spot the bookmaker's X-Factor Gambling Hell

Post by **spot** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:22 pm

Chezzie;1051255 wrote: ok Spot another $2000 to you cos Laura went out tonight:(

That makes a lot of difference to all my odds then - it reduces my exposure as well, I was out on a limb to Mike with her.

I'll re-do the odds in the morning and put them up again. Any new bets from now are at the new odds.

Commiserations Carolly and Chez, neither of you deserves the rough end of the stick.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:50 am

waiting for the new odds:yh_wait:yh_wait:yh_wait

Post by **spot** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:01 am

Here are the revised odds for bets made this week leading into November 15th's contest.

Diana Vickers, Mentored by Cheryl, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 1,600 casino dollars

Alexandra Burke, Mentored by Cheryl, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 4,000 casino dollars

Then there's the odd remaining band and that pretty boy

JLS, Mentored by Louis, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 12,000 casino dollars

Eoghan Quigg, Mentored by Simon, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 8,000 casino dollars

and finally the outright losers, the no-hopers, the lame ducks

Rachel Hylton, Mentored by Dannii, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 14,000 casino dollars

Ruth Lorenzo, Mentored by Dannii, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 30,000 casino dollars

Danny Evans, Mentored by Dannii, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 120,000 casino dollars

Cheryl, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 1,200 casino dollars

Simon, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 9,000 casino dollars

Dannii, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 14,000 casino dollars

Louis, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 12,000 casino dollars

I'll pay out 5,000 casino dollars if it's either of Alexandra or Diana who get kicked off on November 15th, for every 1,000 casino dollars staked.

For the other five I'll pay out 2,500 casino dollars if you name the contestant who gets kicked off on November 15th, for every 1,000 casino dollars staked.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:04 am

oh thanks spot:D right i'll have $1000 on Eoghan to win, and $1000 on Ruth to win:D

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:33 am

do we post new bets and that cancels our previous bets or are old and new bets counted?

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:45 am

Chezzie;1051465 wrote: do we post new bets and that cancels our previous bets or are old and new bets counted?

i would think once you have made a bet,, it stays at the odds when you bet on it,, then new bets will be at the most recent odds:-3

Post by **spot** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:02 am

Chezzie;1051465 wrote: do we post new bets and that cancels our previous bets or are old and new bets counted?

The old bets run at the original agreed odds until they win or lose. New bets are at the new rates.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:13 am

spot;1051486 wrote: The old bets run at the original agreed odds until they win or lose. New bets are at the new rates.

okey dokey:-6

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:53 pm

OK, What is with the British voting public? Voting out Laura, have they lost their minds? She was brilliant; she shouldn’t have even been in the bottom two. I can’t believe it! I have been watching this show for years and I have never seen such a bad decision, what the hell is Louis Walsh thinking the gobshyte, he obviously know that JLS couldn’t beat her so he is better off getting rid of her, but in doing so he has potentially ended a career of a fantastic singer.

OK, so now that I have lost my money on Laura I need now to vote for Alexandra. After the last few shows she has certainly evolved as the strongest performer, but the public will probably vote her out as well because clearly they have not taste for real talent.

G-man · Post by **G-man** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:14 pm

So Diana is still in it, then?

Post by **spot** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:51 pm

mikeinie;1052068 wrote: OK, so now that I have lost my money on Laura I need now to vote for Alexandra. After the last few shows she has certainly evolved as the strongest performer, but the public will probably vote her out as well because clearly they have not taste for real talent.
You already have 10,000 casino dollars riding on Alexandra and 5,000 casino dollars riding on Rachel, it's only the bet on Laura that's sunk so far. Would you like to increase your bet on Alexandra?

mikeinie;1040537 wrote: I’ll put 20K on Laura, what a fantastic singer.

Diana Vickers drives me nuts with all that hand to the face garbage movements. I think people will get bored with her soon. I am not betting on her at all.

I will put 10K on Alexandra: fantastic!

I will put 5k on Rachel, if she can hold it together she will do well, but she is a high risk.

Get rid of all of the guys, they are wimps and cry like babies.

and my remaining exposure with you is

spot;1042263 wrote:

Mike on Alexandra betting 10,000 to win 50,000

Mike on Rachel betting 5,000 to win 125,000

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:03 am

spot;1052141 wrote: You already have 10,000 casino dollars riding on Alexandra and 5,000 casino dollars riding on Rachel, it's only the bet on Laura that's sunk so far. Would you like to increase your bet on Alexandra?

and my remaining exposure with you is

I want to up my bet on Alexandra to 20K

Post by **spot** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:17 am

mikeinie;1052271 wrote: I want to up my bet on Alexandra to 20K

Thank you Mike, your new amalgamated bets are

Mike on Alexandra betting 20,000 casino dollars to win 90,000 casino dollars

Mike on Rachel betting 5,000 casino dollars to win 125,000 casino dollars

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:44 am

mikeinie;1052068 wrote: OK, What is with the British voting public? Voting out Laura, have they lost their minds? She was brilliant; she shouldn’t have even been in the bottom two. I can’t believe it! I have been watching this show for years and I have never seen such a bad decision, what the hell is Louis Walsh thinking the gobshyte, he obviously know that JLS couldn’t beat her so he is better off getting rid of her, but in doing so he has potentially ended a career of a fantastic singer.

OK, so now that I have lost my money on Laura I need now to vote for Alexandra. After the last few shows she has certainly evolved as the strongest performer, but the public will probably vote her out as well because clearly they have not taste for real talent.
I totally agree Mike,,,, even though i have a bet on Rachel i thought she was shocking and was surprised she got through

G-man;1052073 wrote: So Diana is still in it, then?
Yes she couldnt perform because of a bad case of laryngitus, but she is still in:)

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:46 am

Spot did you get my last bets i put on|?:-3

Post by **spot** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:51 am

kazalala;1052595 wrote: Spot did you get my last bets i put on|?:-3

Yes, if they're in the thread then they're in my book.

Your lines currently read

Kaz on Eoghan betting 1,000 to win 8,000

Kaz on Alexandra betting 2,000 to win 9,500

Kaz on Rachel betting 1,000 to win 25,000

Kaz on Ruth betting 1,000 to win 30,000

You're not betting on who will get knocked out this week? The options, if you want to go for that too, are that:I'll pay out 5,000 casino dollars if it's either of Alexandra or Diana who get kicked off on November 15th, for every 1,000 casino dollars staked.

For the other five I'll pay out 2,500 casino dollars if you name the contestant who gets kicked off on November 15th, for every 1,000 casino dollars staked.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:58 am

spot;1052973 wrote: Yes, if they're in the thread then they're in my book.

Your lines currently read

Kaz on Eoghan betting 1,000 to win 8,000

Kaz on Alexandra betting 2,000 to win 9,500

Kaz on Rachel betting 1,000 to win 25,000

Kaz on Ruth betting 1,000 to win 30,000

You're not betting on who will get knocked out this week? The options, if you want to go for that too, are that:I'll pay out 5,000 casino dollars if it's either of Alexandra or Diana who get kicked off on November 15th, for every 1,000 casino dollars staked.

For the other five I'll pay out 2,500 casino dollars if you name the contestant who gets kicked off on November 15th, for every 1,000 casino dollars staked.Spot you are getting sooooo bad:wah::D

Post by **spot** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:00 pm

Carolly;1052979 wrote: Spot you are getting sooooo bad:wah::D

I am?

Alright, you're twisting my arm but - only because it's you, mind - I'll let those out even further. I'm cutting my own throat here, there's no way I'll survive at this rate but if it brings a bit of pleasure then why not. It's why we're put here in the first place.

I'll pay out 8,000 casino dollars if it's either of Alexandra or Diana who get kicked off on November 15th, for every 1,000 casino dollars staked.

For the other five I'll pay out 4,000 casino dollars if you name the contestant who gets kicked off on November 15th, for every 1,000 casino dollars staked.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:31 pm

spot;1052973 wrote: Yes, if they're in the thread then they're in my book.

Your lines currently read

Kaz on Eoghan betting 1,000 to win 8,000

Kaz on Alexandra betting 2,000 to win 9,500

Kaz on Rachel betting 1,000 to win 25,000

Kaz on Ruth betting 1,000 to win 30,000

You're not betting on who will get knocked out this week? The options, if you want to go for that too, are that:I'll pay out 5,000 casino dollars if it's either of Alexandra or Diana who get kicked off on November 15th, for every 1,000 casino dollars staked.

For the other five I'll pay out 2,500 casino dollars if you name the contestant who gets kicked off on November 15th, for every 1,000 casino dollars staked.

i dunno,, who can predict anything with the way the public are voting???? its getting harder to say who will be going thats for sure,,

think i'll pass on that one for now,, well if one of my bts win i will have covered what i paid out and made some profit:D

Post by **spot** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:14 am

The current bets are

Chezzie on Cheryl betting 2,000 casino dollars to win 2,000 casino dollars

Chezzie on Diana betting 1,000 casino dollars to win 2,000 casino dollars

Chezzie on JLS betting 1,000 casino dollars to win 20,000 casino dollars

Carolly on Cheryl betting 20,000 casino dollars to win 20,000 casino dollars

Immy on Diana betting 1,000 casino dollars to win 2,000 casino dollars

Kaz on Eoghan betting 1,000 casino dollars to win 8,000 casino dollars

Kaz on Alexandra betting 2,000 casino dollars to win 9,500 casino dollars

Kaz on Rachel betting 1,000 casino dollars to win 25,000 casino dollars

Kaz on Ruth betting 1,000 casino dollars to win 30,000 casino dollars

Mike on Alexandra betting 20,000 casino dollars to win 90,000 casino dollars

Mike on Rachel betting 5,000 casino dollars to win 125,000 casino dollars

Milly on Diana betting 3,000 casino dollars to win 6,000 casino dollars

spot the bookmaker faces losses or gains on the following scale

If Diana wins I'm 23,000 casino dollars up

If Ruth wins I'm 29,000 casino dollars up

If JLS wins I'm 39,000 casino dollars up

If Eoghan wins I'm 51,000 casino dollars up

If Alexandra wins I'm 83,500 casino dollars down

If Rachel wins I'm 96,000 casino dollars down

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:34 pm

Alex was the best tonight IMO,,, Rachel was loads better this week than last,,, wasnt too keen on Diana this weeek,, or Eoghan, but more the song than him

expected better from Ruth too. jls were pretty good. Daniel ,,, same as every week:rolleyes:

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:48 pm

Dianes voice I do not like I have decided and no way should she still be there and Lauras out IMO.

Post by **spot** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:54 pm

Daniel Evans has become the sixth act to be booted off ITV's X Factor.

The 38-year-old pool cleaner lost a sing-off against Rachel Hylton with a performance of the Simon and Garfunkel hit Bridge Over Troubled Water.

Judges Louis Walsh, Cheryl Cole and Simon Cowell all voted to oust Evans, sparing Danii Minogue, the mentor of both acts, from choosing between them.

BBC NEWS | Entertainment | Daniel Evans gets X Factor boot

Post by **spot** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:05 pm

Nobody had anything riding on Daniel - people have bets on everyone else except him.

There are six contestants left in the game:

Diana (backed by Immy and Milly and Chez)

Alexandra (backed by Kaz and Mike)

Eoghan (backed by Kaz)

JLS (backed by Chez)

Rachel (backed by Kaz and Mike)

Ruth (backed by Kaz)

Post by **spot** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:43 am

Here are the revised odds for bets made this week leading into November 22nd's contest.

Diana Vickers, Mentored by Cheryl, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 1,500 casino dollars

Alexandra Burke, Mentored by Cheryl, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 3,000 casino dollars

Then there's that pretty boy and the odd remaining band

Eoghan Quigg, Mentored by Simon, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 7,000 casino dollars

JLS, Mentored by Louis, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 10,000 casino dollars

and finally the outright losers, the no-hopers, the lame ducks

Rachel Hylton, Mentored by Dannii, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 12,000 casino dollars

Ruth Lorenzo, Mentored by Dannii, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 25,000 casino dollars

Cheryl, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 1,200 casino dollars

Simon, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 7,000 casino dollars

Dannii, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 10,000 casino dollars

Louis, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 10,000 casino dollars

I'll pay out 4,000 casino dollars if it's either of Alexandra or Diana who get kicked off on November 22nd, for every 1,000 casino dollars staked.

For the other four I'll pay out 2,000 casino dollars if you name the contestant who gets kicked off on November 22nd, for every 1,000 casino dollars staked.

The current running bets are

Chezzie on Cheryl betting 2,000 to win 2,000

Chezzie on Diana betting 1,000 to win 2,000

Chezzie on JLS betting 1,000 to win 20,000

Milly on Diana betting 3,000 to win 6,000

Immy on Diana betting 1,000 to win 2,000

Carolly on Cheryl betting 20,000 to win 20,000

Kaz on Eoghan betting 1,000 to win 8,000

Kaz on Alexandra betting 2,000 to win 9,500

Kaz on Rachel betting 1,000 to win 25,000

Kaz on Ruth betting 1,000 to win 30,000

Mike on Alexandra betting 20,000 casino dollars to win 90,000 casino dollars

Mike on Rachel betting 5,000 casino dollars to win 125,000 casino dollars

As things stand, spot the bookmaker will (depending on the final winner) be up or down from now by a further

Rachel down 100

Alexandra down 86.5

Diana up 21

Ruth up 25

JLS up 35

Eoghan up 47

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:15 am

Oh dear Spot,, dont look good for you:yh_rotfl I seem to have the most bets on here, although not for as much money as others:sneaky:

OK i will take a bet on who will get kicked out next week...

I will have $2000 on Rachel to be kicked off next week:D

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:38 pm

kazalala;1059495 wrote: Oh dear Spot,, dont look good for you:yh_rotfl I seem to have the most bets on here, although not for as much money as others:sneaky:

OK i will take a bet on who will get kicked out next week...

I will have $2000 on Rachel to be kicked off next week:D

think my bets looking good:sneaky::D

Post by **spot** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:57 pm

kazalala;1066555 wrote: think my bets looking good:sneaky::D

It is?

It's on now?

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:59 pm

spot;1066572 wrote: It is?

It's on now?

its finished now,,, results show is on later:D

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:02 am

I won I won :guitarist:guitarist:D

Post by **spot** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:08 am

kazalala;1066989 wrote: I won I won :guitarist:guitarist:D

Rachel's been eliminated?

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:12 am

spot;1066996 wrote: Rachel's been eliminated?

Yes:D

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:18 am

poor Spot:D

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:25 am

Chezzie;1067008 wrote: poor Spot:D

yep,,, think he has ran out of dosh too:sneaky::-2:-3

Post by **spot** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:25 am

Not at all, Chez, it's a net gain for me this week.

Kaz wins 4,000 casino dollars on her 2,000 bet on Rachel's elimination, less her 1,000 on Rachel to win, and I pay her 3,000 casino dollars. Congratulations Kaza, it's in the post!

Mike is down 5,000 casino dollars on his bet on Rachel to win, which would have netted him 125,000 casino dollars if she'd got there. His remaining bet is on Alexandra, 20,000 casino dollars to win 90,000 casino dollars - good luck on that last one Mike, it'll recoup your two losses if she makes it.

That leaves me 2,000 casino dollars up on the week once the transfers are all made.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:28 am

spot;1067016 wrote: Not at all, Chez, it's a net gain for me this week.

Kaz wins 4,000 casino dollars on her 2,000 bet on Rachel's elimination, less her 1,000 on Rachel to win, and I pay her 3,000 casino dollars. Congratulations Kaza, it's in the post!

Mike is down 5,000 casino dollars on his bet on Rachel to win, which would have netted him 125,000 casino dollars if she'd got there. His remaining bet is on Alexandra, 20,000 casino dollars to win 90,000 casino dollars - good luck on that last one Mike, it'll recoup your two losses if she makes it.

That leaves me 2,000 casino dollars up on the week once the transfers are all made.

ooops:o thought you had shortchanged me:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:30 am

spot;1067016 wrote: Not at all, Chez, it's a net gain for me this week.

Kaz wins 4,000 casino dollars on her 2,000 bet on Rachel's elimination, less her 1,000 on Rachel to win, and I pay her 3,000 casino dollars. Congratulations Kaza, it's in the post!

Mike is down 5,000 casino dollars on his bet on Rachel to win, which would have netted him 125,000 casino dollars if she'd got there. His remaining bet is on Alexandra, 20,000 casino dollars to win 90,000 casino dollars - good luck on that last one Mike, it'll recoup your two losses if she makes it.

That leaves me 2,000 casino dollars up on the week once the transfers are all made.

oh good. dont feel sorry for you now:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Post by **spot** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:31 am

kazalala;1067015 wrote: yep,,, think he has ran out of dosh too:sneaky::-2:-3

What on earth makes you think that, I just paid you didn't I!

I'll have cash-flow problems if Mike doesn't divvy up soon though, he's 24,900 casino dollars adrift on my ledger at the moment.

That lack of understanding of I'm A Celebrity is the only reason I'm messed up, it cost me over 50,000 casino dollars and I started this business with 3,000 in hand. I'm not bankrupt but the cashflow will get tricky. I might have to stop running credit lines.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:32 am

spot;1067021 wrote: What on earth makes you think that, I just paid you didn't I!

I'll have cash-flow problems if Mike doesn't divvy up soon though, he's 24,900 casino dollars adrift on my ledger at the moment.

That lack of understanding of I'm A Celebrity is the only reason I'm messed up, it cost me over 50,000 casino dollars and I started this business with 3,000 in hand. I'm not bankrupt but the cashflow will get tricky. I might have to stop running credit lines.

TS will bung you a few quid im sure:D

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:34 am

spot;1067021 wrote: What on earth makes you think that, I just paid you didn't I!

I'll have cash-flow problems if Mike doesn't divvy up soon though, he's 24,900 casino dollars adrift on my ledger at the moment.

That lack of understanding of I'm A Celebrity is the only reason I'm messed up, it cost me over 50,000 casino dollars and I started this business with 3,000 in hand. I'm not bankrupt but the cashflow will get tricky. I might have to stop running credit lines.

yes spot you did thanks:D i had just conveniently forgoteen that i had $1000 staked on rachel winning

yh_rotfl you need to get the bailliffs out on mike i think:sneaky:

Post by **spot** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:37 am

Chezzie;1067023 wrote: TS will bung you a few quid im sure:D

Only if I asked him to and I have no intention of doing that.

If we reach a point where more FG businesses are started then I might ask TS for a float sufficient to start an FG bank paying Base Rate interest and charging Base Rate +2%, using the Bank of England published figure. That might put some of the back-room fly-boys out of countenance. I'm not going to tap him for finance on this purely private venture though. A bookmaker's a bookmaker. These things are only fun if it's run properly.

Post by **spot** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:40 am

kazalala;1067024 wrote: you need to get the bailliffs out on mike i think:sneaky:FG has no such mechanism. I'd be interested to hear ideas on debt collection though. The casino dollars are there and it's fun to build games around them but nobody's needed a collection agency before.

Would anyone like to buy the debt at 20% discount?

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:40 am

spot;1067026 wrote: Only if I asked him to and I have no intention of doing that.

If we reach a point where more FG businesses are started then I might ask TS for a float sufficient to start an FG bank paying Base Rate interest and charging Base Rate +2%, using the Bank of England published figure. That might put some of the back-room fly-boys out of countenance. I'm not going to tap him for finance on this purely private venture though. A bookmaker's a bookmaker. These things are only fun if it's run properly.

:-3..ooooooooookkkkaaaaaaay

Let me know if you need a loan:D

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:20 am

spot;1067027 wrote: FG has no such mechanism. I'd be interested to hear ideas on debt collection though. The casino dollars are there and it's fun to build games around them but nobody's needed a collection agency before.

Would anyone like to buy the debt at 20% discount?

well.. i think you have been very prompt to pay out if we win,, and generous in not asking for our stakes up front

i dont see why a gentle reminder via pm would hurt,,, if he is anything like me he probably just forgot,, i aint seen him around lately either,, :-3

Post by **spot** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:57 am

kazalala;1067047 wrote: well.. i think you have been very prompt to pay out if we win,, and generous in not asking for our stakes up front

i dont see why a gentle reminder via pm would hurt,,, if he is anything like me he probably just forgot,, i aint seen him around lately either,, :-3

I think selling the debt to a non-moderator would be my best answer. The one thing I can't do, as a moderator, is chase down a debt generated as a games player. The two activities don't fit well together. How about if I discount it to you at 30%?

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:31 am

spot;1067149 wrote: I think selling the debt to a non-moderator would be my best answer. The one thing I can't do, as a moderator, is chase down a debt generated as a games player. The two activities don't fit well together. How about if I discount it to you at 30%?

what exactly does that entail?

Post by **spot** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:57 am

kazalala;1067170 wrote: what exactly does that entail?

I sell you the debt for 17,430 casino dollars and provide you with a transfer message, copied to Mike, authorizing him to pay you the 24,900 casino dollars he owes. You make a profit of 7,470 casino dollars when he pays you. You might need to chase to get paid, which is the bit I don't think a moderator can do.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:59 am

spot;1067191 wrote: I sell you the debt for 17,430 casino dollars and provide you with a transfer message, copied to Mike, authorizing him to pay you the 24,900 casino dollars he owes. You make a profit of 7,470 casino dollars when he pays you. You might need to chase to get paid, which is the bit I don't think a moderator can do.

hmmm... but if he dont pay me or vanishes off the face of FG how will i pay my other debts to you:-3

Post by **spot** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:01 am

It's a sort of gamble, isn't it. That's why there's a tempting dangly potential profit of 7,470 casino dollars hanging there, to see if you're risk-averse or always up for it.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:04 am

spot;1067199 wrote: It's a sort of gamble, isn't it. That's why there's a tempting dangly potential profit of 7,470 casino dollars hanging there, to see if you're risk-averse or always up for it.

yea but im not really bothered about having money,,, thats the problem:sneaky::D