What is the world coming too?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:06 pm

There is SO much going on, and its going on everywhere around this globe. Just far too much stuff to even start a list. When you look at the world with a reasonable mind, its no wonder people believe in a God. Good grief, just look at the rampage and the turmoil, it has a way of drowning out the good that's out there.

What is the world coming to? What's it going to be like 100 years from now? Even 50 years from now?

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:43 pm

Socrates (469–399 B.C.)

QUOTATION: The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

I do nothing but go about persuading you all, old and young alike, not to take thought for your persons or your properties, but and chiefly to care about the greatest improvement of the soul. I tell you that virtue is not given by money, but that from virtue comes money and every other good of man, public as well as private. This is my teaching, and if this is the doctrine which corrupts the youth, I am a mischievous person.Socrates, quoted by Plato, 'The Death of Socrates'

Greek philosopher in Athens (469 BC - 399 BC)

Just saying........

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:33 pm

along-for-the-ride;1432609 wrote: Socrates (469–399 B.C.)

QUOTATION: The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

I do nothing but go about persuading you all, old and young alike, not to take thought for your persons or your properties, but and chiefly to care about the greatest improvement of the soul. I tell you that virtue is not given by money, but that from virtue comes money and every other good of man, public as well as private. This is my teaching, and if this is the doctrine which corrupts the youth, I am a mischievous person.Socrates, quoted by Plato, 'The Death of Socrates'

Greek philosopher in Athens (469 BC - 399 BC)

Just saying........

If he said that so long ago, then he was a great philosopher. Goodness, the man was right then, and still is right now. Interesting.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:58 am

Perhaps it's all a matter of perspective?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:01 am

Ahso!;1432636 wrote: Perhaps it's all a matter of perspective?

Well I think some of it is. There has to be a reason, in my view, for this world, the only other possible thing is no reason. So there it is, either we have a reason behind this world, or there is no reason to it.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:44 am

You got it in two, the second of your suggestions that is.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:06 pm

Well I personally see reason and purpose, the earth was obviously designed to suit humanity; taylor made for a human.

Post by **jones jones** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:12 pm

Mickiel;1432603 wrote: There is SO much going on, and its going on everywhere around this globe. Just far too much stuff to even start a list. When you look at the world with a reasonable mind, its no wonder people believe in a God. Good grief, just look at the rampage and the turmoil, it has a way of drowning out the good that's out there.

What is the world coming to? What's it going to be like 100 years from now? Even 50 years from now?

People been asking these questions since day one ... every generation asks them. If there was a god by now he would surely have answered.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:07 pm

Mickiel;1432663 wrote: Well I personally see reason and purpose, the earth was obviously designed to suit humanity; taylor made for a human.

Then you have YOUR answer............................move along please, no loitering here.

Scrat · Post by **Scrat** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:59 pm

I guess in 50 years the earths population will (?) be 9 billion. It's going to be tough to support that many people. I suspect there will be ongoing warfare for the next century and in there sometime a major war that could possibly set us back decades, population wise we may not go beyond 10 to 11 billion per my wife who does this stuff. There are some projections saying that if a major war or disaster were to happen we could possibly drop as low as 3.9 billion due to our inter-dependency of food and other necessities. It's a huge subject but I do not think the generation being born now will have near the life expectancy or opportunity we have had.

We're pretty ill prepared for our future, we only really have 2 hopes. Space technology or a very significant advance in science here.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:28 pm

Bruv;1432679 wrote: Then you have YOUR answer............................move along please, no loitering here.

How are you going to ask me to move along from my own thread. If you don't like what I am saying, you move along.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:30 pm

Scrat;1432696 wrote: I guess in 50 years the earths population will (?) be 9 billion. It's going to be tough to support that many people. I suspect there will be ongoing warfare for the next century and in there sometime a major war that could possibly set us back decades, population wise we may not go beyond 10 to 11 billion per my wife who does this stuff. There are some projections saying that if a major war or disaster were to happen we could possibly drop as low as 3.9 billion due to our inter-dependency of food and other necessities. It's a huge subject but I do not think the generation being born now will have near the life expectancy or opportunity we have had.

We're pretty ill prepared for our future, we only really have 2 hopes. Space technology or a very significant advance in science here.

Well I agree with all this, except there being only two real hopes; I view God as real, so I would say 3 hopes. Thats better than just two.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:32 pm

jones jones;1432675 wrote: People been asking these questions since day one ... every generation asks them. If there was a god by now he would surely have answered.

I disagree; I have made a study of God for over 40 years now; one of his definite ways is to remain silent toward humanity; I don't know why, but he just does not talk to humans. So him being silent is not evidence of him not being there; not in my view.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:19 pm

The world is growing increasingly inward and selfish, science is growing increasingly outward, and matter seems to be slowly devolving; all interesting dynamics, and spirituality seems to be growing wild in some places, dying slowly in others; what is the world coming to?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:45 am

Mickiel;1432697 wrote: How are you going to ask me to move along from my own thread. If you don't like what I am saying, you move along.

I am simply pointing out that YOU asked the question and YOU answered it.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:21 pm

Bruv;1432710 wrote: I am simply pointing out that YOU asked the question and YOU answered it.

So does that cancel out any one else answering the question? Does that make the thread null and void?

Post by **jones jones** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:43 am

Fortunately we now live in a world where diverse & different, sometimes even bizarre views, whilst not finding favour with the masses are nonetheless acceptable in terms of the right of all earthlings to express themselves.

This right is yours and you may use it freely. As an atheist I reject any notion of a "supreme being" but I grant you the right to differ.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:31 pm

jones jones;1432795 wrote: Fortunately we now live in a world where diverse & different, sometimes even bizarre views, whilst not finding favour with the masses are nonetheless acceptable in terms of the right of all earthlings to express themselves.

This right is yours and you may use it freely. As an atheist I reject any notion of a "supreme being" but I grant you the right to differ.

Interesting that my right exist without your grant, but still I wish that was a world view, but I don;t think it is.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:31 am

Mickiel;1432700 wrote: I disagree; I have made a study of God for over 40 years now; one of his definite ways is to remain silent toward humanity; I don't know why, but he just does not talk to humans. So him being silent is not evidence of him not being there; not in my view.

God is not silent. We seem to have just stopped listening.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:45 am

LarsMac;1432843 wrote: God is not silent. We seem to have just stopped listening.

God has been silent a long time, Isaiah 42:14, and 1:15. But I certainly agree that we have not been listening anyway.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:01 am

The world is becoming increasingly secular, that ought to be interesting to see the result of that. Secular thinking believes it can do better than religious thinking; ( I think neither thinking has done any lasting good for the world that can preserve the world), or can thinking even make a difference in this world?

Any kind of thinking.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:21 am

What is the world coming to, seems like getting along with each other is becoming so sensitive of a thing!

Post by **jones jones** » Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:13 pm

"God" has been silent since the catholic church invented him/she/it.

There is no such thing as god ...never has been ...

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:53 pm

Mickiel;1432862 wrote: The world is becoming increasingly secular, that ought to be interesting to see the result of that. Secular thinking believes it can do better than religious thinking; ( I think neither thinking has done any lasting good for the world that can preserve the world), or can thinking even make a difference in this world?

Any kind of thinking.Thinking has definitely made a difference to this point. The question, in my view, is whether or not the effects of our thinking has mostly been helpful or hurtful. The measure, I think, might be in the number of humans capable of living with the injustices our thinking has visited and continues to visit upon all life.

From your perspective, I imagine the question might be why God gave us this brain if we're this incapable of operating it, or with it?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Aug 04, 2013 3:49 pm

Ahso!;1433024 wrote: Thinking has definitely made a difference to this point. The question, in my view, is whether or not the effects of our thinking has mostly been helpful or hurtful. The measure, I think, might be in the number of humans capable of living with the injustices our thinking has visited and continues to visit upon all life.

From your perspective, I imagine the question might be why God gave us this brain if we're this incapable of operating it, or with it?

Well we all can think, thats for sure, some better than others. I don't see how any thinking person can look at this world and wonder just how far we really have come, and where we are going, without some doubt or question. Seems like a tape recording to me, that has played before in some kind of way.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun Aug 04, 2013 3:57 pm

"We all" as in "you and I" perhaps, but there are people who are not capable of cognitive thinking - their brains may be smaller than yours and mine, or their cognitive development may have arrested at some point, and those people are no more capable of reasonable thought than say, a dog.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:20 pm

Ahso!;1433029 wrote: "We all" as in "you and I" perhaps, but there are people who are not capable of cognitive thinking - their brains may be smaller than yours and mine, or their cognitive development may have arrested at some point, and those people are no more capable of reasonable thought than say, a dog.

Well I hope you are not referring to a tribe or a group of people.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:54 pm

he's talking about Americans lol

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:37 am

fuzzywuzzy;1433034 wrote: he's talking about Americans lol

Now that's funny!

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:45 pm

What is the world coming too? Its hard to tell, but its definitely a mixture of good and bad. Strange, that is exactly what the Tree in the garden of Eden was; a tree with a mixture of good and bad fruit;

The bible is deep man.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:56 pm

Mickiel;1433766 wrote:

The bible is deep man.
So why do they keep digging it up ?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:07 pm

Bruv;1433771 wrote: So why do they keep digging it up ?

Because we like biblical Archaeology.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:26 am

Mickiel;1433773 wrote: Because we like biblical Archaeology.
'We' ?

Your speaking for yourself.................you should use I in that sentence.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:15 am

Bruv;1433794 wrote: 'We' ?

Your speaking for yourself.................you should use I in that sentence.

You did not ask me a question of myself, you asked " Why do " They" keep digging it up?" Since you referred to " They", I referred to " We"; Now, this is simple enough to me, but if you are not after simplicity, but rather just fault finding, searching for an arguement or just looking to fight, then I understand your complaint about grammar. Because when someone is just looking to stir up mess, nothing the other person does can be right. And this is part of what the world is coming too, people just picking apart what others are saying, for no reason.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:32 am

I shall skulk away then......that being..... I, as in just me.....alone.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:39 am

Bruv;1433799 wrote: I shall skulk away then......that being..... I, as in just me.....alone.

Do as you wish; I come not looking to fight; but will discuss or debate anything with anybody; yet I hold no interest in obvious negative melodrama.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:21 am

Mickiel;1433801 wrote: Do as you wish; I come not looking to fight; but will discuss or debate anything with anybody; yet I hold no interest in obvious negative melodrama.

If I were you, I would ignore me..................you are just encouraging me now.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:54 am

Bruv;1433812 wrote: If I were you, I would ignore me..................you are just encouraging me now.

You seem to have a need to advise me; right now I am only ignoring meaningless debate and useless insults; other than that, I won't ignore others. I already know what it is you want, your just not going to get it from me. I mean you can try, but I am not the one to be intimidated by things I have seen much too often.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:56 am

Please let me know what I want, I am intriqued.

And what is your definition of meaningless debate ?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:30 am

Bruv;1433823 wrote: Please let me know what I want, I am intriqued.

And what is your definition of meaningless debate ?

I think you want an argument, you want to vent against what I am screaming; I think you want to pick and prick at what " You think" I am saying. I think I warded that off, and you see that, now mayhaps we can continue on a better basics; with a debate or discussion.

In my view, meaningless debate is debate that insults, calls people names, degrades and destroys communication.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:06 pm

Mickiel;1433827 wrote: I think you want an argument
Well............... no I don't, I don't believe your argument has a leg to stand on, whatever it is, so wouldn't enter into such an argument, as they are generally a waste of time and effort.

My comment whatever it was, was probably a one off joke, a throw away line............that possibly went over your head, because your head is somewhere else.

Better I walk away, before your head explodes, working out my motive or agenda...........................there is none......trust me.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:13 pm

Bruv;1433847 wrote: Well............... no I don't, I don't believe your argument has a leg to stand on, whatever it is, so wouldn't enter into such an argument, as they are generally a waste of time and effort.

My comment whatever it was, was probably a one off joke, a throw away line............that possibly went over your head, because your head is somewhere else.

Better I walk away, before your head explodes, working out my motive or agenda...........................there is none......trust me.

Well go in peace, I have no desire to figure out your jokes.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:25 pm

What is the world coming to? Much of the world is cool, but an increasing number of its people will give you the creeps.

What is that adding up too?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:19 am

Mickiel;1433865 wrote: What is the world coming to? Much of the world is cool, but an increasing number of its people will give you the creeps.

What is that adding up too?

People make the social aspects of the world go around, they don't make the earth itself go around.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:25 am

What is the world coming to when we can't even discuss things on a discussion board without lashing out at each other? Cutting on each other as if we are slicing meat.

That is a sign of what the world is coming to.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:26 am

Mickiel;1434030 wrote: What is the world coming to when we can't even discuss things on a discussion board without lashing out at each other? Cutting on each other as if we are slicing meat.

That is a sign of what the world is coming to.

I want to piggy back this with the evidence that is so evident; ourselves and how we communicate with each other. We are the evidence of what this world is coming to.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:10 am

I 'll tell you what communication is coming to; just look at it here on this website; people think sarcasm is communication;

They think insulting peoples personage is acceptable communication

They think weird jokes is the way to communicate

They think cutting the person up is a good way to make a point

They think being harsh is the way of the future

And they do this everyday and think absolutely nothing of it.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:19 am

Are you still talking to yourself Mickiel ?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:17 am

Bruv;1434147 wrote: Are you still talking to yourself Mickiel ?

I like talking to myself, do it everyday and see absolutely nothing wrong with a person talking and reasoning to themselves; and I am well pleased with the number of views each of my threads receives; which includes your views of them.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:24 am

Bruv;1434147 wrote: Are you still talking to yourself Mickiel ?

I have 2 threads with over 1,000 views, 2 more threads with over 3,000 views, 2 more with over 5,000 views each, one with over 64,000 views and one more with over 82,000 views; I am talking and there are people listening;

and I am pleased with the numbers.