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Aliens are really demonic creatures:
The Premise Of Spiritual Warfare
The Premise Of Spiritual Warfare
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xfrodobagginsx;1514015 wrote: I would encourage anyone who hasn't to read this first post and praythat prayer at the bottom of it to God from your heart.
The god you are praying to is nothing but a complete a$$hole.
The god you are praying to is nothing but a complete a$$hole.
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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xfrodobagginsx;1514032 wrote: Aliens are really demonic creatures:
The Premise Of Spiritual WarfareFear! - The heart and soul of Christian upbringing. You've already decided who is your enemy before even knowing anything about them.
The Premise Of Spiritual WarfareFear! - The heart and soul of Christian upbringing. You've already decided who is your enemy before even knowing anything about them.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
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I have only one thing to do and that's
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Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
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Fuzzy;1514033 wrote: The god you are praying to is nothing but a complete a$$hole.You give credit where none is deserved.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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Ahso!;1514036 wrote: You give credit where none is deserved.
I just didn't want to be rude.:wah:
I just didn't want to be rude.:wah:
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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Fuzzy;1514033 wrote: The god you are praying to is nothing but a complete a$$hole.
I hope you realize that you will stand before Him one day and be charged by every crime if you don't repent and turn to Christ for salvation. I really hope you give the Lord a chance because He's the only true God.
I hope you realize that you will stand before Him one day and be charged by every crime if you don't repent and turn to Christ for salvation. I really hope you give the Lord a chance because He's the only true God.
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xfrodobagginsx;1514063 wrote: I hope you realize that you will stand before Him one day and be charged by every crime if you don't repent and turn to Christ for salvation. I really hope you give the Lord a chance because He's the only true God.
You mean no matter what crimes I have committed or will commit before I die, I will be forgiven if I turn to some idiot with a screw loose?
Sounds good enough to me. I might even see you up there, then we can both tell the old bloke what a failure he is.
All the crimes he has committed make Hitler and Stalin look like saints.:-5:-5:-5
You mean no matter what crimes I have committed or will commit before I die, I will be forgiven if I turn to some idiot with a screw loose?
Sounds good enough to me. I might even see you up there, then we can both tell the old bloke what a failure he is.
All the crimes he has committed make Hitler and Stalin look like saints.:-5:-5:-5
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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xfrodobagginsx;1514063 wrote: I hope you realize that you will stand before Him one day and be charged by every crime if you don't repent and turn to Christ for salvation. I really hope you give the Lord a chance because He's the only true God.There are days and nights in death? I suppose it might be a better choice of words to say "there will come a time", but then, no, unless time is also a part of death. Will heaven and hell both have calendars and clocks?
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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Fuzzy;1514064 wrote: You mean no matter what crimes I have committed or will commit before I die, I will be forgiven if I turn to some idiot with a screw loose?
Sounds good enough to me. I might even see you up there, then we can both tell the old bloke what a failure he is.
All the crimes he has committed make Hitler and Stalin look like saints.:-5:-5:-5
God knows your heart, if you aren't sincere, it's not gonna do you any good.
Sounds good enough to me. I might even see you up there, then we can both tell the old bloke what a failure he is.
All the crimes he has committed make Hitler and Stalin look like saints.:-5:-5:-5
God knows your heart, if you aren't sincere, it's not gonna do you any good.
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Ahso!;1514073 wrote: There are days and nights in death? I suppose it might be a better choice of words to say "there will come a time", but then, no, unless time is also a part of death. Will heaven and hell both have calendars and clocks?
There is no time in the spiritual dimension and some day time won't exist here either.
Re 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
There is no time in the spiritual dimension and some day time won't exist here either.
Re 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
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Ahso!;1514073 wrote: There are days and nights in death? I suppose it might be a better choice of words to say "there will come a time", but then, no, unless time is also a part of death. Will heaven and hell both have calendars and clocks?
There is no time in the spiritual dimension and some day time won't exist here either.
Re 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
My understanding is that it doesn't ever get dark in heaven it's brighter than the sun. In hell it is so dark you can't see your hand in front of your face.
There is no time in the spiritual dimension and some day time won't exist here either.
Re 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
My understanding is that it doesn't ever get dark in heaven it's brighter than the sun. In hell it is so dark you can't see your hand in front of your face.
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xfrodobagginsx;1514087 wrote: God knows your heart, if you aren't sincere, it's not gonna do you any good.
My question was 'You mean no matter what crimes I have committed or will commit before I die, I will be forgiven if I turn to some idiot with a screw loose?'
I take it you can't answer it, therefore you simply repeat nonsense.
My question was 'You mean no matter what crimes I have committed or will commit before I die, I will be forgiven if I turn to some idiot with a screw loose?'
I take it you can't answer it, therefore you simply repeat nonsense.
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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Fuzzy;1514103 wrote: My question was 'You mean no matter what crimes I have committed or will commit before I die, I will be forgiven if I turn to some idiot with a screw loose?'
I take it you can't answer it, therefore you simply repeat nonsense.
I did answer it. You must humble yourself before Him and respect who He is, you can't say things like calling Him some idiot with a screw loose. I take it you know that and you are being sarcastic right? You know that you can't come before God with that attitude right?
I take it you can't answer it, therefore you simply repeat nonsense.
I did answer it. You must humble yourself before Him and respect who He is, you can't say things like calling Him some idiot with a screw loose. I take it you know that and you are being sarcastic right? You know that you can't come before God with that attitude right?
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"You Must" - the age old term of the Power Crazed Radical. You call him God. Islam calls him Allah. Yahweh... Jehovah... All the different Religions all have different names for the same entity, and all are vehemently opposed to each other. All have long histories of atrocities in the name of God (by whichever name they believe they know him), yet one thing they all have in common - they all say "You Must", following through with dire consequences if you don't. Some say that their God gave Man free thought so as to make his own decisions, but then, if he uses that so called God-given Free Will he is to be eternally damned for it - or worse - certain Religions will have you executed in the worst possible manner if you do so.
Religion is the worst obscenity the world has ever invented, and the one that stems from that one of yours is the absolute worst of the worst. There are many terms to define "Evil". "Religion" I believe to be the most precise definition you could ever come up with.
Religion is the worst obscenity the world has ever invented, and the one that stems from that one of yours is the absolute worst of the worst. There are many terms to define "Evil". "Religion" I believe to be the most precise definition you could ever come up with.
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FourPart;1514151 wrote: "You Must" - the age old term of the Power Crazed Radical. You call him God. Islam calls him Allah. Yahweh... Jehovah... All the different Religions all have different names for the same entity, and all are vehemently opposed to each other. All have long histories of atrocities in the name of God (by whichever name they believe they know him), yet one thing they all have in common - they all say "You Must", following through with dire consequences if you don't. Some say that their God gave Man free thought so as to make his own decisions, but then, if he uses that so called God-given Free Will he is to be eternally damned for it - or worse - certain Religions will have you executed in the worst possible manner if you do so.
Religion is the worst obscenity the world has ever invented, and the one that stems from that one of yours is the absolute worst of the worst. There are many terms to define "Evil". "Religion" I believe to be the most precise definition you could ever come up with.
Religion would include Evolution which murdered 6 million Jews and millions of others. Not a single person who has ever murdered anyone else has been following the Bible. Millions who have murdered in the name of islam WERE following the quran.
Religion is the worst obscenity the world has ever invented, and the one that stems from that one of yours is the absolute worst of the worst. There are many terms to define "Evil". "Religion" I believe to be the most precise definition you could ever come up with.
Religion would include Evolution which murdered 6 million Jews and millions of others. Not a single person who has ever murdered anyone else has been following the Bible. Millions who have murdered in the name of islam WERE following the quran.
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xfrodobagginsx;1514156 wrote: Religion would include Evolution which murdered 6 million Jews and millions of others. Not a single person who has ever murdered anyone else has been following the Bible. Millions who have murdered in the name of islam WERE following the quran.
Evolution is nothing to do with Religion except in the minds of Creationists who feel their superstitions threatened. And just how do you make out that Evolution murdered 6 million Jews?
As for killing in the name of Islam, following the Qu'ran - bear in mind that the Qu'ran & the Bible are virtually identical. They have identical characters, just slight variations on the names. They consider Jesus as a Prophet. The stories are the same. The genaeology of the generations is the same. It's the same thing. How about the Holy Crusades? What about the Spanish Inquisition? What about all the massacres of African tribes who refused the "You Must" decrees?
Your statement of blatant ignorance & bigotry has just affirmed exactly what I was saying.
Evolution is nothing to do with Religion except in the minds of Creationists who feel their superstitions threatened. And just how do you make out that Evolution murdered 6 million Jews?
As for killing in the name of Islam, following the Qu'ran - bear in mind that the Qu'ran & the Bible are virtually identical. They have identical characters, just slight variations on the names. They consider Jesus as a Prophet. The stories are the same. The genaeology of the generations is the same. It's the same thing. How about the Holy Crusades? What about the Spanish Inquisition? What about all the massacres of African tribes who refused the "You Must" decrees?
Your statement of blatant ignorance & bigotry has just affirmed exactly what I was saying.
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Try this link to a guy who has been to hell and back. I posted it before, but the link was messed up. Just watch it. It's very interesting.
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FourPart;1514158 wrote: Evolution is nothing to do with Religion except in the minds of Creationists who feel their superstitions threatened. And just how do you make out that Evolution murdered 6 million Jews?
As for killing in the name of Islam, following the Qu'ran - bear in mind that the Qu'ran & the Bible are virtually identical. They have identical characters, just slight variations on the names. They consider Jesus as a Prophet. The stories are the same. The genaeology of the generations is the same. It's the same thing. How about the Holy Crusades? What about the Spanish Inquisition? What about all the massacres of African tribes who refused the "You Must" decrees?
Your statement of blatant ignorance & bigotry has just affirmed exactly what I was saying.
Evolution IS a religion because it's not based on scientific fact. It's based on beliefs and hopes that some day, discoveries will be made to prove it's true. The missing links. The increase in DNA that's never been found. Abiogenesis. Hitler was an evolutionist who wanted to build a "Master Race" because he believed that the Germans were the superior race and that Jews, blacks, ect. were not even human. That's how he justified his evil. It was his Darwinian evolutionary beliefs that were used to justify his crimes. The quran and the Bible identical? Ha ha, no WAY are they identical. They completely contradict each other. mohammad took the Bible hundreds of years after it was completed by the eyewitnesses and twisted it up to make up his false religion. The Bible is backed by the Historians of Christ's day and shortly thereafter, the quran directly contradicts the secular history and the eyewitness testimony of the Bible. The names are the same of the charactors, but the story has been twisted by mohammad to the point where it's not the same person. The crusades were a R E T A L I A T I O N by the European Christians against the muslims for hundreds of years of murder, enslaving their families, ect. The purpose was to free the slaves that were captured by the muslims. Like I said before Christians aren't perfect, but the ones who murder in the name of Christ are NOT following what the Bible actually says to do, but the muslims who murder, rape and destroy ARE following what the quran actually says to do. mohammad was a terrorist, murderer and his deeds were more in line with Osama Bin Laden than any peaceful muslim.
As for killing in the name of Islam, following the Qu'ran - bear in mind that the Qu'ran & the Bible are virtually identical. They have identical characters, just slight variations on the names. They consider Jesus as a Prophet. The stories are the same. The genaeology of the generations is the same. It's the same thing. How about the Holy Crusades? What about the Spanish Inquisition? What about all the massacres of African tribes who refused the "You Must" decrees?
Your statement of blatant ignorance & bigotry has just affirmed exactly what I was saying.
Evolution IS a religion because it's not based on scientific fact. It's based on beliefs and hopes that some day, discoveries will be made to prove it's true. The missing links. The increase in DNA that's never been found. Abiogenesis. Hitler was an evolutionist who wanted to build a "Master Race" because he believed that the Germans were the superior race and that Jews, blacks, ect. were not even human. That's how he justified his evil. It was his Darwinian evolutionary beliefs that were used to justify his crimes. The quran and the Bible identical? Ha ha, no WAY are they identical. They completely contradict each other. mohammad took the Bible hundreds of years after it was completed by the eyewitnesses and twisted it up to make up his false religion. The Bible is backed by the Historians of Christ's day and shortly thereafter, the quran directly contradicts the secular history and the eyewitness testimony of the Bible. The names are the same of the charactors, but the story has been twisted by mohammad to the point where it's not the same person. The crusades were a R E T A L I A T I O N by the European Christians against the muslims for hundreds of years of murder, enslaving their families, ect. The purpose was to free the slaves that were captured by the muslims. Like I said before Christians aren't perfect, but the ones who murder in the name of Christ are NOT following what the Bible actually says to do, but the muslims who murder, rape and destroy ARE following what the quran actually says to do. mohammad was a terrorist, murderer and his deeds were more in line with Osama Bin Laden than any peaceful muslim.
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Try this link to a guy who has been to hell and back. I posted it before, but the link was messed up. Just watch it. It's very interesting.
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xfrodobagginsx;1514149 wrote: I did answer it.
No you didn't. You are evading the question.
Here it comes again, slightly rephrased.
You mean no matter what crimes I have committed or will commit before I die, I will be forgiven if I turn to some guy called Jesus?
Yes or no?
No you didn't. You are evading the question.
Here it comes again, slightly rephrased.
You mean no matter what crimes I have committed or will commit before I die, I will be forgiven if I turn to some guy called Jesus?
Yes or no?
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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Fuzzy;1514171 wrote: No you didn't. You are evading the question.
Here it comes again, slightly rephrased.
You mean no matter what crimes I have committed or will commit before I die, I will be forgiven if I turn to some guy called Jesus?
Yes or no?He could be evading the question (and everything else posted in these threads), though I think he's incapable of recognizing and comprehending any hint of secular language. His brain has been conditioned to only recognize life's language as it's been explained to him. Everything he posts is someone else's thoughts and words. He's incapable of independent thought.
Here it comes again, slightly rephrased.
You mean no matter what crimes I have committed or will commit before I die, I will be forgiven if I turn to some guy called Jesus?
Yes or no?He could be evading the question (and everything else posted in these threads), though I think he's incapable of recognizing and comprehending any hint of secular language. His brain has been conditioned to only recognize life's language as it's been explained to him. Everything he posts is someone else's thoughts and words. He's incapable of independent thought.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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Ahso!;1514176 wrote: He could be evading the question (and everything else posted in these threads), though I think he's incapable of recognizing and comprehending any hint of secular language. His brain has been conditioned to only recognize life's language as it's been explained to him. Everything he posts is someone else's thoughts and words. He's incapable of independent thought.
Yes I think you have a very good point. He will simply carry on as usual. He will never attempt to answer difficult questions, like who created the god you are praying to?
Yes I think you have a very good point. He will simply carry on as usual. He will never attempt to answer difficult questions, like who created the god you are praying to?
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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Fuzzy;1514171 wrote: No you didn't. You are evading the question.
Here it comes again, slightly rephrased.
You mean no matter what crimes I have committed or will commit before I die, I will be forgiven if I turn to some guy called Jesus?
Yes or no?
Ok well this time you didn't say that He had a screw loose and you didn't call Him an idiot. So, now I can say, YES IF you are sincere about it, you believe it in your heart and you humble yourself before Him. Otherwise, NO.
Here it comes again, slightly rephrased.
You mean no matter what crimes I have committed or will commit before I die, I will be forgiven if I turn to some guy called Jesus?
Yes or no?
Ok well this time you didn't say that He had a screw loose and you didn't call Him an idiot. So, now I can say, YES IF you are sincere about it, you believe it in your heart and you humble yourself before Him. Otherwise, NO.
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Dear friends, Take this moment, If you want to accept Jesus Christ free gift of salvation, pray this from your heart, humbly to God:
"Dear Lord Jesus, I believe that You died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, save me, take me to be with You when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen."
If you have placed your faith in Jesus Christ and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven
"Dear Lord Jesus, I believe that You died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, save me, take me to be with You when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen."
If you have placed your faith in Jesus Christ and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven
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Ahso!;1514176 wrote: He could be evading the question (and everything else posted in these threads), though I think he's incapable of recognizing and comprehending any hint of secular language. His brain has been conditioned to only recognize life's language as it's been explained to him. Everything he posts is someone else's thoughts and words. He's incapable of independent thought.
I am not evading anything. He asked me a hypothetical question about someone repenting to God but in a very disrespectful and insincere way. God knows the heart. Everything I am posting is my own thoughts on what I know. You can go to God and call Him stupid and say that He has a screw loose, blaspheming Him and expect Him to give you the gift of salvation. You have to humble yourself before Him and believe it in your heart, place your faith in Him.
I am not evading anything. He asked me a hypothetical question about someone repenting to God but in a very disrespectful and insincere way. God knows the heart. Everything I am posting is my own thoughts on what I know. You can go to God and call Him stupid and say that He has a screw loose, blaspheming Him and expect Him to give you the gift of salvation. You have to humble yourself before Him and believe it in your heart, place your faith in Him.
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xfrodobagginsx;1514195 wrote: Ok well this time you didn't say that He had a screw loose and you didn't call Him an idiot. So, now I can say, YES IF you are sincere about it, you believe it in your heart and you humble yourself before Him. Otherwise, NO.
You don't understand. I was referring to Jesus as an idiot. His dad is the A$$hole.
So, Christians will get away with murder because they believe the A$$hole exists, and of course because he murdered his son to save a bunch of weirdos from their sins which he created in the first place.
Personally, I don't want anyone to die and be resurrected for my sins. It just doesn't make sense. BTW, I haven't committed any sins but made mistakes and errors which I am responsible for, no one else.
You don't understand. I was referring to Jesus as an idiot. His dad is the A$$hole.
So, Christians will get away with murder because they believe the A$$hole exists, and of course because he murdered his son to save a bunch of weirdos from their sins which he created in the first place.
Personally, I don't want anyone to die and be resurrected for my sins. It just doesn't make sense. BTW, I haven't committed any sins but made mistakes and errors which I am responsible for, no one else.
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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Fuzzy;1514212 wrote: You don't understand. I was referring to Jesus as an idiot. His dad is the A$$hole.
So, Christians will get away with murder because they believe the A$$hole exists, and of course because he murdered his son to save a bunch of weirdos from their sins which he created in the first place.
Personally, I don't want anyone to die and be resurrected for my sins. It just doesn't make sense. BTW, I haven't committed any sins but made mistakes and errors which I am responsible for, no one else.
Jesus IS God in the flesh. His Father is of the same mind as Jesus. If He doesn't really exist, why do you have so much anonymity toward Him? You have comitted sins in your last paragraph alone. Every person alive sins daily. Going against God's laws is a sin. Lying, Stealing, Cheating, Lusting after a woman who is not your wife, Adultery, Fornication, Blasphemy, ect. Can you really tell me that you have never committed any of these? This is not a complete list. You committed Blasphemy in your last paragraph which is a very bad sin against God.
So, Christians will get away with murder because they believe the A$$hole exists, and of course because he murdered his son to save a bunch of weirdos from their sins which he created in the first place.
Personally, I don't want anyone to die and be resurrected for my sins. It just doesn't make sense. BTW, I haven't committed any sins but made mistakes and errors which I am responsible for, no one else.
Jesus IS God in the flesh. His Father is of the same mind as Jesus. If He doesn't really exist, why do you have so much anonymity toward Him? You have comitted sins in your last paragraph alone. Every person alive sins daily. Going against God's laws is a sin. Lying, Stealing, Cheating, Lusting after a woman who is not your wife, Adultery, Fornication, Blasphemy, ect. Can you really tell me that you have never committed any of these? This is not a complete list. You committed Blasphemy in your last paragraph which is a very bad sin against God.
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Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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xfrodobagginsx;1514231 wrote: Jesus IS God in the flesh. His Father is of the same mind as Jesus. If He doesn't really exist, why do you have so much anonymity toward Him? You have comitted sins in your last paragraph alone. Every person alive sins daily. Going against God's laws is a sin. Lying, Stealing, Cheating, Lusting after a woman who is not your wife, Adultery, Fornication, Blasphemy, ect. Can you really tell me that you have never committed any of these? This is not a complete list. You committed Blasphemy in your last paragraph which is a very bad sin against God.
Blasphemy is utterly meaningless to me, because your god and your Jesus are meaningless to me, no matter how firmly you believe in them.
Blasphemy is utterly meaningless to me, because your god and your Jesus are meaningless to me, no matter how firmly you believe in them.
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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Fuzzy;1514260 wrote: Blasphemy is utterly meaningless to me, because your god and your Jesus are meaningless to me, no matter how firmly you believe in them.
I realize that it is meaningless in your mind, but you said that you had never sinned and I gave you an example of a sin that you had committed, even if you don't believe it.
I realize that it is meaningless in your mind, but you said that you had never sinned and I gave you an example of a sin that you had committed, even if you don't believe it.
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Fuzzy;1514260 wrote: Blasphemy is utterly meaningless to me, because your god and your Jesus are meaningless to me, no matter how firmly you believe in them.
I realize that it is meaningless in your mind, but you said that you had never sinned and I gave you an example of a sin that you had committed, even if you don't believe it.
I realize that it is meaningless in your mind, but you said that you had never sinned and I gave you an example of a sin that you had committed, even if you don't believe it.
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xfrodobagginsx;1514274 wrote: I realize that it is meaningless in your mind, but you said that you had never sinned and I gave you an example of a sin that you had committed, even if you don't believe it.
And when are you going to wake up and realize that god, Jesus and sin are not real?
And when are you going to wake up and realize that god, Jesus and sin are not real?
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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Fuzzy;1514287 wrote: And when are you going to wake up and realize that god, Jesus and sin are not real?
You said Jesus isn't real? He's a real historical figure and you know it. You are kidding yourself. The historians of his day wrote of him.
You said Jesus isn't real? He's a real historical figure and you know it. You are kidding yourself. The historians of his day wrote of him.
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xfrodobagginsx;1514295 wrote: You said Jesus isn't real? He's a real historical figure and you know it. You are kidding yourself. The historians of his day wrote of him.
If writing about something makes it real, then Jesus may just be an invention. It works both ways. Then it comes down to what you can or want to believe. Jesus never existed.
If writing about something makes it real, then Jesus may just be an invention. It works both ways. Then it comes down to what you can or want to believe. Jesus never existed.
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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Fuzzy;1514297 wrote: If writing about something makes it real, then Jesus may just be an invention. It works both ways. Then it comes down to what you can or want to believe. Jesus never existed.
It's not just the fact that there are writings. The secular history, archaeology, culture, Church history all collaborate it as well. What evidence do you have that Jesus didn't really live?
It's not just the fact that there are writings. The secular history, archaeology, culture, Church history all collaborate it as well. What evidence do you have that Jesus didn't really live?
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xfrodobagginsx;1514315 wrote: What evidence do you have that Jesus didn't really live?You.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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Bart Ehrmann historian and scholar wrote a book in which he explained the historical method and why he believes that Jesus of Nazareth did exist. He was raised a fundmentalist, became a atheist and now has moved back to agnostic which in my view is probably the best position. "Did Jesus Exist"
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Ahso!;1514317 wrote: You.
That's evidence that He DID live because I am only here spreading the Gospel because of God speaking to me and directing my life in the first place.
That's evidence that He DID live because I am only here spreading the Gospel because of God speaking to me and directing my life in the first place.
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It is obvious that Jesus is a hoax.
Don't kid yourself. You don't have any evidence that he is real. All you have is lies upon lies.
Why do I get the feeling you're running some kind of church organization? You really need to spread the old lies because your livelihood depends on them.
Don't kid yourself. You don't have any evidence that he is real. All you have is lies upon lies.
Why do I get the feeling you're running some kind of church organization? You really need to spread the old lies because your livelihood depends on them.
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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Fuzzy;1514335 wrote: It is obvious that Jesus is a hoax.
Don't kid yourself. You don't have any evidence that he is real. All you have is lies upon lies.
Why do I get the feeling you're running some kind of church organization? You really need to spread the old lies because your livelihood depends on them.
What you are saying is that the historians of His day, the eyewitnesses, the Church were all in on a hoax? I don't think so. Writings from the historians of His day are all lying? You are kidding yourself in a massive way. I am not making a penny from this and am not running a Church organization either.
Don't kid yourself. You don't have any evidence that he is real. All you have is lies upon lies.
Why do I get the feeling you're running some kind of church organization? You really need to spread the old lies because your livelihood depends on them.
What you are saying is that the historians of His day, the eyewitnesses, the Church were all in on a hoax? I don't think so. Writings from the historians of His day are all lying? You are kidding yourself in a massive way. I am not making a penny from this and am not running a Church organization either.
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xfrodobagginsx;1514339 wrote: What you are saying is that the historians of His day, the eyewitnesses, the Church were all in on a hoax? I don't think so. Writings from the historians of His day are all lying? You are kidding yourself in a massive way. I am not making a penny from this and am not running a Church organization either.
Fair enough. In that case you're just one of those poor misguided creatures who can't think for themselves and just believe in lies and hoaxes.
(Is that your country's currency, pennies and pounds?)
Fair enough. In that case you're just one of those poor misguided creatures who can't think for themselves and just believe in lies and hoaxes.
(Is that your country's currency, pennies and pounds?)
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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xfrodobagginsx;1514332 wrote: That's evidence that He DID live because I am only here spreading the Gospel because of God speaking to me and directing my life in the first place.This is what it ultimately comes down to with all believers - that each one claims to be somehow special. However, your story is still incomplete and lacking substance. Read on and find out what I mean. You won't be able to comprehend this post the first few times you read it, but be tenacious, as you've shown signs of and reread it as often as you need to to get it.
On this site with the small number of active believers, there are those who make wild claims of special treatment from their God (perhaps that's why each one's constructed image of God and his personality vary). One such claim is that God raised the particular member from the dead, and one who claims God is deciding whether or not he's useful and special enough to cure his cancer, which, incidentally, God inflicted him with. Then we have Pahu who claims God has made him the special one, armed with special knowledge and strength to fight against evil science with. One member claims his special brand of self-imposed brainwashing, which he calls education, blesses him with intellectual insight into spirituality and makes him unique since he's allegedly made a few kind gestures here and there that he credits his religious upbringing for. We also have you, Frodo, who appears to be blessed with the ultimate special gift of...well...nothing really, so you just parrot others. Don't allow that to deter you though because everyone I've referrenced above has been exactly where you are now until each one invented and refined their uniquely special BS stories. When you look into the eyes of other believers you both like and dislike, and listen to them spout their uniquely God-given qualities and gifts, realize you are peering into your future minus that special twist you'll invent in order to tell your special story of how God chose you.
Interpreting all these claims from a psychological perspective, I imagine one might initially conclude they've all suffered emotional neglect as children and are in turn seeking attention from a parental figure (God The Father). Indeed, emotional neglect and even abuse are well-known techniques of religious cult brainwashing (spare the rod - spoil the child). Another psychologist might diagnose you all as narcissistic. Either or both diagnoses could be accurate for all I know.
Why has God given each person their special talent? The absurd answer we come away with is - to endlessly talk about "him". The end result we witness is the abused praising the abuser.
Might I suggest all believers share the same pretentious signature of "God's special child...after Jesus, of course."
On this site with the small number of active believers, there are those who make wild claims of special treatment from their God (perhaps that's why each one's constructed image of God and his personality vary). One such claim is that God raised the particular member from the dead, and one who claims God is deciding whether or not he's useful and special enough to cure his cancer, which, incidentally, God inflicted him with. Then we have Pahu who claims God has made him the special one, armed with special knowledge and strength to fight against evil science with. One member claims his special brand of self-imposed brainwashing, which he calls education, blesses him with intellectual insight into spirituality and makes him unique since he's allegedly made a few kind gestures here and there that he credits his religious upbringing for. We also have you, Frodo, who appears to be blessed with the ultimate special gift of...well...nothing really, so you just parrot others. Don't allow that to deter you though because everyone I've referrenced above has been exactly where you are now until each one invented and refined their uniquely special BS stories. When you look into the eyes of other believers you both like and dislike, and listen to them spout their uniquely God-given qualities and gifts, realize you are peering into your future minus that special twist you'll invent in order to tell your special story of how God chose you.
Interpreting all these claims from a psychological perspective, I imagine one might initially conclude they've all suffered emotional neglect as children and are in turn seeking attention from a parental figure (God The Father). Indeed, emotional neglect and even abuse are well-known techniques of religious cult brainwashing (spare the rod - spoil the child). Another psychologist might diagnose you all as narcissistic. Either or both diagnoses could be accurate for all I know.
Why has God given each person their special talent? The absurd answer we come away with is - to endlessly talk about "him". The end result we witness is the abused praising the abuser.
Might I suggest all believers share the same pretentious signature of "God's special child...after Jesus, of course."
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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Fuzzy;1514340 wrote: Fair enough. In that case you're just one of those poor misguided creatures who can't think for themselves and just believe in lies and hoaxes.
(Is that your country's currency, pennies and pounds?)
The Dollar, but that has nothing to do with this discussion.
(Is that your country's currency, pennies and pounds?)
The Dollar, but that has nothing to do with this discussion.
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Some should read "Did Jesus Exist" by Bart Ehrmann historian and scholar who also explains the historical method. He has concluded that Jesus did in fact exist. But that is OK each to his own. Just another evangelical atheist. LOL
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Ted;1514360 wrote: Some should read "Did Jesus Exist" by Bart Ehrmann historian and scholar who also explains the historical method. He has concluded that Jesus did in fact exist. But that is OK each to his own. Just another evangelical atheist. LOL
So, he agrees that Jesus did exist meaning that he believes the obvious historical records that are hard to deny, and then he doesn't believe that He is the Son of God?
So, he agrees that Jesus did exist meaning that he believes the obvious historical records that are hard to deny, and then he doesn't believe that He is the Son of God?
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xfrodobagginsx;1514315 wrote: What evidence do you have that Jesus didn't really live?
How can anyone have any evidence that someone doesn't exist?
Do you have any evidence that Santa and Easter Bunny don't exist? You don't do you? Does that mean they both exist?
They, like Jesus and god exist only in some people's imagination.
You would like your imagination to be true, but believing doesn't necessarily make it so in the real world.
How can anyone have any evidence that someone doesn't exist?
Do you have any evidence that Santa and Easter Bunny don't exist? You don't do you? Does that mean they both exist?
They, like Jesus and god exist only in some people's imagination.
You would like your imagination to be true, but believing doesn't necessarily make it so in the real world.
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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Fuzzy;1514371 wrote: How can anyone have any evidence that someone doesn't exist?
Do you have any evidence that Santa and Easter Bunny don't exist? You don't do you? Does that mean they both exist?
They, like Jesus and god exist only in some people's imagination.
You would like your imagination to be true, but believing doesn't necessarily make it so in the real world.
I meant to say, reason to believe that He doesn't exist given the evidence that He did in fact live.
Do you have any evidence that Santa and Easter Bunny don't exist? You don't do you? Does that mean they both exist?
They, like Jesus and god exist only in some people's imagination.
You would like your imagination to be true, but believing doesn't necessarily make it so in the real world.
I meant to say, reason to believe that He doesn't exist given the evidence that He did in fact live.