Watching the news today and the revelation that the killer ran toward an armed police officer hoping to be killed, only to be wounded, taken to hospital and given the best of care........made me think.
What an ironic form of sweet justice, to save the life of somebody intent on maryterdom, and then to jail them until the passage of time gives them the wisdom to see the error of their ways, when they regret the crime and plead for mercy, keep them detained until they die.
Much more cruel than a swift death sentence.
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You didn't supply a link to this story, but as presented really doesn't matter.
Bruv;1442446 wrote: Watching the news today and the revelation that the killer ran toward an armed police officer hoping to be killed, only to be wounded, taken to hospital and given the best of care........made me think.
What an ironic form of sweet justice, to save the life of somebody intent on maryterdom, and then to jail them until the passage of time gives them the wisdom to see the error of their ways, when they regret the crime and plead for mercy, keep them detained until they die.
Much more cruel than a swift death sentence.
I bold the word maryterdom because I did not know if that had anything to do with what I perceive your point is.
First of all I am totally in favor of capital punishment for anybody who commits the crime of murder. Without going into great detail, I am talking of the deliberate unlawful taking the life of another human.
Now, in the situation you present the person was not convicted of a murder.
OK, sitting here, I'm wondering if maybe you're scenario would be better suited to some case where the murderer sat many years before receiving justice.
It is chronic in the US, endless delays in execution. That is an example of justice delayed is justice denied.
Considering the hundreds of murderers sitting behind bars awaiting execution, not many are stepping up to the needle.
Bruv;1442446 wrote: Watching the news today and the revelation that the killer ran toward an armed police officer hoping to be killed, only to be wounded, taken to hospital and given the best of care........made me think.
What an ironic form of sweet justice, to save the life of somebody intent on maryterdom, and then to jail them until the passage of time gives them the wisdom to see the error of their ways, when they regret the crime and plead for mercy, keep them detained until they die.
Much more cruel than a swift death sentence.
I bold the word maryterdom because I did not know if that had anything to do with what I perceive your point is.
First of all I am totally in favor of capital punishment for anybody who commits the crime of murder. Without going into great detail, I am talking of the deliberate unlawful taking the life of another human.
Now, in the situation you present the person was not convicted of a murder.
OK, sitting here, I'm wondering if maybe you're scenario would be better suited to some case where the murderer sat many years before receiving justice.
It is chronic in the US, endless delays in execution. That is an example of justice delayed is justice denied.
Considering the hundreds of murderers sitting behind bars awaiting execution, not many are stepping up to the needle.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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For Tude's information the LINK
The trial is happening at the moment of two Muslim converts that killed a British soldier on a London street then waited for the police to arrive.
During the wait one was videod giving his reasons for committing the murder, it is him on the first video in the link that runs toward the police car, during the trial he said he had wanted to be shot dead.
My slant on it is that it is a far harsher punishment that the Police spared his life gave him first aid before getting him to hospital and saving his sorry life, so that he might bitterly regret the actions that put him on trial.
I am almost sorry I feel so happy his life has been spared so that he can spend years and years coming to terms with his barbarous crime.
I will go so far as to say I hope he dies in prison of old age.
I think execution would give him exactly what he sought, martyrdom, so the punishment to fit the crime is condemned to a long life.
The trial is happening at the moment of two Muslim converts that killed a British soldier on a London street then waited for the police to arrive.
During the wait one was videod giving his reasons for committing the murder, it is him on the first video in the link that runs toward the police car, during the trial he said he had wanted to be shot dead.
My slant on it is that it is a far harsher punishment that the Police spared his life gave him first aid before getting him to hospital and saving his sorry life, so that he might bitterly regret the actions that put him on trial.
I am almost sorry I feel so happy his life has been spared so that he can spend years and years coming to terms with his barbarous crime.
I will go so far as to say I hope he dies in prison of old age.
I think execution would give him exactly what he sought, martyrdom, so the punishment to fit the crime is condemned to a long life.
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Bruv;1442446 wrote: Watching the news today and the revelation that the killer ran toward an armed police officer hoping to be killed, only to be wounded, taken to hospital and given the best of care........made me think.
What an ironic form of sweet justice, to save the life of somebody intent on maryterdom, and then to jail them until the passage of time gives them the wisdom to see the error of their ways, when they regret the crime and plead for mercy, keep them detained until they die.
Much more cruel than a swift death sentence.
Meanwhile the tax payer can keep them In prison for the rest of their days.
What an ironic form of sweet justice, to save the life of somebody intent on maryterdom, and then to jail them until the passage of time gives them the wisdom to see the error of their ways, when they regret the crime and plead for mercy, keep them detained until they die.
Much more cruel than a swift death sentence.
Meanwhile the tax payer can keep them In prison for the rest of their days.
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oscar;1442532 wrote: Meanwhile the tax payer can keep them In prison for the rest of their days.
I'll happily contribute in keeping them from their promised virgins
I'll happily contribute in keeping them from their promised virgins
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Snowfire;1442537 wrote: I'll happily contribute in keeping them from their promised virgins My Maiden Great Aunt was an 80 year old virgin with warts who smelt of pee....... he can have her.
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Snowfire;1442537 wrote: I'll happily contribute in keeping them from their promised virgins
oscar;1442539 wrote: My Maiden Great Aunt was an 80 year old virgin with warts who smelt of pee....... he can have her.
Suppose they misunderstood Mohammed.
He did not say 70 virgins, he said 70 year old virgin
oscar;1442539 wrote: My Maiden Great Aunt was an 80 year old virgin with warts who smelt of pee....... he can have her.
Suppose they misunderstood Mohammed.
He did not say 70 virgins, he said 70 year old virgin
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oscar;1442532 wrote: Meanwhile the tax payer can keep them In prison for the rest of their days.
A cheap price to pay
A cheap price to pay
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Bruv;1442556 wrote: A cheap price to pay
:-3
A matter of opinion/perspective?
The State of California houses over 400 inmates awaiting execution. It costs way more to execute them than just keep them for 'life'.
Once and execution is performed, I maintain justice is worth the price.
:-3
A matter of opinion/perspective?
The State of California houses over 400 inmates awaiting execution. It costs way more to execute them than just keep them for 'life'.
Once and execution is performed, I maintain justice is worth the price.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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tude dog;1442648 wrote: :-3
A matter of opinion/perspective?
The State of California houses over 400 inmates awaiting execution. It costs way more to execute them than just keep them for 'life'.
Once and execution is performed, I maintain justice is worth the price.
Are you telling me that to execute swiftly rather than the long drawn out system America uses, is more expensive than keeping someone alive for twenty plus years ?
I maintain justice cannot be served by extinquishing an existance..........under any circumstances.
My argument here is that NOT executing somebody that wants to be martyred is far more cruel than killing them.
A matter of opinion/perspective?
The State of California houses over 400 inmates awaiting execution. It costs way more to execute them than just keep them for 'life'.
Once and execution is performed, I maintain justice is worth the price.
Are you telling me that to execute swiftly rather than the long drawn out system America uses, is more expensive than keeping someone alive for twenty plus years ?
I maintain justice cannot be served by extinquishing an existance..........under any circumstances.
My argument here is that NOT executing somebody that wants to be martyred is far more cruel than killing them.
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Bruv;1442651 wrote: Are you telling me that to execute swiftly rather than the long drawn out system America uses, is more expensive than keeping someone alive for twenty plus years ?
Yes
Death Penalty Center
That appears a site against capital punishment and argue the costs.
So the argument goes from justice to cost.
Considering the inmates up for capital punishment are the most horrific, it is incredible to me not every effort isn't exercised to bring justice.
Yes
Death Penalty Center
That appears a site against capital punishment and argue the costs.
So the argument goes from justice to cost.
Considering the inmates up for capital punishment are the most horrific, it is incredible to me not every effort isn't exercised to bring justice.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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I think it is the American appeal procedure and the high cost of legal representation funded by the state (state meaning tax payers) that makes the system more expensive, not the act of execution alone.
The whole system appears to an outsider to be for the benefit of the legal profession, rather than the convicted person or justice.
The whole system appears to an outsider to be for the benefit of the legal profession, rather than the convicted person or justice.
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tude dog;1442653 wrote: Yes
Death Penalty Center
That appears a site against capital punishment and argue the costs.
So the argument goes from justice to cost.
Considering the inmates up for capital punishment are the most horrific, it is incredible to me not every effort isn't exercised to bring justice.
Pro-capital Punishment folks are always bringing up the cost of keeping capital criminals locked up, versus offing them.
If killing them is costlier, then that argument should be tossed out the window. And it comes down, simply, to whether killing them truly serves justice. It seems to me it only serves vengeance.
But then even vengeance is not truly served when we kill the wrong people.
Death Penalty Center
That appears a site against capital punishment and argue the costs.
So the argument goes from justice to cost.
Considering the inmates up for capital punishment are the most horrific, it is incredible to me not every effort isn't exercised to bring justice.
Pro-capital Punishment folks are always bringing up the cost of keeping capital criminals locked up, versus offing them.
If killing them is costlier, then that argument should be tossed out the window. And it comes down, simply, to whether killing them truly serves justice. It seems to me it only serves vengeance.
But then even vengeance is not truly served when we kill the wrong people.
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Bruv;1442657 wrote: I think it is the American appeal procedure and the high cost of legal representation funded by the state (state meaning tax payers) that makes the system more expensive, not the act of execution alone.
The whole system appears to an outsider to be for the benefit of the legal profession, rather than the convicted person or justice.
You are correct, it is the appeals which prolongs justice.
Not clear on this, but as any murderer comes close to execution, there are plenty of anti-capital punishment folk more than willing to throw big bucks to deny justice.
The whole system appears to an outsider to be for the benefit of the legal profession, rather than the convicted person or justice.
You are correct, it is the appeals which prolongs justice.
Not clear on this, but as any murderer comes close to execution, there are plenty of anti-capital punishment folk more than willing to throw big bucks to deny justice.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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tude dog;1442664 wrote: You are correct, it is the appeals which prolongs justice.
'Justice' cannot be prolonged...............else it aint justice............it is inhumane treatment.
'Justice' cannot be prolonged...............else it aint justice............it is inhumane treatment.
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Bruv;1442651 wrote:
My argument here is that NOT executing somebody that wants to be martyred is far more cruel than killing them.
That's not strictly true In the case of these two. In the rant Michael Adebolajo made to the camera phone after killing Lee Rigby, he talked of British soldiers commiting rape and murder In his country and Afghan saying It was an eye for an eye. I can't find anything that reports he talked of martyrdom.
My argument here is that NOT executing somebody that wants to be martyred is far more cruel than killing them.
That's not strictly true In the case of these two. In the rant Michael Adebolajo made to the camera phone after killing Lee Rigby, he talked of British soldiers commiting rape and murder In his country and Afghan saying It was an eye for an eye. I can't find anything that reports he talked of martyrdom.
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He said he was "almost certain" he would be shot and killed by the firearms officers who arrived at the scene of the attack in Woolwich.
Last week, CCTV footage of him running towards the police car with a meat cleaver raised was shown to the court.
He complained on Monday that the officers had not shot him in the head but said he had no grievance with them, because they were "just doing their duty".
He said he should be ransomed back to other jihadi fighters, set free or killed if he was found guilty.
The video showing how he ran at the police car as it arrived.
Last week, CCTV footage of him running towards the police car with a meat cleaver raised was shown to the court.
He complained on Monday that the officers had not shot him in the head but said he had no grievance with them, because they were "just doing their duty".
He said he should be ransomed back to other jihadi fighters, set free or killed if he was found guilty.
The video showing how he ran at the police car as it arrived.
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Bruv;1442693 wrote: He said he was "almost certain" he would be shot and killed by the firearms officers who arrived at the scene of the attack in Woolwich.
Last week, CCTV footage of him running towards the police car with a meat cleaver raised was shown to the court.
He complained on Monday that the officers had not shot him in the head but said he had no grievance with them, because they were "just doing their duty".
He said he should be ransomed back to other jihadi fighters, set free or killed if he was found guilty.
The video showing how he ran at the police car as it arrived.
Yes but was he doing that for
martyrdom or because he didn't want a life sentence?
Last week, CCTV footage of him running towards the police car with a meat cleaver raised was shown to the court.
He complained on Monday that the officers had not shot him in the head but said he had no grievance with them, because they were "just doing their duty".
He said he should be ransomed back to other jihadi fighters, set free or killed if he was found guilty.
The video showing how he ran at the police car as it arrived.
Yes but was he doing that for
martyrdom or because he didn't want a life sentence?
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oscar;1442705 wrote: Yes but was he doing that for
martyrdom or because he didn't want a life sentence?
Martyrdom is a reasonable assumption given he is an Islamic fundamentalist, even if it hasn't been implicitly stated. It's a common belief amongst those with extremist leanings.In fact it was reported in the papers that he wished to become a martyr.
The 28-year-old claimed he was prepared to be shot dead by armed police to become a martyr and enter paradise.
Michael Adebolajo: 'I killed Lee Rigby because I am a soldier… of Allah' | Metro News
Therefore I agree with Bruv. Its rather Ironic that the justice served to him will not include a trip to paradise, whether that includes a visit to your maiden aunt or not
martyrdom or because he didn't want a life sentence?
Martyrdom is a reasonable assumption given he is an Islamic fundamentalist, even if it hasn't been implicitly stated. It's a common belief amongst those with extremist leanings.In fact it was reported in the papers that he wished to become a martyr.
The 28-year-old claimed he was prepared to be shot dead by armed police to become a martyr and enter paradise.
Michael Adebolajo: 'I killed Lee Rigby because I am a soldier… of Allah' | Metro News
Therefore I agree with Bruv. Its rather Ironic that the justice served to him will not include a trip to paradise, whether that includes a visit to your maiden aunt or not
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oscar;1442705 wrote: Yes but was he doing that for
martyrdom or because he didn't want a life sentence?
What about the third option ?
He was a nutter.
martyrdom or because he didn't want a life sentence?
What about the third option ?
He was a nutter.
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Bruv;1442693 wrote: He said he was "almost certain" he would be shot and killed by the firearms officers who arrived at the scene of the attack in Woolwich.
Last week, CCTV footage of him running towards the police car with a meat cleaver raised was shown to the court.
He complained on Monday that the officers had not shot him in the head but said he had no grievance with them, because they were "just doing their duty".
He said he should be ransomed back to other jihadi fighters, set free or killed if he was found guilty.
The video showing how he ran at the police car as it arrived.
I love it when people go on and on about what should happen to them in countries where they know it's not going to happen.
Last week, CCTV footage of him running towards the police car with a meat cleaver raised was shown to the court.
He complained on Monday that the officers had not shot him in the head but said he had no grievance with them, because they were "just doing their duty".
He said he should be ransomed back to other jihadi fighters, set free or killed if he was found guilty.
The video showing how he ran at the police car as it arrived.
I love it when people go on and on about what should happen to them in countries where they know it's not going to happen.
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Bruv;1442686 wrote: 'Justice' cannot be prolonged...............else it aint justice............it is inhumane treatment.
When it comes to murder, there is no justice until the murderer is executed, no matter how long it takes.
Just say'n.
When it comes to murder, there is no justice until the murderer is executed, no matter how long it takes.
Just say'n.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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tude dog;1442729 wrote: When it comes to murder, there is no justice until the murderer is executed, no matter how long it takes.
Just say'n.
You can 'Just say'n' as much as you like..............don't make it right.
Just say'n.
You can 'Just say'n' as much as you like..............don't make it right.
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Bruv;1442735 wrote: You can 'Just say'n' as much as you like..............don't make it right.
How many rich people on death row? Do they ever have those kind of statistics? We know how many poor people and intellectually handicapped people on death row ...but how many rich people?
How many rich people on death row? Do they ever have those kind of statistics? We know how many poor people and intellectually handicapped people on death row ...but how many rich people?
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fuzzywuzzy;1442784 wrote: How many rich people on death row? Do they ever have those kind of statistics? We know how many poor people and intellectually handicapped people on death row ...but how many rich people?
What's up? Ya got something against rich people?
It is no secret that money buys access to better representation at every level of the justice system.
What's up? Ya got something against rich people?
It is no secret that money buys access to better representation at every level of the justice system.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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tude dog;1442729 wrote: When it comes to murder, there is no justice until the murderer is executed, no matter how long it takes.
Just say'n.
There is no justice. Only vengeance.
Just say'n.
There is no justice. Only vengeance.
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tude dog;1442809 wrote: What's up? Ya got something against rich people?
It is no secret that money buys access to better representation at every level of the justice system.
Nothing against them as such .........I just thought American justice was blind?.......Everyone equal and all that?......
Then how can you talk any expression of justice.?
It is no secret that money buys access to better representation at every level of the justice system.
Nothing against them as such .........I just thought American justice was blind?.......Everyone equal and all that?......
Then how can you talk any expression of justice.?
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LarsMac;1442811 wrote: There is no justice. Only vengeance.
I have no problem with vengeance, works for me.
When vengeance equals justice, I would say that is an event to celebrate.
I have no problem with vengeance, works for me.
When vengeance equals justice, I would say that is an event to celebrate.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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fuzzywuzzy;1442815 wrote: Nothing against them as such .........I just thought American justice was blind?.......Everyone equal and all that?......
Then how can you talk any expression of justice.?
Justice is an ideal.
Then how can you talk any expression of justice.?
Justice is an ideal.
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She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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tude dog;1442833 wrote: Justice is an ideal.
The more money the better the deal ?
The more money the better the deal ?
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Bruv;1442837 wrote: The more money the better the deal ?
Woah he's on fire today!!!! :wah:
that was quite clever.
Woah he's on fire today!!!! :wah:
that was quite clever.
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tude dog;1442833 wrote: Justice is an ideal.
ideal
ʌɪˈdɪəl,ʌɪˈdiËÉ™l/
adjective
adjective: ideal
1.
satisfying one's conception of what is perfect; most suitable.
"the swimming pool is ideal for a quick dip"
synonyms: perfect, best possible, consummate, supreme, absolute, complete, copybook, flawless, faultless, without fault, exemplary, classic, archetypal, model, ultimate, quintessential More
"it was ideal flying weather"
antonyms: bad
2.
existing only in the imagination; desirable or perfect but not likely to become a reality.
"in an ideal world, we might have made a different decision"
synonyms: unattainable, unachievable, impracticable, unworkable, unfeasible; More
unreal, fictitious, hypothetical, theoretical, ivory-towered, imaginary, idealized, utopian, romantic, quixotic, visionary, fanciful, fairy-tale
"the film-makers portray an ideal world"
antonyms: attainable, real
representing an abstract or hypothetical optimum.
"mathematical modelling can determine theoretically ideal conditions"
synonyms: abstract, theoretical, conceptual, notional, intellectual, metaphysical, philosophical, academic; More
hypothetical, speculative, conjectural, conjectured, suppositional, putative;
raresuppositious, suppositive, ideational
"a unified European culture remained as an ideal concept that inspired future kings and emperors"
antonyms: concrete
noun
noun: ideal; plural noun: ideals
1.
a person or thing regarded as perfect.
"you're my ideal of how a man should be"
synonyms: perfection, paragon, epitome, ne plus ultra, beau idéal, nonpareil, crème de la crème, the last word, the ultimate, a dream; More
informalone in a million, the tops, the best/greatest thing since sliced bread, the bee's knees;
archaica nonesuch
"she endeavoured to be what she imagined was his ideal"
a standard or principle to be aimed at.
"tolerance and freedom, the liberal ideals"
synonyms: model, pattern, exemplar, example, paradigm, archetype, prototype, criterion, yardstick More
"an ideal to aim at"
principle, standard, rule of living, moral value, belief, conviction, persuasion;
morals, morality, ethics, code of behaviour, code of honour, ideology, creed;
integrity, uprightness, high-mindedness, righteousness, virtue, probity, rectitude, sense of honour, honour, decency, conscience, sense of duty, scruples
"the service of others is the highest ideal"
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And so therefore you are happy to fall short of the concept of Justice? Because you personally see it as unobtainable. Why then have a police force? Why then have judges and lawman if justice is only an Ideal?
I think what you really mean is .....Call it an ideal and it will excuse corruption of those institutions?
Well then ...bring on the anarchy!!!!
ideal
ʌɪˈdɪəl,ʌɪˈdiËÉ™l/
adjective
adjective: ideal
1.
satisfying one's conception of what is perfect; most suitable.
"the swimming pool is ideal for a quick dip"
synonyms: perfect, best possible, consummate, supreme, absolute, complete, copybook, flawless, faultless, without fault, exemplary, classic, archetypal, model, ultimate, quintessential More
"it was ideal flying weather"
antonyms: bad
2.
existing only in the imagination; desirable or perfect but not likely to become a reality.
"in an ideal world, we might have made a different decision"
synonyms: unattainable, unachievable, impracticable, unworkable, unfeasible; More
unreal, fictitious, hypothetical, theoretical, ivory-towered, imaginary, idealized, utopian, romantic, quixotic, visionary, fanciful, fairy-tale
"the film-makers portray an ideal world"
antonyms: attainable, real
representing an abstract or hypothetical optimum.
"mathematical modelling can determine theoretically ideal conditions"
synonyms: abstract, theoretical, conceptual, notional, intellectual, metaphysical, philosophical, academic; More
hypothetical, speculative, conjectural, conjectured, suppositional, putative;
raresuppositious, suppositive, ideational
"a unified European culture remained as an ideal concept that inspired future kings and emperors"
antonyms: concrete
noun
noun: ideal; plural noun: ideals
1.
a person or thing regarded as perfect.
"you're my ideal of how a man should be"
synonyms: perfection, paragon, epitome, ne plus ultra, beau idéal, nonpareil, crème de la crème, the last word, the ultimate, a dream; More
informalone in a million, the tops, the best/greatest thing since sliced bread, the bee's knees;
archaica nonesuch
"she endeavoured to be what she imagined was his ideal"
a standard or principle to be aimed at.
"tolerance and freedom, the liberal ideals"
synonyms: model, pattern, exemplar, example, paradigm, archetype, prototype, criterion, yardstick More
"an ideal to aim at"
principle, standard, rule of living, moral value, belief, conviction, persuasion;
morals, morality, ethics, code of behaviour, code of honour, ideology, creed;
integrity, uprightness, high-mindedness, righteousness, virtue, probity, rectitude, sense of honour, honour, decency, conscience, sense of duty, scruples
"the service of others is the highest ideal"
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And so therefore you are happy to fall short of the concept of Justice? Because you personally see it as unobtainable. Why then have a police force? Why then have judges and lawman if justice is only an Ideal?
I think what you really mean is .....Call it an ideal and it will excuse corruption of those institutions?
Well then ...bring on the anarchy!!!!
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fuzzywuzzy;1442844 wrote: And so therefore you are happy to fall short of the concept of Justice? Because you personally see it as unobtainable. Why then have a police force? Why then have judges and lawman if justice is only an Ideal?
I think what you really mean is .....Call it an ideal and it will excuse corruption of those institutions?
Well then ...bring on the anarchy!!!!
I am not happy that perfect justice is impossible to obtain, just realistic. I have no idea of how many posts here I commented on crime, which is an interest of mine.
I am PO'd every time some perp gets away. Even worse is having to read when some innocent spends time behind bars. Almost as bad is when one has to go bankrupt defending against a false charge.
These are things nobody can be certain to defend against.
It doesn't help when in this country the head of the The United States Department of Justice, Eric Holder is more about politics than justice.
I think what you really mean is .....Call it an ideal and it will excuse corruption of those institutions?
Well then ...bring on the anarchy!!!!
I am not happy that perfect justice is impossible to obtain, just realistic. I have no idea of how many posts here I commented on crime, which is an interest of mine.
I am PO'd every time some perp gets away. Even worse is having to read when some innocent spends time behind bars. Almost as bad is when one has to go bankrupt defending against a false charge.
These are things nobody can be certain to defend against.
It doesn't help when in this country the head of the The United States Department of Justice, Eric Holder is more about politics than justice.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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tude dog;1442862 wrote:
It doesn't help when in this country the head of the The United States Department of Justice, Eric Holder is more about politics than justice.
Is ole Eric a black man ?
Just asking........................
It doesn't help when in this country the head of the The United States Department of Justice, Eric Holder is more about politics than justice.
Is ole Eric a black man ?
Just asking........................
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1442872 wrote: Is ole Eric a black man ?
Just asking........................
You could have looked that up yourself, but I am in a good mood and happy to be of help.
Eric Himpton Holder, Jr. (born January 21, 1951) is the 82nd Attorney General of the United States, in office since 2009. Holder, serving in the administration of President Barack Obama, is the first African American to hold the position of U.S. Attorney General.[1]
Just asking........................
You could have looked that up yourself, but I am in a good mood and happy to be of help.
Eric Himpton Holder, Jr. (born January 21, 1951) is the 82nd Attorney General of the United States, in office since 2009. Holder, serving in the administration of President Barack Obama, is the first African American to hold the position of U.S. Attorney General.[1]
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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I knew already..........
And a human being must be 'on the job' 24/7 without any views or utterances outside his work place?
So American justice has all gone wrong since 09 ?
And a human being must be 'on the job' 24/7 without any views or utterances outside his work place?
So American justice has all gone wrong since 09 ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1442876 wrote: I knew already..........
OK, I don't get it, but whatever.
Bruv;1442876 wrote: And a human being must be 'on the job' 24/7 without any views or utterances outside his work place?
:-5
uH, yea well yea. When it comes to the highest federal politically appointed law enforcement official in the USA.
I expect nothing less.
Bruv;1442876 wrote: So American justice has all gone wrong since 09 ?
On the federal level, under Holder, ,
So far it is fortunate our local sheriffs have the power to tell the Feds to F' off.
OK, I don't get it, but whatever.
Bruv;1442876 wrote: And a human being must be 'on the job' 24/7 without any views or utterances outside his work place?
:-5
uH, yea well yea. When it comes to the highest federal politically appointed law enforcement official in the USA.
I expect nothing less.
Bruv;1442876 wrote: So American justice has all gone wrong since 09 ?
On the federal level, under Holder, ,
So far it is fortunate our local sheriffs have the power to tell the Feds to F' off.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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You are not obsessive are you ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Sweet Justice?.......Rigby murder
Both found gulity of murder of Lee Rigby, not guilty of attempted murder of the police officer.
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Bruv;1442923 wrote: Both found gulity of murder of Lee Rigby, not guilty of attempted murder of the police officer.
Life without parole I'd assume.
Life without parole I'd assume.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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Just long enough for them to regret the error of their ways.............and then some more, is good enough for me.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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A British Muslim has pleaded guilty to posting videos on YouTube glorifying the killing of Fusilier Lee Rigby.
Royal Barnes, 23, of Hackney, east London, recorded and uploaded three videos shortly after the murder in Woolwich, south-east London, last May.
In one of the videos, he hailed the murder as a "brilliant day" and in another he mocked the outpouring of public grief, the Old Bailey heard.
Is this a crime ?
Well obviously it is.....................but should it be?
I am amused by this young man's name.......Royal ? Is that right ?
If I was so happy to celebrate this murder, I would at least change my name first.
Royal Barnes, 23, of Hackney, east London, recorded and uploaded three videos shortly after the murder in Woolwich, south-east London, last May.
In one of the videos, he hailed the murder as a "brilliant day" and in another he mocked the outpouring of public grief, the Old Bailey heard.
Is this a crime ?
Well obviously it is.....................but should it be?
I am amused by this young man's name.......Royal ? Is that right ?
If I was so happy to celebrate this murder, I would at least change my name first.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Sweet Justice?.......Rigby murder
Bruv;1447994 wrote: A British Muslim has pleaded guilty to posting videos on YouTube glorifying the killing of Fusilier Lee Rigby.
Royal Barnes, 23, of Hackney, east London, recorded and uploaded three videos shortly after the murder in Woolwich, south-east London, last May.
In one of the videos, he hailed the murder as a "brilliant day" and in another he mocked the outpouring of public grief, the Old Bailey heard.
Is this a crime ?
Well obviously it is.....................but should it be?
I am amused by this young man's name.......Royal ? Is that right ?
If I was so happy to celebrate this murder, I would at least change my name first.
If nothing else it's incitement to violence - if this violence makes today a "brilliant day" then we need more violence of this type to make other days "brilliant".
Royal Barnes, 23, of Hackney, east London, recorded and uploaded three videos shortly after the murder in Woolwich, south-east London, last May.
In one of the videos, he hailed the murder as a "brilliant day" and in another he mocked the outpouring of public grief, the Old Bailey heard.
Is this a crime ?
Well obviously it is.....................but should it be?
I am amused by this young man's name.......Royal ? Is that right ?
If I was so happy to celebrate this murder, I would at least change my name first.
If nothing else it's incitement to violence - if this violence makes today a "brilliant day" then we need more violence of this type to make other days "brilliant".