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Hi folks from the 42 year old male newbie. I found this site while searching "effexor XR". I read a post on here about the "black dogs" returning. I forget who it was by though.

His post made me tear up because it's pretty much where I'm at now.

I've had depression & anxiety since around 1998 when I came out as a gay man. The gossip hound of the food distribution warehouse that I worked in made sure EVERYONE (200+) people (mostly men) knew about it.



Soon, there were crudely drawn pics of me in various gay sexual acts on the bathroom walls, on the picnic table we used at break time and other places. There was also the near constant snickering, jokes and snide comments.

I thought I was tough emotionally and could handle all this bull sh*t but in less than a year I found out otherwise. I was 29 years old & had never been truly depressed or had anxiety before. I didn't even know what those were!

I absolutely dreaded going to work. It took all my will power just to walk into the building. I felt like I was about to cry at any moment and could not take any type of criticism without feeling terrible. Meetings were terrible. If there was laughter (and there always was) my mind kept telling me that soon the laughter would be directed at me. My anxiety went through the roof. I remember one time during an especially bad panic attack ...getting up, walking to the bathroom and just standing there. I had to get out of that meeting and that room. Of course, walking back into the room a few minutes later wasn't fun.

My anxiety and depression got really bad and I couldn't go to work. I just couldn't. I took emergency personal time off so I didn't get fired. I mostly just stayed home, freaked out and watched the clock slowly tick the seconds and minutes by. It was hell. I remember the worst thing being how slowly time went by. I ended up in the HR directors office trying to talk but just crying... not knowing what was wrong with me. Ugh... that sucked!

I finally had to quit work. I couldn't do it anymore. 11 years of service at a great paying job... down the drain. :(

I eventually saw a shrink and was prescribed zoloft and buspar. It helped get me out of the major depression but I never "fixed" the underlying issues that caused the depression and anxiety. I hated the sexual side effects that SSRIs have on me. Sex is pretty important evidently. Let's see... do I want to feel better or do I want to have sex? With SSRIs, it is one or the other... not both.

Over the last decade or so I've been self medicating with alcohol. Not good, I know but it really helped my social anxiety. Before my coming out at work, I hated alcohol of any kind. I rarely drank. However, I've slowly worked my way up to drinking 1/2 gallon of vodka a week by myself at home.

That's the history... now the recent...

Everything was going as good as can be expected. I've not felt really happy or comfortable in my skin since I quit work but I haven't had a major depressive episode. So, I figured that's a good thing.

About a week ago I had a panic attack in my sleep. Scary scary stuff. When I've had panic attacks in the past (grocery store, family gatherings etc) I've avoided the situations that cause them. Well, I can't avoid SLEEP! :-5

I thought it was just anxiety because I've been so hyped up and crazy feeling. I can't sit still most of the time. I'm constantly thinking about stupid things... thoughts racing. My chest gets all tight and "hot", time passes super slow and I wake up over and over when I try to sleep.

I went to the local clinic yesterday. They are kind of a last resort type of place that people go when they don't have insurance or a lot of money. Needless to say, the care isn't top notch. Heck, it's barely adequate! :-3

They attempted to do an EKG for some reason but the stickers wouldn't stick on my hairy chest. It was almost comical. Instead of shaving me the nurse kept trying to get them to stick and making the EKG machine work. Finally she got the machine to print something out. The doc came soon after and told me she didn't trust the machines findings because it was showing that I had a heart attack!

That's not something you tell someone with anxiety! I should have demanded that they do EKG to be sure but I really wanted to get the heck out of there.

She gave me a script for 15 .25 mg of alprazolam. They help at night but I'm still waking up many times and I'm hopelessly stuck in this incredibly deep "funk". I fear being alone so my significant other has been calling in sick at work to be with me. I'm so glad I have him. We've been together for 11 years!

I'm almost done... I promise!

During the last decade on a few occasions, I've bought antidepressants from the internet when I've felt depression coming on. I research them thoroughly before taking them. I know dosages and side effects better than if I got these from a doctor. I currently have 30 Effexor XR 75 that I didn't take. Should I start taking these myself or go see a real doctor (expensive and anxiety inducing) and have a doc write me a script for whatever drug he thinks is best?

I need to feel better ASAP. I can't stress that enough. ASAP! I can't take much more of this depression.
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I need to feel better ASAP. I can't stress that enough. ASAP!




Dont we all.
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It appears to me reading this sad post that you have suffered psychological abuse and trauma that you need to deal with before you can move forward. You also cannot self medicate since one day it might kill you. There are issues here that only professionals can deal with. Until you face the psychological part of your problem, I don't think meds are going to truly help you. You are a gay man, so what? Hold your head up high and be who you are and not listen to what ignorant others have to say. Once you can do that, you will be just fine. It's almost like you are fighting against the fact that you are gay. Embrace it and live your life the way you want to live it. I wish you all the best your chosen life has to offer you. Now, before I slap you, hold your head up high and smile :)
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I agree with Jazzy , what ever happened to you in the past is still having a major effect on your life now.I dont think self medicating is the best thing to do, you should maybe see a proffesional who can find other ways to help with the depression and panick attacks, just talking about your feelings and how you have been treated by these people in the past can help.

These norrow minded people have already ruined part of your life,dont let what happened control the rest of your life.

Be strong you have a partner, who sounds very supportive and im sure he will continue to give you the love and help you need.:)
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Don, as some of us on FG know, anxiety/panic attacks/depression can be hell. I'm so sorry that you're going through it.

There's a very good UK forum you could visit. I'm not sure if I can post the link here, so I'll pm it to you.

Take care

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Could you try and cut yourself off from what you remember ? They were ignorant and cruel - so what part of that kind of group behaviour is right? What part of it should you carry in your gut? There are laws against that kind of treatment in the workplace.

I really hope you come to the place of peace you seek. I really enjoyed a book by a psychiatrist recently - David Burns -"Feeling Good. "I borrowed it form the library. He helps us deal with our " Self Talk" you know, all those ghastly unkind things we think against ourselves. It's the kind of book I want to go back to and see my progress so I'll get it out again in a month.

I've felt for years I didn't fit in , but , honestly some people are stupid, weak and judgemental. Their opinion is worth nothing. They are smalll people and can't help their weakenss, can't see where they are at. It WAS vile, but you can find other scenarios where you will be validated. You really can have different experiences in your future.Sooo many of us have these terrified feelings and don't know how to ask for help. Look at the faces around you. You are not nuts. You're part of the human race and we all need support.
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"Say it loud: I'm Gay and Proud."

You damn well should be! By just coming out you've done something that many people NEVER do! And you have a partner, so there must be things about you worth loving. Your partner certainly thinks so. Or he wouldn't be there.

So, already it is clear that you are better than you seem to think you are. I don't know you so can't suggest places to start, but really recommend you check out theia's link to a forum that might help.

All the best.
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Thank you all for the kind words. Today I took the 1st step by going to the "crisis center" at the hospital. It was kind of scary as they took all my belongings, made me change into hospital clothes and socks and i soon realized I was locked in this crisis center. I had acidentally checked myself into the "looney bin"! Whoops!

That is not the kind of stuff an anxious person with claustrophobia wants to have happen to them.

Luckily, my S/O came with me and was allowed to be in the crisis center to calm me down.

We spent about 3 hours in there. I have more appts next week with a social worker and then a shrink. I feel like I'm on the way to getting better.
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Your problem could be physical as well. Example: A male friend about your age was acting extremely depressed, paranoid & exhibiting signs of a mental disorder. After many tests they discovered that his electrolytes were out of balance. The proper meds quickly put him back on track. Later, another friend was in the hospital for tests, put there by her mother because she was acting paranoid. The mother was preparing to have her committed. I had learned about the male friend a short time before so I suggested to a cousin of the friend that she insist that they check her hormonal balance. I knew she was at the age where she could have been in peri menopause. I went out to Kansas to see her about a month later and she was her normal self. Just a thought. And by all means check out the site that Theia gave you. Good luck.
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A woman I know, her husband committed suicide a couple of days ago. Im having a very hard time comprehending this act of his.

The service was tonight and soon he will be buried in the ground.

Thats a very final solution to any problem.

Your life, our lives by nature are filled with pain and suffering.

I had a discussion with someone I respect recently concerning the mistakes we make in our lives and the effect they have on our future experiences.

We were on the same page in that we both vehemently agreed and believe that there is great knowledge to be extracted from suffering.

No one wants to feel shitty but its inevitable.

Theres this sentiment I find very touching.



"When you are joyous, look deep into your heart and you shall find it is only that which has given you sorrow that is giving you joy.

When you are sorrowful look again in your heart, and you shall see that in truth you are weeping for that which has been your delight."

Kahlil Gibran



In other words the two experiences are intertwined. These emotions are a marriage between the lightness and darkness in our lives. They cannot be separated because they comprise all of the moments that make up the content of our lives.

Your pain believe it or not can be the great beauty in your life. Not as a martyr because martyrs live only to be an example of how great their suffering is. Theres no personal growth in suffering if it doesnt evolve into it becoming your teacher in how to live beyond the moment.

The joy in your life is accentuated by moving beyond what has ailed you in the past. Learning from pain is a highly effective tool in teaching yourself how to live beyond what you have always done by not repeating the same torturous cycle over and over. It can show you a better way to live by allowing yourself the freedom to extract vital knowledge about behavior patterns you have indulged in in the past and using those lessons to behave and perceive new situations in a different light. Evolve into that which you wish to be by willing it so.
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Nomad;1259951 wrote: A woman I know, her husband committed suicide a couple of days ago. Im having a very hard time comprehending this act of his.

The service was tonight and soon he will be buried in the ground.

Thats a very final solution to any problem.

Your life, our lives by nature are filled with pain and suffering.

I had a discussion with someone I respect recently concerning the mistakes we make in our lives and the effect they have on our future experiences.

We were on the same page in that we both vehemently agreed and believe that there is great knowledge to be extracted from suffering.

No one wants to feel shitty but its inevitable.

Theres this sentiment I find very touching.



"When you are joyous, look deep into your heart and you shall find it is only that which has given you sorrow that is giving you joy.

When you are sorrowful look again in your heart, and you shall see that in truth you are weeping for that which has been your delight."

Kahlil Gibran



In other words the two experiences are intertwined. These emotions are a marriage between the lightness and darkness in our lives. They cannot be separated because they comprise all of the moments that make up the content of our lives.

Your pain believe it or not can be the great beauty in your life. Not as a martyr because martyrs live only to be an example of how great their suffering is. Theres no personal growth in suffering if it doesnt evolve into it becoming your teacher in how to live beyond the moment.

The joy in your life is accentuated by moving beyond what has ailed you in the past. Learning from pain is a highly effective tool in teaching yourself how to live beyond what you have always done by not repeating the same torturous cycle over and over. It can show you a better way to live by allowing yourself the freedom to extract vital knowledge about behavior patterns you have indulged in in the past and using those lessons to behave and perceive new situations in a different light. Evolve into that which you wish to be by willing it so.


Wow, what a post to be greeted with first thing in my morning. I shall read and reread it today. Your depths of understanding, insight and compassion are amazing, Nomad. Thank you.
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theia;1259959 wrote: Wow, what a post to be greeted with first thing in my morning. I shall read and reread it today. Your depths of understanding, insight and compassion are amazing, Nomad. Thank you.


My thoughts exactly. Thanks, Nomad.
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d0n;1259482 wrote: Hi folks from the 42 year old male newbie. I found this site while searching "effexor XR". I read a post on here about the "black dogs" returning. I forget who it was by though.



His post made me tear up because it's pretty much where I'm at now.



I've had depression & anxiety since around 1998 when I came out as a gay man. The gossip hound of the food distribution warehouse that I worked in made sure EVERYONE (200+) people (mostly men) knew about it.



Soon, there were crudely drawn pics of me in various gay sexual acts on the bathroom walls, on the picnic table we used at break time and other places. There was also the near constant snickering, jokes and snide comments.



I thought I was tough emotionally and could handle all this bull sh*t but in less than a year I found out otherwise. I was 29 years old & had never been truly depressed or had anxiety before. I didn't even know what those were!



I absolutely dreaded going to work. It took all my will power just to walk into the building. I felt like I was about to cry at any moment and could not take any type of criticism without feeling terrible. Meetings were terrible. If there was laughter (and there always was) my mind kept telling me that soon the laughter would be directed at me. My anxiety went through the roof. I remember one time during an especially bad panic attack ...getting up, walking to the bathroom and just standing there. I had to get out of that meeting and that room. Of course, walking back into the room a few minutes later wasn't fun.



My anxiety and depression got really bad and I couldn't go to work. I just couldn't. I took emergency personal time off so I didn't get fired. I mostly just stayed home, freaked out and watched the clock slowly tick the seconds and minutes by. It was hell. I remember the worst thing being how slowly time went by. I ended up in the HR directors office trying to talk but just crying... not knowing what was wrong with me. Ugh... that sucked!



I finally had to quit work. I couldn't do it anymore. 11 years of service at a great paying job... down the drain. :(



I eventually saw a shrink and was prescribed zoloft and buspar. It helped get me out of the major depression but I never "fixed" the underlying issues that caused the depression and anxiety. I hated the sexual side effects that SSRIs have on me. Sex is pretty important evidently. Let's see... do I want to feel better or do I want to have sex? With SSRIs, it is one or the other... not both.



Over the last decade or so I've been self medicating with alcohol. Not good, I know but it really helped my social anxiety. Before my coming out at work, I hated alcohol of any kind. I rarely drank. However, I've slowly worked my way up to drinking 1/2 gallon of vodka a week by myself at home.



That's the history... now the recent...



Everything was going as good as can be expected. I've not felt really happy or comfortable in my skin since I quit work but I haven't had a major depressive episode. So, I figured that's a good thing.



About a week ago I had a panic attack in my sleep. Scary scary stuff. When I've had panic attacks in the past (grocery store, family gatherings etc) I've avoided the situations that cause them. Well, I can't avoid SLEEP! :-5



I thought it was just anxiety because I've been so hyped up and crazy feeling. I can't sit still most of the time. I'm constantly thinking about stupid things... thoughts racing. My chest gets all tight and "hot", time passes super slow and I wake up over and over when I try to sleep.



I went to the local clinic yesterday. They are kind of a last resort type of place that people go when they don't have insurance or a lot of money. Needless to say, the care isn't top notch. Heck, it's barely adequate! :-3



They attempted to do an EKG for some reason but the stickers wouldn't stick on my hairy chest. It was almost comical. Instead of shaving me the nurse kept trying to get them to stick and making the EKG machine work. Finally she got the machine to print something out. The doc came soon after and told me she didn't trust the machines findings because it was showing that I had a heart attack!



That's not something you tell someone with anxiety! I should have demanded that they do EKG to be sure but I really wanted to get the heck out of there.



She gave me a script for 15 .25 mg of alprazolam. They help at night but I'm still waking up many times and I'm hopelessly stuck in this incredibly deep "funk". I fear being alone so my significant other has been calling in sick at work to be with me. I'm so glad I have him. We've been together for 11 years!



I'm almost done... I promise!



During the last decade on a few occasions, I've bought antidepressants from the internet when I've felt depression coming on. I research them thoroughly before taking them. I know dosages and side effects better than if I got these from a doctor. I currently have 30 Effexor XR 75 that I didn't take. Should I start taking these myself or go see a real doctor (expensive and anxiety inducing) and have a doc write me a script for whatever drug he thinks is best?



I need to feel better ASAP. I can't stress that enough. ASAP! I can't take much more of this depression.
Hi Don.

Long post, long answer.

First of all, do NOT take ANYTHING you get from the internet. A) It is very dangerous to self diagnose, and B) the meds may not be what you think they are. (could be really ripped off dude. or poisoned.)

D0n, listen carefully honey.

Go back into therapy. They can adjust the meds as required. Plus it gives you an outlet.

Yes sex is important, but good relationships are not built on sex. They consist of much more important things.

You are who you are. You have as much right as any other human being in this life to exist and be happy. American DofI spells that out really well. You have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It does NOT promise you results, but there it is.

For all your worry and pain, consider what happened in Larame. At least your physical person is not threatened.

You are the only one who has to accept who you are. If you are happy within yourself, then let go of worrying over what others may think. They are not important.

Go back to work. Be productive in your life. Dont stay at home afraid. That will make your depression worse.

Yes you ARE important. And needed. You just have to find your niche in life. Be around other people who are going through exactly what you are going through.

Get back to the Doctor! They can adjust your meds! Go to the emergency room if clinic is closed. And dont give up! Keep talking till someone actually LISTENS!!

Good luck honey.
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Great responses people. Thank you. Truly, thank you.

Today has actually been somewhat calm. I haven't felt the overwhelming anxiety/deep despair that I have in the recent past. It's been nice to be able to sit down for a while and compute or watch Tv.
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d0n;1260107 wrote: Great responses people. Thank you. Truly, thank you.



Today has actually been somewhat calm. I haven't felt the overwhelming anxiety/deep despair that I have in the recent past. It's been nice to be able to sit down for a while and compute or watch Tv.
There is nothing in life worth despairing like that over. It is just a matter of time before your nervous system gets back to functioning correctly, so hang in there sweety.
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d0n;1260107 wrote: Great responses people. Thank you. Truly, thank you.



Today has actually been somewhat calm. I haven't felt the overwhelming anxiety/deep despair that I have in the recent past. It's been nice to be able to sit down for a while and compute or watch Tv.


No matter what youre thinking or how youre feeling if you do the right thing as opposed to acting on feelings that are misguided or acting out on thoughts that are unclear and muddled then your path is the correct one.

I assume youre clear enough to make rational decisions.

If you act clearly and with purpose your thoughts and feelings will follow.

Reduce your vision to the present by ignoring the things you cant control. Concentrate on the things you can control and act on them with the intent to succeed. Be purposeful.
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Nomad;1260143 wrote: No matter what youre thinking or how youre feeling if you do the right thing as opposed to acting on feelings that are misguided or acting out on thoughts that are unclear and muddled then your path is the correct one.

I assume youre clear enough to make rational decisions.

If you act clearly and with purpose your thoughts and feelings will follow.

Reduce your vision to the present by ignoring the things you cant control. Concentrate on the things you can control and act on them with the intent to succeed. Be purposeful.


No better advice written.

Also remove as much negativity from your life as you are able to. News....reading the daily news can really bring a person down, if you can let that go do so, it's a small step but it's the right idea, who needs extra over burdening negativity as that which we gleen from the daily news.

Good luck to you and hey if you are finding FG helpful, that is good sometimes just being anonamous on a forum is therapy too.

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