I have relatives in Oxnard I havent seen for a few years, and since I'm re-visiting them soon, I'd like to hear some opinions from you Golden Staters.
I'm curious about all the stories I've been hearing. How epidemic has the illegal immigration problem become? I've heard that the new LA mayor is pro-Mexican immigration, etc. Are English-speaking citizens becoming or have they become the minority? (especially in Southern Cal.) Thanks for any input.....
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i will email your post to Carla and Lovemama...my brother lived in oxnard for 15 years until i convinced him to come back to the east coast because our parents were not well. he liked it and always tried to get me out there with the "you can SCUBA in the morning and ski in the afternoon theory!"
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Oxnard and Ventura are divided by a street. Oxnard is still considered the poorer side of the double city. They are both by the Pacific and have Ocean front property. It's lovely and very expensive to live there.
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Any property along the coast of California is expensive and beautiful. 
As far as the illegal immigration problem here in California. It's has, and always will be a problem. Our borders are to lax, our immigration laws not tough enough. I wouldn't say we are becoming a minority, but the numbers of Hispanics is growing ever larger daily. Our social services are burden to the point of total collapse if something isn't done. Mind you I have nothing against anyone who comes here legally bless them and WELCOME. Also it's not only Hispanics that are coming across the border to California all ethnic groups are flooding California.
Frankly I don't know why the would want to live here, to cost of living is over the top. The only reason they are here is because of the borders.
But Oxnard, and Venture along the coast are beautiful.. Inland not so much, but still nice.
As far as the illegal immigration problem here in California. It's has, and always will be a problem. Our borders are to lax, our immigration laws not tough enough. I wouldn't say we are becoming a minority, but the numbers of Hispanics is growing ever larger daily. Our social services are burden to the point of total collapse if something isn't done. Mind you I have nothing against anyone who comes here legally bless them and WELCOME. Also it's not only Hispanics that are coming across the border to California all ethnic groups are flooding California.
Frankly I don't know why the would want to live here, to cost of living is over the top. The only reason they are here is because of the borders.
But Oxnard, and Venture along the coast are beautiful.. Inland not so much, but still nice.
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MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
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CARLA wrote: Any property along the coast of California is expensive and beautiful.
As far as the illegal immigration problem here in California. It's has, and always will be a problem. Our borders are to lax, our immigration laws not tough enough. I wouldn't say we are becoming a minority, but the numbers of Hispanics is growing ever larger daily. Our social services are burden to the point of total collapse if something isn't done. Mind you I have nothing against anyone who comes here legally bless them and WELCOME. Also it's not only Hispanics that are coming across the border to California all ethnic groups are flooding California.
Frankly I don't know why the would want to live here, to cost of living is over the top. The only reason they are here is because of the borders.
But Oxnard, and Venture along the coast are beautiful.. Inland not so much, but still nice.
Been there so many times Carla - agree with you
As far as the illegal immigration problem here in California. It's has, and always will be a problem. Our borders are to lax, our immigration laws not tough enough. I wouldn't say we are becoming a minority, but the numbers of Hispanics is growing ever larger daily. Our social services are burden to the point of total collapse if something isn't done. Mind you I have nothing against anyone who comes here legally bless them and WELCOME. Also it's not only Hispanics that are coming across the border to California all ethnic groups are flooding California.
Frankly I don't know why the would want to live here, to cost of living is over the top. The only reason they are here is because of the borders.
But Oxnard, and Venture along the coast are beautiful.. Inland not so much, but still nice.
Been there so many times Carla - agree with you
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turbonium wrote: I have relatives in Oxnard I havent seen for a few years, and since I'm re-visiting them soon, I'd like to hear some opinions from you Golden Staters.
I'm curious about all the stories I've been hearing. How epidemic has the illegal immigration problem become? I've heard that the new LA mayor is pro-Mexican immigration, etc. Are English-speaking citizens becoming or have they become the minority? (especially in Southern Cal.) Thanks for any input.....
Effective the first of January 2005, caucasians became a minority in California.
California has a huge Asian American population as well as Hispanic. No big deal. When I was in high school (years ago) our graduating class of 325 was at least 1/3 Asian/Hispanic/Black. Since the Vietnam war ended, many Laotian, Hmong, Cambodians and Vietnamese have found homes in California. Sacramento, California has a large Russian population with their own stores, Russian newspaperm etc. Hopefully, all these ethnic groups will assimilate and make a contribution as the second generation of Chinese/Japanese and Hispanics have already done.
I'm curious about all the stories I've been hearing. How epidemic has the illegal immigration problem become? I've heard that the new LA mayor is pro-Mexican immigration, etc. Are English-speaking citizens becoming or have they become the minority? (especially in Southern Cal.) Thanks for any input.....
Effective the first of January 2005, caucasians became a minority in California.
California has a huge Asian American population as well as Hispanic. No big deal. When I was in high school (years ago) our graduating class of 325 was at least 1/3 Asian/Hispanic/Black. Since the Vietnam war ended, many Laotian, Hmong, Cambodians and Vietnamese have found homes in California. Sacramento, California has a large Russian population with their own stores, Russian newspaperm etc. Hopefully, all these ethnic groups will assimilate and make a contribution as the second generation of Chinese/Japanese and Hispanics have already done.
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Lon wrote: Effective the first of January 2005, caucasians became a minority in California.
California has a huge Asian American population as well as Hispanic. No big deal. When I was in high school (years ago) our graduating class of 325 was at least 1/3 Asian/Hispanic/Black. Since the Vietnam war ended, many Laotian, Hmong, Cambodians and Vietnamese have found homes in California. Sacramento, California has a large Russian population with their own stores, Russian newspaperm etc. Hopefully, all these ethnic groups will assimilate and make a contribution as the second generation of Chinese/Japanese and Hispanics have already done.
Lon (or any Californians on FG), ARE the newest immigrants (I guess maybe illegal ones) assimilating? I've heard reports of (don't call me crazy, I'm only asking if it's true) certain groups of newer hispanic immigrants trying to create a "New"? Mexico. Something about re-taking their stolen lands or something, not speaking English, etc. Is this just hype I've read or is there any truth to it?
California has a huge Asian American population as well as Hispanic. No big deal. When I was in high school (years ago) our graduating class of 325 was at least 1/3 Asian/Hispanic/Black. Since the Vietnam war ended, many Laotian, Hmong, Cambodians and Vietnamese have found homes in California. Sacramento, California has a large Russian population with their own stores, Russian newspaperm etc. Hopefully, all these ethnic groups will assimilate and make a contribution as the second generation of Chinese/Japanese and Hispanics have already done.
Lon (or any Californians on FG), ARE the newest immigrants (I guess maybe illegal ones) assimilating? I've heard reports of (don't call me crazy, I'm only asking if it's true) certain groups of newer hispanic immigrants trying to create a "New"? Mexico. Something about re-taking their stolen lands or something, not speaking English, etc. Is this just hype I've read or is there any truth to it?
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turbonium wrote: Lon (or any Californians on FG), ARE the newest immigrants (I guess maybe illegal ones) assimilating? I've heard reports of (don't call me crazy, I'm only asking if it's true) certain groups of newer hispanic immigrants trying to create a "New"? Mexico. Something about re-taking their stolen lands or something, not speaking English, etc. Is this just hype I've read or is there any truth to it?
There are many Hispanics that like to cite the "Treaty of Hildago" as justification of claims to California (Google Search it If Interested). That's been an issue with some Hispanics for many years and has nothing to do with recent illegals. Many of the illegals will assimilate, some will go to jail, some will die, some will be a drain on the welfare system, some will work hard and pay taxes, some will go onto earn university degrees and some will become famous. One thing for sure, the second and third generation will improve the gene pool.
There are many Hispanics that like to cite the "Treaty of Hildago" as justification of claims to California (Google Search it If Interested). That's been an issue with some Hispanics for many years and has nothing to do with recent illegals. Many of the illegals will assimilate, some will go to jail, some will die, some will be a drain on the welfare system, some will work hard and pay taxes, some will go onto earn university degrees and some will become famous. One thing for sure, the second and third generation will improve the gene pool.
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Lon wrote: There are many Hispanics that like to cite the "Treaty of Hildago" as justification of claims to California (Google Search it If Interested). That's been an issue with some Hispanics for many years and has nothing to do with recent illegals. Many of the illegals will assimilate, some will go to jail, some will die, some will be a drain on the welfare system, some will work hard and pay taxes, some will go onto earn university degrees and some will become famous. One thing for sure, the second and third generation will improve the gene pool.
turbonium, Lon is correct on everything. Hispanics are definitely the majority in Los Angeles already. It's GOOD that the new mayor is Hispanic too.
I've love Mexican people. For the most part they are very family oriented, they're hard workers and the majority of them that work here show up every single day and put in a longer day than most and get paid less!
I live right next to the Tijuana border, 30 minutes away...and have spent years and years traveling into Mexico. Right now in Tijuana they are having a lot of political assasinations....so not too cool to just run around down there anymore.
The press usually doesn't do a story on the bright side.....of the Mexican story so you'll never be able to read anything nice about Mexican's cause it doesn't sells newspaper's and wouldn't make prime time anything.
Most of us here in Southern CA speak Spanish. Most of us have attended schools with Hispanics. I seriously don't even think about them being another nationality and BOY do they cook good food!
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turbonium, Lon is correct on everything. Hispanics are definitely the majority in Los Angeles already. It's GOOD that the new mayor is Hispanic too.
I've love Mexican people. For the most part they are very family oriented, they're hard workers and the majority of them that work here show up every single day and put in a longer day than most and get paid less!
I live right next to the Tijuana border, 30 minutes away...and have spent years and years traveling into Mexico. Right now in Tijuana they are having a lot of political assasinations....so not too cool to just run around down there anymore.
The press usually doesn't do a story on the bright side.....of the Mexican story so you'll never be able to read anything nice about Mexican's cause it doesn't sells newspaper's and wouldn't make prime time anything.
Most of us here in Southern CA speak Spanish. Most of us have attended schools with Hispanics. I seriously don't even think about them being another nationality and BOY do they cook good food!
xxxxxxoooooooooo
mama
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LoveMama wrote: Most of us here in Southern CA speak Spanish. Most of us have attended schools with Hispanics. I seriously don't even think about them being another nationality and BOY do they cook good food!Mexican food is one of the great pleasures of the border states. I live in a rural area where Hispanics are in the majority. Very nice people. Assimilate? Not completely- because they have a very rich culture, and if anything, we whites enjoy their cultural influence in art, food, music and dance. As California becomes culturally more Mexican, most of us will enjoy it and assimilate ourselves. Estoy apriendo espanol y puede hablar mas o menos.
Politically, California will probably never be as retrograde as Mexico. Most immigrants, when they begin to think to themselves, "Caramba! Now we can take over!" their next thought is, "Ay Chihuahua! Do we want to make California like Mexico?" They wouldn't want to go back to that.
Politically, California will probably never be as retrograde as Mexico. Most immigrants, when they begin to think to themselves, "Caramba! Now we can take over!" their next thought is, "Ay Chihuahua! Do we want to make California like Mexico?" They wouldn't want to go back to that.
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telaquapacky wrote: Mexican food is one of the great pleasures of the border states. I live in a rural area where Hispanics are in the majority. Very nice people. Assimilate? Not completely- because they have a very rich culture, and if anything, we whites enjoy their cultural influence in art, food, music and dance. As California becomes culturally more Mexican, most of us will enjoy it and assimilate ourselves. Estoy apriendo espanol y puede hablar mas o menos.
Politically, California will probably never be as retrograde as Mexico. Most immigrants, when they begin to think to themselves, "Caramba! Now we can take over!" their next thought is, "Ay Chihuahua! Do we want to make California like Mexico?" They wouldn't want to go back to that.
Telaquapacky.....love your name! Bet you go to Mexico...often...or at least have been there many times.
Listen up.......About 25 years ago or a little more, it became very fashionable for Mexican's to call themselves...politically, Latinos or Hispanics because, just being a Mexican didn't sound good enough. Seemed that the 'word' Mexican was not getting a good press and Latino or Hispanic had a better ring to it.
How silly I thought. I thought to myself, if you live American and are a citizen or waiting to be, why not just call yourself an American. Well......a lot of them do but as Telaquapacky said, they do have a deep cultural heritage and they are proud of it. Me, I'm French, German, Irish and English. A WASP!
I WISH I had a little Mexican or Indian in me. I like a combination dishes!
I happen to be a cook......I adore Mexican Food. Should we start calling it Latino food, Hispanic food.....??????? Makes me laugh!
With all the money that Mexico owes the United States (I think we've rolled that dept over a hunded times---------(THEY HAVE LOTS OF OIL DOWN THERE)
Should the US say that Hispanic's has lots of oil......or say the Latino's have lots of oil.....Should we say illegal Latino, illegal Latino...hehehehehehhehehe
Needless to say they're here to stay, they're just like all of us if they're an American and they have every right to be here if they're citizens. All American's are different and it's about time we just consider them Americans. :driving:
xxxxxooooo
mama
Politically, California will probably never be as retrograde as Mexico. Most immigrants, when they begin to think to themselves, "Caramba! Now we can take over!" their next thought is, "Ay Chihuahua! Do we want to make California like Mexico?" They wouldn't want to go back to that.
Telaquapacky.....love your name! Bet you go to Mexico...often...or at least have been there many times.
Listen up.......About 25 years ago or a little more, it became very fashionable for Mexican's to call themselves...politically, Latinos or Hispanics because, just being a Mexican didn't sound good enough. Seemed that the 'word' Mexican was not getting a good press and Latino or Hispanic had a better ring to it.
How silly I thought. I thought to myself, if you live American and are a citizen or waiting to be, why not just call yourself an American. Well......a lot of them do but as Telaquapacky said, they do have a deep cultural heritage and they are proud of it. Me, I'm French, German, Irish and English. A WASP!
I WISH I had a little Mexican or Indian in me. I like a combination dishes!
I happen to be a cook......I adore Mexican Food. Should we start calling it Latino food, Hispanic food.....??????? Makes me laugh!
With all the money that Mexico owes the United States (I think we've rolled that dept over a hunded times---------(THEY HAVE LOTS OF OIL DOWN THERE)
Should the US say that Hispanic's has lots of oil......or say the Latino's have lots of oil.....Should we say illegal Latino, illegal Latino...hehehehehehhehehe
Needless to say they're here to stay, they're just like all of us if they're an American and they have every right to be here if they're citizens. All American's are different and it's about time we just consider them Americans. :driving:
xxxxxooooo
mama
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Thanks for all the info, everyone. I prefer the opinions of you guys living there than the media stories which, as mentioned, can have a slant on the real story. Is the Treaty of Hidalgo a potential conflict down the road? Or will it blow over as mentioned, that on second thought, "we don't want another Mexico"? I appreciate all of your insights.......
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LoveMama wrote: Telaquapacky.....love your name! Bet you go to Mexico...often...or at least have been there many times.
Listen up.......About 25 years ago or a little more, it became very fashionable for Mexican's to call themselves...politically, Latinos or Hispanics because, just being a Mexican didn't sound good enough. Seemed that the 'word' Mexican was not getting a good press and Latino or Hispanic had a better ring to it. Thanks for the nice words, LM! Actually, I've never been to Mexico.
Yes, the big majority of Hispanics in the border states are Mexicans, but plenty are from other countries in Latin America and would feel slighted by being lumped together with Mexicans. My wife, for example, was born in Peru, and came to the US when she was about 9 years old (Her mother, who lives with us, is an American citizen now, but speaks no English). She gravitates to other Peruvians, and I probably know as many Peruvians as I do Mexicans. Back east, more of the Hispanics are Puerto Ricans, our fellow American citizens from what some of us call the "51st State." (Indeed, the PR would be statehood issue comes up periodically- they probably could become a state if they wanted to). El Mundo Hispanoamerica es muy grande!
Listen up.......About 25 years ago or a little more, it became very fashionable for Mexican's to call themselves...politically, Latinos or Hispanics because, just being a Mexican didn't sound good enough. Seemed that the 'word' Mexican was not getting a good press and Latino or Hispanic had a better ring to it. Thanks for the nice words, LM! Actually, I've never been to Mexico.
Yes, the big majority of Hispanics in the border states are Mexicans, but plenty are from other countries in Latin America and would feel slighted by being lumped together with Mexicans. My wife, for example, was born in Peru, and came to the US when she was about 9 years old (Her mother, who lives with us, is an American citizen now, but speaks no English). She gravitates to other Peruvians, and I probably know as many Peruvians as I do Mexicans. Back east, more of the Hispanics are Puerto Ricans, our fellow American citizens from what some of us call the "51st State." (Indeed, the PR would be statehood issue comes up periodically- they probably could become a state if they wanted to). El Mundo Hispanoamerica es muy grande!
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Lon wrote: One thing for sure, the second and third generation will improve the gene pool.
That's a negative, there Lon. Recent research reveals that even third and fourth generation Hispanics are making no effort to assimilate. They don't speak the language and they don't vote.
What that means is that an increasingly small minority of registered legal citizens are making all the decisions concerning the future of those illegals. That's a recipe for disaster.
Let's say I want to push a bill to make it illegal to give illegal immigrants access to public services such as hospitals. since they don't vote, i can easily get it passed, causing hard feelings in the majority "minority".
That's a negative, there Lon. Recent research reveals that even third and fourth generation Hispanics are making no effort to assimilate. They don't speak the language and they don't vote.
What that means is that an increasingly small minority of registered legal citizens are making all the decisions concerning the future of those illegals. That's a recipe for disaster.
Let's say I want to push a bill to make it illegal to give illegal immigrants access to public services such as hospitals. since they don't vote, i can easily get it passed, causing hard feelings in the majority "minority".
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Jives wrote: That's a negative, there Lon. Recent research reveals that even third and fourth generation Hispanics are making no effort to assimilate. They don't speak the language and they don't vote.
What that means is that an increasingly small minority of registered legal citizens are making all the decisions concerning the future of those illegals. That's a recipe for disaster.
Let's say I want to push a bill to make it illegal to give illegal immigrants access to public services such as hospitals. since they don't vote, i can easily get it passed, causing hard feelings in the majority "minority".
So it is becoming a problem? Now I'm a bit confused on the issue. The new generations of legal hispanics are not speaking any english, and are encouraging illegal immigration?
What that means is that an increasingly small minority of registered legal citizens are making all the decisions concerning the future of those illegals. That's a recipe for disaster.
Let's say I want to push a bill to make it illegal to give illegal immigrants access to public services such as hospitals. since they don't vote, i can easily get it passed, causing hard feelings in the majority "minority".
So it is becoming a problem? Now I'm a bit confused on the issue. The new generations of legal hispanics are not speaking any english, and are encouraging illegal immigration?
