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Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:13 am

Betty Boop;1465210 wrote: FEW meaning more than one but not really more than three???

few meaning what exactly?

the abuse happened over 13 years, so a decade and three years. I don't call 13 years a few years. In one town !!!!! Now add up all the rest and then add the 54 trials that are yet to be heard.

What astonishes me, Is that you go to great pains to say you don't want to be accused of not caring about these children yet throughout your posts especially this one, you diminish the Impact by calculating mathamatically how far lessor the Impact Is over those who may have transported kids In the 40's had they have had cars, the Church etc etc.

So where are your empathetic words for the children today, not the 40's, not the Church In the 50's.... TODAY !!!!!

There are In fact 27 police force enquiries going on now... 54 grooming gangs are being Investigated all over the country. Rotherham Is one town.

Come back In five years and do your Maths.. Your calculations are based solely on Rotherham. You have not taken Into account Derby, Oxford, Rochdale, etc etc so your figures are wrong. Why have you not Included the figures from all other area's ?

Police are investigating 54 alleged gangs in a crackdown on child grooming in England and Wales, peers have heard.

The figure was cited by former Labour Attorney General Lord Morris of Aberavon at question time in the Lords.

He said inquiries involved 27 police forces as he urged greater co-operation between agencies after the convictions of a sex abuse ring in the Oxford area.

BBC News - Police 'investigating 54 child grooming gangs'

Labour suspends four over Rotherham grooming as 70 are arrested in other Yorkshire towns - Yorkshire Post

Bill Carmichael: Left and their big fat multi-cultural lie - Yorkshire Post

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:41 am

Bruv;1465220 wrote: There is only one way to settle this.....

You'r a brave man. I have to ask which do yiu see as mr blobby?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:15 am

gmc;1465222 wrote: You'r a brave man. I have to ask which do yiu see as mr blobby? Oh do try to keep up, oh Monarch of the Glen...

Mr Blobby was Noel Edmunds house Party... Harry Hill Is TV Burp....two entirely different shows. One was presented by a complete tosser, running around In Argyle Sweaters shouting ' Gotcha ' and the other wasn't.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:17 am

That's something they both have in common - both complete tossers.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:47 pm

Oscar Namechange;1465225 wrote: Oh do try to keep up, oh Monarch of the Glen...

Mr Blobby was Noel Edmunds house Party... Harry Hill Is TV Burp....two entirely different shows. One was presented by a complete tosser, running around In Argyle Sweaters shouting ' Gotcha ' and the other wasn't.

There was me thinking bruv was suggesting you were represented by mr blobby and betty boop one of the others, silly me.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:32 pm

gmc;1465235 wrote: There was me thinking bruv was suggesting you were represented by mr blobby and betty boop one of the others, silly me.

To be honest it was just the idea of seeing two ladies rolling about legs in the air pulling each others hair........as Mr Harry Hill would do with his cry "Only way to settle this.......FIGHT"

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:38 pm

As Mrs Oscar has insider knowledge, can I ask a serious question ?

Has anyone the figures year by year for the period in question?

Post by **Betty Boop** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:59 pm

Bruv;1465249 wrote: To be honest it was just the idea of seeing two ladies rolling about legs in the air pulling each others hair........as Mr Harry Hill would do with his cry "Only way to settle this.......FIGHT"

Go on, you were just thinking of two hotties mud wrestling in reality :p:wah:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:41 pm

Bruv;1465252 wrote: As Mrs Oscar has insider knowledge, can I ask a serious question ?

Has anyone the figures year by year for the period in question? What for, Mr Blobby or TV Burp viewing figures? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Why do you ask ? So more calculations can be made ? More of ' It's ok, It's only 3 a week'.... More opportunity for you to attempt to score points while detracting from the scandal ?

The police have already stated they believe over 10,000 children have been abused from the enquiries taking place now.

In about 5 years I reckon, all the trials will have been heard and you can do your own Investigating.... after all, let's get this right...the Party you so despise, the Party you don't believe.... you now expect to give you Information ????

Yeah... dream on :yh_rotfl

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:12 pm

It figures - Hide the facts unless they happen to fit in with what they want them to.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:45 pm

FourPart;1465259 wrote: It figures - Hide the facts unless they happen to fit in with what they want them to.

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

You know, I really have to thank you for giving me one of the best laughs I've ever had In my life.

After countless ramblings and rantings In other threads about the BNP, how Griffin Is not to be trusted, how we are are exploiting the scandal for political gains blah blah blahde blah.....you now actually have the brass neck to be put out that I won't share restricted documents with you on a public forum ???

So, let's put this Into perspective... When Marlene Guest began her research ten years ago and when Nick Griffin proved In court 5 years ago that children were being raped In Keighly, you and your Ilk dismiss It as propaganda and stirring up racial hatred.

After all, God forbid, Marlene Guest may have lived In Rotherham and had daughters and grand daughters...

Five years ago, another key figure prepared a detailed report of cities all over the country to help with Nick's defence... quite shocking reading actually. Although he was acquitted, journalists sat In that court twice and Ignored the evidence, just focusing on him.

Police have said there could be as many as 10,000 children raped across the country. There Is possibly many more... more who fear for their lives from their abusers and will not speak out after the disgusting display of aggressive cross examination by defence lawyers to a 9 year old girl recently that lasted three weeks and consisted of 9 separate defence cross examinations.

The Office of the Children’s Commissioner estimates at least 10,000 children may have been victims of this kind of exploitation. At long last, the secret of this appalling crime may finally be out.

Channel 4's Dispatches reveals horrific ordeal of victims in The Hunt for Britain's Sex Gangs - Mirror Online

Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook

It's estimated that around 100 of these girls have given birth to their rapists babies.

When police raided one house, they found a condom that was described by police as a 'soup' of DNA. Girls were beaten, they were threatened with beheadings on them and their babies, they threatened to fire bomb their homes. They were branded with hair pins as the property of the groomer. Some were raped In every orifice as young as 10 years old and many were raped with objects. It's all documented on the web so do your own research.

Yet after years of denial and smearing the BNP activists who put In all the research.... you think I should now, 10 years later, hand It over here just because It now suits you ? :yh_rotfl

Carry out your own research 5 years from now when every trial has been tried.

Only In the past few weeks there has been large amounts of arrests In Rotherham, Birmingham, Keighly etc etc...Rotherham Is the tip of the Iceberg.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:46 pm

Oscar Namechange;1465257 wrote: What for, Mr Blobby or TV Burp viewing figures? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Why do you ask ? So more calculations can be made ? More of ' It's ok, It's only 3 a week'.... More opportunity for you to attempt to score points while detracting from the scandal ?

The police have already stated they believe over 10,000 children have been abused from the enquiries taking place now.

In about 5 years I reckon, all the trials will have been heard and you can do your own Investigating.... after all, let's get this right...the Party you so despise, the Party you don't believe.... you now expect to give you Information ????

Yeah... dream on :yh_rotfl

Fair enough................you don't know.

Why not just say so ?

The reason I ask, I hear you say in that caring voice.......was that I thought it might be relevant.

How would the figures relate to another similar sized town without the dreaded fuzzy wuzzies ?

1400 over a period of 13 years is an average of 9 crimes a month.

I suspect that the crimes began at a lower level and on finding the threat of detection was so low, the hardcore of evil criminal men, became bolder.

Suspect the BNP want the numbers totaled due to the impact at the polls, rather than be affective in sorting the problem........but then again I am biased......unlike the godlike Mr Griffin.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:51 pm

Bruv;1465264 wrote: Fair enough................you don't know.

Why not just say so ?

The reason I ask, I hear you say in that caring voice.......was that I thought it might be relevant.

How would the figures relate to another similar sized town without the dreaded fuzzy wuzzies ?

1400 over a period of 13 years is an average of 9 crimes a month.

I suspect that the crimes began at a lower level and on finding the threat of detection was so low, the hardcore of evil criminal men, became bolder.

Suspect the BNP want the numbers totaled due to the impact at the polls, rather than be affective in sorting the problem........but then again I am biased......unlike the godlike Mr Griffin.

We seem to have cross posted.. go back to my post prior...

You suspect what the hell you like...It's not fact. The police have stated the figures could be 10,000 or more. There are currently 27 police regions carrying out Investigations and making arrests.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:59 pm

Oscar Namechange;1465265 wrote: You suspect what the hell you like...It's not fact.

Thats not a nice way to speak to a prospective BNP voter.

Post by **Peter Lake** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:05 pm

I'd like to comment but i am not coming up anyone's rear.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:20 pm

Bruv;1465252 wrote: As Mrs Oscar has insider knowledge, can I ask a serious question ?

Has anyone the figures year by year for the period in question?

In an extensive report into the nature of child sexual exploitation, the Office of the Children's Commissioner identified 2,409 victims over a 14-month period and estimated that 16,500 children were at risk of a specific type of abuse that can see gangs of abusers grooming children as young as 11 in order to rape, sexually abuse and, in some cases, traffic them among other men and between cities.

"It's endemic," said Ray McMorrow, a health specialist at the National Working Group, a charity set up in Derby in the wake of the first prosecutions into child sexual exploitation. "Rotherham is just one of the places that it's been identified."

Rotherham child sex abuse could be tip of an iceberg, say campaigners | UK news | The Guardian

2,409 victims In 14 moths

172 per month

43 a week

6 per day

That throws a whole new light on the figures Betty came up with.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:18 pm

I will add no comment to this content on Oscar's link.

"The vast majority of the perpetrators of this terrible crime are male. They range in age from as young as 14 to old men. They come from all ethnic groups and so do their victims – contrary to what some may wish to believe," writes Berelowitz.

The study found the largest group of perpetrators were classed as "white" males, but because there were gaps in official data recording, and because many victims found it hard to identify their attackers, it was impossible to estimate accurately who and how many people were sexually exploiting children.

"What all perpetrators have in common – regardless of the differences in age, ethnicity, or social background (information on disability or sexual orientation was rarely available) – was their abuse of power in relation to their victims, and that the vast majority were male," the report said.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:49 am

Oscar Namechange;1465263 wrote: Yet after years of denial and smearing the BNP activists who put In all the research.... you think I should now, 10 years later, hand It over here just because It now suits you ? :yh_rotfl

If it is evidence, then yes, I think you should, as otherwise the concealment of such 'evidence' will serve no purpose but to defend the perpetrator.

If, on the other hand, the 'evidence is made up of unsubstantiated claims that so-and-so said such-and-such back whenever, then that is no evidence at all. Public domain statistics are not really 'evidence' at all for, as we all know, there are lies, damned lies, and Government Statistics.

We are also very well aware of your talent to spin the fact to the degree that if it says that white is white, then what that is really saying is that white is black, and that you have evidence to prove it, because Nick Griffin said so.

If you have any real 'evidence', then it is your duty as a citizen, not as a politician, to publish it.

So, is this new 'evidence' really new evidence, or is it simply re-raked & re-spun Public Records?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:38 am

FourPart;1465277 wrote: If it is evidence, then yes, I think you should, as otherwise the concealment of such 'evidence' will serve no purpose but to defend the perpetrator.

If, on the other hand, the 'evidence is made up of unsubstantiated claims that so-and-so said such-and-such back whenever, then that is no evidence at all. Public domain statistics are not really 'evidence' at all for, as we all know, there are lies, damned lies, and Government Statistics.

We are also very well aware of your talent to spin the fact to the degree that if it says that white is white, then what that is really saying is that white is black, and that you have evidence to prove it, because Nick Griffin said so.

If you have any real 'evidence', then it is your duty as a citizen, not as a politician, to publish it.

So, is this new 'evidence' really new evidence, or is it simply re-raked & re-spun Public Records? The reports carried out by Marlene 10 years ago and the other for Nick's defence 5 years ago were handed over to authorities at the time and were arrogantly Ignored as ' vile'.

Unlike may projections, they Included, statements from victims, names of abusers etc

In Rotherham, a ' surgery' was held some years ago following Marlene's report where police, councillors, social services etc etc got together with Marlene. Instead of looking at the evidence and doing something about It, they set about attacking Marlene deeming her ' vile and stirring up racial hatred'. Due to that, being more Interested In slating her than protecting victims, other children went on to be abused.

Why do you think Nick Griffin then contested the Labour held Rotherham Seat ? Because had he have won, It was the only way he could have forced authorities to take them seriously.

I have no ' duty' what so ever to as ' duty as a citizen' to hand anything over.... It was already handed over 5 years ago... In fact, part of Marlene's report helped Professor Jay In her Independant report because she was willing to look at It...

What would be the point of handing It over again? They've already had the evidence. All we can do, Is read a 5 year old report and say yep, they were warned.

'New evidence' ? Now you're talking out of your backside... how can the BNP or anyone else re-rake or re-spin public records when their reports were never made from public records but their own Investigations? The BNP's report Is 5 years old and the research began 10 years ago... re-hash ? Rubbish

Tell you what Fourpart..... let's try this.... You tell me how the BNP can re-hash or re-spin their own findings from 10 years ago long before any official Independent report ? How exactly do you re-spin something that they wrote years before anyone else did?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:21 am

You're doing it all the time. You've just claimed all this new evidence that you've collected & now it appears that it's a matter of some totally non related case from 10 years ago, and not only that but that it had already been presented to the court & therefore a matter of Public Record.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:12 am

FourPart;1465291 wrote: You're doing it all the time. You've just claimed all this new evidence that you've collected & now it appears that it's a matter of some totally non related case from 10 years ago, and not only that but that it had already been presented to the court & therefore a matter of Public Record.

Right... At a time I should be basting my husbands garlic chicken, I have gone through every damn post on this thread and can find nothing where I have ' just claimed all this new evidence that I've collected' as you put It..

Now, I am willing to accept that as I am very tired and attempting to Multi-task here, I may have missed something... so you show me where I've said I or the BNP have new evidence.

And while you're there... try answering my question:

You tell me how the BNP can re-hash or re-spin their own findings from 10 years ago long before any official Independent report ? How exactly do you re-spin something that they wrote years before anyone else did?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:51 am

Yet after years of denial and smearing the BNP activists who put In all the research.... you think I should now, 10 years later, hand It over here just because It now suits you ?
10 years of research amassing all this 'evidence', which supposedly has not yet been made public, because the likes of you refuse to hand it over? If this 'research' has anything 'new' to say, then it is new evidence, but it's so 'new' that the people it refers to are now apparently victims themselves.

It is my belief that the reason you choose not to reveal it is because you know full well that it has no validity whatsoever & is made up purely of conjecture & racial hatred - things which Nick Griffin is known to have in abundance.

As for spinning - you are notorious for it. You are forever taking the words of a poster & reversing their meaning entirely, then accusing them of claiming that what YOU are saying that they are saying of not getting their facts right.

Rehashing - when have you ever not been rehashing the Marvellous works of the Prophet Nick (Peace Be Upon Him) Griffin & the things he said 16 years ago (which are no real different to the claims made elsewhere in the 30s - 40s, just rehashed to target Muslims instead of Jews - to begin with). Then there's Jeremy Thorpe. All the BNP claims are basically rehashes of his claims. The BNP have come up with NOTHING original. They are just rehashing everyone else's work & claiming it as their own.

The BNP will never have any credibility as it's only ever Pakistani this, Pakistani that & Pakistani the other. You claim that the BNP is not Racist? This is a party that previously had a ban on non-whites as members, until the courts ruled that this was illegal - and then it was spun that they had believed that multi-culturism should be embraced.

Spin dat Wheel.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:10 am

FourPart;1465300 wrote: 10 years of research amassing all this 'evidence', which supposedly has not yet been made public, because the likes of you refuse to hand it over? If this 'research' has anything 'new' to say, then it is new evidence, but it's so 'new' that the people it refers to are now apparently victims themselves.

It is my belief that the reason you choose not to reveal it is because you know full well that it has no validity whatsoever & is made up purely of conjecture & racial hatred - things which Nick Griffin is known to have in abundance.

.I've dismissed the rest of your post as more ramblings.

So, the fact Is, you can not find anything I've written that shows I said we had new evidence...

You can not answer my question as to how the BNP can re-spin something they wrote before any Independent enquiry was made public.

Now... I'll repeat because you clearly have some difficulty here.

Marlene Guest's research began 10 years ago.

Another key figure's report for Griffin's defence was made 5 years ago and evidence that grooming existing In Keighly was presented to the court during the trials, twice, 5 years ago.

Those reports were handed to Social Services, the Police, local Councillors and Muslim communities years ago and a surgery was held based on that report and It was dismissed.

All evidence gathered by the BNP has been presented years ago to the relevant authorities before any public enquiry.

Proffessor Jay looked at Marlene Guest's evidence.

The BNP's research was not based on any public enquiry because at that time, there had been no enquiries, public or Independent..

Nick Griffin contested the Labour held Rotherham Seat to force attention on their findings.

Really... what part of that do you not get ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:44 am

FourPart;1465300 wrote:

The BNP have come up with NOTHING original. They are just rehashing everyone else's work & claiming it as their own.

The BNP will never have any credibility as it's only ever Pakistani this, Pakistani that & Pakistani the other. You claim that the BNP is not Racist? This is a party that previously had a ban on non-whites as members, until the courts ruled that this was illegal - and then it was spun that they had believed that multi-culturism should be embraced.

. It's like nailing milk to the wall

Thus far, there has been only one Independant enquiry Into grooming In Rotherham... Proffessor Jay's this year. The BNP's started 10 years ago and was presented In trial 5 years ago. Now, had It not have been presented 5 years ago that grooming was going on, how did Nick Griffin get found NOT guilty ? In order for him to be acquitted, he had to prove to the courts that girls were Indeed being raped as he stated, his statement that saw the prosecution In the first place?

So for you to state that the BNP have nothing original Is hope and fantasy on your part. Fact.. you can not provide evidence In a court of law 5 years ago If you don't have that evidence and 5 years before an Independent enquiry takes place In 2014. Dear God, even the loony Left get the logic of that.

Now.. The BNP Pakistani this, Pakistani that... During those reports and research, Pakistani men were not mentioned... It was Professor Jay who found through Police and social services data that the 96 % were men of Pakistani origin, She stated they were of Pakistani Origin.

The Constitution now eh ? You're clutching at straws and you accuse me of spin. You're grabbing anything you can grab to bolster your claims. You can't even answer the questions put to you on a public forum.

Fact... The BNP researched child grooming In Rotherham years ago...

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:04 pm

Content from Oscars link............must be invisible......so I shall post it again.

"The vast majority of the perpetrators of this terrible crime are male. They range in age from as young as 14 to old men. They come from all ethnic groups and so do their victims – contrary to what some may wish to believe," writes Berelowitz.

The study found the largest group of perpetrators were classed as "white" males, but because there were gaps in official data recording, and because many victims found it hard to identify their attackers, it was impossible to estimate accurately who and how many people were sexually exploiting children.

"What all perpetrators have in common – regardless of the differences in age, ethnicity, or social background (information on disability or sexual orientation was rarely available) – was their abuse of power in relation to their victims, and that the vast majority were male," the report said.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:38 pm

Bruv;1465325 wrote: Content from Oscars link............must be invisible......so I shall post it again. Bruv... How can I put this politely ?

The text you have quoted came from 2012.... two years before Professor Jay's research and report Identified the men as being 96& Pakistani origin that she concluded from police and social services data.

For Fourpart In simplistic terms, that means that until 2014 and the publishing of Jay's enquiry, nobody had the data to calculate ethnicity. Thus, the 2012 article could only refer to the abusers as ' men ;

I would have thought you'd have spotted that Bruv.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:28 pm

The study found the largest group of perpetrators were classed as "white" males

Is wrong then is it ?

Then why did YOU post the link knowing the information to be wrong ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:53 pm

Bruv;1465330 wrote: Is wrong then is it ?

Then why did YOU post the link knowing the information to be wrong ? So you have to agree It's wrong In order to write your second sentence. Very often I post the links where It gives names of people In Authority. I do that because If, let's say, Joe Bloggs Chief Constable or Jane Doe Head, of Social Services states blah blah blah, It's far more credible than me just saying something.

But logic should tell you the ' white' description for the abusers even 2 years ago was bad reporting. In 2012, they didn't have an Idea of ethnicity, not by an open public enquiry that Is. The victims themselves said their abusers were Asian, Muslim, what ever term they used at the time when they went to the police. If an Independent report In 2014 states 96 % of the abusers are Pakistni origin and Professor Jay has hard evidence of that ie police data, then to claim 2 years prior that the men were white was nothing but guess work or an attempt to avoid racial tension.

Given the way the authorities covered up the Rotherham scandal even allegedly destroying files, and given the way the police tip off the media as they did In the historic crimes cases of celebs, there Is even the possibility that police told the media that the men were white to maintain social cohesion between communities.

Logic would also tell you that In every trial and conviction so far, as In Derby, Oxford and Rochdale etc etc, the men have been ' Asian' as the media likes to call It. To be fair, there has been a small handful of white men Involved with the ' Asian ' groomers. Yet, If you researched every single grooming trial or even obtained the list of names of those convicted, you can see most of them were ' Asian'.

What we do know from Rotherham, Is that 96 % were Pakistani origin because that Is what Professor Jay found.

As I said prior, It won't be until all 27 police forces have thoroughly exhausted Investigations In those 27 towns and cities along with every one of the 54 gangs being tried, will the true statistics be known. I would Imagine that will take around 5 years.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:20 pm

FourPart;1465300 wrote:

The BNP will never have any credibility as it's only ever Pakistani this, Pakistani that & Pakistani the other. You claim that the BNP is not Racist? This is a party that previously had a ban on non-whites as members, until the courts ruled that this was illegal - and then it was spun that they had believed that multi-culturism should be embraced.

Spin dat Wheel. I am now going to reply to this accusation.

First, show me any actual, documented evidence that the BNP 'spun ' as you put It that Multi-Culturism should be embraced. Who said that and where? Like everything else you have argued here, you are just making wild statements without any evidence to back up what you say.

There Is a Guardian article on the web ( you can do your own research) that I believe was the one and only time I have seen an Interview with Nick Griffin actually quoted accurately. In It, he states that the BNP does not have a problem with those who are here legally, abide by the law, and contribute to the country In some way.

The BNP Constitution... First of all, It was not Nick Griffin who drew up the Party Constitution In 1982, It was John Tyndall. Nick did not become leader until 1999 therefore, he was In no position to change the constitution until he became leader In 1999. When he did become leader, he left the original constitution In place simply because, why go to all the trouble when It had never been challenged before?

Have you any Idea of the mine field of laws and regs when starting a political Party? You don't just suddenly decide to start a new Party one morning and then go out leafleting or standing In elections. The most Important part Is submitting your constitution to the electoral commission who can choose to reject It. So It begs the question of why, back In 1982 did the electoral commission accept It If It was so racist? Again, If It was so racist, why did no-one challenge It until 2009, 27 years later? Why did the electoral commission accept that constitution and let It run unchallenged for 27 years.?

After 27 years, what happened that made them challenge It? Cast your mind back to 2009 and the EU elections. For the very first time, the BNP saw two MEP's elected Into the European Parliament. Shock, horror, the BNP actually won two elections over Labour. Also during 2009, the BNP had the highest amount of Coucillors elected across the country that they had ever had, 112 BNP Councillors won elections.

Shortly after the EU elections, under Gordon Brown, Harriot Harmen amended the anti-discrimination clause of the Equality Bill to make the BNP constitution Illegal. Why after 27 years ? What was about to happen In early 2010 ? By Jove, a General Election. Seeing Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons win Seats In EU Parliament and seeing 112 BNP councillors elected, they were absolutely terrified that the two of them would go on to win those Seats In the General and put two BNP MP's Into Westminster. In 2009, Nick Griffin also stated he was going to stand a candidate In every Ward. The General belief Is that Harriot Harmen believed Nick Griffin would fight the amendment all the way to the House of Laws, and In the process, use up Party funds In legal costs, thus rendering the Party short of the funds needed to fight the General election. Only Griffin, Is not that dumb, he just changed the constitution. It was re-written by Arthur Kemp who happens to be South African.... so much for no foreigners perception.

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gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:21 am

From oscar's favourite newspaper

Slavery in the UK on the the rise as gangs 'brand' their victims: Number rose by a fifth last year with some being sold for just £200 | Daily Mail Online

Slavery in the UK on the the rise as gangs 'brand' their victims:

Read more: Slavery in the UK on the the rise as gangs 'brand' their victims: Number rose by a fifth last year with some being sold for just £200 | Daily Mail Online

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I will repeat myself, you do have a point about pakistani gangs but by concentrrating on that to the exclusion of everything else you ignore the wider problem.

Behind closed doors: the plight of the UK's domestic workers | Life and style | The Guardian

Ah right wing governments don't you just love the way they stand up for an employers right to exploit people.

Anti-Slavery - Anti Trafficking Monitoring Group

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:27 am

gmc Monarch of the Glen;1465360 wrote: From oscar's favourite newspaper

Slavery in the UK on the the rise as gangs 'brand' their victims: Number rose by a fifth last year with some being sold for just £200 | Daily Mail Online

Slavery in the UK on the the rise as gangs 'brand' their victims:

Read more: Slavery in the UK on the the rise as gangs 'brand' their victims: Number rose by a fifth last year with some being sold for just £200 | Daily Mail Online

Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

I will repeat myself, you do have a point about pakistani gangs but by concentrrating on that to the exclusion of everything else you ignore the wider problem.

Behind closed doors: the plight of the UK's domestic workers | Life and style | The Guardian

Ah right wing governments don't you just love the way they stand up for an employers right to exploit people.

Anti-Slavery - Anti Trafficking Monitoring Group

We are very aware of the rise of trafficking and slavery In the UK but the child grooming Is just the tip of the Iceberg. There will be much more revealed as those trials are heard and police Investigations In other area's carried out.

The child grooming has always been the BNP's primary concern, simply because of the scale and because we are talking about children.

Of course, the rabid Left will jump on my words no doubt, but It has to be said, that Immigration has caused the rise In slavery here. If we had a system akin to America or Australia, Immigrants would be vetted In as much that they would have to contribute to the country by way of a trade or at least be able to support themselves when they got here. Under Labour and mass, open door policy, we have a system where anyone can come to the UK without a penny to support themselves. Thus, those desperate to escape a life of poverty, hardship or even civil war, jump at the chance to come to the UK where they are then exploited. They don't have the money when arriving to support themselves so they are prime targets for the slavery simply because they have nowhere else to go.

If we were far more selective In Immigration, the soft touches would not get Into the UK In the first place.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:11 am

Oscar Namechange;1465361 wrote: We are very aware of the rise of trafficking and slavery In the UK but the child grooming Is just the tip of the Iceberg. There will be much more revealed as those trials are heard and police Investigations In other area's carried out.

The child grooming has always been the BNP's primary concern, simply because of the scale and because we are talking about children.

Of course, the rabid Left will jump on my words no doubt, but It has to be said, that Immigration has caused the rise In slavery here. If we had a system akin to America or Australia, Immigrants would be vetted In as much that they would have to contribute to the country by way of a trade or at least be able to support themselves when they got here. Under Labour and mass, open door policy, we have a system where anyone can come to the UK without a penny to support themselves. Thus, those desperate to escape a life of poverty, hardship or even civil war, jump at the chance to come to the UK where they are then exploited. They don't have the money when arriving to support themselves so they are prime targets for the slavery simply because they have nowhere else to go.

If we were far more selective In Immigration, the soft touches would not get Into the UK In the first place.

Sadly for your theory slavery and child abuse in america is every bit as bad if not worse than the uk but like the uk many like to pretend it doesn't happen or quite simply don't believe it.

I was a modern-day slave in America - Nov. 21, 2013

'Modern day slavery': America must fight epidemic of human trafficking here at home | Fox News

Not to worry the tories'ukip will repeal the human rights act and stop all that nonsense about everybody being of equal worth.

I would also ask what do you think the odds are that theresa may's new powers will be used on the bnp?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:06 pm

Oscar Namechange;1465333 wrote: I am now going to reply to this accusation.

First, show me any actual, documented evidence that the BNP 'spun ' as you put It that Multi-Culturism should be embraced. Who said that and where? Like everything else you have argued here, you are just making wild statements without any evidence to back up what you say.

Before:

BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | BNP to consider non-white members

After:

Like the British National Party, the English Democrats have a number of 'ethnic' members. But there is a crucial difference in how we regard them.

The British National Party, by contrast, recognises pro-British members of assimilated minorities as British in a civic sense, and welcomes their contribution to our fight for fair play for, and the future survival of, the indigenous peoples of these islands.
(Source: BNP Website)

And:

BNP votes to allow non-whites to join party | Daily Mail Online

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:23 pm

gmc;1465368 wrote: Sadly for your theory slavery and child abuse in america is every bit as bad if not worse than the uk but like the uk many like to pretend it doesn't happen or quite simply don't believe it.

I was a modern-day slave in America - Nov. 21, 2013

'Modern day slavery': America must fight epidemic of human trafficking here at home | Fox News

Not to worry the tories'ukip will repeal the human rights act and stop all that nonsense about everybody being of equal worth.

I would also ask what do you think the odds are that theresa may's new powers will be used on the bnp?

The woman In your link on the USA slavery was from Malaysia.... In the UK there was a case recently where a few were prosecuted In the Traveler community for slavery.

It also comes down to financial times... If unemployment Is high In any country, then there will be those who will seek to exploit the poor... nothing new there.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:01 pm

FourPart;1465381 wrote: Before:

BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | BNP to consider non-white members

After:

(Source: BNP Website)

And:

BNP votes to allow non-whites to join party | Daily Mail Online

This becomes more and more hypocritical by the moment. Throughout my threads, the use of the Daily Mail Is repeatedly critisized until such time It suits.

The BBC Is often brought Into question for biased reporting until such time It suits.

In the past the BBC along with the Daily Mail have repeatedly reported that Nick Griffin's Chairmanship was a totalitarian dictatorship In which the Constitution was such that Griffin did not have to consult the ruling Executive Committee when making any decisions.

So you explain to me, how, the very outlet who reported that In the past can now apparently report that Nick Griffin was to consult his Party about the amendments to the Constitution, as It can't be both can It ?

When are you actually going to realise that as a Party, we do not divulge anything to the media about the Internal affairs ? Any such report In newspapers Is purely assumption. In fact, I would actually admit we are quite secretive given decades of libel In newspapers to protect our people.

When the Constitution was challenged by Harriden Harmen In 2009... frankly, Nick had little choice but to have It re-written when she amended the Equality Bill... so why on earth would he have to ask the Party for permission ? Why on earth, given the circumstances, would anyone object to him changing It.

Nick Griffin going to his Elected Council and saying ' Look the b.itch has amended the Equality law so It's Comply Or Die and everyone saying ' Do what you have to do mate' Is worlds apart from ' embracing multi-culturism' as you put It, even by your distorted standards.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:33 pm

Oscar Namechange;1465391 wrote:

When are you actually going to realise that as a Party, we do not divulge anything to the media about the Internal affairs ? Any such report In newspapers Is purely assumption. In fact, I would actually admit we are quite secretive given decades of libel In newspapers to protect our people.

.

I'm not In the habit of quoting myself by sheer co-Incidence... I had an e mail from Griffin today that I have just read In full...so I will share one line with you...

Taken from an E mail today

When you have read it all please discuss it with all your BNP colleagues. But if any journalists ask for your views on such ***** leadership ******** tell them that internal BNP business is for our members to decide and that you have nothing to say to the liars of the controlled media.

And you still believe the BBC or the Daily Mail knows what we do Internally.... dream on

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:00 pm

I notice you didn't comment about the quote from the BNP Website.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:29 pm

FourPart;1465405 wrote: I notice you didn't comment about the quote from the BNP Website.

Do you mean the part where they claim the quote has come from the BNP website?

Why haven't you linked the BNP site to show that the quote they claim they took their words from, actually existed? Or shall we just accept the tabloids claim that It did?

It actually doesn't matter... what you omitted was this:

But Robin Allen QC, counsel for the commission, said Mr Griffin had agreed to present party members with a revised constitution at its general meeting next month and the party had agreed not to accept new members in the meantime.

Now, Fourpart, how exactly did Nick Griffin present party members with a revised constitution at the General meeting If he needed members to vote that they accept non whites?

That's what you said wasn't It ? That Nick Griffin had to ask members to embrace multi-culturism and change the constitution.

You're just not thinking this through are you?

How do you present something If you need others to vote on whether you do or not.?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:24 pm

Oscar Namechange;1465407 wrote: Do you mean the part where they claim the quote has come from the BNP website?

Why haven't you linked the BNP site to show that the quote they claim they took their words from, actually existed? Or shall we just accept the tabloids claim that It did?

Sorry - I assumed you knew where the BNP website was.

British National Party

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:58 am

FourPart;1465410 wrote: Sorry - I assumed you knew where the BNP website was.

British National Party

Oh come on !!!!

It's widely reported that the BNP website Is the most visited political website In the country.... Every one looks at It Including, regually the UAF, other rival nationalist factions, the media and mainstream parties... so do you seriously think that C*** B******* Is going to play our hands In print on the most visited website In the country?

:rolleyes::rolleyes::wah:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:23 am

Fourpart... while I have Indulged you In the past here, there Is absolutely no point In continuing this. Not because I can't but because the more you write, the more ridiculous accusations and assumption you throw up and I really don't have the time these days although If any member wants to discuss the topic of the thread, ie child grooming, I am happy to do that. All I am doing at the moment, Is giving you the opportunity so spout assumptive bile on a Party that you have no clue as to the workings and the people.

Despite, until 6 years ago, I was a fully paid up member of the Labour Party all of my adult life, I have absolutely no Idea of how they manage their Internal politics. For all I know, they could be sacrificing new born lambs on an altar at midnight during a full moon. I have no Idea how The Tory party manage Internal politics, they for all I know could be dancing around Stonehenge In some weird Pagan festival.

The point Is, I don't pretend I know. Yet you come here and write In print what you ' believe' to be true of the BNP. You even have the audacity to claim you are aware of Internal affairs and you write this as fact.

The truth Is, you know nothing. !!! Occassionally, people get lucky and an expelled member may leak confidential material on the Internet.... But you won't ever get It from me as hard as you try. What I won't do Is waste my time and energy correcting your libel. You carry on and say what you like. It's all be said before. Yet, what Is fact, Is you have never met Nick Griffin or Adam Walker, you have never been to a local branch meeting, a regional meeting, a conference or general meeting. You've met one dodgy geezer In your church and you believe that makes you an authority on my Party.?

Now... I will give you a titbit of Inside Info... General Election, May 2015... you watch Rotherham very, very closely !!!

Finally, I'll lay down a challenge to you seeing as you believe you know everything there Is to know about my Party and It's people.

In four weeks time, I will be Chairing a large meeting quite close to where you live that Includes your city. Usually It's members only of course but I Invite you as my guest as I can do. Seeing as, one of, either the President and the man you loathe so much, or the Chairman will be there, I challenge you to come along and I challenge you to confront either face to face with the accusations you have made here.

Don't worry, we never get violent but In a verbal sense, and because I do like a wager, I'll bet Nick Griffin or Adam Walker chews you up and spits you out within 5 minutes. Are you up for the challenge ?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:25 am

Oscar Namechange;1465425 wrote: Oh come on !!!!

It's widely reported that the BNP website Is the most visited political website In the country.... Every one looks at It Including, regually the UAF, other rival nationalist factions, the media and mainstream parties... so do you seriously think that C*** B******* Is going to play our hands In print on the most visited website In the country?
Now that DID make me laugh. If you really believe that the BNP website is the most visited website in the country you are sadly deluding yourself. Sure, a lot of people go there for a laugh, in the same way that people used to go for a laugh to watch the freak shows in passing fairs, or to watch the lunatics in the asylum, but even so - the most visited?

So, the likes of Amazon, YouTube, Google, Porn Sites, Tesco / Asda / Etc. are all to take tips from the likes of a tiny minority party as the BNP?

That has to be the best one yet.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:08 pm

My apologies. I misread the post & didn't notice the word 'Political'.

It is an interesting thing though as Hitwise (the survey company) say...

Robin Goad, Research Director at Hitwise, said: "Visits to a political party's website are not the same thing as votes in an election and this is borne out by the fact that the BNP has occupied its position as the most visited political party website for two years, but hasn't managed to translate this into electoral success.
BNP website is the most popular in politics - Telegraph

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:36 pm

So. The BNP took my advice did they? Far from asking Old Nick to take up the reins as Party Leader again, as Oscar told us was the situation, they've now expelled him from the party altogether. Not only as a candidate, it seems, but as a member.

BBC News - Nick Griffin expelled by BNP

Nick Griffin expelled from BNP membership | National News | British National Party

I never thought I would say it, but for once I must thank the BNP for putting a smile on my face to start the day by taking a positive action.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 1:30 am

What next joining up with old George ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:01 am

FourPart;1465458 wrote: So. The BNP took my advice did they? Far from asking Old Nick to take up the reins as Party Leader again, as Oscar told us was the situation, they've now expelled him from the party altogether. Not only as a candidate, it seems, but as a member.

BBC News - Nick Griffin expelled by BNP

Nick Griffin expelled from BNP membership | National News | British National Party

I never thought I would say it, but for once I must thank the BNP for putting a smile on my face to start the day by taking a positive action.

You really are talking out of your backside again.

What part of... I can not give Inside Info on this forum do you not get.

Let me try to put you straight without divulging confidential matter.

Go back through threads and you'll see I told you that at the end of November there was going to be the Mother of all show downs between the Chairman and The President. That tends to Indicate even to those with little understanding that there was something going on.

It had been going on for weeks. In short, the Party had begun to split Into two camps since Nick stepped down. In the North of the country, Adam Walker was widely supported, and In the South, there was an elite group who were disgruntled at Nick not being leader any more. Factions had begun Into the Griffinites and the Adamites. Just the same as we saw two years ago In the Brons leadership challenge that fragmented the Party and caused so much damage.

Some weeks ago when Adam became leader as voted In by the Executive committee, as was his right and as Griffin has done In the past, he replaced a few In key positions. Nothing wrong with that, he could do that under Party Constitution. Some of those were loyal to Griffin. So as they served out their notices, they tried to force an Extraordinary General meeting with a 14 day deadline rather than wait for the General meeting at the end of November where all their gripes would be revealed. They gave the 14 day deadline to Walker In order that they still had a vote In the period of serving out their notices. Beyond 14 days, they'd have no say, and they made accusations that Adam had replaced them In order to get Griffin supporters off the the Executive Committee and create his ' Wigton Soviet' as they dubbed It.

Then I got an e mail from a key figure asking me to support them In demanding the EGM. I abstained. I also refused to discuss this with members at meetings and I gave my reasons why.

Then I was sent a report from Nick Griffin with serious allegations about the Admin at HQ, this report took me an hour and 3 quarters just to read.

Then It was leaked onto the Internet, suspected by those In the South wanting the EGM. This leaked report whipped up the fervour of the Griffinites all the more and Walker would not be bullied Into an EGM. Some of those people are then making the big mistake of writing on their branch sites that the Idea was to force an EGM while those serving out their notice still had a vote and when they got one, they'd call for a vote of no confidence In Walker. So as I told you, the members wanted Griffin reinstated as leader.

However, It backfired on them. Griffin then started e mailing officials with further accusations about Walker and his team... the team that he actually put In place during his own leadership ! I was one of the officials he e mailed with these allegations.. as has been reported In the Telegraph today.

Walker Insisted we all wait until the General meeting to have this out at the end of November... as I predicted, the Mother of all showdowns but that showdown had to be brought forward because of Griffins Increasing pressure on officials... as reported In the tabloids.

Last night, Adam Walker did what he had to do to stop this pressure being put on us to divide the Party again ... as reported In tabloids.

This has nothing to do with Nick calling one of them a useless lazy twat last night... this has been going on for a few months... You do not have the leaked report or the E mails... I did... yet you came here proffessing to know all there Is to know about the Internal workings of the Party.

If you think the BNP took your advice, you are In another world to us :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:55 pm

Oscar Namechange;1465136 wrote: Fact ? Really ?

First of all, get your facts right.

Nick Griffin was not ousted. He stepped down. But that's what happens when you read the Sun and are not actually present during an ECC.

The members are beginning to recognise this are they ? Oh right... and that's why they have called for an Extraordinary General Meeting to reverse the leadership and put Griffin back as leader...but then, surely you knew about that, what with you knowing all there Is to know on the BNP.

Under Griffin, In 2009 we had 112 elected councillor's and 2 MEP's and a membership of one million.

Now.. show me actual, documented evidence of where Griffin has lied, done a U turn or abandoned his grass roots unlike those In Parliament today. You can do that can't you ?

Finally, tattoo'd, shaven haired, flag wavers... .... oh yeah... because, look at them, all shaven headed, showing off their tattoo's :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl I think you're confusing us with the EDL...you need to get out more :yh_rotfl

BNP Activists hit Devon towns | Regional News | British National Party

Need I say more?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:50 pm

FourPart;1465519 wrote: Need I say more? The leaked Griffin document of which I was sent by Griffin was not about the leadership. It was about other Issue's he had that I can't put here.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:02 pm

So, you are denying that you said this about the EGM being about asking NG to return as leader?

[QUOTE]The members are beginning to recognise this are they ? Oh right... and that's why they have called for an Extraordinary General Meeting to reverse the leadership and put Griffin back as leader...but then, surely you knew about that, what with you knowing all there Is to know on the BNP.[QUOTE]

You were the one who raised the matter of the EGM.

You were the one that said he was being asked to take the reins again.

As I've said elsewhere, if I were a swinging voter vaguely considering voting for BNP, it is this action alone that would trip the balance in the BNP's favour.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 7:46 pm

Another lot convicted.

Gang jailed for total of 28 years for trafficking girl, 13, for sex (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)