How To Get To Heaven When You Die

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:31 pm

Ted;1515983 wrote: Xfrod he was talking to a demon!!! Nonsense.

I can prove it. When you bring up the name and blood of Christ, they get violent/hostile or leave immediately. One or the other.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:00 am

xfrodobagginsx;1516075 wrote: God IS Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent that IS the Biblical God and the only true God. He IS all good and powerful.

Why do we have all those horrible diseases killing innocent children and grownups?

If your god is all good, then why doesn't he do something about that?

If your god is all powerful, why doesn't he do something about it?

Before you start rambling on with your stupid bible verses, I'll answer those questions myself.

Your god is no good and no powerful and non existent.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:14 am

Ahso!;1516052 wrote: Existence is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. Either something or someone exists or doesn't. The fact that he/she/it are not there and never have been is proof enough for rational people.

But God does exist. He resides in the Spirit realm. He WAS here physically in the form of Jesus Christ.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:06 pm

Ahso!;1516053 wrote: Everything. Let's start with those IQ tests you've claimed. Show them to be in your bible.

Which IQ tests were you referring?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:54 am

xfrodobagginsx;1516170 wrote: Which IQ tests were you referring?You claimed Adam had a higher IQ than people today. I'm asking how you know that to be true? Show me the IQ tests.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:37 pm

Ahso!;1516179 wrote: You claimed Adam had a higher IQ than people today. I'm asking how you know that to be true? Show me the IQ tests.

Of course he didn't take an IQ test. It's based on a couple reasons. 1# Because the DNA hadn't been corrupted by the replication process because he was the first human. #2 Because the earth was like a giant hyperbaric chamber which allowed more oxygen to be injected into his blood, cells, tissues. #3 The fact that so much ancient technology cannot be replicated today, even with modern technology. #4 The fact that language is getting less complex than it used to be, not more. Those are 4 reasons off the cuff.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:54 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1516200 wrote: Of course he didn't take an IQ test. It's based on a couple reasons. 1# Because the DNA hadn't been corrupted by the replication process because he was the first human. #2 Because the earth was like a giant hyperbaric chamber which allowed more oxygen to be injected into his blood, cells, tissues. #3 The fact that so much ancient technology cannot be replicated today, even with modern technology. #4 The fact that language is getting less complex than it used to be, not more. Those are 4 reasons off the cuff.None of that is factual. You simply made it all up (well, probably not you. Somebody).

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:56 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1516200 wrote: Of course he didn't take an IQ test. It's based on a couple reasons. 1# Because the DNA hadn't been corrupted by the replication process because he was the first human. #2 Because the earth was like a giant hyperbaric chamber which allowed more oxygen to be injected into his blood, cells, tissues. #3 The fact that so much ancient technology cannot be replicated today, even with modern technology. #4 The fact that language is getting less complex than it used to be, not more. Those are 4 reasons off the cuff.

I gotta ask, where in the Hell did you come up with THAT nonsense?

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:06 am

Ahso!;1516179 wrote: You claimed Adam had a higher IQ than people today. I'm asking how you know that to be true? Show me the IQ tests.

Silly bugger, who needs IQ tests when it's all written in the book or can be made up as one goes?:wah: Theists are so full of 5hit.:-5

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:20 pm

A tad creative.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:57 pm

Fuzzy;1516085 wrote: Why do we have all those horrible diseases killing innocent children and grownups?

If your god is all good, then why doesn't he do something about that?

If your god is all powerful, why doesn't he do something about it?

Before you start rambling on with your stupid bible verses, I'll answer those questions myself.

Your god is no good and no powerful and non existent.

The reason that we have bad things happen is because of sin entering the world and thus a curse. That's why Jesus Christ came to this earth, to lift the sin curse. Why doesn't God act faster you mean? I believe He is teaching believers a lesson for eternity of what happens when sin enters the world.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:08 pm

Ahso!;1516202 wrote: None of that is factual. You simply made it all up (well, probably not you. Somebody).

Actually no. The languages ARE getting less complicated. Look at English even 400 years ago. Shakespeare? King James Version? The language is MUCH more complex. It's true for all languages. That there are structures such as the Pyramids that we couldn't build today with our modern technology is true also. Let alone how would they have done it without our technology? The DNA and the Hyperbaric chamber are based on Scientific findings of Creation Scientists.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:52 am

xfrodobagginsx;1516200 wrote: Of course he didn't take an IQ test. It's based on a couple reasons. 1# Because the DNA hadn't been corrupted by the replication process because he was the first human. #2 Because the earth was like a giant hyperbaric chamber which allowed more oxygen to be injected into his blood, cells, tissues. #3 The fact that so much ancient technology cannot be replicated today, even with modern technology. #4 The fact that language is getting less complex than it used to be, not more. Those are 4 reasons off the cuff.
IQ is generally misinterpretted. Despite the 'I' standing for 'Intelligence', it isn't a measure of Intelligence, per se. It's a measure of Problem Solving abilities. Rats, Crows & Squirrels are very good at Problem Solving & therefore are deemed as having high IQs. Adam & Eve, however, apparently had not problems to solve, as they had everything handed to them on a plate.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:11 am

xfrodobagginsx;1516050 wrote: If you really believe that God doesn't exist, why are you so vigilant to try and prove me wrong regarding His existence? You don't like my view being "Thrust in your face", but you keep clicking on my posts that talk about it? Interesting. You just can't handle hearing the opinions of anyone who dares to disagree with you. How arrogant of you.
Once again the argument of a False Premise. At no time have I ever tried to prove the non existence of God, as I know that it is impossible to prove the non-existence of anything. You cannot disprove a negative. You can only prove a positive, and because there has, as yet, been nothing to prove the existence of a God I believe (not 'know') that this is because there is nothing there to be proved in the first place. It is a known thing that Nature Abhors A Vaccuum. Similarly, Human Nature also abhors a vaccuum when it comes to understanding something. When it encounters something it doesn't understand, as with Maths, it has a tendency to attribute an unknown variable to it, and that unknown variable is the imaginary existence of a God. "I don't know, therefore God did it". What we don't know about the Universe greatly outweighs that which we understand, and always will. However, we are continuing to learn & eliminate the Religious Superstition & Myths. This is why in the Middle Ages Scientific Research was made illegal as with more Scientific understanding of reality, the concept of a God became much weaker - in the eyes of the Church, Ignorance is Bliss. The same applies to Genesis. As soon as Eve ate from the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge (not an apple, as commonly believed) nothing was as simple as they had previously believed. Indeed, it is is also said that Michelangelo's painting of the Creation of Adam in the Sistine Chapel depicts 'God' as being a brain, with the cherubs being the brain itself, and the outer skull as the blanket, if you see what I mean. The irony of this being is that autopsies & knowledge of human anatomy were strictly forbidden by the Church at the time.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:01 pm

ForPart Good posts. Just do not tar all so called Christians with the same brush.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:22 pm

Fuzzy;1516206 wrote: Silly bugger, who needs IQ tests when it's all written in the book or can be made up as one goes?:wah: Theists are so full of 5hit.:-5

Are you saying that they had IQ tests back 6000 years ago?

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:55 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1516317 wrote: Are you saying that they had IQ tests back 6000 years ago?

No, I'm not saying that. They probably didn't have IQ tests then. It would have made your god look more stupid than he is already. That's if he was given a test.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:24 am

Ted;1516213 wrote: A tad creative.

Creative?

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sun Dec 24, 2017 2:49 pm

Creative111

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:13 pm

Merry Christmas Everyone!!#

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:27 pm

'New evidence' about location of Noah's Ark

‘New evidence’ about location of Noah’s Ark

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:01 pm

FourPart;1516264 wrote: IQ is generally misinterpretted. Despite the 'I' standing for 'Intelligence', it isn't a measure of Intelligence, per se. It's a measure of Problem Solving abilities. Rats, Crows & Squirrels are very good at Problem Solving & therefore are deemed as having high IQs. Adam & Eve, however, apparently had not problems to solve, as they had everything handed to them on a plate.

I could agree with most of that.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:51 am

FourPart;1516266 wrote: Once again the argument of a False Premise. At no time have I ever tried to prove the non existence of God, as I know that it is impossible to prove the non-existence of anything. You cannot disprove a negative. You can only prove a positive, and because there has, as yet, been nothing to prove the existence of a God I believe (not 'know') that this is because there is nothing there to be proved in the first place. It is a known thing that Nature Abhors A Vaccuum. Similarly, Human Nature also abhors a vaccuum when it comes to understanding something. When it encounters something it doesn't understand, as with Maths, it has a tendency to attribute an unknown variable to it, and that unknown variable is the imaginary existence of a God. "I don't know, therefore God did it". What we don't know about the Universe greatly outweighs that which we understand, and always will. However, we are continuing to learn & eliminate the Religious Superstition & Myths. This is why in the Middle Ages Scientific Research was made illegal as with more Scientific understanding of reality, the concept of a God became much weaker - in the eyes of the Church, Ignorance is Bliss. The same applies to Genesis. As soon as Eve ate from the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge (not an apple, as commonly believed) nothing was as simple as they had previously believed. Indeed, it is is also said that Michelangelo's painting of the Creation of Adam in the Sistine Chapel depicts 'God' as being a brain, with the cherubs being the brain itself, and the outer skull as the blanket, if you see what I mean. The irony of this being is that autopsies & knowledge of human anatomy were strictly forbidden by the Church at the time.

The fact that matter and energy exist is strong evidence of God. The fact that objexts mive is strong evidence if God. Order is strong evidence of God. DNA is string evidence if God. many more...

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:42 pm

Ted;1516285 wrote: ForPart Good posts. Just do not tar all so called Christians with the same brush.

Interesting

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:07 am

Happy New Year...Christ was born Appx 2018 years ago

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:26 pm

Universe a result of random forces? Not likely

Universe a result of random forces? Not likely

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:49 pm

That link gives a blank monitor.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:52 pm

Jesus of Nazareth was born sometime around BCE 004. We all know how babies are created and he was no different. But his teachings were very different., And we do not know what time of year he was born in. For political reasons it was picked to be Christmas to produce some opposition to a pagan festival.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:01 pm

Fuzzy;1516318 wrote: No, I'm not saying that. They probably didn't have IQ tests then. It would have made your god look more stupid than he is already. That's if he was given a test.

I hope you realize that you are going to be held accountable for everything you say about Him. He created all things including you, so if you think He's dumb, remember that He created you and that would mean that you aren't as smart as He is. The fact is that He is all knowing and far above anything that you can comprehend, but because you don't believe in Him or trust Him, He looks foolish to you. Use logic. If He's smart enough to create all that exists, He can't be dumb. In fact, He is all knowing, all powerful and omnipresent.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:44 pm

Ted;1516340 wrote: Creative111

Ok then

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:11 am

xfrodobagginsx;1516531 wrote: I hope you realize that you are going to be held accountable for everything you say about Him. He created all things including you, so if you think He's dumb, remember that He created you and that would mean that you aren't as smart as He is. The fact is that He is all knowing and far above anything that you can comprehend, but because you don't believe in Him or trust Him, He looks foolish to you. Use logic. If He's smart enough to create all that exists, He can't be dumb. In fact, He is all knowing, all powerful and omnipresent.

Why don't you open your eyes and look around? If your stupid god created this planet for us, he did a crap job. He is the worst creator of all creators ever known.

He/she/it couldn't run a chook raffle or a piss up in a brewery. And you know why? Because things are as they are, your imaginary friend is just that, imaginary.

Wake up and see the light. Ooops you can't do that? Alright just carry on then quoting the stupid bible.

There is no cure for your mental condition.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:16 am

Ted;1516529 wrote: That link gives a blank monitor.

I fixed the link. It should work now

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:37 pm

Sorry but I believe the Noah story to be a legend at best. Looking at that picture makes one wonder how long it took to put that "ship" together. Consider the trees had to be cut by hand and the lumber had to be cut by hand. and then the whole thing hahad to be assembled. Then of course one has to ask which Noah story.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:54 pm

Ted;1516530 wrote: Jesus of Nazareth was born sometime around BCE 004. We all know how babies are created and he was no different. But his teachings were very different., And we do not know what time of year he was born in. For political reasons it was picked to be Christmas to produce some opposition to a pagan festival.

I agree that He was born around BC 4. He was also predicted to be born of a virgin hundreds of years before that. We all know what a virgin is and Mary was no different. His teachings are from God. No we don't know what time of year He was born in. It's not important either. It is true that the reason that Christmas is celebrated on December 25 is because the Catholics (I am not Catholic) converted pagans to Christ and didn't want to take away their long held traditions so they converted them to celebrating Christ's birth instead. So what? Christians can celebrate any day they want. Pagans don't have a monopoly on days, trees, lights, gifts, ect.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:36 pm

Fuzzy;1516540 wrote: Why don't you open your eyes and look around? If your stupid god created this planet for us, he did a crap job. He is the worst creator of all creators ever known.

He/she/it couldn't run a chook raffle or a piss up in a brewery. And you know why? Because things are as they are, your imaginary friend is just that, imaginary.

Wake up and see the light. Ooops you can't do that? Alright just carry on then quoting the stupid bible.

There is no cure for your mental condition.

No, He didn't do a crap job. It has been corrupted by sin. Jesus came to redeem the creation, but it's still in a fallen state.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:03 am

Ted;1516563 wrote: Sorry but I believe the Noah story to be a legend at best. Looking at that picture makes one wonder how long it took to put that "ship" together. Consider the trees had to be cut by hand and the lumber had to be cut by hand. and then the whole thing hahad to be assembled. Then of course one has to ask which Noah story.

It took over 100 years. There are flood legends in every culture around the world. Because it really happened and we all decended from Noah and his family from that point

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:31 am

Wishing you all a Happy New Year.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:29 pm

Oops! Scientific retraction a major blow to evolution theory

Oops! Scientific retraction a major blow to evolution theory

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:40 pm

Oops! Scientific retraction a major blow to evolution theory

Oops! Scientific retraction a major blow to evolution theory

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:55 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1516649 wrote: It took over 100 years. There are flood legends in every culture around the world. Because it really happened and we all decended from Noah and his family from that point

Okay, let me ask you a question that got me kicked out of Sunday School a few decades ago. We know that a cubit is the length of a man's forearm. The Bible is specific as to the dimensions of the ark, in cubits. It wasn't a huge boat, by today's standards.

If evolution is wrong, then Noah would have to visit Australia, New Zealand, southern Africa, north and south America and many other places to round up the unique species found there. He would then have to navigate back to each of those locations as the flood waters receded. That is a journey of many tens of thousands of miles.

How many mosquitoes were on the ark? What did the carnivores eat? What did everyone else eat?

What about those species whose lifespan is less than the length of the flood?

So many questions...

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:44 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1516688 wrote: Oops! Scientific retraction a major blow to evolution theory

Oops! Scientific retraction a major blow to evolution theory

Maybe a blow to the origin of life theory, but not to evolutionary theories.

Sorry.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:11 am

Believers are desperately clinging to the book of lies/bs and manage to find new evidence for their twisted beliefs on you tube every day.

Did you know that anyone can upload any sort of crap on you tube and get away with it?

The idiots will have to die out, because there's no way they will see the light before 'Game Over'.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:47 pm

Wandrin;1516693 wrote: Okay, let me ask you a question that got me kicked out of Sunday School a few decades ago. We know that a cubit is the length of a man's forearm. The Bible is specific as to the dimensions of the ark, in cubits. It wasn't a huge boat, by today's standards.

If evolution is wrong, then Noah would have to visit Australia, New Zealand, southern Africa, north and south America and many other places to round up the unique species found there. He would then have to navigate back to each of those locations as the flood waters receded. That is a journey of many tens of thousands of miles.

How many mosquitoes were on the ark? What did the carnivores eat? What did everyone else eat?

What about those species whose lifespan is less than the length of the flood?

So many questions...

It was still a very large boat by today's standards. Noah wouldn't have had to visit all of those places because the ice age actually happened shortly after the flood and the animals would have been able to walk to those places. Some of the unique species native to those places must have decended from the arc to those places and was isolated after the ice age ended. I don't know how many mosquitos were on the ark, but they actually wouldn't have had to have them on the arc. They could survive a flood I am sure. The larvae begin in the water anyway. The carnivores ate meat or whatever Noah fed them. The brought food for the arc. They could also fish I am sure. For more info on this topic visit The Institute for Creation Research | The Institute for Creation Research if you really want these answers and are not just fishing to try and "Stump" me. If you were given the answers would you believe? IF there were species who's lifespan was less than 1 year, they either could probably survive without being on the arc or they likely had babies on the arc. Remember that man and animals lived about 10x longer then than the do now. Noah lived over 900 years.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:11 am

LarsMac;1516695 wrote: Maybe a blow to the origin of life theory, but not to evolutionary theories.

Sorry.

There is plenty of evidence to debunk Darwinian Evolution. Pahu does a great job of providing lots of it.

Post by **LarsMac** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:58 am

xfrodobagginsx;1516766 wrote: There is plenty of evidence to debunk Darwinian Evolution. Pahu does a great job of providing lots of it.

What do you know of Darwinian Evolution, aside from what people like Pahu have fed you.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:16 pm

Fuzzy;1516700 wrote: Believers are desperately clinging to the book of lies/bs and manage to find new evidence for their twisted beliefs on you tube every day.

Did you know that anyone can upload any sort of crap on you tube and get away with it?

The idiots will have to die out, because there's no way they will see the light before 'Game Over'.

You can make those claims all you want, it's not true. The evidence is on the side of the Christians, NOT the evolutionists. The twisted beliefs are the evolutionary ones.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:55 pm

LarsMac;1516770 wrote: What do you know of Darwinian Evolution, aside from what people like Pahu have fed you.

My knowledge of Darwinian Evolution vs Creation Science is not from Pahu at all, although I do admire what Pahu is doing.

What the Schools and Academia are failing to tell you is that there are different types of evolution. They lump all evolution into the same category and it confuses people into thinking that Darwinian evolution is true when it isn't.

Lateral Adaptation is a type of evolution that is within the species. It is basically a reshuffling of existing DNA within the species. E.g. If the climate gets colder, the animals with a thicker coat of hair are going to tend to survive. We get that. We also agree that mutations happen. What never happens in nature is one type of an animal evolving into another. You have millions of fossils of each kind of animal. You see those animal kinds and varieties such as the Canine, Dog family. You have wolves, coyotes, foxes, husky, German shepherds, ect. what you should notice is that they always stay dogs, even though they are different breeds, you never see a half breed of a dog family and the feline cat family per se. Never ever. Another example horses, you have Mustangs, Colts, Thorough bred, Zebras and hundreds of other types of horses. What you never see is a half horse, half other kind of animal such as a half horse half moose per se. It doesn't happen. The REASON that this never happens is also scientific, but the evolutionists won't tell you. In order for it to happen there must be an increase in genetic information, DNA. This has never been observed to happen ever. Even Richard Dawkins admitted that it's never been observed and I posted a video of him a while back where he was stumped by the question.

There are millions of Ape fossils, which man supposedly came from. There are millions of human fossils. But there aren't any in between fossils except for a few here and there fossils which evolutionists claim are a link, but upon further research all turn out to be false. There should be millions of missing links if darwinian evolution were true and there are not.

There are other reasons that prove evolution false, which evolutionists can't be honest about because it proves them wrong. Dinosaurs supposedly died out 65 million years before man walked the earth. If that were proven wrong, it would prove evolution wrong because they need that to be true for their theory to work. The problem is that there is a mountain of evidence historically that shows that dinosaurs indeed lived with men. There are historical writings by famous people including Alexander the Great and others regarding Dragons (Dinosaurs). There are cave drawings from thousands of years ago of dinosaurs, scuptures, dinosaur foot print with a man's footprint inside of it.

These are just a few reasons off the top of my head. I rarely visit Pahu's thread, but when I do, he always has good info and most of those here blow it off and or mock him.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:27 am

LarsMac;1516695 wrote: Maybe a blow to the origin of life theory, but not to evolutionary theories.

Sorry.

The RNA and/or DNA would have to replicate in order for Darwinian Evolution to occur.

"Szostak’s study reopens what is perhaps the largest hole in evolutionary theory, as scientists remain unable to explain how the building blocks of life were “spontaneously created. "

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:07 pm

7 2017 archaeological finds pointing to Jesus, biblical truths

Read more at 7 2017 archaeological finds pointing to Jesus, biblical truths

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:59 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1516807 wrote:

I rarely visit Pahu's thread, but when I do, he always has good info and most of those here blow it off and or mock him.

Because it is the only way to deal with religionists. You just can't have a logical conversation with idiots.