How To Get To Heaven When You Die

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:26 pm

Midrash was around long before Xfrod says. It was both a style of writing and method of interpretation. Xfrod needs to do some research. Now to the KJV the first edition and subsequent additions had some 25000 translation errors. I cannot comment on the present edition since I know nothing about it and have no intentions of reading it. I read the editions recommended by scholars. I also read the original Greek and Hebrew I'm not sure what I equivocate about!!!!! Then I really do think that Ahso is an evangelical atheist.

Millions of people of all faiths over the decades have found purpose and meaning in their respective faiths.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:54 pm

LarsMac;1513625 wrote: You like Wiki so much, here is some light reading for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Bible

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon

Though you might want to actually consult some of the references they list, and find out a bit more.

You must not have watched the videos I've posted on the biblical canon.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:01 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513702 wrote: You must not have watched the videos I've posted on the biblical canon.

I don't recall seeing such a video

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:02 pm

LarsMac;1513626 wrote: Yes, I am aware of such. I grew up with a number of Fundies. Fortunately, I also had some very well educated relatives who taught me much about not taking anybody's word for anything, but to find out for myself.

So then you've looked at the evidence I have posted? I don't think so.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:07 am

xfrodobagginsx;1513706 wrote: So then you've looked at the evidence I have posted? I don't think so.Here's a clue, junior. Articulate as best you can and in your own words, the argument you wish to make citing credible evidence from credible sources, instead of expecting others to run down rabbit holes with you.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:41 am

Ted;1513647 wrote: I was raised in a very fundamentalist church and found it to be evil. Their fear is so strong that they need the Bible to be a contract signed sealed and delivered. Trust in God?????. I guess they figure they can hold God accountable if things don't work out the way they think it should. This kind of fundamentalism is about 200 years old. A recent invention.

I was also raised in a Fundamentalist Church and found the overall way of behaving and such to be evil, but not the doctrine. You can be a Fundamentalist without being Legalistic. I hated that Legalistic attitude that many of them had. I left the Church for 12 years over it. Then I turned 30 2 days before 9-11 happened. I had young kids and realized that I didn't want to raise them outside of Church. I visited a few Churches and one in particular was VERY legalistic and I couldn't stand it. I had an experience from God where He spoke to me and told me to go back to that legalistic Church. I learned a lot and I had much conflict there. God still used those people to help me grow in my faith. I left after about 4 1/2 - 5 years. I walked away from my position as Worship Leader and Youth Director. I visited my current Church. It was a much bigger Church and thought there was no way that they could use me there. I had another experience from God where I was sitting in the pew and saw in my Spirit, God's hand pointing to the words on the hymn book as they were singing. I looked over and God was pointing to every word on the page and every word of that song spoke to me as if from God Himself. The next service the same type of thing happened. The Song was "Have Faith In God" and the other song was "He Who Began A Good Work In You". I knew that this is where God wanted me. 6 months later, the song leader of 35 years had to leave and go take care of his mother in another state and asked me to take over. Then within a week, I was asked to go on the praise band, then another week later, the Worship Leader, who had been there 8 years and was a DJ on the radio, had to go to Washington DC for a job promotion for a year and they asked me to take over. Yes God is real and He uses imperfect people to accomplish His will. I am not afraid. Those Legalistic types that you are speaking of churn my stomach and I speak out against them. I do not belong to that type of Church, but I am a Fundamental Christian. I am not a Pharisee type that you are thinking of. I drink beer, I watch movies. I have fun. I live a normal life, but I don't believe in sinning. Those Legalistic Churches preach that everything is a sin, but the problem is that that's not what the Bible says. I will not use them as an excuse not to serve God. Let them be judged by God when that time comes. I'm still serving the Lord with all of my heart.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:47 am

LarsMac;1513655 wrote: Well, yes, and it was only the beginning of deciding what would be Canon in the collection of writings that would eventually become the Bible.

You have yet to explain your reason for continuously bringing up the KJV

If the KJV is what you consider the Bible, it only lends evidence that the Bible was finalized even later than the 16th Century.

My reason for bringing up the KJV is because Ted seems to think that the Bible was completed in the 1600s. I explained to him that the Bible was completed in 90 AD.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:21 pm

Ahso!;1513660 wrote: It is amusing to watch adults hung up and arguing over when a f@$king folklore storybook was written.

The vast majority of religious or spiritual people cannot be reasoned with. They've been brainwashed and need deprogramming which means you have to get personal with them so they might by some slim chance see that they need to deconstruct their upbringing.

It's not folklore or a mere story book. The difference is that the evidence backs up Christianity. The Resurrection confirms Christianity. You are have been brainwashed by this secular, "I don't need God" mentality. It's very sad. Logically, how did matter create it's self from nothing? It didn't.

Post by **LarsMac** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:18 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513702 wrote: You must not have watched the videos I've posted on the biblical canon.

Actually, no. I tend to ignore videos on a discussion forum.

And it was I who said that the Bible was not completed until the 16th Century.

While the last letters that are included in the Bible may have been written in the 2nd Century, the Bible was not compiled and completed until the 16th Century.

It seems you ignored the articles that I shared, too.

Don't see much point to continuing the discussion.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:02 pm

LarsMac;1513675 wrote: I find playing with their circular logic amusing. It is sort of a mental fidget spinner.

Ditto. How old is this rock? Millions of years old. How do you know it's millions of years old? Because the ground that it was found in is millions of years old. How do you know that the ground is millions of years old? Because the rocks that are found in that part of the ground are millions of years old...LoL

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:58 pm

LarsMac;1513683 wrote: The point, Son, is that what you call the Bible was not in existence until after the 16th Century. Yes, there were a bunch of documents, and a lot of letters, but the compilation that became the Bible did not exist until after all of those meetings to decide what was in it. Oh, and there was still some serious discussion over whose Bible was THE Bible. So, you are incorrect that the Bible was completed by first or second Century.

What any of that really has to do with Midrash, I confess to being nearly as puzzled as you are.

My understanding of Midrash is as commentary on the Hebrew Texts from which many of the Old Testament books of the Christian bible are derived, and has little, if anything to do with the New Testament writings.

Wrong again. First of all, the New Testament Books were being used by the Church from the 1st Century and the Old Testament books were already being used by the Jews since around 1500 AD. Secondly, The council of Nicea occured in about 325 AD. That's where the Books of the Bible were compiled about 1300 years before the 16th Century. The Bible was completed by AD 90. The Book of Revelation, written by the Apostle John who was one of the 12 Disciples.

This video will explain it for you: THIS VIDEO WILL EXPLAIN HOW THE NEW TESTAMENT OF THE BIBLE WAS CANONIZED (CAME TO BE) PART 1 AUTOMATICALLY MERGES INTO PART 2

WHOLE VIDEO:

Midrash didn't exist until the 2nd Century. The bible had been completed by then.

THIS VIDEO WILL EXPLAIN HOW THE OLD TESTAMENT OF THE BIBLE WAS CANNONIZED (CAME TO BE)

Post by **LarsMac** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:55 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513753 wrote: Wrong again. First of all, the New Testament Books were being used by the Church from the 1st Century and the Old Testament books were already being used by the Jews since around 1500 AD. Secondly, The council of Nicea occured in about 325 AD. That's where the Books of the Bible were compiled about 1300 years before the 16th Century. The Bible was completed by AD 90. The Book of Revelation, written by the Apostle John who was one of the 12 Disciples.

This video will explain it for you: THIS VIDEO WILL EXPLAIN HOW THE NEW TESTAMENT OF THE BIBLE WAS CANONIZED (CAME TO BE) PART 1 AUTOMATICALLY MERGES INTO PART 2

WHOLE VIDEO:

Midrash didn't exist until the 2nd Century. The bible had been completed by then.

THIS VIDEO WILL EXPLAIN HOW THE OLD TESTAMENT OF THE BIBLE WAS CANNONIZED (CAME TO BE)

As I said before, I don't watch videos on Discussion boards. But I did see enough to know why you think what you do.

'nuff said.

Been nice talkin' to ya.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:58 am

Ted;1513685 wrote: Midrash was around long before Xfrod says. It was both a style of writing and method of interpretation. Xfrod needs to do some research. Now to the KJV the first edition and subsequent additions had some 25000 translation errors. I cannot comment on the present edition since I know nothing about it and have no intentions of reading it. I read the editions recommended by scholars. I also read the original Greek and Hebrew I'm not sure what I equivocate about!!!!! Then I really do think that Ahso is an evangelical atheist.

Millions of people of all faiths over the decades have found purpose and meaning in their respective faiths.

the only errors that you're talking about our spelling differences and minor grammatical errors that are easily discerned. There is one small passage in despute that doesn't change any doctrinal beliefs at all anywhere in Scripture.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:01 pm

LarsMac;1513703 wrote: I don't recall seeing such a video

I reposted them, please watch them.

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:03 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513787 wrote: I reposted them, please watch them.

I don't come to discussion boards to watch videos.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:12 pm

Ahso!;1513721 wrote: Here's a clue, junior. Articulate as best you can and in your own words, the argument you wish to make citing credible evidence from credible sources, instead of expecting others to run down rabbit holes with you.

Which points would you like to discuss daddy?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:28 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513791 wrote: Which points would you like to discuss daddy?

You haven't made one yet, but that was cute.

ETA: You have been asked to clarify posts you've made only to either ignore or ask people to run down your rabbit holes.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:41 am

LarsMac;1513738 wrote: Actually, no. I tend to ignore videos on a discussion forum.

And it was I who said that the Bible was not completed until the 16th Century.

While the last letters that are included in the Bible may have been written in the 2nd Century, the Bible was not compiled and completed until the 16th Century.

It seems you ignored the articles that I shared, too.

Don't see much point to continuing the discussion.

Then don't wonder why you don't know my point of view. There are logical reasons for what I believe. I look at your stuff sometimes, but not all of it. If you agree to view mine, I will agree to look at yours. Then we should discuss them. Agree?

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:57 am

xfrodobagginsx;1513803 wrote: Then don't wonder why you don't know my point of view. There are logical reasons for what I believe. I look at your stuff sometimes, but not all of it. If you agree to view mine, I will agree to look at yours. Then we should discuss them. Agree?

I will read anything you post, but I am not going to sit here and watch videos, unless they are actually your very own work.

And we are not discussing viewpoints in this particular discussion. We a discussing the history of the Bible.

And, We haven't even got into the fact that there is not just one Bible, yet. Each major Church branch has their very own "Official" version of "The Bible"

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:59 pm

Xfrod is wrong on the errors. It's a wannabe position. LarsMarc is correct in his assertion. To add to all of this there are some 22000 variations on the Christian theme and many of them claim that they hold the absolute truth and only they. Nonsense. The Bible is itself a very human construction based on the writer's experiences. Midrash. The Jews wrote the Bible and are able to interpret it.. Xfrod to which off the 22000 do you adhere. I'll bit it is the one that has the sole handle on the truth. LOL

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:23 am

LarsMac;1513804 wrote: I will read anything you post, but I am not going to sit here and watch videos, unless they are actually your very own work.

And we are not discussing viewpoints in this particular discussion. We a discussing the history of the Bible.

And, We haven't even got into the fact that there is not just one Bible, yet. Each major Church branch has their very own "Official" version of "The Bible"

Because these versions that you call them aren't the original Bible. They are T R A N S L A T I O N S into english from Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. There are a couple of translations that are complete frauds. The Jehovah's Witness Bible for one. It's a perversion of the scriptures, twisted up to conform the Bible to say what they want it to say, rather than a direct translation. Most versions are fairly acceptable. The KJV is the best in my opinion. The New International Version leaves out a lot of crucial things that should have been included. These were all translated from the ancient manuscripts.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:02 pm

Ted;1513807 wrote: Xfrod is wrong on the errors. It's a wannabe position. LarsMarc is correct in his assertion. To add to all of this there are some 22000 variations on the Christian theme and many of them claim that they hold the absolute truth and only they. Nonsense. The Bible is itself a very human construction based on the writer's experiences. Midrash. The Jews wrote the Bible and are able to interpret it.. Xfrod to which off the 22000 do you adhere. I'll bit it is the one that has the sole handle on the truth. LOL

Give some examples of these differences which you claim.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:05 pm

DNA Evidence from Egyptian Mummies Proves Biblical Account

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:34 am

xfrodobagginsx;1513847 wrote:

DNA Evidence from Egyptian Mummies Proves Biblical Account

Right.

sure.

Ok.

My calendar says we are coming up on November 1st

Not April 1st

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:28 am

LarsMac;1513854 wrote: Right.

sure.

Ok.

My calendar says we are coming up on November 1st

Not April 1st

You think they are idiots because they actually follow the Lord and believe His word. Think about that.

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:34 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513857 wrote: You think they are idiots because they actually follow the Lord and believe His word. Think about that.

No sir!

I believe they are idiots because they believe some REALLY DUMB stuff that other people tell them, and have no critical thinking skills of their own.

They believe stuff like that dumb-a$$ story that your latest YouTube offering started with.

Back when I was in my early 20s, I was living in L.A., and I hung out with a group of street preachers and they used to come up with stories like that, all the time. In fact I remember that very story, though it was Geologist exploring for Oil in Texas. Later I even heard almost the same exact story from a group of Moonies.

My skepticism eventually got me tossed out of a number of such groups. Best thing that ever happened to me in those years.

And to be clear, that last Youtube thing you posted has completely destroyed any hint of credibility you might have had in my book.

It was fun talking with you.

Have a nice day, now.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:19 pm

Xfrod you want differences? How many more do you need beyond 2200? Fellowship Baptists are quite clear about their feelings for say Presbyterians. Pentacostals are not keen on the United church.Roman Catholics have a vvastly different point of view. Each of these claims to have the sole handle on the truth. I was raised in a very fundamentalist church and it was evil. Perhaps we should discuss the discrepencies in the Bible.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:27 pm

I must give fundamentalists credit for their very creative dancing around these discrepancy issues. A very creative lot but most of it is fantasy. How did Judas die? God demanding war crimes as in Numbers 31, corpses running around the streets of Jerusalem. I could go on and write a book.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:04 pm

Ted;1513862 wrote: Perhaps we should discuss the discrepencies in the Bible.You have the ability to do that, Ted. This is a discussion forum, and you're a member. Just start a thread titled Bible Discrepancies. There, I even given you the title.

Koan did a pretty extensive thread many years ago on a similar subject. It was very informative and quite a lot of work on her part.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:28 pm

LarsMac;1513854 wrote:

Because of only idiots, delusional people and liars (or people who are at least in an idiotic stage of life) believe in you!

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:52 pm

LarsMac;1513859 wrote:

And to be clear, that last Youtube thing you posted has completely destroyed any hint of credibility you might have had in my book.

All credibility is lost the minute I realize a person views life through the lens of a fairy tale. They might be nice, polite, articulate, a trade specialist, or what have you. They are still delusional or liars (or both) and every word out of their mouth is suspect.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:26 pm

Midrash is essentially another term for using metaphors to explain something. You claim that this wasn't invented until the 2nd century AD? So you say that no-one explained anything by the use of metaphors before that? So just what was a parable, if not a metaphor?

You argue about the difference between the Bible being written in the 16th Century & being translated in the 16th Century. Apart from the 1600s actually being the 17th Century this is not the matter in question. After all, which is the version of the Bible that you follow? The original Dead Sea Scrolls? Do you read Aramaic, or do you follow the translations? If it is the translation that you follow then you must accept that you are living by the midrash version, regardless of when you say midrash was invented - although I would question the notion that midrash was ever 'invented' in any way, except in name. Midrash has always existed, regardless of what it was called - even before the written word.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:25 pm

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:40 pm

Fuzzy;1513874 wrote:

Seriously? someone debunked it.

That is dumber that the guys debunking Flat Earth.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:51 pm

LarsMac;1513859 wrote: No sir!

I believe they are idiots because they believe some REALLY DUMB stuff that other people tell them, and have no critical thinking skills of their own.

They believe stuff like that dumb-a$$ story that your latest YouTube offering started with.

Back when I was in my early 20s, I was living in L.A., and I hung out with a group of street preachers and they used to come up with stories like that, all the time. In fact I remember that very story, though it was Geologist exploring for Oil in Texas. Later I even heard almost the same exact story from a group of Moonies.

My skepticism eventually got me tossed out of a number of such groups. Best thing that ever happened to me in those years.

And to be clear, that last Youtube thing you posted has completely destroyed any hint of credibility you might have had in my book.

It was fun talking with you.

Have a nice day, now.

Really dumb stuff like what the Scholars say? What the evidence says? The actual historical writings from Christ's day and shortly thereafter? That kind of stuff? I don't put stock int that "sounds of hell" story if that's what you are referring to. I just thought it was interesting, but on the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me if it were true. I never said it WAS true.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:03 am

Yeah, talking about dumb. There are a few dummies on this thread ( including me of course ) trying desperately to get through to a religious fukcwit to make him see the light.

Hell will be pretty cool after we pump some water down the hole.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:26 am

Ted;1513862 wrote: Xfrod you want differences? How many more do you need beyond 2200? Fellowship Baptists are quite clear about their feelings for say Presbyterians. Pentacostals are not keen on the United church.Roman Catholics have a vvastly different point of view. Each of these claims to have the sole handle on the truth. I was raised in a very fundamentalist church and it was evil. Perhaps we should discuss the discrepencies in the Bible.

It's not the Bible that is flawed, it's human beings. The Bible is a Spiritual book and it is Spiritually discerned. satan is a deciever and many of these differences come from non regenerated (Not born again) men who try to interpret scripture. They aren't even led by the Spirit of God and yet they are trying to understand a Spiritual book. Another problem is that there are some who don't study scripture properly and don't divided it right, and then try to understand isolated verses. That's not the correct way to study scripture. Another issue is when men try to allegorize the Bible when it's not supposed to be allegorized. In all fairness, there ARE areas that are allegorized, but when that happens, it will tell you or interpret it for you, otherwise, the Bible should be taken literally.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:29 am

Ted;1513863 wrote: I must give fundamentalists credit for their very creative dancing around these discrepancy issues. A very creative lot but most of it is fantasy. How did Judas die? God demanding war crimes as in Numbers 31, corpses running around the streets of Jerusalem. I could go on and write a book.

There aren't any discrepancies. It's very easy to understand that there can be different perspectives told and both of them be true at the same time. He went out and hanged himself and later, his body decomposed and fell down and his bowels gushed out. I wonder if you have ever actually looked into the explanations of these supposed discrepancies.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:53 pm

Ahso!;1513867 wrote: Because of only idiots, delusional people and liars (or people who are at least in an idiotic stage of life) believe in you!

And people who believe the historians from Christ's day and shortly thereafter, the eyewitness testimonies, the Church history...yeah they are all crazy for believing those who were actually there rather than those who came long hundreds or even thousands of years later who think that they know better.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:32 pm

:-3:-3:-3

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:42 am

God really does love you.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:37 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513919 wrote: God really does love you.

Of course he does. That's why he created the place called hell for all free thinking humans and the ones born into a different religion. :yh_rotfl

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:00 am

Ahso!;1513868 wrote: All credibility is lost the minute I realize a person views life through the lens of a fairy tale. They might be nice, polite, articulate, a trade specialist, or what have you. They are still delusional or liars (or both) and every word out of their mouth is suspect.

Then evolutionists don't have any credibility with you because that's a fairy tale. Pahu is right on that you SHOULD be believing him. Everything he is telling you is the truth.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:13 am

FourPart;1513870 wrote: Midrash is essentially another term for using metaphors to explain something. You claim that this wasn't invented until the 2nd century AD? So you say that no-one explained anything by the use of metaphors before that? So just what was a parable, if not a metaphor?

You argue about the difference between the Bible being written in the 16th Century & being translated in the 16th Century. Apart from the 1600s actually being the 17th Century this is not the matter in question. After all, which is the version of the Bible that you follow? The original Dead Sea Scrolls? Do you read Aramaic, or do you follow the translations? If it is the translation that you follow then you must accept that you are living by the midrash version, regardless of when you say midrash was invented - although I would question the notion that midrash was ever 'invented' in any way, except in name. Midrash has always existed, regardless of what it was called - even before the written word.

Right, which most of the Bible is not. Some of it is allegory and metaphor, but when it is, it will many times tell you. According to the Google dictionary, Midrash didn't come about until the 2nd Century. Type in a simple search for Midrash in a google search. The Bible was NOT written in the 16th Century. It was written over a 1600 year period from 1500 BC to the 1st Century AD. It was completed in 90 AD. It was translated from those manuscripts into other languages over the years, hence you have the different "versions" from the translations, not the original language manuscripts. I use different translations of the Bible. The King James is admittedly the best translation, although it is not free from discrepancy. I compare different translations for accuracy with the NIV, The Holman Bible, The American Standard Version, The Word English Bible and many others. I use the You version, which gives you dozens of versions to choose from also I use the Power Bible which also gives you many different ones and also will show you at the exact same time, the original Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic word, instantly giving the translation when your mouse is hovered over any given word. It's not hard to discern the meaning of a word or phrase. Youngs Literal Translation is arguably the most Literal translation into english. It doesn't worry about grammatical forum, for as you probably know, the original languages weren't formatted as the English language is.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:59 pm

Fuzzy;1513874 wrote:

Interesting that the guy said that he's seen hell and is a Christian. Does that hold anymore weight to you now that you know he's honestly exploring the truth?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:44 pm

LarsMac;1513875 wrote: Seriously? someone debunked it.

That is dumber that the guys debunking Flat Earth.

I never said it was 100% true.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:08 pm

Fuzzy;1513888 wrote: Yeah, talking about dumb. There are a few dummies on this thread ( including me of course ) trying desperately to get through to a religious fukcwit to make him see the light.

Hell will be pretty cool after we pump some water down the hole.

I'm not the one who needs to see the truth. You are.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:21 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513984 wrote: I'm not the one who needs to see the truth. You are.

I was talking about the real truth, not the fairy religious one.:wah:

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:31 am

DNA Evidence from Egyptian Mummies Proves Biblical Account

https://insider.pureflix.com/news/dna-e ... e=facebook

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:32 am

I would encourage anyone who hasn't to read this first post and praythat prayer at the bottom of it to God from your heart.