How To Get To Heaven When You Die

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:44 pm

Xfrod. That is not my imp;lication at all. I would suggest that that is what you do with what I write. You don't think about it. I read the Bible for what it is, midrash. When seeking out what the ancient words meant at the time of writing one can begin to understand the messages. Let's look at some. Adam pronounced in Hebrew "atham is wrongly translated as a name when in fact the ancient Hebrew word meant "human Kind" It is not a name. the word eve translated and written in ancient Hebrew mean "mother of all loving. That word was in Hebrew pronounced "ish" These are not names. But ignorance fosters the error. The word saved in ancient Hebrew had nothing to do with the afterlife. when the ancient left Egypt thand arrived at the promised land the said God had saved them. When the ancient Hebrew left Babylon to return to Jerusalem the again said God had saved them. There are only a few places in the NT where someone has interpreted it to mean an afterlife which the early Hebrews did not believe in.

Do I believe what is in the Bible? The answer is yes when properly understood as midrash.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:48 pm

The Christian beliefs of today do in no way reflect the church and beliefs of the ancient Hebrew. It is not the church attributed to Jesus. The closest church today is the Greek Orthodox church.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:53 pm

The Bible itself has been edited, redacted, changed, added to and subtracted from by the so called Christians of the past and the present.. Numbers 31 the God who said thou shalt not kill or do murder thells the Hebrew to kill every man woman, child, animal that is in the land. So much for a loving God who tells us not to kill. Let's not forget the soldiers could keep the virgins for themselves. War crimes!!!! Seen for what it is the Bible is a very important ancient text with both beauty and truth. If the historical Jesus were able to come back today he would be appalled at what western Christendom has done with his name.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:03 pm

Ted;1513049 wrote: Xfrod. That is not my imp;lication at all. I would suggest that that is what you do with what I write. You don't think about it. I read the Bible for what it is, midrash. When seeking out what the ancient words meant at the time of writing one can begin to understand the messages. Let's look at some. Adam pronounced in Hebrew "atham is wrongly translated as a name when in fact the ancient Hebrew word meant "human Kind" It is not a name. the word eve translated and written in ancient Hebrew mean "mother of all loving. That word was in Hebrew pronounced "ish" These are not names. But ignorance fosters the error. The word saved in ancient Hebrew had nothing to do with the afterlife. when the ancient left Egypt thand arrived at the promised land the said God had saved them. When the ancient Hebrew left Babylon to return to Jerusalem the again said God had saved them. There are only a few places in the NT where someone has interpreted it to mean an afterlife which the early Hebrews did not believe in.

Do I believe what is in the Bible? The answer is yes when properly understood as midrash.

Midrash didn't come out until AFTER the Bible was completed. You have to use dishonesty to make your points.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:30 pm

Ted;1513051 wrote: The Christian beliefs of today do in no way reflect the church and beliefs of the ancient Hebrew. It is not the church attributed to Jesus. The closest church today is the Greek Orthodox church.

Wrong. All you have to do is actually read and believe the scriptures to know that you don't know what you are talking about. Greek Orthodox Church is not the closest thing to the original Church. They are close to Catholics which began with Constantine, who infused paganism with Christianity.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:54 am

Xfrod with all due respect that is a load of BS. If you choose to believe in "Magic and Make Believe" go for it. Reading and believing in something does not make it happen.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:12 pm

Ted;1513052 wrote: The Bible itself has been edited, redacted, changed, added to and subtracted from by the so called Christians of the past and the present.. Numbers 31 the God who said thou shalt not kill or do murder thells the Hebrew to kill every man woman, child, animal that is in the land. So much for a loving God who tells us not to kill. Let's not forget the soldiers could keep the virgins for themselves. War crimes!!!! Seen for what it is the Bible is a very important ancient text with both beauty and truth. If the historical Jesus were able to come back today he would be appalled at what western Christendom has done with his name.

No, it has never been edited. It has never been changed. It has only been translated into English from the original languages. There were special circumstances where God ordered killing certain nations because of their gross wickedness and God knew what would happen to His people if they were allowed to abide where they were. Interestingly, the Jews didn't always obey God and the nation that God told them to wipe out were constantly fighting, murdering, attacking the Jews. They even got them to worship false Gods. That was only in very rare circumstances. Christians actually follow what God's word said to do. What is it that western Christians do that the Bible says not to do?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:37 pm

Ted;1513131 wrote: Xfrod with all due respect that is a load of BS. If you choose to believe in "Magic and Make Believe" go for it. Reading and believing in something does not make it happen.

It's not BS though. With all due respect, it's the truth. It's not magic and make believe. I've seen it myself many times and so have millions of other people.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:40 pm

Ted;1513051 wrote: The Christian beliefs of today do in no way reflect the church and beliefs of the ancient Hebrew. It is not the church attributed to Jesus. The closest church today is the Greek Orthodox church.

Where do you get this false idea? Martin Luther came out of the Catholic Church because he actually read the Bible and realized all of the false teachings that they were spewing. The Greek Orthodox Church is an off shoot of the Catholic Church started by Constantine.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:53 am

Xfrod I find it impossible to believe anything you say. Try reading some history about the Christian faith. I could suggest the works of many scholars but am sure you would not read them. You think you have the truth and don't confuse me with the facts.. God tells people not to murder but then orders it anyway . Some God of love!!!! As far as Luther goes he made the same mistake many are making. Reading the Bible literally. You have indeed made God in your own image.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:08 pm

Ted;1513052 wrote: The Bible itself has been edited, redacted, changed, added to and subtracted from by the so called Christians of the past and the present.. Numbers 31 the God who said thou shalt not kill or do murder thells the Hebrew to kill every man woman, child, animal that is in the land. So much for a loving God who tells us not to kill. Let's not forget the soldiers could keep the virgins for themselves. War crimes!!!! Seen for what it is the Bible is a very important ancient text with both beauty and truth. If the historical Jesus were able to come back today he would be appalled at what western Christendom has done with his name.
No, it has never been edited. It has never been changed. It has only been translated into English from the original languages. There were special circumstances where God ordered killing certain nations because of their gross wickedness and God knew what would happen to His people if they were allowed to abide where they were. Interestingly, the Jews didn't always obey God and the nation that God told them to wipe out were constantly fighting, murdering, attacking the Jews. They even got them to worship false Gods. That was only in very rare circumstances. Christians actually follow what God's word said to do. What is it that western Christians do that the Bible says not to do?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:27 pm

Ted;1513182 wrote: Xfrod I find it impossible to believe anything you say. Try reading some history about the Christian faith. I could suggest the works of many scholars but am sure you would not read them. You think you have the truth and don't confuse me with the facts.. God tells people not to murder but then orders it anyway . Some God of love!!!! As far as Luther goes he made the same mistake many are making. Reading the Bible literally. You have indeed made God in your own image.

I have read history of the Christian faith. Your problem is that you believe those Liberal, Anti Christian so called scholars.

Here is some Christian history for you:

The Trail Of Blood:

The Trail of Blood - By J. M. Carroll

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:17 pm

Fox's Book Of Martyrs:

Fox's Book of Martyrs

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:36 pm

PLEASE PRAY THIS PRAYER OF SALVATION:

Dear friends, Take this moment, If you want to accept Jesus Christ free gift of salvation, pray this from your heart, humbly to God:

“DEAR LORD JESUS, I BELIEVE THAT YOU DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR MY SINS. I ASK YOU TO PLEASE COME INTO MY HEART AND FORGIVE ME FOR MY SINS, TAKE ME TO BE WITH YOU WHEN I DIE. I NOW RECEIVE YOU AS MY LORD AND SAVIOR. THANK YOU FOR SAVING ME. IN JESUS NAME AMEN.

If you have placed your faith in Jesus Christ and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:10 pm

FourPart;1512940 wrote: Come up with one documented miracle that can't be explained scientifically. Once again - nothing anecdotal.

90 Minutes In Heaven with Don Piper:

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:50 pm

The Virgin Birth

https://www.christiancourier.com/articl ... -of-christ

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:28 am

DID JESUS RISE FROM THE DEAD:

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:56 am

DID JESUS RISE FROM THE DEAD:

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:19 pm

CARLA;1058908 wrote: It won't matter I will be dead. :rolleyes:

It matters because we never cease to exist after we die.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:14 pm

Try this link to a guy who has been to hell and back. I posted it before, but the link was messed up. Just watch it. It's very interesting.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:01 pm

Plate Techtonics in the bible (There are 7 Technotic plates) There is No WAY they could have known that 3000 years ago when this was written.

Pr 9:1 Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:

1Sa 2:8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them.

Ps 75:3 The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved: I bear up the pillars of it. Selah.

Continental drift?

Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.

Plate Techtonics:

The theory states that Earth's outermost layer, the lithosphere, is broken into 7 large, rigid pieces called plates: the African, North American, South American, Eurasian, Australian, Antarctic, and Pacific plates. Several minor plates also exist, including the Arabian, Nazca, and Philippines plates.

The plates are all moving in different directions and at different speeds (from 2 cm to 10 cm per year--about the speed at which your fingernails grow) in relationship to each other. The plates are moving around like cars in a demolition derby, which means they sometimes crash together, pull apart, or sideswipe each other. The place where the two plates meet is called a plate boundary. Boundaries have different names depending on how the two plates are moving in relationship to each other

crashing: Convergent Boundaries,

pulling apart: Divergent Boundaries,

or sideswiping: Transform Boundaries

With respect to plate boundaries is your home located in the middle of, or near the boundary of a plate? What does this mean for you tectonically?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:32 pm

:-3:-2:-6:guitarist:

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:04 pm

Try this link to a guy who has been to hell and back. I posted it before, but the link was messed up. Just watch it. It's very interesting.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:17 pm

Xfrod I seek only the truth and I do not find it in your posts. They are just more nonsense. If you are unfamiliar with it the Bible tells us to "study to show thyself approved" It also says you shall know the truth and "It will set yoou free". Amen..

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:22 pm

Ted;1513361 wrote: Xfrod I seek only the truth and I do not find it in your posts. They are just more nonsense. If you are unfamiliar with it the Bible tells us to "study to show thyself approved" It also says you shall know the truth and "It will set yoou free". Amen..

What have I said that is false. I do study the Bible daily and I do know the truth.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:40 pm

Ted;1513361 wrote: Xfrod I seek only the truth and I do not find it in your posts. They are just more nonsense. If you are unfamiliar with it the Bible tells us to "study to show thyself approved" It also says you shall know the truth and "It will set yoou free". Amen..

I find it interesting that you claim that you can't believe what I post, but you also can't refute anything I post.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:16 pm

While I am a Christian I do not believe everything I read. Midrash is a whole other method of interpreting. The Bible says that God is a spirit. That is not a being of any kind. As a panentheist I accept the reality of God and He/She/It is not out there somewhere. The word translated as right belief is "pistis" and it does not mean right belief it means trust. I do appreciate floppy's post. Great job.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:45 pm

Ted;1513418 wrote: While I am a Christian I do not believe everything I read. Midrash is a whole other method of interpreting. The Bible says that God is a spirit. That is not a being of any kind. As a panentheist I accept the reality of God and He/She/It is not out there somewhere. The word translated as right belief is "pistis" and it does not mean right belief it means trust. I do appreciate floppy's post. Great job.

Neither do I believe everything I read. I have debunked this Midrash joke many times and yet you continue to bring it up. Plus, why would God have men write down the opposite of what He really means to say? Yes God is a Spirit, but He also has a Body, Jesus Christ. Biblically, God is a He.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:59 pm

The Bible was completed by 90 AD. What year does Google Dictionary say that it came about?

Mid·rash

ËˆmidËŒrÃ¤SH/Submit

noun

noun: Midrash; plural noun: Midrashim; noun: midrash; plural noun: midrashes

an ancient commentary on part of the Hebrew scriptures, attached to the biblical text. The earliest Midrashim come from the 2nd century AD, although much of their content is older.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:36 pm

Xfrod so you've debunked "midrash" It is still a powerful concept in the Jewish faith. The Jews understand that whereas modern fundamentalist simply do not understand reality so try to Make God in their own image. The Bible is midrash. It is not a history book. I would list the scholars but it is doubtful you would bother is going though it does contain some history. Fundamentalism is going to be the end of Christianity. The literalistsw present absurdities.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:40 pm

Midrash was both a method of writing and interpreting the sacred scriptures. Today it is more of a method of interpretation. (Michael Goulder). Since it was a jewish form and concept the Jews still know what it is and use it.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:19 pm

Again you are still not getting it. How could the Bible even possibly be midrash when midrash didn't even come out until the second century ad 100 years after the Bible was completed? Think about it guy. The Bible is not midrash. There is no reason that it would be midrash. Why would God try to trick Us by telling us one thing when you mean something different? Fundamentalism is the only true form of Christianity.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:38 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513544 wrote: Again you are still not getting it. How could the Bible even possibly be midrash when midrash didn't even come out until the second century ad 100 years after the Bible was completed? Think about it guy. The Bible is not midrash. There is no reason that it would be midrash. Why would God try to trick Us by telling us one thing when you mean something different? Fundamentalism is the only true form of Christianity.

The Bible was not completed until the 16th Century.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:00 am

LarsMac;1513545 wrote: The Bible was not completed until the 16th Century.

You really are showing that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The last book completed was Revelation, which was written by the Apostle John in AD 90. In 1611 the King James t r a n s l a t e d the Bible into English from the original languages, Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. The Bible was written by the actual eyewitnesses to the events including some of the Apostles, Jesus's half brothers, James and Jude.

Post by **LarsMac** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:01 am

xfrodobagginsx;1513570 wrote: You really are showing that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The last book completed was Revelation, which was written by the Apostle John in AD 90. In 1611 the King James t r a n s l a t e d the Bible into English from the original languages, Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. The Bible was written by the actual eyewitnesses to the events including some of the Apostles, Jesus's half brothers, James and Jude.

You really should learn more about this book which you hold in such high regard.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:36 pm

LarsMac;1513573 wrote: You really should learn more about this book which you hold in such high regard.

I think YOU should. You think it was completed in the 16th Century? You are clearly uneducated on this topic.

Post by **LarsMac** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:13 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513590 wrote: I think YOU should. You think it was completed in the 16th Century? You are clearly uneducated on this topic.

Really?

On what do you base that claim?

Post by **LarsMac** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:34 pm

Surely you've heard of the Nicene Council? The Council of Trent?

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:53 pm

LarsMac most fundamentalists know nothing of those councils. Midrash was a methods hundred of years before the birth of Jesus. Obviously Xfrod knows little about history As far as Lars knowing nothing about what he is speaking better fits Xfrod who is very ignorant about the past. Probably another wannabe. Maybe Xfrod could enlighten us about his academicbacvkground..

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:05 pm

LarsMac;1513592 wrote: Really?

On what do you base that claim?

The vast majority of Bible Scholars? You?

Even Wiki will tell you that the KJV was translated in 1611. Gosh man, I don't even know how to debate someone like you who won't even accept reality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:58 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513624 wrote: The vast majority of Bible Scholars? You?

Even Wiki will tell you that the KJV was translated in 1611. Gosh man, I don't even know how to debate someone like you who won't even accept reality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version

You like Wiki so much, here is some light reading for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Bible

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon

Though you might want to actually consult some of the references they list, and find out a bit more.

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:01 pm

Ted;1513614 wrote: LarsMac most fundamentalists know nothing of those councils. Midrash was a methods hundred of years before the birth of Jesus. Obviously Xfrod knows little about history As far as Lars knowing nothing about what he is speaking better fits Xfrod who is very ignorant about the past. Probably another wannabe. Maybe Xfrod could enlighten us about his academicbacvkground..

Yes, I am aware of such. I grew up with a number of Fundies. Fortunately, I also had some very well educated relatives who taught me much about not taking anybody's word for anything, but to find out for myself.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:17 pm

I was raised in a very fundamentalist church and found it to be evil. Their fear is so strong that they need the Bible to be a contract signed sealed and delivered. Trust in God?????. I guess they figure they can hold God accountable if things don't work out the way they think it should. This kind of fundamentalism is about 200 years old. A recent invention.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:32 pm

LarsMac;1513595 wrote: Surely you've heard of the Nicene Council? The Council of Trent?

Yep and the Council of Nicea happened over 1000 years before 1611 KJV. Did you know that?

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:38 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513654 wrote: Yep and the Council of Nicea happened over 1000 years before 1611 KJV. Did you know that?

Well, yes, and it was only the beginning of deciding what would be Canon in the collection of writings that would eventually become the Bible.

You have yet to explain your reason for continuously bringing up the KJV

If the KJV is what you consider the Bible, it only lends evidence that the Bible was finalized even later than the 16th Century.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:22 am

Ted;1513647 wrote: I was raised in a very fundamentalist church and found it to be evil. Their fear is so strong that they need the Bible ...Their fear is not nearly as strong or menacing as your propensity to equivocate.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:32 am

LarsMac;1513655 wrote: Well, yes, and it was only the beginning of deciding what would be Canon in the collection of writings that would eventually become the Bible.

You have yet to explain your reason for continuously bringing up the KJV

If the KJV is what you consider the Bible, it only lends evidence that the Bible was finalized even later than the 16th Century.It is amusing to watch adults hung up and arguing over when a f@$king folklore storybook was written.

The vast majority of religious or spiritual people cannot be reasoned with. They've been brainwashed and need deprogramming which means you have to get personal with them so they might by some slim chance see that they need to deconstruct their upbringing.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:44 am

Ahso!;1513660 wrote: It is amusing to watch adults hung up and arguing over when a f@$king folklore storybook was written.

The vast majority of religious or spiritual people cannot be reasoned with. They've been brainwashed and need deprogramming which means you have to get personal with them so they might by some slim chance see that they need to deconstruct their upbringing.

I find playing with their circular logic amusing. It is sort of a mental fidget spinner.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:17 pm

Ted;1513614 wrote: LarsMac most fundamentalists know nothing of those councils. Midrash was a methods hundred of years before the birth of Jesus. Obviously Xfrod knows little about history As far as Lars knowing nothing about what he is speaking better fits Xfrod who is very ignorant about the past. Probably another wannabe. Maybe Xfrod could enlighten us about his academicbacvkground..

We absolutely know about these councils. What about them? They compiled the Biblical Canon. Most of those books are already accepted as inspired before these councils. Midrash didn't come out until the 2nd century AD which is AFTER the Bible was completed so you are kidding yourself there. I have proven you wrong over and over again and yet you continue to spew these lies.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:34 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513682 wrote: We absolutely know about these councils. What about them? They compiled the Biblical Canon. Most of those books are already accepted as inspired before these councils. Midrash didn't come out until the 2nd century AD which is AFTER the Bible was completed so you are kidding yourself there. I have proven you wrong over and over again and yet you continue to spew these lies.

The point, Son, is that what you call the Bible was not in existence until after the 16th Century. Yes, there were a bunch of documents, and a lot of letters, but the compilation that became the Bible did not exist until after all of those meetings to decide what was in it. Oh, and there was still some serious discussion over whose Bible was THE Bible. So, you are incorrect that the Bible was completed by first or second Century.

What any of that really has to do with Midrash, I confess to being nearly as puzzled as you are.

My understanding of Midrash is as commentary on the Hebrew Texts from which many of the Old Testament books of the Christian bible are derived, and has little, if anything to do with the New Testament writings.