County Clerk Jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:01 pm

She has refused to issue licenses to same-sex couples and has now been jailed for contempt of court over the issue.

Personally, I figure that if you cannot, in good conscience, do the job you are being paid to do, for whatever reason, you should give it up and go find something that fits your sensibilities.

Kentucky clerk jailed for denying same-sex marriage licenses | Reuters

The religious right will now take this and make her a martyr. She will be a spokesperson for christians being persecuted.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:04 pm

Can she be fired? If so, why isn't she?

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:15 pm

LarsMac;1485619 wrote: She has refused to issue licenses to same-sex couples and has now been jailed for contempt of court over the issue.

Personally, I figure that if you cannot, in good conscience, do the job you are being paid to do, for whatever reason, you should give it up and go find something that fits your sensibilities.

Kentucky clerk jailed for denying same-sex marriage licenses | Reuters

The religious right will now take this and make her a martyr. She will be a spokesperson for christians being persecuted.

Whoever the "religious right" is, no doubt.

The progressive way to look at it is as "civil disobedience". Sound more acceptable?

Anyway, if that is part of your job, maybe think of looking for another.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:29 pm

I have a grudging admiration for her, at the same time think she is barmy.

The fact that the rules have changed since she took the job is her only defence.

According to that article she has refused to issue any licences to any couples, gay or straight, since the Supreme Court ruling, so is not doing her job, sack her.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:42 pm

tude dog;1485627 wrote: Whoever the "religious right" is, no doubt.

The progressive way to look at it is as "civil disobedience". Sound more acceptable?

Anyway, if that is part of your job, maybe think of looking for another.

A lack woman refusing to give up her seat to a white man is civil disobedience a christian refusing to issue a marriage licence to a mixed race couple or a same sex one is not civil disobedience it's bigotry. They have a god given right to be gay what arrogance to assume the right to speak for god. Well if I was religious I might say something like that.

Mark Aspam · Post by **Mark Aspam** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:48 pm

AnneBoleyn;1485624 wrote: Can she be fired? If so, why isn't she?She can't be fired because she is an elected official.

She can, of course, like any elected official, stand down at will, which is what she should have done.

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:06 pm

Kentucky clerk won't accept gay marriage deal, goes to jail

Post by **spot** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:10 pm

The reason she should have resigned on a matter of conscience is that she could no longer do the job she was being paid to do. Either she follows her conscience or she does her job. What she can't do is continue in office while refusing the obligation it entails.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:12 pm

She doesn't want to resign an $80K a year job. She thinks she is right, so why should she quit? Fire her.

Post by **spot** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:14 pm

AnneBoleyn;1485644 wrote: She doesn't want to resign an $80K a year job. She thinks she is right, so why should she quit? Fire her.

If she's elected to the office then jailing her for not resigning or performing it is entirely proper. If she wants a fight, she'll lose. But then she'll make her million on the lecture circuit afterwards. And some evangelical outfit with more money than sense will make a totally inartistic biopic and that'll be another million.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:16 pm

spot;1485647 wrote: If she's elected to the office then jailing her for not resigning or performing it is entirely proper. If she wants a fight, she'll lose. But then she'll make her million on the lecture circuit afterwards. And some evangelical outfit with more money than sense will make a totally inartistic biopic and that'll be another million.

Some of the most awful, disgusting Americans are millionaires. Maybe she will get a reality show.

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:15 pm

AnneBoleyn;1485624 wrote: Can she be fired? If so, why isn't she?

County Clerk is an elected position in many states.

So the only way she can get fired is for the county residents to have a recall vote, or for the County commission to decide to remove her.

She also claims that none of her subordinates have been given the authority to issue licenses, either. This could get really ugly.

Post by **spot** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:38 pm

LarsMac;1485665 wrote: This could get really ugly.

I have a copy of “Does God Love Michael’s Two Daddies", where should I send it?

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:29 pm

spot;1485670 wrote: I have a copy of “Does God Love Michael’s Two Daddies", where should I send it?

The funny thing is that she has been divorced 3 times, so she picks and chooses which Bible verses suit her and which she uses to discriminate against others.

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 6:59 am

Wandrin;1485674 wrote: The funny thing is that she has been divorced 3 times, so she picks and chooses which Bible verses suit her and which she uses to discriminate against others.

Do as I say, not as I do! That's hilarious. Let her rot in jail. Of course that makes her a martyr for others. Ted Cruz is already saying, "This proves that is is now a crime to be a Christian in America."

Post by **spot** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:13 pm

Most Christian fundamentalists would absolutely deny that Jesus might have had sexual relations with women. And they'd be hard put to claim he never kissed any of his male friends or wore a mustache and sandals. So why they think he'd disapprove of two chaps setting up home together I can't imagine. The world missed a great movie when they didn't get Burt Reynolds to play Christ, that's what I reckon.

Omni_Skittles · Post by **Omni_Skittles** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:54 pm

Saint_;1485696 wrote: Do as I say, not as I do! That's hilarious. Let her rot in jail. Of course that makes her a martyr for others. Ted Cruz is already saying, "This proves that is is now a crime to be a Christian in America."i agree let her rot!!! When I was heavily involved in the church and had just left a drunken family it was hard for me to be a waitress and serve alcohol, so I just gave my two weeks and said I couldn't do my job. And at the time i too blindly believed whatever the church said and whatever interpretations I made the bible say. Rot away! It's your choice not to do your job and hence consequences for not following the laws of the land. #byefelicia

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:15 am

Imagine that.......

No, Kim Davis, You Can't Beg for Money on GoFundMe

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:21 pm

Was there a warrant for her arrest?

If there was a warrant for arrest, what are the charges?

i ask this because is there no middle ground?

How long will Davis stay in jail?

Staver said Davis has no plans to resign and would remain in jail until a compromise is reached. He said his client would be willing to issue licenses if her name and title were not on them.

Already crossed the line, forget about it.

Post by **spot** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:25 am

You don't recognize the concept of contempt of court?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:08 am

This is what comes when you let bureaucrats get elected into office. They can't get fired, no matter how badly they do their job for their term of office. They are Civil Servants, and if they were employed as such they would be sacked for Gross Misconduct & they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Whether she likes it or not, the right of Gay Marriage is a legal one, and it is not up to her to decide whether she wants to abide by that law or not. There are still those who disagree with the emancipation of slaves, but you can bet your bottom dollar that if someone decided to enslave a few local blacks because they don't agree with their rights there would be Hell to pay. Ok, a bit of an extreme example, but the principle is the same. You cannot cherry pick which laws you want to obey & claim religious exemption whenever you don't like one of those laws.

I believe in the UK that if an MP (or any other elected official) is convicted of a criminal offence during their term of office, then they lose that seat, or at least the seat comes up for re-election. Perhaps that could be an option in the US?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:35 am

spot;1485891 wrote: You don't recognize the concept of contempt of court?

He doesn't seem to recognize court decisions regarding social matters of law.

Post by **spot** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:45 pm

FourPart;1485894 wrote: Perhaps that could be an option in the US?
I recall a splendid chap who inadvertently fell from grace by continuing in Washington the country practices of his youth. Back home it was how business was done, in Washington it got you a jail sentence and poor Spiro T Agnew fell afoul of it. And - this being my point - lost his office in the process.

Gerald T Ford became Vice President in his stead and a few months later inherited the mantle of President, as the noblest American of them all flew off into the sunset.

No Bush was fit to lick the boots of any of them, and in the case of George H W that's just what he tried to do for years - I can think of few people who were so mocked for so long by so many as George H W was by his fellow Republicans, starting at the top with Nixon and Ford.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:41 pm

spot;1485891 wrote: You don't recognize the concept of contempt of court?

Yup, I sure do.

Not in this situation, from a safe distance I have on occasion expressed component of court.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:48 pm

AnneBoleyn;1485911 wrote: He doesn't seem to recognize court decisions regarding social matters of law.

Please stop it.

I was talking about the law.

Post by **spot** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:28 pm

tude dog;1485955 wrote: Please stop it.

I was talking about the law.

And the law enables a judge to imprison people for contempt of court! Which is what happened!

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:16 pm

The best way to shut up people who quote the Bible for their own ends...

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:21 pm

spot;1485968 wrote: And the law enables a judge to imprison people for contempt of court! Which is what happened!

It sure does.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:40 pm

Saint_;1485978 wrote: The best way to shut up people who quote the Bible for their own ends...

Yea, best to leave it alone and not argue with an idiot.

Shouldn't call him an idiot.

I'll just leave it at he is one who either does not understand the Bible or uses it for his own ends.

I suspect the later.

We are talking about a fictional character, are we not?

Messages from Hollywood.

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:50 pm

Saint_;1485978 wrote: The best way to shut up people who quote the Bible for their own ends...

Ooooh. I like that. Thanks, Saint.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:16 pm

tude dog;1485955 wrote: Please stop it.

I was talking about the law.

Which law?

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:17 pm

tude dog;1485982 wrote: Yea, best to leave it alone and not argue with an idiot.

Shouldn't call him an idiot.

I'll just leave it at he is one who either does not understand the Bible or uses it for his own ends.

I suspect the later.

We are talking about a fictional character, are we not?

Messages from Hollywood.

I wish Huckabee was a fictional character

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:47 am

Saint_;1485978 wrote: The best way to shut up people who quote the Bible for their own ends...

An excellent piece of script.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:17 pm

LarsMac;1485986 wrote: Which law?

Quote Originally Posted by AnneBoleyn View Post

He doesn't seem to recognize court decisions regarding social matters of law

Re: County Clerk Jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses

Originally Posted by AnneBoleyn

He doesn't seem to recognize court decisions regarding social matters of law.

Please stop it.

I was talking about the law.

That was from post # 25

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:43 am

Saint_;1485978 wrote: The best way to shut up people who quote the Bible for their own ends...

bible-quoting quack that you know doesn't?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 9:18 am

LarsMac;1485987 wrote: I wish Huckabee was a fictional characterSuckame is fictional; he abandoned his humanity long ago in favor of obedience to his elders by adopting their conceptualized god-based fear, bigotry and hatred.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:59 pm

Funny.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:07 pm

Ahso!;1486126 wrote: Funny.

What am I missing?

I see nothing amusing.

Funny, as in weird, maybe.

These people are crazy.

And mental illness is not amusing.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:17 pm

Surely you can spell?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:47 pm

I'm not even sure if Lars meant that seriously or not.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:50 pm

Ahso!;1486129 wrote: Surely you can spell?

Well yes, I can. But I don't,...

Ohhhh! I see, now.

Tsk, tsk. You got a naughty mind, son.