This is no Joke

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:08 am

No better way to celebrate the life of thug Michael Brown and the anniversary of his violent attack upon peace officer Darren Wilson.

"We cannot continue, we cannot talk about the good things that we have been talking about, if we are prevented from moving forward with this kind of violence," he said.

Belmar said those resorting to violence are not protesters.

CNN

Not all is lost. There are peaceniks who simply commandeer a microphone, because "Black Lives Matter".

Common thread is lack of civility, practiced by Michael Brown.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 9:58 am

A common thread of frustration and anger I would suggest.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:39 pm

Bruv;1484006 wrote: A common thread of frustration and anger I would suggest.

Maybe opportunism?

I know that was a cheap shot.

Is it any different of any other activist, be they hold government office or otherwise profit?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:20 pm

Now "activist" has become a naughty word to you?

Activist--"An activist is a person who campaigns for some kind of social change. Someone who's actively involved in a protest or a political or social cause can be called an activist." Vocabulary.com

You are an activist. The right-wing kind. Settle down sailor.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:52 pm

AnneBoleyn;1484009 wrote: Now "activist" has become a naughty word to you?

OY

AnneBoleyn;1484009 wrote: Activist--"An activist is a person who campaigns for some kind of social change. Someone who's actively involved in a protest or a political or social cause can be called an activist." Vocabulary.com

You are an activist. The right-wing kind. Settle down sailor.

I don't shoot at cops.

I don't travel halfway across the nation to thuggishly take over a planned event.

I don't apologize for pointing out the irrational actions of a violent thug, much less make him an symbol of a cause.

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 3:04 pm

No, he's not an activist.

He is just a curmudgeon.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 3:15 pm

LarsMac;1484011 wrote: No, he's not an activist.

He is just a curmudgeon.

Ad hominem

Funny how that happens when one does not want to address the subject.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 3:41 pm

tude dog;1484010 wrote: OY

I don't shoot at cops.

I don't travel halfway across the nation to thuggishly take over a planned event.

I don't apologize for pointing out the irrational actions of a violent thug, much less make him an symbol of a cause.

Hey curmudgeon.............................remember 1773........which side were you on ?

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 4:25 pm

Bruv;1484013 wrote: Hey curmudgeon.............................remember 1773........which side were you on ?

I don't know what you are talking about or how it has anything to do with the topic at hand.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 4:31 pm

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 9:59 pm

tude dog;1484012 wrote: Ad hominem

Funny how that happens when one does not want to address the subject.

I am not entirely sure what "the subject" is. I was just following the flow of the conversation.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:01 am

Bruv;1484013 wrote: Hey curmudgeon.............................remember 1773........which side were you on ?

tude dog;1484014 wrote: I don't know what you are talking about or how it has anything to do with the topic at hand.

It's your history, when you lot chucked us Brits out because you felt hard done by, you got some activists together and they behaved thuggishly throwing our tea into Boston harbour...................or something.

Probably brought on by a deep feelings of injustice, with no recourse other than wrecking a planned event (the movement of our tea)

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:24 am

You are an activist. You actively pursue & promote your point of view. Activism isn't a synonym for violent behavior.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:42 pm

Bruv;1484013 wrote: Hey curmudgeon.............................remember 1773........which side were you on ?

When I first read that my first thought it had something to do with our revolution against the Crown. I did Google it and came up with the Boston Tea Party.

"Thuggish" wouldn't be the first word to come to mind, but I can work with that. It certainly was a criminal act of conversion for the sake of making a point.

Would I have been a part of that?

It is unfair for me to say one way or another.

It is said that during that time a third of the population were for separation, a third loyal and the remaining were indifferent. Only answer I can give to that is it depends on what my situation was.

When thinking of such things it reminds me of George Washington.

“Washington fought against the French and the Indians...when he was a British officer.

Evan Thomas, Professor, Princeton University

The Americans call it The French and Indian War but the British rather inaccurately refer to it as The Seven Years War – it starts in 1754 and ends nine years later in 1763. Washington’s commissioned a lieutenant colonel.

But though his belief in his mother country, England, has been shaken, Washington still seeks an officer’s commission in the British Army. He may be a Colonel in the militia but the lowliest British officer technically outranks him. His application’s rejected:

“He was turned down for a leadership position in the British military, and was embittered by that.

Mark Feldstein, Professor, University of Maryland

Washington sees himself as essentially English, and yet even after loyal military service, England regards him as second class. The British Empire would come to regret its rejection.

George Washington | HISTORY

I could see myself as a Tory.

All things considered, the world is a better off that we seperted.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:10 pm

My point?

That sometimes getting angry and breaking the law is the last resort to unyielding authority.

When injustice is not addressed people rise up, same way back then, same today.

There are those that will take advantage of any situation, on both sides of the argument, nothing is black and white.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:31 pm

Bruv;1484057 wrote: My point?

That sometimes getting angry and breaking the law is the last resort to unyielding authority.

When injustice is not addressed people rise up, same way back then, same today.

There are those that will take advantage of any situation, on both sides of the argument, nothing is black and white.

There is black and white, as the looters, liars, political hacks all know too well.

When Michael Brown choose to attack a peace officer, in what world could anyone expect a good outcome?

What good outcome could anybody expect after looting and burning down the local grocery store could bring?

What good is it to ruin the life of Darren Wilson, the victim in all this?

Maybe you don't see it, but I am not color blind when it comes to right and wrong.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:34 pm

"Maybe you don't see it, but I am not color blind when it comes to right and wrong."

Are you saying black people are always wrong & white people are always right?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:38 pm

tude dog;1484061 wrote: Maybe you don't see it, but I am not color blind when it comes to right and wrong.

Maybe it is YOU that don't see it, you may not be colour blind but you are short sighted.................much like Michael Brown ? But he had issues to deal with......what is your excuse ?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:41 pm

Bruv;1484064 wrote: Maybe it is YOU that don't see it, you may not be colour blind but you are short sighted.................much like Michael Brown ? But he had issues to deal with......what is your excuse ?

He's a racist. Which is funny when you think of him baking in a nazi oven.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:45 pm

AnneBoleyn;1484065 wrote: He's a racist. Which is funny when you think of him baking in a nazi oven.

You can say that.......I wouldn't dare.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:49 pm

Bruv;1484067 wrote: You can say that.......I wouldn't dare.

He's the pot calling the kettle black.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:28 pm

Bruv;1484064 wrote: Maybe it is YOU that don't see it, you may not be colour blind but you are short sighted.................much like Michael Brown ?

Really???

Not so short sighted that I would go about knocking about shopkeepers, clocking a cop then trying to take his gun. Leaving only to return in a threatening manner.

Bruv;1484064 wrote: But he had issues to deal with......

For real?:-5

Bruv;1484064 wrote: what is your excuse ?

You just lost me.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:34 pm

AnneBoleyn;1484039 wrote: You are an activist. You actively pursue & promote your point of view. Activism isn't a synonym for violent behavior.

Never said activism is a synonym for violent behavior.

In my early years I tried to get involved in ways which never made a difference. I learned actually doing something of substance made much more sense.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:45 pm

AnneBoleyn;1484063 wrote: "Maybe you don't see it, but I am not color blind when it comes to right and wrong."

Are you saying black people are always wrong & white people are always right?

Don't put that on me. Bruv is the one who said

nothing is black and white.

Perhaps if I just said I don't buy into "moral relativism" it might be more acceptible?

NAW

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:47 pm

AnneBoleyn;1484065 wrote: He's a racist. Which is funny when you think of him baking in a nazi oven.

You have a weird sense of humor.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:53 pm

Bruv;1484067 wrote: You can say that.......I wouldn't dare.

Go ahead, I dare you.

You want to, just do it! You'll feel better in the morning.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:51 pm

You would think that most folks would be trying to move out of town by now. I certainly can't imagine a business wanting to invest their time or energy there.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 5:14 am

Tude knows the 'How' but fails to ask the 'Why'................maybe he lacks empathy

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:40 am

tude dog;1484077 wrote:

I learned actually doing something of substance made much more sense.

Actually doing something IS Activism.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:41 am

flopstock;1484089 wrote: You would think that most folks would be trying to move out of town by now. I certainly can't imagine a business wanting to invest their time or energy there.

I agree. Move where the jobs are.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:44 am

tude dog;1484079 wrote: You have a weird sense of humor.

Wasn't being humorous. You speak of black people the same as anti-semites speak of you.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:27 am

LarsMac;1484026 wrote: I am not entirely sure what "the subject" is. I was just following the flow of the conversation.

Always appreciate heckling from the peanut gallary.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:46 am

flopstock;1484089 wrote: You would think that most folks would be trying to move out of town by now. I certainly can't imagine a business wanting to invest their time or energy there.

Oh, they won't.

I don't know how many years after the Watts riots before anybody would invest any amount of money into that neighborhood.

There were some willing to take the risk, not the major stores.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:10 pm

Bruv;1484092 wrote: Tude knows the 'How' but fails to ask the 'Why'

There all kinds of people pontificating about the "how and why". You have something to add?

Bruv;1484092 wrote: ..............maybe he lacks empathy

I mentioned the Watts riots.

What I didn't mention is that it was estimated that only like 3or4% of the population were involved in the looting etc.

I have empathy for the 95% plus who had to suffer the criminal activities of the 3 or 4 percent.

I suspect the same is in Ferguson.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:26 pm

AnneBoleyn;1484094 wrote: Actually doing something IS Activism.

Going back to post #4,

Activist--"An activist is a person who campaigns for some kind of social change. Someone who's actively involved in a protest or a political or social cause can be called an activist." Vocabulary.com

That is what I gave up.

Two of the things I am most proud of is visiting old folk at a retirement home Raising money via used book sales for the local library.

Came to Kansas help build a shelter and basketball court for the local park.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:33 pm

AnneBoleyn;1484096 wrote: Wasn't being humorous. You speak of black people the same as anti-semites speak of you.

That maybe true.

I don't pay attention to antisemites.

It would be nice to hear what I said which was racist-bigoted, etc.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:45 pm

tude dog;1484113 wrote: There all kinds of people pontificating about the "how and why". You have something to add?

The only thing I can add is to ask you to listen closely to those people,especially the angry professional black activists, the ones you rail against so bitterly who latch on to these events that occur oh so often in the land of the not so free for some.

It might be worth asking if my meaning is not immediately clear to you, alternatively you could dismiss it with one of your famous one liner put downs.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:12 pm

Bruv;1484127 wrote: The only thing I can add is to ask you to listen closely to those people,especially the angry professional black activists,

Oh I have, over and over and over.

Don't lecture me, tell me which of these black activists you admire so much I should give credence to.

Bruv;1484127 wrote: It might be worth asking if my meaning is not immediately clear to you, alternatively you could dismiss it with one of your famous one liner put downs.

No, what you are suggesting is I ignore a life time of experience.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:04 am

tude dog;1484139 wrote: Oh I have, over and over and over.

Don't lecture me, tell me which of these black activists you admire so much I should give credence to.

No, what you are suggesting is I ignore a life time of experience.

You may have heard over and over and over, but have you listened, really listened ?

Listened to the words, filtering out your own and their bias, filtered out their attitude, their anger ?

Whether you like it or not blacks get the sh*tty end of the stick more often than whites, it might be they deserve it, it might be an inbuilt racial difference, if you think that let me know and I wont spend my time lecturing you.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:33 am

Bruv;1484146 wrote: You may have heard over and over and over, but have you listened, really listened ?

Listened to the words, filtering out your own and their bias, filtered out their attitude, their anger

Oh stop it.

Bruv;1484146 wrote: Whether you like it or not blacks get the sh*tty end of the stick more often than whites, it might be they deserve it, it might be an inbuilt racial difference, if you think that let me know and I wont spend my time lecturing you.

I'll ask you if Darren Wilson deserved the treatment he got?

Meanwhile

JACKASS

BALTIMORE HOMICIDES

I feel bad for picking on Chicago so often so I included Baltimore.

There are any number of cities I could point to, where law enforcement people walk into a danger zone, mostly occupied by regular folk.

Who's the blame?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 1:29 pm

Tude you didn't answer the question.

So what are you telling me with those links ?

America is full of guns and angry people ?

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:12 pm

Bruv;1484182 wrote: So what are you telling me with those links ?

America is full of guns and angry people ?

Oh no not at all.

I'll tell you what makes me angry is screwing of Darrel Wilson

Darren Wilson Is Cleared of Rights Violations in Ferguson Shooting

To bad all the burning and looting.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:38 pm

tude dog;1484184 wrote: Oh no not at all.

I'll tell you what makes me angry is screwing of Darrel Wilson

Darren Wilson Is Cleared of Rights Violations in Ferguson Shooting

To bad all the burning and looting.

You keep repeating yourself, saying it again and again and again doesn't help anything.

Your angry because of 'screwing' Darrel Wilson..................wonder how all those shot dead blacks relatives feel ?

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:05 pm

tude dog, do you ever get the feeling that you're being got at ?

I wonder why that is....................

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:40 pm

G#Gill;1484226 wrote: tude dog, do you ever get the feeling that you're being got at ?

I wonder why that is....................

I don't know what you mean by being got at, but I asked for it.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:23 am

I'm not saying anything personal here, TD, you told this story yourself on board.

Tude was raised in public housing, population being mostly poor black, probably was gang-infested. As part of the white minority, you were probably picked on. Maybe there is even some anger at the parent(s) who forced you to spend your childhood this way. This is where your racism began. Make no mistake, you are a racist, & these are the experiences you refer to in a post in this thread. These experiences were your teachers.

I'm not denying this was hard for you, but it's time to stop blaming, understand not every white has had such poor relationships with blacks; indeed, have known fine people who happen to be black. Time to face it, see your experiences for what they were & grow out of them.

Or not. It's up to you. As for the Kenyan in the White House, the Kansas Kenyan---we should give up hyphenated Americans. Where were your folks from? Is that how you describe yourself?

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:39 am

tude dog;1484076 wrote:

Not so short sighted that I would go about knocking about shopkeepers

I see both sides of the argument. Was Michael Brown an angry product of a poverty-stricken and hardship-twisted background? Does American society deserve some responsibility for that? Most likely. Did Michael Brown bully, steal, become violent and therefore bear some responsibility for what happened to him? Also likely.

There are lots of things in my life I feel are viciously unfair, wrong, and even criminal. Things so bad they sometimes make me despair just as Michael Brown must have. The brutally unfair charges that the health profession racks up, the unfairness of education, the growing separation of income inequality in America come to mind.

But each person must take the responsibility, personally, to try to make changes legally and without violence. Ghandi, King, Mandella, and a host of others have proved that is possible.

Brown lost any sympathy from me when he turned violent as a way to deal with his unfair life.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Wed Aug 19, 2015 5:01 pm

AnneBoleyn;1484332 wrote: I'm not saying anything personal here, TD, you told this story yourself on board.

Tude was raised in public housing, population being mostly poor black, probably was gang-infested. As part of the white minority, you were probably picked on. Maybe there is even some anger at the parent(s) who forced you to spend your childhood this way. This is where your racism began. Make no mistake, you are a racist, & these are the experiences you refer to in a post in this thread. These experiences were your teachers.

I'm not denying this was hard for you, but it's time to stop blaming, understand not every white has had such poor relationships with blacks; indeed, have known fine people who happen to be black. Time to face it, see your experiences for what they were & grow out of them.

Uh, in your imagination, a better story than I been telling my grand kids.

AnneBoleyn;1484332 wrote: Or not. It's up to you. As for the Kenyan in the White House, the Kansas Kenyan---we should give up hyphenated Americans.

I agree.

AnneBoleyn;1484332 wrote: Where were your folks from? Is that how you describe yourself?

I never describe myself as any other thing than American.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Wed Aug 19, 2015 5:07 pm

Bruv;1484186 wrote: You keep repeating yourself, saying it again and again and again doesn't help anything.

Your angry because of 'screwing' Darrel Wilson..................wonder how all those shot dead blacks relatives feel ?

Who shot those dead blacks?

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:50 am

I do wish folk would get their facts right !!!!

Barack Obama's mother was born in Kansas, his father was born in Kenya, and BO himself was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. :rolleyes: