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Decapitating Iran

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Fresh from Decapitating Venezuela, Donny triggered a new war against Iran overnight.

Will it be brief? No, it will escalate first. It will escalate because Iran responded.
US-Israel attack on Iran: Tehran launches retaliatory strikes as Trump says ‘major combat operation’ under way – live

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... ve-updates

Of course they did. Presumably everyone knew that before it was triggered.

Who is meant to benefit? We could try answering that now, and then we can look back later and see how close the outcome came to the intention.
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Re: Decapitating Iran

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History has taught us that Iran do not roll over and capitulate as Trump reportedly expected them to do.

It also teaches us that attacking a dictator is the best way to keep the regime in power.

It appears that, as well as attacking nuclear and military targets, Trump is also attempting to assassinate the Ayatollah - last time America bombed a presidential Palace all they managed was to kill Khaddafi's children.

All in all, madness.
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Only two vessels not linked to Iran or Russia have made the “chicken run” through the strait of Hormuz since Donald Trump said he would “ensure the free flow of energy to the world”, according to maritime records.

One of those that braved the journey since the US president’s announcement of emergency measures on Friday went “dark” by switching off its transponder and a second signalled it was Chinese owned and crewed.

The Hormuz sea passage, one of the world’s most strategically important choke points, would normally have about 100 vessels a day either exiting or entering the Gulf. In response to the US and Israeli attacks, Iran has effectively shut the strait, attacking at least 10 ships which were seeking to traverse it in the early days of the crisis.

On Friday, Trump announced a $20bn (£14.85bn) reinsurance scheme to revive shipping through the strait, which he said would come into effect immediately. He followed up by saying that shipowners should “show some guts” by sailing through the war zone.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/ ... ait-hormuz

Four days and two ships, one of which was China-registered and not a target, the other shepherded through by the US navy? As opposed to the usual 400 tankers?

Perhaps the other tankers haven't taken a shot at crossing - clever wording there - not because the hulls and cargo aren't insured by this emergency measure, but because the crew would prefer to stay alive. Not a consideration, Donny? Crew refuse to deliberately risk their lives in a war zone you created, and all of a sudden it's their fault?

As for regime change in Iran, I suspect even those Iranians within Iran who would actually like to have a secular constitution are fully aware they'd have no backing from Israel or US were they to succeed. A resurrected Iran with a secular constitution is, from the perspective of Israel and US, a worse option than the continued rule of the Guardian Council. It's almost distressing that neither Israel or US have declared any desired testable endpoint for their current actions. What do we want? A patriotic response at home. When do we want it? On and off for the remaining terms of office, presumably.
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So, today's Saturday. The Presidents of Iran and US signed their deal on Wednesday with the following clauses:
1. "The immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon"

2. US and Iran to "respect each other’s sovereignty and territorial integrity and to refrain from interfering in each other’s internal affairs"

3. They "commit to negotiating and achieving the final deal in maximum 60 days, extendable with mutual consent"

4. Immediately, the US "will begin the removal of its naval blockade... and will fully end the naval blockade within 30 days"

5. In the Strait of Hormuz, Iran "will make arrangements using its best efforts for the safe passage of commercial vessels with no charge, for 60 days"

6. The US undertakes "with regional partners to develop a definitive, mutually agreed plan with at least USD $300 billion for the reconstruction and economic development of" Iran

7. US to "terminate all types of sanctions against" Iran

8. Iran "reaffirms that it shall not procure or develop nuclear weapons", but other parts of the programme are still to be negotiated. The two parties "agreed to discuss the issue of enrichment and other mutually agreed matters related to the Islamic Republic of Iran’s nuclear needs"

9. Pending the final deal, the US and Iran "agree to maintain the status quo"

10. Upon signing, and until the termination of sanctions, US Treasury will "issue waivers for the export of Iranian crude oil, petroleum products, and derivatives, and all associated services"

11. US undertakes "to make fully available for use the frozen or restricted funds and assets" of Iran

12. "An executive mechanism will be established to monitor the successful implementation" of this memorandum

13. After signing - subject to implementation of points 1, 4, 5, 10 and 11 - the US and Iran "will start negotiations regarding the final deal exclusively on the other paragraphs"

14. "The final deal will be endorsed by a binding UNSC (United Nations Security Council) resolution"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c9wq95g0lx2t

Yesterday:
A US official said yesterday that Israel and Hezbollah had agreed a ceasefire, following concerns that continued clashes would undermine the deal to end the war between the US and Iran.

The Israeli military confirmed that a ceasefire was in effect, but later a spokesman said its forces would "continue to remove immediate threats".

A Hezbollah official told the BBC it does not recognise the ceasefire that was announced by US officials on Friday afternoon, and it rejects the Israeli objective to operate freely inside Lebanon.

Earlier today, local officials said 16 people have been killed in the Nabatieh district and seven in neighbouring Saida, in Lebanon.

The Israeli military said it had struck "dozens" of Hezbollah targets after the group fired more than 50 projectiles at Israeli forces in the region.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and Hezbollah have both accused each other today of repeated ceasefire violations.

And today:
Iran has said it is closing the strait of Hormuz after waves of Israeli strikes in Lebanon in a move that threatens to derail the fragile interim peace deal with the US, signed just days ago.

The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps warned ships not to approach the strategic waterway, which before the war carried a fifth of global oil and liquid gas supplies, citing what it called Israeli crimes in Lebanon and a US violation of ⁠commitments to establish a ceasefire there.

It was unclear if the threat had been carried out, or if it would jeopardise talks in Switzerland scheduled for Sunday that were supposed to start the process of turning the current interim agreement between the US and Iran signed this week into a more detailed deal covering Iran’s nuclear programme.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/ ... -ceasefire

which will presumably stop any ship moving with agreed insurance.
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Washington's caped crusader was on the Fone to Fox yesterday, and the web.
High-stakes talks between the US and Iran are expected to continue for the rest of the week in Switzerland, after a tense start that saw Iranian negotiators walk out in protest at a stream of threats issued by Donald Trump on social media.

The US president had threatened to bomb Iran and even to kidnap the Iranian negotiating team unless the strait of Hormuz was reopened, forcing mediators Qatar and Pakistan to continue negotiations in the background.

[...] In a 20-minute phone call with Fox News, which revealed his sensitivity to the criticism being directed at him by Republicans and Democrats alike, he said: “We may take over the strait, if we have to. If they don’t make a deal, we’ll collect tolls.”

Referring to the strait, he appeared to threaten to kidnap the Iranian negotiators, saying: “You close it and you won’t have a country. You won’t even make it back to your fucking country.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/ ... uz-lebanon
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articl ... aming-more

Stick with it, Donny. If it feels good then it does you good. Just turn off the router and phone first.

You remember signing the Memorandum? The bit about "The immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon"? Nobody was hitting you with rubber truncheons at the time? And now you're threatening to charge tolls on tankers transiting the Straits, to compensate America for killing foreigners? I suspect that's called bad optics what with the 250th Anniversary being a week Saturday. Don't you have a parade planned?

Sometimes I think Americans simply don't comprehend the word "kill". We could have a new thread on what the word means.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
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