I note that the Prime Minister has been bleating on this week about not using the words Islamic State because Islamic State isn't Islamic.
I beg to differ, Mr Cameron. What you might mean is that Islamic State isn't representative of many Muslims, perhaps even the majority of Muslims. That doesn't mean they're not Muslims or that their religion is anything but Islamic, it just means it's not representative of Islam as a whole. It's definitely representative of an extreme wing of Islam. What it has never labelled itself is Representative Islamic State.
You tell us you want everyone to call them the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIL as it's abbreviated. This, in some strange sense, will make it clear that we disparage their Islamist credentials in some way. It sounds awfully like Islamic State with a couple of geographic indicators appended, to me.
You are a senseless gimboid, Mr Cameron, and you talk out of your arse.
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It would make more sense if he were to say that IS are no more Islamic than the Ku Klux Klan are Christian.
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FourPart;1482496 wrote: It would make more sense if he were to say that IS are no more Islamic than the Ku Klux Klan are Christian.
Why pick an example out of history, if you want fanatical extremists? IS is no more Islamic than the Labour Party is Socialist, or the Conservative Party is egalitarian.
Why pick an example out of history, if you want fanatical extremists? IS is no more Islamic than the Labour Party is Socialist, or the Conservative Party is egalitarian.
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spot;1482490 wrote: You are a senseless gimboid, Mr Cameron, and you talk out of your arse.
I hear the Real IRA were not the IRA or Real, at least old Maggie never concerned herself about such trivialities.
I hear the Real IRA were not the IRA or Real, at least old Maggie never concerned herself about such trivialities.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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FourPart;1482496 wrote: It would make more sense if he were to say that IS are no more Islamic than the Ku Klux Klan are Christian.
But they were christian it was their main justification, white protestant and not just against blacks but catholics, jews and roman catholics. The main justifucation for black slavery in a world where all men are supoposedly equal is biblical and religious - black people were ordained by god to be inferior. ISIS see non believers as inferior why pretend religion plays no part in all of this.
But they were christian it was their main justification, white protestant and not just against blacks but catholics, jews and roman catholics. The main justifucation for black slavery in a world where all men are supoposedly equal is biblical and religious - black people were ordained by god to be inferior. ISIS see non believers as inferior why pretend religion plays no part in all of this.
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That's my point. They're no more representative of Islam than the Ku Klux Klan are of Christianity. Both are fanatics using their religions to justify their actions, but neither is, in any way, typical.
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FourPart;1482516 wrote: That's my point. They're no more representative of Islam than the Ku Klux Klan are of Christianity. Both are fanatics using their religions to justify their actions, but neither is, in any way, typical.
Actually yes they are typical of their religions there are countless example from the past as well as what's going on in the present day where religious fanatics have unleashed appalling atrocities on those they saw as not worthy or inferior it's endemic to religion and specially the ones whose roots are in the middle east. Yes they may be fantics and maybe they are the type that would be thugs anyway but religion makes their hatred OK and acceptable. Maybe they would find another justification without religious belief arguably stalin did.
Actually yes they are typical of their religions there are countless example from the past as well as what's going on in the present day where religious fanatics have unleashed appalling atrocities on those they saw as not worthy or inferior it's endemic to religion and specially the ones whose roots are in the middle east. Yes they may be fantics and maybe they are the type that would be thugs anyway but religion makes their hatred OK and acceptable. Maybe they would find another justification without religious belief arguably stalin did.
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A timely reminder ?.................Srebrenica massacre
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The extreme Islam we see today bears little relationship to the moderate Islam practiced in the UK. Most of the moderate Muslims I know CONDEMN these fanatics as "agents of Shaitan", or Satan as we know "him", and the other moderates strongly disapprove of I.S. actions and "policy" as being utterly unrepresentative of moderate Islam. They deem these terrorists 'Haram' (untouchable, unclean, forbidden).
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I suggest that some at least of the Muslims who have left their natal country to live in the UK did so to get away from a harder-line Islamic culture than exists here. Certainly subsequent generations will - by and large, give or take a bit - find UK life less restrictive than their parents were born into.
Because of that, I'm not sure that UK Muslims are particularly representative of Islam at all. In this country Islam has far less of a natural right to deploy patriarchal assumptions than it does where it forms the State religion.
While things will also change elsewhere they'll do so far more slowly, and the more Western disruption those societies have imposed on them the more resistance there will be to that change.
Because of that, I'm not sure that UK Muslims are particularly representative of Islam at all. In this country Islam has far less of a natural right to deploy patriarchal assumptions than it does where it forms the State religion.
While things will also change elsewhere they'll do so far more slowly, and the more Western disruption those societies have imposed on them the more resistance there will be to that change.
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Smaug;1482547 wrote: The extreme Islam we see today bears little relationship to the moderate Islam practiced in the UK. Most of the moderate Muslims I know CONDEMN these fanatics as "agents of Shaitan", or Satan as we know "him", and the other moderates strongly disapprove of I.S. actions and "policy" as being utterly unrepresentative of moderate Islam. They deem these terrorists 'Haram' (untouchable, unclean, forbidden).
Your point? They're still islamic aren't they? That's like saying catholics burning protestants as heretics - and vice versa - has little to do with their religion or when a shia kills a sunni or sunni kills a shia the religion of the protagonists is not typical of most muslims. It might not be but the hatred is because of religion to pretend it's a few extremists running around is kind of hard to justify, Those same moderate muslims don't want their children to mix with the society around them and use their faith as an excuse - to bleat it's not my god they've got it all wrong really make any sense when that's coming from a monotheistic religion thatpreaches follow god my way or go to hell. They just disagree over the method of imposing their religion on others as they would do given half a chance. We live in a relatively tolerant society despite religion not because of it.
Your point? They're still islamic aren't they? That's like saying catholics burning protestants as heretics - and vice versa - has little to do with their religion or when a shia kills a sunni or sunni kills a shia the religion of the protagonists is not typical of most muslims. It might not be but the hatred is because of religion to pretend it's a few extremists running around is kind of hard to justify, Those same moderate muslims don't want their children to mix with the society around them and use their faith as an excuse - to bleat it's not my god they've got it all wrong really make any sense when that's coming from a monotheistic religion thatpreaches follow god my way or go to hell. They just disagree over the method of imposing their religion on others as they would do given half a chance. We live in a relatively tolerant society despite religion not because of it.
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Obama says the Islamic State ‘is not Islamic.’
Throughout his presidency, President Obama has emphasized one point while talking about Islamist extremists: They are not practicing Islam, he has said, they are perverting it.
He took that a step further Wednesday night. While announcing that he's expanding the campaign against the Islamic State extremist group into Syria, Obama said flatly that this group, which is trying to install a caliphate in the Middle East, "is not Islamic." He didn't say they are perverting their religion; he said they're not even part of that religion.
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Hmm, by what authority does our dear president make the proclamation of what Islam is?
I have no idea and I would never expect a straight answer from him.
It is all politics.
Throughout his presidency, President Obama has emphasized one point while talking about Islamist extremists: They are not practicing Islam, he has said, they are perverting it.
He took that a step further Wednesday night. While announcing that he's expanding the campaign against the Islamic State extremist group into Syria, Obama said flatly that this group, which is trying to install a caliphate in the Middle East, "is not Islamic." He didn't say they are perverting their religion; he said they're not even part of that religion.
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Hmm, by what authority does our dear president make the proclamation of what Islam is?
I have no idea and I would never expect a straight answer from him.
It is all politics.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of victims have been Muslim," Obama said. (Obama refers to the group as ISIL;
Good grief has he not read the christian bible especially the old testament where christians can glory of the genicide and slavery heaped by their god on unbelievers
Good grief has he not read the christian bible especially the old testament where christians can glory of the genicide and slavery heaped by their god on unbelievers
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gmc;1482743 wrote: Good grief has he not read the christian bible especially the old testament where christians can glory of the genicide and slavery heaped by their god on unbelievers
The Old Testament is just as much the Islamic bible as it is the Christian bible, you know. The first five books are revered by Muslims as God's word, just as they are in Judaism. The Qur'an is the final revelation of a series just as the Prophet is the final prophet of a series.
The Old Testament is just as much the Islamic bible as it is the Christian bible, you know. The first five books are revered by Muslims as God's word, just as they are in Judaism. The Qur'an is the final revelation of a series just as the Prophet is the final prophet of a series.
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tude dog;1482724 wrote: Hmm, by what authority does our dear president make the proclamation of what Islam is?
I thought he was an Imam. Is he not an Imam? Deep down? He's not called Hussein for nothing, you know.
Poll: 54% of Republicans say that, "deep down," Obama is a Muslim - Vox - and yes, that's this year's figure.
If you want to feel shame at anything, start with pig-ignorance on the part of your fellow Republicans.
I thought he was an Imam. Is he not an Imam? Deep down? He's not called Hussein for nothing, you know.
Poll: 54% of Republicans say that, "deep down," Obama is a Muslim - Vox - and yes, that's this year's figure.
If you want to feel shame at anything, start with pig-ignorance on the part of your fellow Republicans.
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spot;1482753 wrote: I thought he was an Imam. Is he not an Imam? Deep down? He's not called Hussein for nothing, you know.
Poll: 54% of Republicans say that, "deep down," Obama is a Muslim - Vox - and yes, that's this year's figure.
If you want to feel shame at anything, start with pig-ignorance on the part of your fellow Republicans.
I am looking at the poll you reffered to.
Who conducted it and who supports that site?
How about a list of questions, when and how such a poll was conducted?
I think Obama claims to be a Christian and it is not my place to question that.
Often wondered who would attend a church for where the Jeremiah Wright not only married you and your wife, baptize your children then when running for president all but denies knowing the guy.
I suggest he has no particular faith except his ideological faith of progressivism.
Poll: 54% of Republicans say that, "deep down," Obama is a Muslim - Vox - and yes, that's this year's figure.
If you want to feel shame at anything, start with pig-ignorance on the part of your fellow Republicans.
I am looking at the poll you reffered to.
Who conducted it and who supports that site?
How about a list of questions, when and how such a poll was conducted?
I think Obama claims to be a Christian and it is not my place to question that.
Often wondered who would attend a church for where the Jeremiah Wright not only married you and your wife, baptize your children then when running for president all but denies knowing the guy.
I suggest he has no particular faith except his ideological faith of progressivism.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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tude dog;1482808 wrote: Who conducted it and who supports that site?
How about a list of questions, when and how such a poll was conducted?
The researcher who constructed and ran the poll designed the question quite cannily, and the question itself was quoted in the article. He asked " "Which of these do you think most likely describes what Obama believes deep down? Muslim, Christian, atheist, spiritual, or I don't know"" and from what I can see the words "deep down" released the Republican responders from all reliance on actual fact.
Yes of course the President professes Christianity, but "deep down" lets Republican respondents disregard what the man says, allows their bigotry full reign and pushes the poll results higher. Without "deep down" the "Muslim" response is less than 52% but it's still disgustingly high, for what's blatantly a bigoted untruth.
The researcher describes himself at https://sites.google.com/site/alexandertheodoridis/ thus: "I have a PhD in Political Science at the University of California, Berkeley, a Master's in Public Policy from Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government and a BA in English and Politics from the University of Virginia."
How about a list of questions, when and how such a poll was conducted?
The researcher who constructed and ran the poll designed the question quite cannily, and the question itself was quoted in the article. He asked " "Which of these do you think most likely describes what Obama believes deep down? Muslim, Christian, atheist, spiritual, or I don't know"" and from what I can see the words "deep down" released the Republican responders from all reliance on actual fact.
Yes of course the President professes Christianity, but "deep down" lets Republican respondents disregard what the man says, allows their bigotry full reign and pushes the poll results higher. Without "deep down" the "Muslim" response is less than 52% but it's still disgustingly high, for what's blatantly a bigoted untruth.
The researcher describes himself at https://sites.google.com/site/alexandertheodoridis/ thus: "I have a PhD in Political Science at the University of California, Berkeley, a Master's in Public Policy from Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government and a BA in English and Politics from the University of Virginia."
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spot;1482818 wrote: The researcher who constructed and ran the poll designed the question quite cannily, and the question itself was quoted in the article. He asked " "Which of these do you think most likely describes what Obama believes deep down? Muslim, Christian, atheist, spiritual, or I don't know"" and from what I can see the words "deep down" released the Republican responders from all reliance on actual fact.
Yes of course the President professes Christianity, but "deep down" lets Republican respondents disregard what the man says, allows their bigotry full reign and pushes the poll results higher. Without "deep down" the "Muslim" response is less than 52% but it's still disgustingly high, for what's blatantly a bigoted untruth.
The researcher describes himself at https://sites.google.com/site/alexandertheodoridis/ thus: "I have a PhD in Political Science at the University of California, Berkeley, a Master's in Public Policy from Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government and a BA in English and Politics from the University of Virginia."
Thank you
Sounds lame to me. I'll leave it at that.
Yes of course the President professes Christianity, but "deep down" lets Republican respondents disregard what the man says, allows their bigotry full reign and pushes the poll results higher. Without "deep down" the "Muslim" response is less than 52% but it's still disgustingly high, for what's blatantly a bigoted untruth.
The researcher describes himself at https://sites.google.com/site/alexandertheodoridis/ thus: "I have a PhD in Political Science at the University of California, Berkeley, a Master's in Public Policy from Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government and a BA in English and Politics from the University of Virginia."
Thank you
Sounds lame to me. I'll leave it at that.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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tude dog;1482820 wrote: Sounds lame to me. I'll leave it at that.Are you seriously trying to say the suggestion President Obama is a Muslim isn't rife throughout the American Right? What on earth do you think this stunning New Yorker cover was a parody of?
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If you remember, during the election his opponent (can't remember who he was but came across as a bit of a loony extremist) went about trying to spread rumours that Obama hadn't even been in the U.S. & was, therefore not lawfully eligible to stand for election as President. Of course it was no problem for Obama to produce his Birth Certificate to disprove the claim, but the seeds of doubt had, by this time, been sewn in the minds of the gullible & the conspiricists, which was probably the initial intent in the Dirty Tricks campaign.
As for the supposed poll, regardless of the wording, the answers are also presented in a biased manner, itemising Muslim as first on the list. Of course, the same argument could have been said about putting them in any order, but I reckon a fairer placement would have been in the proportionate order of the Religions followed within the country, as defined by the country's last census.
As for the 'Deep Down' bit, that could also be taken to mean what the person believes, deep down, or their opinion of what Obama believes, deep down. Thus, the wording, in itself, is ambiguous.
Regardless of the wording, however, I would still believe that the poll would have been initiated & targeted to that same political group that tried to instil doubts of his Nationality. After all, by rights, even if Obama was openly Muslim it shouldn't make the slightest bit of difference as, according to the Constitution, every Citizen has the right to worship whatever religion they choose, so the question itself is a moot point. It is just another attempt to stir up the hatred in people's inner bigotries.
As for the supposed poll, regardless of the wording, the answers are also presented in a biased manner, itemising Muslim as first on the list. Of course, the same argument could have been said about putting them in any order, but I reckon a fairer placement would have been in the proportionate order of the Religions followed within the country, as defined by the country's last census.
As for the 'Deep Down' bit, that could also be taken to mean what the person believes, deep down, or their opinion of what Obama believes, deep down. Thus, the wording, in itself, is ambiguous.
Regardless of the wording, however, I would still believe that the poll would have been initiated & targeted to that same political group that tried to instil doubts of his Nationality. After all, by rights, even if Obama was openly Muslim it shouldn't make the slightest bit of difference as, according to the Constitution, every Citizen has the right to worship whatever religion they choose, so the question itself is a moot point. It is just another attempt to stir up the hatred in people's inner bigotries.
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LarsMac;1482825 wrote: Looks a bit like Angela Davis.
That was, I fear, very deliberate!
That was, I fear, very deliberate!
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FourPart;1482826 wrote: If you remember, during the election his opponent (can't remember who he was but came across as a bit of a loony extremist) went about trying to spread rumours that Obama hadn't even been in the U.S. & was, therefore not lawfully eligible to stand for election as President.
I think you're mis-remembering but if you can come up with an incident or report I'd be interested to see it.
In 2012 President Obama's opponent was Mitt Romney, a Mormon whose sole political experience, less even than the Lady from Alaska, was a single term as Governor of the seventh smallest State in the Union, Massachusetts. If anyone was going to bring up religion it would have been the President but he was too much a gentleman to be so underhand. What Mormons believe ought, in a fair and reasonable world, to disbar its professing adherents on the grounds of insanity from seeking public office.
In 2008 Obama's opponent was John McCain who notably got booed, while addressing his own supporters, for telling them how ignorant they were about Obama's background. John McCain might be many things but "loony extremist" isn't one of them, he's given a lifetime of diligent and honorable public service.
Who were you thinking of?
I think you're mis-remembering but if you can come up with an incident or report I'd be interested to see it.
In 2012 President Obama's opponent was Mitt Romney, a Mormon whose sole political experience, less even than the Lady from Alaska, was a single term as Governor of the seventh smallest State in the Union, Massachusetts. If anyone was going to bring up religion it would have been the President but he was too much a gentleman to be so underhand. What Mormons believe ought, in a fair and reasonable world, to disbar its professing adherents on the grounds of insanity from seeking public office.
In 2008 Obama's opponent was John McCain who notably got booed, while addressing his own supporters, for telling them how ignorant they were about Obama's background. John McCain might be many things but "loony extremist" isn't one of them, he's given a lifetime of diligent and honorable public service.
Who were you thinking of?
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Massachusetts is small in area, but has a huge economy & is an important state on many levels, including being the birthplace of our Glorious Revolution against the insane King George IV!
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The Third. The Fourth was the pauntly one-time Prinny of Beau Brummel fame, the ex-Regent. The Third was ill, not mad - he periodically recovered his health and resumed governing. He was, admittedly, annoyed with the American revolutionaries, but then so too were quite a number of Americans.
Being "an important state on many levels" doesn't make up for Mr Romney having only ever served one term as Governor, and no time at all in either House in Washington. He was, and is, if you'll excuse my saying so, something of a light-weight candidate. He would undoubtedly make a fine librarian, with a bit of training.
I note that Massachusetts has a population and economy rather smaller than that controlled by our inestimable Mayor of London who, far from being overworked, also finds time to be a Member of Parliament. The State of Massachusetts boasts one small recently-established city, Boston, and a number of what in England would qualify as townships - our cities tend to have rather more people in them.
Being "an important state on many levels" doesn't make up for Mr Romney having only ever served one term as Governor, and no time at all in either House in Washington. He was, and is, if you'll excuse my saying so, something of a light-weight candidate. He would undoubtedly make a fine librarian, with a bit of training.
I note that Massachusetts has a population and economy rather smaller than that controlled by our inestimable Mayor of London who, far from being overworked, also finds time to be a Member of Parliament. The State of Massachusetts boasts one small recently-established city, Boston, and a number of what in England would qualify as townships - our cities tend to have rather more people in them.
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Oops! Thanks for the correction.
I see no importance whatsoever in Mitt Romney. Massachusetts is very important for New England, in terms of schools, hospitals, universities, technology in general. When I lived in NH, it was popular to call MA "Taxachusetts", yet that is where we all went to go to a museum.
I see no importance whatsoever in Mitt Romney. Massachusetts is very important for New England, in terms of schools, hospitals, universities, technology in general. When I lived in NH, it was popular to call MA "Taxachusetts", yet that is where we all went to go to a museum.
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spot;1482836 wrote: ................rather smaller than that controlled by our inestimable Mayor of London who, far from being overworked, also finds time to be a Member of Parliament.
To echo one of your recent comments...............
I don't believe Boris Johnson can carry the weight of that word, even in today's lax times.
To echo one of your recent comments...............
I don't believe Boris Johnson can carry the weight of that word, even in today's lax times.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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spot;1482821 wrote: Are you seriously trying to say the suggestion President Obama is a Muslim isn't rife throughout the American Right?
OK I back down. For myself, I can say Obama has some scary attitudes.
spot;1482821 wrote: What on earth do you think this stunning New Yorker cover was a parody of?
Stunning you say?
I seen that before and thought to save it for future use.
Must admit I really don't know what the New Yorker is about. Searilouly, the concept that anything New York would be right wing would amaze me.
Obama is suppose to be a smart guy.
Doesn't seem like he likes America all that much
OK I back down. For myself, I can say Obama has some scary attitudes.
spot;1482821 wrote: What on earth do you think this stunning New Yorker cover was a parody of?
Stunning you say?
I seen that before and thought to save it for future use.
Must admit I really don't know what the New Yorker is about. Searilouly, the concept that anything New York would be right wing would amaze me.
Obama is suppose to be a smart guy.
Doesn't seem like he likes America all that much
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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gmc;1482564 wrote: Your point? They're still islamic aren't they? That's like saying catholics burning protestants as heretics - and vice versa - has little to do with their religion or when a shia kills a sunni or sunni kills a shia the religion of the protagonists is not typical of most muslims. It might not be but the hatred is because of religion to pretend it's a few extremists running around is kind of hard to justify, Those same moderate muslims don't want their children to mix with the society around them and use their faith as an excuse - to bleat it's not my god they've got it all wrong really make any sense when that's coming from a monotheistic religion thatpreaches follow god my way or go to hell. They just disagree over the method of imposing their religion on others as they would do given half a chance. We live in a relatively tolerant society despite religion not because of it.
You can't judge a whole religion on extremist's actions, any more than you can judge, for instance, ordinary Americans by the actions of their government. There are an awful lot more Muslims who want to live in peace than sympathize with I.S. As for "going to hell", Christian preachers have been threatening congregations with that until very recently, so nothing new there!
As a society we are quite tolerant of other religions, but if I.S. keep committing atrocities that could change, especially if the far-right start to gain support.
You can't judge a whole religion on extremist's actions, any more than you can judge, for instance, ordinary Americans by the actions of their government. There are an awful lot more Muslims who want to live in peace than sympathize with I.S. As for "going to hell", Christian preachers have been threatening congregations with that until very recently, so nothing new there!
As a society we are quite tolerant of other religions, but if I.S. keep committing atrocities that could change, especially if the far-right start to gain support.
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tude dog;1482854 wrote: Stunning you say? If the original came up for auction I'd throw in a bid myself, I think it defines its times like no other artwork this century. I've bought original cartoon pages before, but never anything that famous.
Obama is suppose to be a smart guy.
Doesn't seem like he likes America all that much
He has my sympathy. Most Americans have my sympathy, come to that.
Obama is suppose to be a smart guy.
Doesn't seem like he likes America all that much
He has my sympathy. Most Americans have my sympathy, come to that.
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spot;1482863 wrote:
He has my sympathy. Most Americans have my sympathy, come to that.
Thanks. I'll take it.
He has my sympathy. Most Americans have my sympathy, come to that.
Thanks. I'll take it.
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AnneBoleyn;1482875 wrote: Thanks. I'll take it.
Reminds me my dad saying if you want sympathy you can find it in the dictionary,
between
'sh't and syphillis'
Reminds me my dad saying if you want sympathy you can find it in the dictionary,
between
'sh't and syphillis'
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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I don't know who it was who first said it, but it's true - "The only ones who are going to be able to defeat ISIS in the long term are the Muslims".
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FourPart;1483125 wrote: I don't know who it was who first said it, but it's true - "The only ones who are going to be able to defeat ISIS in the long term are the Muslims".
There's lots of truths. There would never have been an ISIS in the first place had the Western Powers not gone on their Crusade this last twelve years, led there by the Neocon Bush White House Administration and the criminally over-eager Tony Blair. The subsequent rise of the Caliphate was inevitable.
What the world needs from the Muslim Middle East now is a single strong leader with demonstrable anti-American credentials, otherwise we'll just get more of the same war-from-a-distance from Uncle Sam and his poodles in Whitehall in future. State-sponsored military intervention abroad has to be seen to be against the interests of the aggressor.
There's lots of truths. There would never have been an ISIS in the first place had the Western Powers not gone on their Crusade this last twelve years, led there by the Neocon Bush White House Administration and the criminally over-eager Tony Blair. The subsequent rise of the Caliphate was inevitable.
What the world needs from the Muslim Middle East now is a single strong leader with demonstrable anti-American credentials, otherwise we'll just get more of the same war-from-a-distance from Uncle Sam and his poodles in Whitehall in future. State-sponsored military intervention abroad has to be seen to be against the interests of the aggressor.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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The easiest way to allot the blame structure is to apply it to recent events. The reality is that this is far from a recent thing. It's been going on for centuries in some form or another. Back in the 70s, for instance, there was the business with the Ayatollah Yhomeni & the Shah. Even that was nothing new. Radical factions have been trying to take over control of the Islamic world ever since Sunni & Shia went their separate ways & declared Jihad on each other. There are times I ask myself why we're even getting involved. What difference would there really be if they did decide to take over the Middle East & impose their Extremist Sharia Laws on each other. No matter what we do they'll only continue to kill & maim each other like the primitives they seem to be. Would it really affect us in the West in any way if we simply left them to it.
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Iraq, Libya and Syria were governed by the most enlightened secular governments consonant with the security of their countries, and not even they could stave off Western destabilization. Life for the citizens of those countries has collapsed catastrophically as a result of the destruction of those governments. Nobody can pretend that the Western interventions were in aid of the region.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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Islamic State is clearly not your average rag-tag collection of random terrorists. They are well prepared but more importantly, very well armed and supported.
They obviously have a never ending source of funding and indications are that it has Saudi origins. Has this funding been pinpointed yet ? I'm certain that should that be targeted, it's influence and danger to the world could be reduced dramatically
They obviously have a never ending source of funding and indications are that it has Saudi origins. Has this funding been pinpointed yet ? I'm certain that should that be targeted, it's influence and danger to the world could be reduced dramatically
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Snowfire;1483139 wrote: Islamic State is clearly not your average rag-tag collection of random terrorists. They are well prepared but more importantly, very well armed and supported.
They obviously have a never ending source of funding and indications are that it has Saudi origins. Has this funding been pinpointed yet ? I'm certain that should that be targeted, it's influence and danger to the world could be reduced dramatically
I think you are right. Saudis, maybe the Kuwaitis could be behind them. Another suspect worth some scrutiny is Qatar. They have lots of cash and always manage to appear neutral. Perfect scoundrel for a Bond script.
They obviously have a never ending source of funding and indications are that it has Saudi origins. Has this funding been pinpointed yet ? I'm certain that should that be targeted, it's influence and danger to the world could be reduced dramatically
I think you are right. Saudis, maybe the Kuwaitis could be behind them. Another suspect worth some scrutiny is Qatar. They have lots of cash and always manage to appear neutral. Perfect scoundrel for a Bond script.
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The question I want to ask is, are there any arms factories in the region ?
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Snowfire;1483139 wrote: Islamic State is clearly not your average rag-tag collection of random terrorists. They are well prepared but more importantly, very well armed and supported.
The US Neocon movement is clearly not your average rag-tag collection of random terrorists. They are well prepared but more importantly, very well armed and supported.
The US Neocon movement is clearly not your average rag-tag collection of random terrorists. They are well prepared but more importantly, very well armed and supported.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Bruv;1483143 wrote: The question I want to ask is, are there any arms factories in the region ?
Indeed there are. Putting a nation under sanctions strengthens it in many ways, one of which is the establishment of a home-grown and surprisingly effective arms industry. Iran since 1979 is a prime example.
Indeed there are. Putting a nation under sanctions strengthens it in many ways, one of which is the establishment of a home-grown and surprisingly effective arms industry. Iran since 1979 is a prime example.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot;1483144 wrote: The US Neocon movement is clearly not your average rag-tag collection of random terrorists. They are well prepared but more importantly, very well armed and supported.
Sure. That works but it doesn't reall answer the question. The premise for such a question is assuming that IS being the enemy on our doorstep. While I understand your stance on the US and the UK's instigation of present day terrorism, we still have this rolling thunder, making me at least, very uncomfortable. I don't want it to gather pace any more than I do any incursions onto foreign soil by us, the US, nor anyone else.
Sure. That works but it doesn't reall answer the question. The premise for such a question is assuming that IS being the enemy on our doorstep. While I understand your stance on the US and the UK's instigation of present day terrorism, we still have this rolling thunder, making me at least, very uncomfortable. I don't want it to gather pace any more than I do any incursions onto foreign soil by us, the US, nor anyone else.
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
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Snowfire;1483148 wrote: Sure. That works but it doesn't reall answer the question. The premise for such a question is assuming that IS being the enemy on our doorstep. While I understand your stance on the US and the UK's instigation of present day terrorism, we still have this rolling thunder, making me at least, very uncomfortable. I don't want it to gather pace any more than I do any incursions onto foreign soil by us, the US, nor anyone else.
Or "We are here, what should we do next" rather than apportioning historical blame.
Or "We are here, what should we do next" rather than apportioning historical blame.
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Bruv;1483153 wrote: Or "We are here, what should we do next" rather than apportioning historical blame.
If every foreign, western, US soldier returned to their home barracks with a promise that they remained so in the future, I doubt very much a change in IS intentions at all. The rolling thunder will keep rolling and the rest of the world will continue to **** its pants.
If every foreign, western, US soldier returned to their home barracks with a promise that they remained so in the future, I doubt very much a change in IS intentions at all. The rolling thunder will keep rolling and the rest of the world will continue to **** its pants.
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
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Bruv;1483153 wrote: Or "We are here, what should we do next" rather than apportioning historical blame.
I don't believe you can use the word "historical" while the bastards still infect the world with their breath. I refer, for the sake of clarity, to the Neocons and their British poodles.
There are three things we can do. We can stop killing people, and we can stop paying other people to kill for us, and we can stop giving money to anyone who kills or pays other people to kill for them. By all means police within our own borders until the pips squeak, but we must stop drumming up further resistance abroad because it is all, totally, our own fault that it exists anywhere near its current scale. We have a duty to stop inflaming the situation.
I don't believe you can use the word "historical" while the bastards still infect the world with their breath. I refer, for the sake of clarity, to the Neocons and their British poodles.
There are three things we can do. We can stop killing people, and we can stop paying other people to kill for us, and we can stop giving money to anyone who kills or pays other people to kill for them. By all means police within our own borders until the pips squeak, but we must stop drumming up further resistance abroad because it is all, totally, our own fault that it exists anywhere near its current scale. We have a duty to stop inflaming the situation.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Snowfire;1483156 wrote: If every foreign, western, US soldier returned to their home barracks with a promise that they remained so in the future, I doubt very much a change in IS intentions at all. The rolling thunder will keep rolling and the rest of the world will continue to **** its pants.
IS has it's tap root threads throughout the world, it would seem not to be a Middle East concern but worldwide with no easy option. Islam has some obvious attractions in it's less extreme forms, I cannot see an answer.
IS has it's tap root threads throughout the world, it would seem not to be a Middle East concern but worldwide with no easy option. Islam has some obvious attractions in it's less extreme forms, I cannot see an answer.
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spot;1483158 wrote: I don't believe you can use the word "historical" while the bastards still infect the world with their breath. I refer, for the sake of clarity, to the Neocons and their British poodles.
There are three things we can do. We can stop killing people, and we can stop paying other people to kill for us, and we can stop giving money to anyone who kills or pays other people to kill for them. By all means police within our own borders until the pips squeak, but we must stop drumming up further resistance abroad because it is all, totally, our own fault that it exists anywhere near its current scale. We have a duty to stop inflaming the situation.
So.............we just walk away ?
There are three things we can do. We can stop killing people, and we can stop paying other people to kill for us, and we can stop giving money to anyone who kills or pays other people to kill for them. By all means police within our own borders until the pips squeak, but we must stop drumming up further resistance abroad because it is all, totally, our own fault that it exists anywhere near its current scale. We have a duty to stop inflaming the situation.
So.............we just walk away ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1483163 wrote: So.............we just walk away ?
More than that - we walk away and withhold assistance from absolutely anyone responsible for further deaths.
More than that - we walk away and withhold assistance from absolutely anyone responsible for further deaths.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot;1483164 wrote: More than that - we walk away and withhold assistance from absolutely anyone responsible for further deaths.
Including those with a vested financial interest ?
You will be living on Mars before that happens.
Including those with a vested financial interest ?
You will be living on Mars before that happens.
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It seems to me that we either fight them there or we will have to fight them here. Chamberlain tried to talk to good old Adolph and look at the result. We still had to fight. Nothing has changed. As long as there are tyrants in the world we will need to fight.