New Mums to be bribed with vouchers to breast feed.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:04 am

Mothers to get a Â£200 incentive to breastfeed... in Poundstretcher vouchers: Critics claim scheme is form of bribery | Mail Online

Surely, this Is a woman's Individual choice and the state should just mind their own damn business.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:32 am

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Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:41 am

oscar;1440163 wrote: Surely, this Is a woman's Individual choice and the state should just mind their own damn business.

The woman can choose to accept the 'bribe' or not...... her choice......her business.

The benefits will far out weigh the 'bribe' in healthier babies, infants and adults as a result, cutting potential health spending from public funds later in life.

I personally believe a lot of todays ailments are due to stuffing our babes with man made formulas, because it suits our lifestyles, and sod the kids well being.....but thats just me, I can't breast feed...........can I have an opinion ?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:00 am

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Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:27 am

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Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:27 am

Bruv;1440168 wrote: The woman can choose to accept the 'bribe' or not...... her choice......her business.

The benefits will far out weigh the 'bribe' in healthier babies, infants and adults as a result, cutting potential health spending from public funds later in life.

I personally believe a lot of todays ailments are due to stuffing our babes with man made formulas, because it suits our lifestyles, and sod the kids well being.....but thats just me, I can't breast feed...........can I have an opinion ?

Breast milk is NOT better than baby formula, scientists claim | Mail Online

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:33 am

Interesting.... just logged onto facebook and my own niece who has just had a baby has this to say:

Lucette Baker

No amount of vouchers could get me to breast feed yuck!!!! I can't do it any way but just seems a waste of money to me shouldn't we put this money towards better things like some children's hospice that can't get government funding coz supposedly there isn't the money for them!or a meals on wheels service for the elderly that has proper food not slop . I had a woman come round four times after having Leyla trying to push me into it she even checked my notes to see If I defiantly couldn't feed her ! No wonder people don't do it u just wanna tell them to f**k off!! X

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Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:13 am

What a load of testes......

What would you expect the blooming so called scientists to say ?

I have never known so many kids to be hyper-active, or have allergies against different foods, pollens etc.

I wouldn't force anyone to do anything they thought was 'yucky' I would question what made them think breast feeding was 'yucky' though.

Those things are not for decorating page three, they deliver a natural balanced formula devised by thousands of years evolution.

Besides the health there are phsycological reasons, a feeding baby should snuggle into their mother's body, not be passed around with a glass bottle fitted with a simulated nipple made of god knows what..........

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:30 am

Bruv;1440190 wrote: What a load of testes......

What would you expect the blooming so called scientists to say ?

I have never known so many kids to be hyper-active, or have allergies against different foods, pollens etc.

I wouldn't force anyone to do anything they thought was 'yucky' I would question what made them think breast feeding was 'yucky' though.

Those things are not for decorating page three, they deliver a natural balanced formula devised by thousands of years evolution.

Besides the health there are phsycological reasons, a feeding baby should snuggle into their mother's body, not be passed around with a glass bottle fitted with a simulated nipple made of god knows what..........

No Bruv. That's your opinion.

If It's not opinion, then show us some evidence that formula creates hyperactivity and allergies.

Now I'll tell you why that's bollocks.

In 2010, 81 % of mothers Initially breast fed their babies. I heard on Radio 4 today, that In the UK today, 91 % of mothers breast feed.

So where are all these " so many kids to be hyper-active, or have allergies against different foods, pollens etc " then ?

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 35853.html

The allergies come later. Of course you may have some evidence to show different as you're claiming Formula milk creates all these allergies and hyperactivity.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:34 pm

I would dispute the figures, 81% of mothers initially breast feed at birth,what does that mean? 81% try I imagine, but due to it being seen as yucky, persevere a couple of hours before giving up.

OK then...........given the choice, would you seperate your Fox cubs from their mother and bottle feed the buggers with a man made concoction dripped through rubberised plastic teats, or leave it to nature ?

If it's good enough for them it's good enough for humankind.

Post by **Chloe_88** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:30 pm

I don't like children and I never intend to have any but.. i'd say; mother nature put them there for a reason, why not use them!

Then again, that every woman's own choice, and what they feel is best/comfortable/possible.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:58 pm

Bruv;1440175 wrote: You what ?

oscar;1440176 wrote:

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Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:22 am

Bruv;1440202 wrote: I would dispute the figures, 81% of mothers initially breast feed at birth,what does that mean? 81% try I imagine, but due to it being seen as yucky, persevere a couple of hours before giving up.

OK then...........given the choice, would you seperate your Fox cubs from their mother and bottle feed the buggers with a man made concoction dripped through rubberised plastic teats, or leave it to nature ?

If it's good enough for them it's good enough for humankind.

I actually find you rather offensive.

I don't dispute the figures... they are formed Into a data base from midwives.

So, are you saying that the odd 9 % are just down right lazy?

So you believe that In the middle of the night, a woman would rather get out of bed, go down to a cold kitchen, boil water, mix a formula, wait for It to cool and go back upstairs to feed her baby when she could just put the baby to her breast?

So you then think spending hours sterilising bottles and teats Is out of laziness?

There are many reasons why some women can not breast feed. Many as In my link, do not produce enough milk to fully feed their baby. So you think that baby should grow under-nourished and puny, open to Infection just because you think It's a cop out to opt for formula?

Other women may suffer extreme discomfort and pain. Some women are on medication that rules out breast feeding. Some women like my niece may just not feel comfortable breast feeding. Who are you to judge them?

You are living In the dark ages and frankly, your attitude appals me.

When you just can't breastfeed | BabyCenter

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:18 am

oscar;1440250 wrote: I actually find you rather offensive.
Sorry about that, doesn't alter my strongly held opinion though

I don't dispute the figures... they are formed Into a data base from midwives.

So, are you saying that the odd 9 % are just down right lazy?

So you believe that In the middle of the night, a woman would rather get out of bed, go down to a cold kitchen, boil water, mix a formula, wait for It to cool and go back upstairs to feed her baby when she could just put the baby to her breast?

So you then think spending hours sterilising bottles and teats Is out of laziness?
Who mentioned laziness?

My take on the statistics is that most mothers tell their midwives they would prefer to breast feed, but due to setbacks of various kinds don't continue with it.

There are many reasons why some women can not breast feed. Many as In my link, do not produce enough milk to fully feed their baby. So you think that baby should grow under-nourished and puny, open to Infection just because you think It's a cop out to opt for formula?Many of the the reasons are surmountable, supplementing the mothers milk rather than replacing it,supply is low when starting to feed, suckling stimulates production

Other women may suffer extreme discomfort and pain. Some women are on medication that rules out breast feeding. Some women like my niece may just not feel comfortable breast feeding. Who are you to judge them?

You are living In the dark ages and frankly, your attitude appals me.

If any woman is unable to feed her child after trying her best then so be it.

The default now is formula first or a rapidly introduced second, the reasons are social and cultural.

A breast feeding mother causes sniggering, she often makes the news for differing reasons, feeding in inappropriate situations or causing embarrassment.......and you think MY attitude appalling ?

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:00 am

oscar;1440178 wrote: Interesting.... just logged onto facebook and my own niece who has just had a baby has this to say:

Lucette Baker

No amount of vouchers could get me to breast feed yuck!!!! I can't do it any way but just seems a waste of money to me shouldn't we put this money towards better things like some children's hospice that can't get government funding coz supposedly there isn't the money for them!or a meals on wheels service for the elderly that has proper food not slop . I had a woman come round four times after having Leyla trying to push me into it she even checked my notes to see If I defiantly couldn't feed her ! No wonder people don't do it u just wanna tell them to f**k off!! X

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I've never heard of a yuck factor from anyone before, especially a woman. It seems over here a lot of women don't want the inconvenience of breast feeding. It keeps them from leaving the baby with others to do what they either want to do or need to do, whether it be working or playing. My wife breast fed as long as she could and sometimes it was a pain to pump and store for the sitter but we think it was worth it. I do understand that some simply can't, in that case you must always do what is best for the baby.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:30 am

YZGI;1440265 wrote: I've never heard of a yuck factor from anyone before, especially a woman. It seems over here a lot of women don't want the inconvenience of breast feeding. It keeps them from leaving the baby with others to do what they either want to do or need to do, whether it be working or playing. My wife breast fed as long as she could and sometimes it was a pain to pump and store for the sitter but we think it was worth it. I do understand that some simply can't, in that case you must always do what is best for the baby.

My niece Is a young new mum. Given her age, the word ' Yuck' can cover a multitude of other meanings. The ' Yuck' means the cracked and sore nipples, leakage and severe discomfort.

It's not the ' Inconvenience' of breast feeding. The Inconvenience Is the Formula.

Especially as In the case of my niece, a young family on a tight budget, for one, women don't opt to spend hundreds of Â£'s a year on bottles, teats and formula just because they can't be bothered to breast feed.

As for the embaressment of breast feeding In public, women are met with equal hostility when asking cafe's etc for bottle warming facilities when out.

When going out, It's more Inconvenience to prepare bottles In advance along with keeping them clean than It Is just putting a baby to the breast,

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:46 pm

Oh effing great.............telling women what is good for them again. Telling them what to do. Trying to control them . Making mothers feel guilty over another thing.

This insentive has been discussed on our radio and tv progammes. A specialist on breast feeding, said it was the worst idea EVER!!! I'll try to find the podcast.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:02 pm

Bruv;1440252 wrote: Sorry about that, doesn't alter my strongly held opinion though

Who mentioned laziness?

My take on the statistics is that most mothers tell their midwives they would prefer to breast feed, but due to setbacks of various kinds don't continue with it.Many of the the reasons are surmountable, supplementing the mothers milk rather than replacing it,supply is low when starting to feed, suckling stimulates production

If any woman is unable to feed her child after trying her best then so be it.

The default now is formula first or a rapidly introduced second, the reasons are social and cultural.

A breast feeding mother causes sniggering, she often makes the news for differing reasons, feeding in inappropriate situations or causing embarrassment.......and you think MY attitude appalling ?

Love it when a man has an opinion on breastfeeding ................their points are mute. Who are you to dictate what a woman anywhere in the world should do with their bodies or their babies based on you're own experience? How effing arrogant.

Another specialist on the matter also said that women shouldn't be given money but the funds should go into helping women in their homes after leaving hospital, supporting women in their hour of need.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:13 pm

GGGGRRRRRRRR!!!!!! The success rate for breastfeeding is around 25% That means that women who begin breastfeeding have a quarter of a chance in succeeding .....this has always been the case. It's why in the old days there were "wet nurses" it's why in the 40's mother foundations had a recipie to make a form of formula so women could feed their babies.

Only arrogance would have some bloke tell us what to do and how to do it.

I had volumes upon volumes of milk. Very healthy body and my breasts began at my shoulders. ................not one effing ounce of it was any good. Went straight onto formula and my boys became healthy fat little things that are still healthy today.

All these bullshit notions that breastfeeding is the be all end all needs to have a bit of a look at history .

But then again why would an arrogant son of .......... want to look up female history eh?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:32 pm

Well if nothing else........I have united Fuzzy and Oscar.

Don't think I ever insisted women should breast feed, my own wife and three daughters didn't.

What I have tried to say is that there is a resistance to the idea of breast feeding, that breast feeding is the ideal and should be encouraged.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:33 pm

Bruv;1440831 wrote: Well if nothing else........I have united Fuzzy and Oscar.

Don't think I ever insisted women should breast feed, my own wife and three daughters didn't.

What I have tried to say is that there is a resistance to the idea of breast feeding, that breast feeding is the ideal and should be encouraged.

And you won't mind my niece telling you exactly what to do with your prostate gland ?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:50 pm

oscar;1440833 wrote: And you won't mind my niece telling you exactly what to do with your prostate gland ?

She can tell me anything she likes................as long as she doesn't want me to suckle babies with it.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:02 pm

The money needs to go into midwives on wards having time to actually help a woman who wants to breastfeed.

Two hours I was left with a screaming baby that I couldn't get to latch on, when someone did come they'd help you get latched on then dash off to see to someone else, minutes later baby would drop off again leaving you pushing the button and waiting again.

Two years ago you were not encouraged to stay in hospital until the baby was feeding well, normal birth you were shipped out the same day, ceasarian section mothers had three days and then it was out you go, no matter HOW you felt.

Eleven years ago you were encouraged not to rush home and were more than welcome to stay if you wanted to get breastfeeding established.

Sixteen years ago with a baby in SCBU I was allowed to stay in the hospital as long as I liked and had a lot of help and support with expressing milk and then with attempting to get the baby latched on when he was strong enough.

It's not easy to breastfeed for all women, large breasts are a nightmare to get a baby to latch on to for a start and if you don't have long pointy nipples you're at a disadvantage too. Then there is the baby to consider, some just seem like they can't be bothered to work out what to do, others latch on without any problem at all.

My sister breast fed her three eldest with no problems, it was natural to her but the fourth baby was a nightmare getting him to latch on and he almost ended up on bottles, but she persevered with no support and health visitors threatening to hospitalise the baby if he didn't gain weight soon.

Then there is also the fact that some women absolutely adore breastfeeding and how it feels for them, others don't enjoy it at all, for some it's a weird uncomfortable feeling where you just can't relax and whilst we don't want to feel like that, sadly it is the reality.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:14 pm

Betty Boop;1440854 wrote:

Then there is also the fact that some women absolutely adore breastfeeding and how it feels for them, others don't enjoy it at all, for some it's a weird uncomfortable feeling where you just can't relax and whilst we don't want to feel like that, sadly it is the reality. Thanks for that... that's exactly how my young niece feels...no-one should be able to judge any woman.

theia · Post by **theia** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:24 pm

Betty Boop;1440854 wrote: The money needs to go into midwives on wards having time to actually help a woman who wants to breastfeed.

Two hours I was left with a screaming baby that I couldn't get to latch on, when someone did come they'd help you get latched on then dash off to see to someone else, minutes later baby would drop off again leaving you pushing the button and waiting again.

Two years ago you were not encouraged to stay in hospital until the baby was feeding well, normal birth you were shipped out the same day, ceasarian section mothers had three days and then it was out you go, no matter HOW you felt.

Eleven years ago you were encouraged not to rush home and were more than welcome to stay if you wanted to get breastfeeding established.

Sixteen years ago with a baby in SCBU I was allowed to stay in the hospital as long as I liked and had a lot of help and support with expressing milk and then with attempting to get the baby latched on when he was strong enough.

It's not easy to breastfeed for all women, large breasts are a nightmare to get a baby to latch on to for a start and if you don't have long pointy nipples you're at a disadvantage too. Then there is the baby to consider, some just seem like they can't be bothered to work out what to do, others latch on without any problem at all.

My sister breast fed her three eldest with no problems, it was natural to her but the fourth baby was a nightmare getting him to latch on and he almost ended up on bottles, but she persevered with no support and health visitors threatening to hospitalise the baby if he didn't gain weight soon.

Then there is also the fact that some women absolutely adore breastfeeding and how it feels for them, others don't enjoy it at all, for some it's a weird uncomfortable feeling where you just can't relax and whilst we don't want to feel like that, sadly it is the reality.

The older I get the more I realise that things go in cycles, with hardly a thought for the individual, their abilities and their preferences.

In the late 60s we were encouraged to swaddle our babes. It then went out of fashion. I was surprised to see my granddaughter swaddling my great grandson...apparently it's back in vogue.

Who actually influences these cycles I wonder...

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:08 pm

theia;1440863 wrote: The older I get the more I realise that things go in cycles, with hardly a thought for the individual, their abilities and their preferences.

In the late 60s we were encouraged to swaddle our babes. It then went out of fashion. I was surprised to see my granddaughter swaddling my great grandson...apparently it's back in vogue.

Who actually influences these cycles I wonder...

Dickheads with nothing else better to do but moralize.

That swaddling thing though saved my life. When bringing me home from the hospital dad lost his grip on the handle of the carry bassenett and I rolled out down a few steps ..apparently it was quite entertaining for him lol

And yes it does explain a lot .

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:08 pm

& it was about 1990 when we were told to put baby to sleep on its back instead of tummy because of SIDS.

I'm bragging now, but: my son was able to flip from his tummy to his back within a few hours of life & kept doing it! He was the talk of the hospital!

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:09 pm

Bruv;1440841 wrote: She can tell me anything she likes................as long as she doesn't want me to suckle babies with it.

Okay that was even too grosse for me . Settle Petal.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:10 pm

Bruv;1440841 wrote: She can tell me anything she likes................as long as she doesn't want me to suckle babies with it.

Aren't there laws about that?

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:14 pm

AnneBoleyn;1440913 wrote: & it was about 1990 when we were told to put baby to sleep on its back instead of tummy because of SIDS.

I'm bragging now, but: my son was able to flip from his tummy to his back within a few hours of life & kept doing it! He was the talk of the hospital!

proper bragging rights are always due .

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:53 pm

Betty Boop;1440854 wrote: The money needs to go into midwives on wards having time to actually help a woman who wants to breastfeed.

Two hours I was left with a screaming baby that I couldn't get to latch on, when someone did come they'd help you get latched on then dash off to see to someone else, minutes later baby would drop off again leaving you pushing the button and waiting again.

Two years ago you were not encouraged to stay in hospital until the baby was feeding well, normal birth you were shipped out the same day, ceasarian section mothers had three days and then it was out you go, no matter HOW you felt.

Eleven years ago you were encouraged not to rush home and were more than welcome to stay if you wanted to get breastfeeding established.

Sixteen years ago with a baby in SCBU I was allowed to stay in the hospital as long as I liked and had a lot of help and support with expressing milk and then with attempting to get the baby latched on when he was strong enough.

It's not easy to breastfeed for all women, large breasts are a nightmare to get a baby to latch on to for a start and if you don't have long pointy nipples you're at a disadvantage too. Then there is the baby to consider, some just seem like they can't be bothered to work out what to do, others latch on without any problem at all.

My sister breast fed her three eldest with no problems, it was natural to her but the fourth baby was a nightmare getting him to latch on and he almost ended up on bottles, but she persevered with no support and health visitors threatening to hospitalise the baby if he didn't gain weight soon.

Then there is also the fact that some women absolutely adore breastfeeding and how it feels for them, others don't enjoy it at all, for some it's a weird uncomfortable feeling where you just can't relax and whilst we don't want to feel like that, sadly it is the reality.

That was almost a little erotic. Um thanks.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:17 pm

YZGI;1440940 wrote: That was almost a little erotic. Um thanks.

I've stayed away from this for quite a while to calm down.

Disappointed that a breastfeeding thread gets reduced to something that seems erotic. I'd kind of hoped that we'd passed the times when breasts are just all about sex, evidently not.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:26 pm

Betty Boop;1441492 wrote: I've stayed away from this for quite a while to calm down.

Disappointed that a breastfeeding thread gets reduced to something that seems erotic. I'd kind of hoped that we'd passed the times when breasts are just all about sex, evidently not.

Lighten up. Some of us like to joke around a bit. Sorry if I offended.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:44 pm

YZGI;1441495 wrote: Lighten up. Some of us like to joke around a bit. Sorry if I offended.

Apology accepted, I realise that most of the time you are joking around. Just don't think my upfront and honest post was an appropriate place. There are hundreds of women who feel just like me, they just don't get the wonderful feeling that other women feel whilst feeding our babies. It's something I would have given my hind teeth to change just so somehow I could feel a little bit like a natural earth mother.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:29 am

YZGI;1440940 wrote: That was almost a little erotic. Um thanks.

One of my girlfriends had a baby a year ago. She Is still breast feeding the little chap but for a year of her life, she has been In severe discomfort. She has also virtually been a prisoner In her own home because she Is so embarassed to go out due to producing huge amounts of milk that leaks. We are not talking about a little leakage but extreme pouring out of breast milk that soaks her clothes within an hour. She spends a huge amount of time expressing the excess as well as coping with cracked nipples and pain.

I'll tell her you find that a little erotic. She's likely to track you down and throw you under a bus.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:10 pm

oscar;1441568 wrote: One of my girlfriends had a baby a year ago. She Is still breast feeding the little chap but for a year of her life, she has been In severe discomfort. She has also virtually been a prisoner In her own home because she Is so embarassed to go out due to producing huge amounts of milk that leaks. We are not talking about a little leakage but extreme pouring out of breast milk that soaks her clothes within an hour. She spends a huge amount of time expressing the excess as well as coping with cracked nipples and pain.

I'll tell her you find that a little erotic. She's likely to track you down and throw you under a bus.

I have soundly beaten and cussed myself for my lack of empathy in the breast feeding field. I will never again be anything but distraught when I even think about breast feeding.