to avoid it. However, you inadvertently destroyed Christianity in your last comments. So don't blame me for it. I would have been happy to leave you in your own self-proclaimed bliss. Too bad it didn't turn out that way.


The only true God, the God of the Bible is who you should ask.

That's not what I said, I said I believe in God and it does bring me comfort, but it's not why I believe in Him. I believe in Him because it's true and the evidence backs it up.

It makes perfect sense to those who are Born again in Christ. He gives you a new Spirit, which is very tangible and communes with God in a Spiritual, but real way that a non Born Again person cannot comprehend because they are dead Spiritually.

When did I say otherwise? I don't fear death BECAUSE I have Christ. If I didn't, I would be afraid of the Judgement to come.

My proof is in the Words of Jesus Christ who created all things, came down from His throne to this earth, fulfilled hundreds of prophecies, performed miracles in front of thousands of people, predicted His own death and resurrection and then died and rose again. It's recorded by the Eyewitnesses and the Historians of His day and shortly after. The explosion of Christianity shortly thereafter. Had He not risen again, He would have been exposed as a fraud and Christianity would have died out right then, but the opposite happened, now didn't it?

Right.

You still aren't getting it. I didn't say that. I said that I don't fear death because I have Christ. I don't believe in Him because I fear death. I don't fear death because I believe in Him. If I didn't have Christ, the reason I would fear death is because I would fear the Judgement. So again, you are wrong.

No, I actually believe the Bible is true because of the way it was written by 40 authors over a 1600 year period, in 3 languages, in different parts of the world and YET it fits together as if it were written by one person. That's because it was inspired by the Holy Ghost.

Not True.

The prophecies fulfilled in the Bible and the way the Bible fits together prove it's inspiration. I just addressed that above.

You seem to think that I fear my beliefs being scrutinized. I don't because the truth is on the Lord's side, not yours.

Complete non sense. It has NOT been written and re written by 40 authors. It shows your ignorance of the way it was written now. The Bible has NEVER been re written. The 66 books that make up the entire Bible were written by 40 different people via the Holy Spirit. Since they lived in different times, in different parts of the world and many didn't have access to the other writings, I ask you: How did they know what the others said to have it fit together as it does?

I just proved it.

Like I said, you are showing your ignorance of Christianity. I have been a Christian since I was 4 years old. Christians talk to God and have a real relationship with Him. It's muslims that don't have a personal relationship with God. Jews of old, under the law used to, but since they rejected their Messiah, they are estranged until the Church is taken out of the way, then Christ will be accepted by them and their fellowship with God will be restored.

No, Jesus isn't going to be chairman of the UN. He is going to be KING of the World and rule and reign from Jerusalem. The dome of the rock, where that giant, satanic mosque is? That's where Christ's throne will be. satan wants what belongs to God, which is why there is currently a mosque there.

Well you could not explain these miracles and I don't need you to approve, I KNOW they happened whether you believe it or not.

No, you never disproved anything about Christianity or Judaism. I just told you the truth and you obviously couldn't comprehend it because it was too Spiritually deep for you.

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xfrodobagginsx;1527532 wrote: The only true God, the God of the Bible is who you should ask.

That's not what I said, I said I believe in God and it does bring me comfort, but it's not why I believe in Him. I believe in Him because it's true and the evidence backs it up.

It makes perfect sense to those who are Born again in Christ. He gives you a new Spirit, which is very tangible and communes with God in a Spiritual, but real way that a non Born Again person cannot comprehend because they are dead Spiritually.

When did I say otherwise? I don't fear death BECAUSE I have Christ. If I didn't, I would be afraid of the Judgement to come.

My proof is in the Words of Jesus Christ who created all things, came down from His throne to this earth, fulfilled hundreds of prophecies, performed miracles in front of thousands of people, predicted His own death and resurrection and then died and rose again. It's recorded by the Eyewitnesses and the Historians of His day and shortly after. The explosion of Christianity shortly thereafter. Had He not risen again, He would have been exposed as a fraud and Christianity would have died out right then, but the opposite happened, now didn't it?

Right.

You still aren't getting it. I didn't say that. I said that I don't fear death because I have Christ. I don't believe in Him because I fear death. I don't fear death because I believe in Him. If I didn't have Christ, the reason I would fear death is because I would fear the Judgement. So again, you are wrong.

No, I actually believe the Bible is true because of the way it was written by 40 authors over a 1600 year period, in 3 languages, in different parts of the world and YET it fits together as if it were written by one person. That's because it was inspired by the Holy Ghost.

Not True.

The prophecies fulfilled in the Bible and the way the Bible fits together prove it's inspiration. I just addressed that above.

You seem to think that I fear my beliefs being scrutinized. I don't because the truth is on the Lord's side, not yours.

Complete non sense. It has NOT been written and re written by 40 authors. It shows your ignorance of the way it was written now. The Bible has NEVER been re written. The 66 books that make up the entire Bible were written by 40 different people via the Holy Spirit. Since they lived in different times, in different parts of the world and many didn't have access to the other writings, I ask you: How did they know what the others said to have it fit together as it does?

I just proved it.

Like I said, you are showing your ignorance of Christianity. I have been a Christian since I was 4 years old. Christians talk to God and have a real relationship with Him. It's muslims that don't have a personal relationship with God. Jews of old, under the law used to, but since they rejected their Messiah, they are estranged until the Church is taken out of the way, then Christ will be accepted by them and their fellowship with God will be restored.

No, Jesus isn't going to be chairman of the UN. He is going to be KING of the World and rule and reign from Jerusalem. The dome of the rock, where that giant, satanic mosque is? That's where Christ's throne will be. satan wants what belongs to God, which is why there is currently a mosque there.

Well you could not explain these miracles and I don't need you to approve, I KNOW they happened whether you believe it or not.

No, you never disproved anything about Christianity or Judaism. I just told you the truth and you obviously couldn't comprehend it because it was too Spiritually deep for you.


THIS IS VERY SIMPLE

1. Without religion, you fear death. I accept that and I do not deny you your need for “a meaning in life.

2. You base your guidance for life's “meaning on the bible which has been proven to be a fictional story ... but that's OK too. As long as you find something that will ease your existence on earth then I am happy for you.

3. I personally don't waste my time on earth following lost sandals, discarded gourds or primitive superstitions but whatever seat on the train you prefer is your business. I see no problem, do you?

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High Threshold;1527537 wrote: THIS IS VERY SIMPLE

1. Without religion, you fear death. I accept that and I do not deny you your need for “a meaning in life.

2. You base your guidance for life's “meaning on the bible which has been proven to be a fictional story ... but that's OK too. As long as you find something that will ease your existence on earth then I am happy for you.

3. I personally don't waste my time on earth following lost sandals, discarded gourds or primitive superstitions but whatever seat on the train you prefer is your business. I see no problem, do you?


1) I don't fear death. I fear God and I fear hell. I fear the consequence of denying the Faith in Christ.

2) The Bible has NOT been "proven to be false" it has been proven to be true, time and time again. I feel sorry for you when you stand before the Lord if you don't wake up and realize this.

3) I wouldn't waste my time on earth on those things either. I spend my time studying the truth. I feel that you DO waste your time on those things if you reject Christ and His Word. I have no problem at all.

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xfrodobagginsx;1527571 wrote: 1) I don't fear death. I fear God and I fear hell. I fear the consequence of denying the Faith in Christ.

2) The Bible has NOT been "proven to be false" it has been proven to be true, time and time again. I feel sorry for you when you stand before the Lord if you don't wake up and realize this.

3) I wouldn't waste my time on earth on those things either. I spend my time studying the truth. I feel that you DO waste your time on those things if you reject Christ and His Word. I have no problem at all.


It is very clear to even a casual observer that you are both envious and frightened of me. That's too bad because between the two of us it is I who is the tolerant one.

One of the worst things about Christianity is its' intolerance. We agnostics tolerate everyone and so do the Jews. In fact, the Jews give gentiles the benefit of the doubt and place very little responsibility upon them. So Christians are both blasphemous and demonic. Blasphemous because they have smote the definition of the Messiah (and his deeds). Demonic because they claim that non-Christian will be punished in an un-Holy existence in the hereafter. Tsk-tsk. Christianity is an offensive religion that is based upon bigotry. It is a cult - a devious and twisted corruption of Judaic philosophy.

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High Threshold;1527605 wrote: It is very clear to even a casual observer that you are both envious and frightened of me. That's too bad because between the two of us it is I who is the tolerant one.

One of the worst things about Christianity is its' intolerance. We agnostics tolerate everyone and so do the Jews. In fact, the Jews give gentiles the benefit of the doubt and place very little responsibility upon them. So Christians are both blasphemous and demonic. Blasphemous because they have smote the definition of the Messiah (and his deeds). Demonic because they claim that non-Christian will be punished in an un-Holy existence in the hereafter. Tsk-tsk. Christianity is an offensive religion that is based upon bigotry. It is a cult - a devious and twisted corruption of Judaic philosophy.


Not even close. You are full of wishful thinking. If I was afraid of you, I wouldn't engage you. I know who my God is and it is crystal clear to me.

You are the tolerant one and I am not? Why because you aren't calling me names and insulting me like so many non Christians do these days? That makes you more tolerant than me? I don't think so. Christians don't do that as a rule of thumb. You do that and you think it makes you more tolerant than I am.

Christianity isn't intolerant, Liberalism is. If you are referring to Liberals, then you have it backward, because they are the most intolerant people on the planet. They expect everyone in the world to agree with them or they get angry, violent and hateful. Then they accuse their victims of being angry, violent and hateful. How ironic.

Christians simply disagree and voice their opinion and believe in doing it in love and tolerance, but the mere act of disagreeing with Liberals is seen as intolerant as they act violent and hateful and angry, name calling. Christians and Conservatives don't do that for the most part. There may be an occasional intolerant person, but it's a tiny minority.

Christians worship God, that's not blasphemy or demonic. You have a completely backward way of thinking. Christians show tolerance and love and then those who are trashing them, angry, violent and hateful accuse them of being intolerant.

Christians actually believe God and His Word. We believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah because that's what the Bible says and it is God's Word. God's Word says that the non Christian will be punished for their sins because they REFUSE to believe God. Without faith, it is impossible to please God. God is the King, not your or I.

The bigots are the ones who get violent, angry and hateful toward Christians for believing the truth about God and His Word.

To not believe that Christians have a right to believe what they want, even if it goes against what YOU have freedom to believe, is intolerant, hateful and bigoted. It's ironic how you have it completely backward.

Judaism was primarily for the Jews. Christianity is primarily for the Gentiles. Christ is the Jewish Messiah and they rejected Him. By rejecting Him, the Jews opened the door for Gentiles like me to obtain Salvation by Grace through Faith in the Living God, believing that Jesus Christ died and rose again, shedding His blood for our sins. To reject that is blasphemy. God is right, you are wrong.

If you hate me for my beliefs and want to force me to agree with you, then you are hateful, bigoted, and angry. Christians don't do that.

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Happy Sunday! Find a good Bible Believing Church and attend.

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xfrodobagginsx;1527630 wrote: Not even close. You are full of wishful thinking. If I was afraid of you, I wouldn't engage you. I know who my God is and it is crystal clear to me.

You are the tolerant one and I am not? Why because you aren't calling me names and insulting me like so many non Christians do these days? That makes you more tolerant than me? I don't think so. Christians don't do that as a rule of thumb. You do that and you think it makes you more tolerant than I am.

Christianity isn't intolerant, Liberalism is. If you are referring to Liberals, then you have it backward, because they are the most intolerant people on the planet. They expect everyone in the world to agree with them or they get angry, violent and hateful. Then they accuse their victims of being angry, violent and hateful. How ironic.

Christians simply disagree and voice their opinion and believe in doing it in love and tolerance, but the mere act of disagreeing with Liberals is seen as intolerant as they act violent and hateful and angry, name calling. Christians and Conservatives don't do that for the most part. There may be an occasional intolerant person, but it's a tiny minority.

Christians worship God, that's not blasphemy or demonic. You have a completely backward way of thinking. Christians show tolerance and love and then those who are trashing them, angry, violent and hateful accuse them of being intolerant.

Christians actually believe God and His Word. We believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah because that's what the Bible says and it is God's Word. God's Word says that the non Christian will be punished for their sins because they REFUSE to believe God. Without faith, it is impossible to please God. God is the King, not your or I.

The bigots are the ones who get violent, angry and hateful toward Christians for believing the truth about God and His Word.

To not believe that Christians have a right to believe what they want, even if it goes against what YOU have freedom to believe, is intolerant, hateful and bigoted. It's ironic how you have it completely backward.

Judaism was primarily for the Jews. Christianity is primarily for the Gentiles. Christ is the Jewish Messiah and they rejected Him. By rejecting Him, the Jews opened the door for Gentiles like me to obtain Salvation by Grace through Faith in the Living God, believing that Jesus Christ died and rose again, shedding His blood for our sins. To reject that is blasphemy. God is right, you are wrong.

If you hate me for my beliefs and want to force me to agree with you, then you are hateful, bigoted, and angry. Christians don't do that.
Christianity is based on bigoted intolerance & hate and they say you have to agree with them or you will go to hell. That is the scare tactic they use and why Christians stand on street corners preaching hate & intimidation ¦...... banging on your door to do more of it. As I've already said, Christianity is a demonic cult that blasphemes the benevolent teaching of Judaism with superstition about reincarnations and other polytheistic hocus pocus that denies Christians access to god and denies non-Christians access heaven. Christianity is evil. It is the work of Satan, repulsing god as the creator and replacing it with superstitious threats.

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High Threshold;1527641 wrote: Christianity is based on bigoted intolerance & hate and they say you have to agree with them or you will go to hell. That is the scare tactic they use and why Christians stand on street corners preaching hate & intimidation ¦...... banging on your door to do more of it. As I've already said, Christianity is a demonic cult that blasphemes the benevolent teaching of Judaism with superstition about reincarnations and other polytheistic hocus pocus that denies Christians access to god and denies non-Christians access heaven. Christianity is evil. It is the work of Satan, repulsing god as the creator and replacing it with superstitious threats.


FALSE and lies. Give me some of these so called bigoted and intolerant things. We do believe that you must place your faith in Christ or go to hell because that's what Jesus actually said. So, what you are really doing is calling Jesus Christ intolerant, hateful, bigoted for saying those things because the message came from Him.

You keep claiming that Christianity is evil, bigoted, satanic, ect. But you can't tell me your reasons for saying that other than that they knock on people's doors to warn them that they need Jesus and they believe that Jesus is the only way to heaven and if you reject Christ you will go to hell. Well, they aren't physically controlling anyone. They aren't forcing you to believe God. They aren't getting in your face and physically attacking people who disagree with them. They aren't trying to destroy their lives. They aren't harassing them. They aren't trying to censor opposing views. BUT these things ARE done by the Democrats and Liberals in America. So who are the REAL haters? It's not the one's who share the message of Christ.

Christianity doesn't blaspheme Judaism. Christians use the OT all of the time. It is still God's Word. It's just that we are in a different dispensation right now. The Jews and Israel will turn back to God and accept their Messiah, Jesus Christ and be back in His will after the Church is removed from the earth via the rapture of the Church. Christians LOVE Israel and the Jews because they are God's chosen race, but they are out of God's will right now due to their rejection of their Messiah. I support Israel and it's right to exist. That land belongs to the Jew only, not the Christians and not the muslims, ONLY the Jews.

You sound like you may be Jewish and you sound like you have a false view of Christianity.

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Not sure why you are so hostile to Christians. Do the reasons you listed justify your claims of Christians? No they do not.

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xfrodobagginsx;1527760 wrote: Not sure why you are so hostile to Christians. Do the reasons you listed justify your claims of Christians? No they do not.


Watching what many of the so-called Christians are doing these days, it is not hard to imagine why some people have developed hostile attitudes towards Christians.

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LarsMac;1527768 wrote: Watching what many of the so-called Christians are doing these days, it is not hard to imagine why some people have developed hostile attitudes towards Christians.


What are they doing that makes people develop a hostile, violent and hateful attitude toward them while accusing them of being hostile, hateful and violent?

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xfrodobagginsx;1527779 wrote: What are they doing that makes people develop a hostile, violent and hateful attitude toward them while accusing them of being hostile, hateful and violent?


Where would you like to start?

The Crusades? The Reformation? Witch Hunts? Slavery? Segregation?

These were all either inspired by the Church, supported by the Church.

From my own personal experiences, I watched "Good Christians" Beat a Black man to death because he was in the wrong part of town. I watched "Good Christians" spit on young children, because they were Black.

"Good Christians" have been some of the most hateful people I have ever known.

I personally know a lot of Christians who are good people, and I don't hold the behavior of a few against all of them. But I would suggest that there are a lot of people who may.

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xfrodobagginsx;1527747 wrote: Give me some of these so called bigoted and intolerant things
* Christians say that if you are not Christian you will go to hell

* Christians claim that there is only one god but say there are three gods.

* Christians say that you cannot believe in god (and cannot have any communication with god) if you do not believe in Jesus as god's hocus-pocus son.

xfrodobagginsx;1527747 wrote: So, what you are really doing is calling Jesus Christ intolerant, hateful, bigoted for saying those things because the message came from Him.
No, it is the followers of Christianity who are intolerant, hateful, and bigoted because Christ never said those things. The bible is a work of fiction.

xfrodobagginsx;1527747 wrote: You keep claiming that Christianity is evil, bigoted, satanic, ect
Christianity is evil, bigoted, satanic, etc. some of the reasons I have just given you.

xfrodobagginsx;1527747 wrote: Christianity doesn't blaspheme Judaism.
Christianity blasphemes the messiah who is defined by Judaism long before christ was born.

xfrodobagginsx;1527747 wrote: You sound like you may be Jewish
You sound like you are not paying attention to anything I tell you.

xfrodobagginsx;1527760 wrote: Not sure why you are so hostile to Christians.


Between the two of us I am the tolerant one. FACT: Agnostism is tolerant. Christinaity is intolerant.

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LarsMac;1527768 wrote: Watching what many of the so-called Christians are doing these days, it is not hard to imagine why some people have developed hostile attitudes towards Christians.


Good point.

[Ahso!]

xfrodobagginsx;1527779 wrote: What are they doing Speaking only for myself, I don't hate Christians, though I abhor Christianity. What's frustrating about Christians is they do is what you do constantly, and that's lie. You lie about everything in order to gain a hormone release to feel good like any addict. For example, you claim to have learned about Evolution both in high school and college, yet you know nothing about the subject, so either you are incredibly dense or you lie, and I can't imagine anyone being that dense.

I realize you and your mind had been hijacked and gone through lots of conditioning at some point by a cult and you're incapable of thinking for yourself. You're like a crack addict going about looking for your next fix. The way out of your predicament is to quit the lying first. Your addiction won't allow you to heed my advice until you face the first lie you tell yourself each minute and that is the fact that you've been brainwashed. What makes that so difficult is that that means indicting some people who claim to care for you, even though what they actually are are your crack dealers.

[High Threshold]

Ahso!;1527792 wrote: Speaking only for myself, I don't hate Christians, though I abhor Christianity. What's frustrating about Christians is they do is what you do constantly, and that's lie. You lie about everything in order to gain a hormone release to feel good like any addict. For example, you claim to have learned about Evolution both in high school and college, yet you know nothing about the subject, so either you are incredibly dense or you lie, and I can't imagine anyone being that dense.

I realize you and your mind had been hijacked and gone through lots of conditioning at some point by a cult and you're incapable of thinking for yourself. You're like a crack addict going about looking for your next fix. The way out of your predicament is to quit the lying first. Your addiction won't allow you to heed my advice until you face the first lie you tell yourself each minute and that is the fact that you've been brainwashed. What makes that so difficult is that that means indicting some people who claim to care for you, even though what they actually are are your crack dealers.


" ... either .... incredibly dense or you lie ... "?

I'm not sure myself but I prefer to think of them as 'selectively ignorant'. Naturally, because their ignorance is selective (in that they specifically choose what facts to resist) it is difficult not to see them as 'liars'.

[Ahso!]

High Threshold;1527800 wrote: " ... either .... incredibly dense or you lie ... "?

I'm not sure myself but I prefer to think of them as 'selectively ignorant'. Naturally, because their ignorance is selective (in that they specifically choose what facts to resist) it is difficult not to see them as 'liars'.They don't choose anything, they go to their dealers for their what should I say/think fix. The idea of choice has been locked up in a cage in their minds. It remains there through constant feeding of crack (religious doctrine).

[High Threshold]

Ahso!;1527810 wrote: They don't choose anything, they go to their dealers for their what should I say/think fix.
You mean the bible or what they think the interpretation of it should be?

Ahso!;1527810 wrote: The idea of choice has been locked up in a cage in their minds.
That's a good point, really. It's locked up beyond the reach of reason, logic, and question. No tolerance of free-thinking. That's one of the things I admire the Jews, that they have an open and on-going debate and discussion about what they think god expects and it's all written down for scrutiny.

Ahso!;1527810 wrote: It remains there through constant feeding of crack (religious doctrine).
:)

[xfrodobagginsx]

LarsMac;1527780 wrote: Where would you like to start?

The Crusades? The Reformation? Witch Hunts? Slavery? Segregation?

These were all either inspired by the Church, supported by the Church.

From my own personal experiences, I watched "Good Christians" Beat a Black man to death because he was in the wrong part of town. I watched "Good Christians" spit on young children, because they were Black.

"Good Christians" have been some of the most hateful people I have ever known.

I personally know a lot of Christians who are good people, and I don't hold the behavior of a few against all of them. But I would suggest that there are a lot of people who may.


The Crusades was a retaliation for hundreds of years of oppression, women being abducted into slavery, murder, rape torture by the muslims. Basically, doing the same stuff they do today with ISIS and other Terrorist groups. The Protestant reformation? Uhh, not sure why that is a bad thing. It was a good thing.

Slavery? Every nation, culture and religion in the world had slavery interwoven into it. The US was one of the first nations to abolish slavery because they Christian Republicans fought against it. Abe Lincoln was the first Republican President. The Democrats supported slavery.

Muslims abducted and sold slaves all over the world. In fact, they still practice slavery to this very day. Does that bother you?

You are trying to blame Christians for these sins, but in fact it was the Democrats in the US that supported these very things, not the Republicans.

You didn't see good Christians beat a black man to death or spit on a black girl. I doubt they were even Christians. They were likely KKK members, which is NOT a Christian organization. They are a hate group. The KKK was started and supported by the Democrats. Even if they were Christians, they were NOT doing what the Bible actually says to do now were they? Jesus says to love your neighbor.

Anyway, I see Liberals running around preaching tolerance, love and inclusion, while practicing hate, harrassment, screaming down those who they disagree with, attacking Christians and Conservatives at rallies, Paying people to beat them up and do racist things to them and then blaming it on Trump supporters, trying to legally shut down free speech, right to protect themselves, black balling them from employment, running businesses out of business for not agreeing with them and promoting their views, falsely accusing them of hate, intolerance and bigotry while being hateful, intolerant and bigoted. A Conservative speaker can't go to a Liberal University without riots, protests, violence and threats, but a Liberal speaker never has to worry about these things. Trump supporters are physically attacked, but Obama supporters were never attacked. Falsely accused of being racist because they don't agree with the Liberal position.

If the Conservatives did those things to Liberals would that be ok?

[LarsMac]

xfrodobagginsx;1527864 wrote: The Crusades was a retaliation for hundreds of years of oppression, women being abducted into slavery, murder, rape torture by the muslims. Basically, doing the same stuff they do today with ISIS and other Terrorist groups. The Protestant reformation? Uhh, not sure why that is a bad thing. It was a good thing.

Slavery? Every nation, culture and religion in the world had slavery interwoven into it. The US was one of the first nations to abolish slavery because they Christian Republicans fought against it. Abe Lincoln was the first Republican President. The Democrats supported slavery.

Muslims abducted and sold slaves all over the world. In fact, they still practice slavery to this very day. Does that bother you?


You REALLY should study more history.

The Crusades were started by the Pope (Urban II, if I remember correctly) to try and wrest the Holy Land from the Evil Muslims.

The US was NOT among the first nation to abolish slavery. Yes, The Republicans of the day supported Abolition, but the Republicans of today don't get to take credit for that. And The Republicans were perfectly happy to leave Slavery alone in the South, until the Southern States seceded the Union.

All those Democrats who wanted to preserve Slavery were "Good Christians", too. They had a whole list of Bible passages that they claimed supported Slavery.

xfrodobagginsx;1527864 wrote:

You are trying to blame Christians for these sins, but in fact it was the Democrats in the US that supported these very things, not the Republicans.

You didn't see good Christians beat a black man to death or spit on a black girl. I doubt they were even Christians. They were likely KKK members, which is NOT a Christian organization. They are a hate group. The KKK was started and supported by the Democrats. Even if they were Christians, they were NOT doing what the Bible actually says to do now were they? Jesus says to love your neighbor.

Anyway, I see Liberals running around preaching tolerance, love and inclusion, while practicing hate, harrassment, screaming down those who they disagree with, attacking Christians and Conservatives at rallies, Paying people to beat them up and do racist things to them and then blaming it on Trump supporters, trying to legally shut down free speech, right to protect themselves, black balling them from employment, running businesses out of business for not agreeing with them and promoting their views, falsely accusing them of hate, intolerance and bigotry while being hateful, intolerant and bigoted. A Conservative speaker can't go to a Liberal University without riots, protests, violence and threats, but a Liberal speaker never has to worry about these things. Trump supporters are physically attacked, but Obama supporters were never attacked. Falsely accused of being racist because they don't agree with the Liberal position.

If the Conservatives did those things to Liberals would that be ok?


I will give you some of that. No, those people were not, by any means I can think of actually Good Christians. But, they claimed to be Christians, and that is what people see "Christians" doing.

Good Christians should be shutting down that kind of behavior, rather that letting it stand and blaming the victims.

[High Threshold]

xfrodobagginsx;1527864 wrote: The Crusades was a retaliation for hundreds of years of oppression ..............
Oh yeah, "Turn the other cheek" must be a Muslim thing. I get Muslims and Christians confused quite a lot lately. I should know better with Christian-dominated nations', illegal, "RETALIATORY" invasions of Muslim countries such as Irak, Iran, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. Those Muslims have a whole lot of atonement to pay for all of that "oppression", particulalry the opression of oil.

[Raphael]

High Threshold;1527871 wrote: Oh yeah, "Turn the other cheek" must be a Muslim thing. I get Muslims and Christians confused quite a lot lately. I should know better with Christian-dominated nations', illegal, "RETALIATORY" invasions of Muslim countries such as Irak, Iran, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. Those Muslims have a whole lot of atonement to pay for all of that "oppression", particulalry the opression of oil.


Please do not be so nasty about extremist groups like the US .

They have to undergo huge deprivations in their kind attempt to police the planet .

[LarsMac]

"We would like a church that again asserts that God, not nations, rules the world, that the boundaries of God's kingdom transcend those of Caesar, and that the main political task of the church is the formation of people who see clearly the cost of discipleship and are willing to pay the price."

-- Stanley Hauerwas, "Resident Aliens: Life in the Christian Colony".

[xfrodobagginsx]

LarsMac;1527870 wrote: You REALLY should study more history.

The Crusades were started by the Pope (Urban II, if I remember correctly) to try and wrest the Holy Land from the Evil Muslims.

The US was NOT among the first nation to abolish slavery. Yes, The Republicans of the day supported Abolition, but the Republicans of today don't get to take credit for that. And The Republicans were perfectly happy to leave Slavery alone in the South, until the Southern States seceded the Union.

All those Democrats who wanted to preserve Slavery were "Good Christians", too. They had a whole list of Bible passages that they claimed supported Slavery.



I will give you some of that. No, those people were not, by any means I can think of actually Good Christians. But, they claimed to be Christians, and that is what people see "Christians" doing.

Good Christians should be shutting down that kind of behavior, rather that letting it stand and blaming the victims.


The Crusades were a Defensive Response to Islamic Aggression and Expansion. Yes the muslims were evil, like they are today. They were murdering, enslaving, raping and robbing people all over Europe. They were abducting the women and making them sex slaves. So, are you telling me that if your mother, sister and family, friends had this happen to them that you wouldn't do anything to rescue them? Is that the kind of person you are?

Yes, the US was among the first nations to abolish slavery. The Republicans get full credit for abolishing slavery. If it were up to the Democrats, they would have kept it. Just like the Democrats voted for Jim Crow laws and Separate but equal laws. It was the Republicans who were always against them.

I am sure that some of the Southerners who supported slavery, may have been Christians, but I am not sure that they were good Christians. There was a place for slavery in the Bible. It wasn't the same type of slavery as the Southerners practiced. By the way only 2% of Americans even owned slaves. Slavery in the Bible was used to pay off a debt and it was only for a period of 7 years. The Bible also condemns stealing a man against his will for slavery and says that they are to be put to death. Did you know that?

I am curious to know, since muslims still practice slavery to this day, and they murder gays, are they good or bad?

So basically, you have no good reason to call Christians evil, hateful, demonic blasphemers.

Are muslims evil, hateful demonic blasphemers? What about Jews? What about the rest of the world? Because they ALL practiced slavery since the history of the world.

I am 100% against slavery in the involuntary form that it became. But in ancient history it had a purpose. Many would have died had they not voluntarily made their selves slaves to pay off their debt. They wouldn't have been able to survive on their own.

The Crusades: A Defensive Response to Islamic Aggression and Expansion

https://nightwatchsite.wordpress.com/20 ... expansion/

[LarsMac]

xfrodobagginsx;1527946 wrote: The Crusades were a Defensive Response to Islamic Aggression and Expansion. Yes the muslims were evil, like they are today. They were murdering, enslaving, raping and robbing people all over Europe. They were abducting the women and making them sex slaves. So, are you telling me that if your mother, sister and family, friends had this happen to them that you wouldn't do anything to rescue them? Is that the kind of person you are?

Yes, the US was among the first nations to abolish slavery. The Republicans get full credit for abolishing slavery. If it were up to the Democrats, they would have kept it. Just like the Democrats voted for Jim Crow laws and Separate but equal laws. It was the Republicans who were always against them.

I am sure that some of the Southerners who supported slavery, may have been Christians, but I am not sure that they were good Christians. There was a place for slavery in the Bible. It wasn't the same type of slavery as the Southerners practiced. By the way only 2% of Americans even owned slaves. Slavery in the Bible was used to pay off a debt and it was only for a period of 7 years. The Bible also condemns stealing a man against his will for slavery and says that they are to be put to death. Did you know that?

I am curious to know, since muslims still practice slavery to this day, and they murder gays, are they good or bad?

So basically, you have no good reason to call Christians evil, hateful, demonic blasphemers.

Are muslims evil, hateful demonic blasphemers? What about Jews? What about the rest of the world? Because they ALL practiced slavery since the history of the world.

I am 100% against slavery in the involuntary form that it became. But in ancient history it had a purpose. Many would have died had they not voluntarily made their selves slaves to pay off their debt. They wouldn't have been able to survive on their own.

The Crusades: A Defensive Response to Islamic Aggression and Expansion

https://nightwatchsite.wordpress.com/20 ... expansion/


You asked why so many people dislike Christians, these days.

I offered some reasons.

Your reactions is to point to the behavior of other, non-Christians. We are discussing Christians, and THEIR behavior.

[xfrodobagginsx]

High Threshold;1527781 wrote: * Christians say that if you are not Christian you will go to hell

* Christians claim that there is only one god but say there are three gods.

* Christians say that you cannot believe in god (and cannot have any communication with god) if you do not believe in Jesus as god's hocus-pocus son.

No, it is the followers of Christianity who are intolerant, hateful, and bigoted because Christ never said those things. The bible is a work of fiction.

Christianity is evil, bigoted, satanic, etc. some of the reasons I have just given you.

Christianity blasphemes the messiah who is defined by Judaism long before christ was born.

You sound like you are not paying attention to anything I tell you.



Between the two of us I am the tolerant one. FACT: Agnostism is tolerant. Christinaity is intolerant.


Christians believe what the Bible says. You are angry with Christians for actually believing God that those who reject Christ will go to hell.

Christians do NOT believe in 3 Gods, we believe in 1 God, but 3 personalities because the Bible says it all throughout.

Christians believe that you cannot commune with God without the Son, being born again, yes because the Bible says so and we actually believe God. So you are again angry with Christians for believing God.

No, Christians aren't intolerant, angry and hateful, people like you are. What it comes down to is that you hate them for believing God. You are going in the way of Cain who hated and killed his brother for believing God. All Cain had to do is obey God, but he refused to do so.

Christians do not blaspheme the Messiah, Jesus Christ. False. I can show you in the Jewish Torah/OT where it describes Jesus Christ to a tee and that He is the Messiah, that He would be killed, ect. It's undeniable.

By the way of the two of us, I am the tolerant one. I have done nothing to you except tell you what Christians believe because that is what the Bible says. Too bad if you don't like it. You are the hateful one for denying Christians the right to believe as they will. They aren't bothering you, don't bother them.