Albuquerque Horror WARNING Explicit video

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:06 pm

Police say 38-year-old James M. Boyd is the man who was killed in the shooting last Sunday..................Boyd was arguing with police for more three hours last Sunday in the foothills after officers went to talk to him about illegally camping in open space.

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I personally find this unbelievable and unforgiveable and totally horrific.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:31 pm

I just don't know what to say to that. I'm stunned.

It seems to me that the US police force behaves more and more like soldiers facing an enemy and less like police officers.

I cannot see any justification for the action they took

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:45 pm

I don't understand why they couldn't use Tasar

Post by **LarsMac** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:55 pm

So the K-9 officer is about six feet away from the guy, when the he supposedly threatened the officer with his knives. He was also turning away, which is hardly a threatening move. When the first cop fired, the second one probably reacted by firing, as well.

They should have had TASERs. That would have been a fairly non-lethal means of pacification.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:48 pm

I can understand the police were nervous, but they had previous dealings with him, knew he had mental issues, had been talking for three hours?

I should trust and hope they get training or have specialists on hand for such situations so that this sort of turn out should never happen.

But at no time were they in immediate danger of death or injury, from what I saw.

Frustration after a long day on the job shouldn't be a reason for such action.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:04 pm

After three hours they must have known whether he had a gun or not if he wasn't carrying a firearm then it was murder. pretty useless police dog.

Post by **LarsMac** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:14 pm

just now watched the "full video"

THOSE weren't knives!!!. Those were toothpicks. He was no threat to the officers with those knives.

I cannot see where he was ever an actual threat, other than, possibly to the dog, should they have turned it loose on him.

I usually try not to second-guess the guys in the field, but they really could have handled that a lot better.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:19 am

To me the real shame is the rest of us have to walk the same streets with the likes of that Boyd guy, and others.

James Boyd, 38, sometimes used box cutters, knives and his fists to attack people, including officers, according police reports. He often said he was on a secret mission and on assignment for former President Gerald Ford.

Albuquerque News - KOAT Home

To bad there is no way to just keep him somewhere everybody can be safe.

The video showed a dangerous nut case brandishing knives which under those circumstances can properly be considered a threat of great bodily injury or death.

20/20 hindsight, maybe things could have been handled differently where Boyd would be arrested, later released and once again be a threat to anybody he comes close to.

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:46 am

tude dog;1450769 wrote: To me the real shame is the rest of us have to walk the same streets with the likes of that Boyd guy, and others.

Albuquerque News - KOAT Home

To bad there is no way to just keep him somewhere everybody can be safe.

The video showed a dangerous nut case brandishing knives which under those circumstances can properly be considered a threat of great bodily injury or death.

20/20 hindsight, maybe things could have been handled differently where Boyd would be arrested, later released and once again be a threat to anybody he comes close to.

You're right, of course. They should have just shot him to begin with and saved us all the drama.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 1:01 pm

LarsMac;1450770 wrote: You're right, of course. They should have just shot him to begin with and saved us all the drama.

That might work for you, but sounds a bit nutty to me.

I would much prefer to just keep him somewhere so everybody can be safe. Our laws don't provide for ways to do such things.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:28 pm

tude dog;1450772 wrote: That might work for you, but sounds a bit nutty to me.

I would much prefer to just keep him somewhere so everybody can be safe. Our laws don't provide for ways to do such things.

The man was in need of care

Im sure Obamacare would build a facilty suitable for such citizens.......................if yall give him a chance.

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:21 pm

tude dog;1450769 wrote: To me the real shame is the rest of us have to walk the same streets with the likes of that Boyd guy, and others.

Albuquerque News - KOAT Home

To bad there is no way to just keep him somewhere everybody can be safe.

The video showed a dangerous nut case brandishing knives which under those circumstances can properly be considered a threat of great bodily injury or death.

20/20 hindsight, maybe things could have been handled differently where Boyd would be arrested, later released and once again be a threat to anybody he comes close to.

LarsMac;1450770 wrote: You're right, of course. They should have just shot him to begin with and saved us all the drama.

tude dog;1450772 wrote: That might work for you, but sounds a bit nutty to me.

I would much prefer to just keep him somewhere so everybody can be safe. Our laws don't provide for ways to do such things.

Bruv;1450775 wrote: The man was in need of care

Im sure Obamacare would build a facilty suitable for such citizens.......................if yall give him a chance.

We do have a problem, these days. People with serious issues like this guy may get picked up and turned over to psychiatric facilities for treatment, and become stabilized, but once they are properly medicated and deemed fit, they can decide they don't need to be in the facility, any longer, and demand to be released. They then neglect to take their medication, and the voices, or whatever drives them, return, and they suffer relapses. I am sure the same thing happens in the UK and other nations. Unfortunately, the majority of Police personnel are also untrained in how to deal with such people, and we see this kind of problem far too often.

These officers were ill-prepared to deal with this guy, and should have been able to fall back and call in more appropriate resources. Instead, they felt driven to bring closure to the situation by any means at their immediate disposal, which meant either the guy surrender, or they subdue him by force.