Lock Down

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:25 am

Is it just me or do these images cause concern for the average man in the street ?

As I observed in another thread about the mourning friend wearing a skirt for a lost bet at a soldiers funeral, we Brits do things very differently.

It is not that we haven't had lots of experience of bombs and threats of bombs in many towns through out the country, I cannot see us putting up with this sort of carry on, whatever the authorities told us.

Some of the other videos are just as frightening

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:20 am

In fairness our police don't have the same kind of possibility that ordinary householders may be heavily armed and ready to open fire. Ypu don't really know what was going on so it's hard to judge. I dare say of the boston bombers had opened fire on the crowd with automatic weapons and probably killed more people instead of planting bombs their right to carry arms would be being defended and the pointlessness of background checks highlighted.

People are daft - I saw a bomb incident where the bomb disposal vans were turning up, police were starting to cordon off the street and people were running towards them to see what was happening. I just kept going in the other direction. There might be a bomb let's go look? You have to wonder.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:09 am

As far as I can see, didn't the Governor of Massachusetts declare Martial Law on Friday without actually calling it that? What would have happened if citizens did not stay in their homes that day? Would they have been arrested? Was it Martial Law by consent of the populace?

I have an eerie feeling about a future I probably won't live to see. Or will I? Things happen real fast these days.

I wrote the above in the thread called "who reads this garbage". I agree with what you said gmc, but nonetheless that day was troubling for many reasons, not the least being the appearance of police state, albeit for a "good" cause.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:43 am

gmc;1425222 wrote: In fairness our police don't have the same kind of possibility that ordinary householders may be heavily armed and ready to open fire. Ypu don't really know what was going on so it's hard to judge.

I am hoping for lawsuits and huge payouts. There is zero excuse, and far as I know, no legal precedent for going door to door ordering people out of their homes.

gmc;1425222 wrote: I dare say of the boston bombers had opened fire on the crowd with automatic weapons and probably killed more people instead of planting bombs

Perhaps if they weren't so inept they would have built better bombs which could have caused much more death, injury and damage than what happened. Possibly even get away with it. At least get a better head start for the run.

gmc;1425222 wrote: their right to carry arms would be being defended and the pointlessness of background checks highlighted.

The two brothers suspected in the Boston Marathon bombings, who police say engaged in a gun battle with officers early Friday after a frenzied manhunt, were not licensed to own guns in the towns where they lived, authorities said on Sunday.

Reuters

I suspect the bombs were also illegal under local laws.

According to the Brady Bunch,

Massachusetts has strong gun laws that help combat the illegal gun market, prevent the sale of most guns without background checks and reduce risks to children according to the Brady Campaign.

Funny how that works.:-3

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:50 am

AnneBoleyn;1425225 wrote: I agree with what you said gmc, but nonetheless that day was troubling for many reasons, not the least being the appearance of police state, albeit for a "good" cause".

I find it troubling so many were not totally PO'd over what the police did to them. I would be spitting fire.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:36 am

tude dog;1425231 wrote: I find it troubling so many were not totally PO'd over what the police did to them. I would be spitting fire.
So even the women were treated like criminals.In what way did the women remind the cops that they might be a 19 yr old Chechnyan (sp) male bomber. Unbelievable.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:27 am

Not everybody watches TV all the time or uses social media, there must have been quite a few people going about their business unaware of that was going on. What would have happened if you were unaware of the instructions to stay indoors and bumped in to this bunch? Don't know about you but my first reaction to being told to halt and put your hands on your head would be to ask - what?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:03 pm

Im glad it isn't only me that thought this was way over the top.

I lived in London suburbs during the Irish troubles (Trust the English to understate) when they were blowing up Guardsmen on their horses, and blowing up Pubs just because they could. There were regular false alarms on Motorway bridges, shutting down main routes while they checked it out.

I cannot remember anything coming near a Lockdown.

I hate to relate the two subjects (not really) but........what did y'all want the right to bear arms for ?

Could 'They' have done this in another state where 'Rights' are more in your face ?

Stormfront thinks this is a test for when 'They' take over, judging the compliance of the citizenry.

The cheering when the 'Masters' allowed the people onto the streets was unreal, and believe me I am no conspiracy theorist.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:33 pm

Bruv;1425239 wrote: Im glad it isn't only me that thought this was way over the top.

I lived in London suburbs during the Irish troubles (Trust the English to understate) when they were blowing up Guardsmen on their horses, and blowing up Pubs just because they could. There were regular false alarms on Motorway bridges, shutting down main routes while they checked it out.

I cannot remember anything coming near a Lockdown.

I hate to relate the two subjects (not really) but........what did y'all want the right to bear arms for ?

Could 'They' have done this in another state where 'Rights' are more in your face ?

Stormfront thinks this is a test for when 'They' take over, judging the compliance of the citizenry.

The cheering when the 'Masters' allowed the people onto the streets was unreal, and believe me I am no conspiracy theorist.

If this would have happened to me and my family I would probably still be in jail for arguing with the police about raising my hands and being frisked for no reason. Then when they start making my wife and kids put their hands behind their heads and frisking them, I'm sure I would have been face planted. Having many guns in my house, I'm sure I would have had some loaded and readily available when hearing of a possible bomber hiding out in my area. Who knows how many years in prison I would be facing. Either that or rich after the law suit.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:06 pm

Bruv;1425239 wrote:

I hate to relate the two subjects (not really) but........what did y'all want the right to bear arms for ?

Simple answer is, for when we need it.

Bruv;1425239 wrote: Could 'They' have done this in another state where 'Rights' are more in your face ?

Simple answer

YES

In your face our right to free speech, religion among others.

Bruv;1425239 wrote: Stormfront thinks this is a test for when 'They' take over, judging the compliance of the citizenry.

Stormfront

Give me a freaking break.

Bruv;1425239 wrote: The cheering when the 'Masters' allowed the people onto the streets was unreal, and believe me I am no conspiracy theorist.

I don't see it that way of the sheeple in Boston. It was a combination of relief and a victory cheer as if the BOSTON RED SOX had won the World Series.

All I can say, is things now are really getting creepy.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:04 pm

They would have to had broken my door down since I wouldn't have answered the door to them. Guys in storm trooper gear pounding on my door? NFW.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:09 pm

Simple answer is, for when we need it.

Not when armed Police raid peoples homes ? (I am totally oppossed to the populations owning guns as a so called 'Right')

But the police that might raid my home are not routinely armed.

I don't see it that way of the sheeple in Boston. It was a combination of relief and a victory cheer as if the BOSTON RED SOX had won the World Series.

The 'Sheeple in Boston' today (where tomorrow ?) happy and compliant to put their personal liberty at stake for the cause, and then to cheer as if their team had won a domestic championship, erroneously labelled a World competition.

Something not right here.

You should never underestimate the nutter element residing at Stormfront.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:39 pm

SnoozeAgain;1425255 wrote: They would have to had broken my door down since I wouldn't have answered the door to them. Guys in storm trooper gear pounding on my door? NFW.
I have a nice door. They are going to get in anyway, LET IT BE.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:15 pm

gmc;1425222 wrote: In fairness our police don't have the same kind of possibility that ordinary householders may be heavily armed and ready to open fire. Unless I'm mistaken, Watertown and most of Massachusetts is virtually disarmed.

Bruv;1425239 wrote: Im glad it isn't only me that thought this was way over the top.

I lived in London suburbs during the Irish troubles (Trust the English to understate) when they were blowing up Guardsmen on their horses, and blowing up Pubs just because they could. There were regular false alarms on Motorway bridges, shutting down main routes while they checked it out.

I cannot remember anything coming near a Lockdown.I thought it was over the top, too. Maybe the Boston authorities wanted to send a message, but it certainly flies in the face of our claim that we value freedom.

Bruv;1425239 wrote: I hate to relate the two subjects (not really) but........what did y'all want the right to bear arms for ? It's a myth that every American is armed. We're not. As with anything else, if it makes the news, you can bet it's rare. Recall Saint's overemotional rant about hundreds being killed. We're a nation of over 300 million. On average, we're a really docile crowd, grown fat and lazy from all the gov't coddling and numb from all the misinformation and lies on TV. It's very easy to avoid being informed here. Washington is slowly becoming a totalitarian state. Ridiculing and marginalizing those that see it and try to raise the alarm is one way to keep people complacent and compliant.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:45 am

What do stormfront have to say about white muslims? Race traitors or something I suppose.

I think you're being a bit uncharitable, the US is not used to terrorist attacks but are used to nutters with assault rifles. If you thought you might be facing that plus one of your colleagues had just been killed by the man you were hunting wouldn't you be a bit nervous and perhaps heavy handed and not really care what anybody else thinks? How polite would you be in those circumstances. We have armed police as well and I suspect they don't piss about either.

posted by accountable

It's a myth that every American is armed. We're not. As with anything else, if it makes the news, you can bet it's rare. Recall Saint's overemotional rant about hundreds being killed. We're a nation of over 300 million. On average, we're a really docile crowd, grown fat and lazy from all the gov't coddling and numb from all the misinformation and lies on TV. It's very easy to avoid being informed here. Washington is slowly becoming a totalitarian state. Ridiculing and marginalizing those that see it and try to raise the alarm is one way to keep people complacent and compliant.

Not to worry, in forumgarden you have a place where sanity prevails and people of great wisdom expound their pet theories to all that can bother reading them.

:yh_rotfl

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:58 am

Accountable;1425272 wrote: Unless I'm mistaken, Watertown and most of Massachusetts is virtually disarmed.

I thought it was over the top, too. Maybe the Boston authorities wanted to send a message, but it certainly flies in the face of our claim that we value freedom.If it had happened in the middle east you would have invaded, or sent in monitors at least.

Recall Saint's overemotional rant about hundreds being killed. We're a nation of over 300 million.So you work on percentages, an occasional school massacre is almost acceptable?On average, we're a really docile crowd, grown fat and lazy from all the gov't coddling and numb from all the misinformation and lies on TV. It's very easy to avoid being informed here. Washington is slowly becoming a totalitarian state. Ridiculing and marginalizing those that see it and try to raise the alarm is one way to keep people complacent and compliant.
I don't think the rest of the world sees you as a docile crowd, fat and lazy maybe.

I have re watched the capturing of a lone man hiding in a boat in a back yard, found by thermal imaging on a helicopter.

The amount of shots fired is disproportional to the immediate threat.

A cordon and a loud hailer would have done the same job.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:06 am

gmc;1425281 wrote: What do stormfront have to say about white muslims? Race traitors or something I suppose.
Chechans are'nt seen as white to start with I understand, Jews are not white

I think you're being a bit uncharitable, the US is not used to terrorist attacks but are used to nutters with assault rifles.

Which makes the capture so much worse

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:10 am

Bruv;1425286 wrote: If it had happened in the middle east you would have invaded, or sent in monitors at least.
Doubtful, but if we would have, so would you. It would likely be a UN operation.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:14 am

tude dog;1425268 wrote: I have a nice door. They are going to get in anyway, LET IT BE.

So, you condone the women and children being treated as criminals when they are looking for a 19 yr old male?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:12 pm

I had a word this afternoon with my daughter in Iowa.(She was phoning to see how Dad was, so I gave her a robust discussion)

I mentioned the lock down, she thought it was fantastic how no expense was spared to get the bad guy.

I reminded her of her time living in London when the bad guys were being sought by our unarmed police, the bad guys that killed many civilians over a long period in many different towns, I asked he what she thought might have happened if they had tried to 'Lock down' London.

Apparently she hadn't seen the images I had seen so I described them. They are swat teams she said. I asked what if our goverment had sent swat type teams into London. She said they are local police not government. I asked if she saw the apprehension of the suspect hiding in the boat and the barrage of shots, she hadn't.

I asked her how that might have ended in the UK.

She did say that you guys in the states tend to do stuff your own way and refuse to change. For instance the whole world has gone metric, except the US of A.

Any problems I have with my wife are cultural, a difference in attitude to general everyday things, that cultural difference is evident with our special relationship friends from across the pond.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:22 pm

YZGI;1425310 wrote: So, you condone the women and children being treated as criminals when they are looking for a 19 yr old male?

NO NO NO NO, NOT AT ALL!

Problem is, what am I suppose to do?

Maybe I want to go down in a blaze of glory, but I really doubt my wife would feel the same.

Say we both decide to load up and resist to the bitter end.

Main Stream Press labels us as nut cakes. Our families are harassed. Our histories are examined under a microscope. Nothing is to small to put us under a negative light.

Long story short, there is a time to hold them and a time to fold them.

I can tell you I will be a problem as much as I can, short of getting shot.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:44 pm

tude dog;1425336 wrote: NO NO NO NO, NOT AT ALL!

Problem is, what am I suppose to do?

Maybe I want to go down in a blaze of glory, but I really doubt my wife would feel the same.

Say we both decide to load up and resist to the bitter end.

Main Stream Press labels us as nut cakes. Our families are harassed. Our histories are examined under a microscope. Nothing is to small to put us under a negative light.

Long story short, there is a time to hold them and a time to fold them.

I can tell you I will be a problem as much as I can, short of getting shot.
Yeah. thats what I figured. Same here. I am just surprised nothing is being said about it.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:36 pm

I think you all have it wrong.

There was already a hostage situation.

A cop was shot

explosives thrown from a moving vehicle.

One suspect run over by a desparate second, who then disappears into a specific neighborhood.

The way those folks were coming out of the house is the way we always see hostages exiting a situation.

The logical thought process for the cops was that this suspect had and would again, given the opportunity, take a hostage.

A hostage cannot be relied on to tell you they are being held, can they?

Get everyone out of the house before you search it.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:37 pm

what I find even more interesting about this video is how many cops could have been taken out, had that been a scope and not a camera.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:19 pm

tude dog;1425336 wrote: NO NO NO NO, NOT AT ALL!

Problem is, what am I suppose to do?

Maybe I want to go down in a blaze of glory, but I really doubt my wife would feel the same.

Say we both decide to load up and resist to the bitter end.

Main Stream Press labels us as nut cakes. Our families are harassed. Our histories are examined under a microscope. Nothing is to small to put us under a negative light.

Long story short, there is a time to hold them and a time to fold them.

I can tell you I will be a problem as much as I can, short of getting shot.Yeah, that's a good idea. You become a problem, the police become more of a problem and everyone escalates the mood of the situation. Your wife takes your back along with perhaps some other family members and suddenly you're all in the local jail being cavity searched, your name gets to the media anyway, your life is examined and friends and relatives are harassed. Good move!.

But the point made by Flopstock is even more compelling than that. That you completely misread the situation, and cause a stir when the police are there, not to treat you as a criminal, but in an endeavor to protect you and your family. And all because you wanted to sound like Chuck Norris on a forum.

And see, misreading a situation is not all that bad unless you refuse to listen to reason and have firearms at your disposal.

The police, don't forget, are nervous and angry as it is.

Piss poor decisions! Why not take a calm and reasonable approach to the situation instead of assuming everyone is violating your "liberty"? What's causing your's and my freedoms to deteriorate is the tensions created by guns in the society.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:24 pm

flopstock;1425433 wrote: what I find even more interesting about this video is how many cops could have been taken out, had that been a scope and not a camera.

They're vulnerable too, and they know it. The video certainly makes that quite evident.

Now, lets say a bunch of gun slingers in the neighborhood misread the situation and begin taking shots at the police. Imagine the chaos that would ensue.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:50 pm

I was in a humpy in Lightning Ridge when all this was panning out I'd missed so much news I didn't even know that Thatcher bitch was dead (I really wanted to be in an Irish pub on her funeral day )

But thanks to satalites I got to see the longest most boring cop show ever. And then I sat there thinking...what the heck are they cheering about? Why are policeman yelling "USA USA USA"? what the **** was all that about? This teen and his (obviously) influential brother who (obviously ) had come under the influence of a paramilitary organisation, of which, influences it's soldiers in the same way any soldier is desensitised are now the devils? They made bombs that I could make in my shed......our kids could make!!! All I could ask my new friend was . 'I wonder if americans will see what distruction a bomb causes in a built up area in iraq or pakistan or afghanistan? Or will they just turn away and not care even though they can see it for themselves now? " He agreed.

And Bruv? The English have always raided Irish homes in the same way these guys have done here . I'ts not exactly foreign to you guys.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:58 pm

flopstock;1425432 wrote: I think you all have it wrong.

There was already a hostage situation.

A cop was shot

explosives thrown from a moving vehicle.

One suspect run over by a desparate second, who then disappears into a specific neighborhood.

The way those folks were coming out of the house is the way we always see hostages exiting a situation.

The logical thought process for the cops was that this suspect had and would again, given the opportunity, take a hostage.

A hostage cannot be relied on to tell you they are being held, can they?

Get everyone out of the house before you search it.

Wouldn't have had this situation if they'd done their initial search correctly in the first place. Only twits would have called this a successful operation . He was still at the scene of the firefight. He hadn't gone anywhere and the police told everyone it was okay now? Really? Giving so called terrorists to much credit. lol

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:56 pm

Ahso!;1425436 wrote: Yeah, that's a good idea. You become a problem,

Minding my own business, and I am a problem.

Ahso!;1425436 wrote: the police become more of a problem

The police at the orders of the governor are the problem.

Ahso!;1425436 wrote: and everyone escalates the mood of the situation.

How do you figure???

Cops going door to door, threatening whole families with lethal force forcing them into the streets.

Where have I seen that before?

Ahso!;1425436 wrote: Your wife takes your back along with perhaps some other family members and suddenly you're all in the local jail being cavity searched, your name gets to the media anyway, your life is examined and friends and relatives are harassed. Good move!.

Just what are you talking about?

Ahso!;1425436 wrote: But the point made by Flopstock is even more compelling than that. That you completely misread the situation, and cause a stir when the police are there, not to treat you as a criminal, but in an endeavor to protect you and your family.

Somehow I do not feel so comforted by your assertion of a benevolent government. I find it especially difficult when at the bad end of of one of those black scary looking military style "assault weapons".

Ahso!;1425436 wrote: And all because you wanted to sound like Chuck Norris on a forum.

What did I say to make you say something like that?

Ahso!;1425436 wrote: And see, misreading a situation is not all that bad unless you refuse to listen to reason and have firearms at your disposal.

WTF ar you talking about??

Reason is I tell the cops to take a hike, and they leave. You are the only one to bring up firearms. Firearms here are a none issue.

Ahso!;1425436 wrote: The police, don't forget, are nervous and angry as it is.

They should be nervous.

We all have a bad day work once in a while. So the cop is angry. If he isn't happy with his job, he should quit.

Ahso!;1425436 wrote: Piss poor decisions!

That is what I said. Somebody should clue the governor.

Ahso!;1425436 wrote: Why not take a calm and reasonable approach to the situation instead of assuming everyone is violating your "liberty"?

Going one home and another at at time, crashing down doors, hearing whole families at gunpoint into the streets is a calm and reasonable approach

:-5 :-5 :-5 :-5

Ahso!;1425436 wrote: What's causing your's and my freedoms to deteriorate is the tensions created by guns in the society.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:02 pm

Ahso!;1425437 wrote: They're vulnerable too, and they know it. The video certainly makes that quite evident.

Now, lets say a bunch of gun slingers in the neighborhood

The situation was misread and there were a bunch of gunslingers.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:50 pm

Ahso!;1425437 wrote: They're vulnerable too, and they know it. The video certainly makes that quite evident.

Now, lets say a bunch of gun slingers in the neighborhood misread the situation and begin taking shots at the police. Imagine the chaos that would ensue.

But they didn't, did they? Neither did a cop turn around and see a reflection in the window of this house and over react.

I knew we were screwed when we had to start taking our shoes off at the airport.

But this situation, I would expect on my own block, if it were known that a dangerous hostage taker was seen entering my neghborhood.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:52 pm

tude dog;1425449 wrote: The situation was misread and there were a bunch of gunslingers.

tude - i don't care if it's a cop or you as my neighbor that comes to rescue my sorry ass, so long as someone bothers to.:wah:

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:38 am

fuzzywuzzy;1425440 wrote:

And Bruv? The English have always raided Irish homes in the same way these guys have done here . I'ts not exactly foreign to you guys.

I don't think you can compare the actions of the Army in Northern Ireland during a long terrorist conflict, and the local Police pursueing a lone teenager, after a single incident.

Out of interest did you see the actual capture, as the guy hide in a boat, discovered by a helicopter with thermal imaging, I would think the volley were more than the total shots fired in London during the whole Irish problem over a period of years.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:48 am

flopstock;1425450 wrote: But they didn't, did they? Neither did a cop turn around and see a reflection in the window of this house and over react.

I knew we were screwed when we had to start taking our shoes off at the airport.

But this situation, I would expect on my own block, if it were known that a dangerous hostage taker was seen entering my neghborhood.No, nothing like I mentioned did occur in this instance, thankfully, though that could be because as acct pointed out: Accountable;1425272 wrote: Unless I'm mistaken, Watertown and most of Massachusetts is virtually disarmed.

Also, let's not forget that a situation similar to what we're talking of did in fact occur in upstate NY not long after the Newtown shootings when that one guy set fire to his home and then picked off a couple of firefighters from a distance.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:51 pm

A couple of things convince me that this guy is just a wacko and not your garden-variety Muslim extremist terrorist. Not only didn't they go for maximum deaths by setting the bombs at the start line rather than the finish, he hid in that boat. He knew as well as anybody that nobody in town was armed. Logically he would have taken a family hostage or something similar.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:16 pm

Accountable;1425523 wrote: A couple of things convince me that this guy is just a wacko and not your garden-variety Muslim extremist terrorist. Not only didn't they go for maximum deaths by setting the bombs at the start line rather than the finish, he hid in that boat. He knew as well as anybody that nobody in town was armed. Logically he would have taken a family hostage or something similar.

Why was no one in town armed?

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:40 pm

Bruv;1425459 wrote: I don't think you can compare the actions of the Army in Northern Ireland during a long terrorist conflict, and the local Police pursueing a lone teenager, after a single incident.

Out of interest did you see the actual capture, as the guy hide in a boat, discovered by a helicopter with thermal imaging, I would think the volley were more than the total shots fired in London during the whole Irish problem over a period of years.

Saw it all, our morning show went overtime...... like I said the longest most boring cop show EVER. But what was interesting is that whilst sitting there we were picking up the absolute lies being told as it was panning out . At one point something had happened and a comment made and I'm looking over to my host and he's looking at me asking what the ****? Are we all looking at the same screen?

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:46 pm

What I think was the biggest gaff of all though, was after they captured the poor sod and the president made another speech ...I was sitting there gobsmacked thinking ...Did that man just say what I thought he said? 'i hope the victims make a quick and full recovery"...............ummmm seriously I've never known anyone with their legs blown off to make a full recovery before.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:58 am

flopstock;1425532 wrote: Why was no one in town armed?
As I understand it Boston and the surrounding area has very restrictive gun laws. Of course that doesn't mean that every single person was unarmed, but the odds lean that way.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:00 am

Yeah, so the gun lobby can make the case that these two would have been caught or gunned down a lot sooner had Massachusetts had more LIBERAL gun laws. Phucking liberals. :wah:

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:40 am

Ahso!;1425573 wrote: Yeah, so the gun lobby can make the case that these two would have been caught or gunned down a lot sooner had Massachusetts had more LIBERAL gun laws. Phucking liberals. :wah:

Let me know if/when the "gun lobby" (whatever that is) makes that claim.:yh_eyerol

I would really like to know.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:24 pm

Ahso!;1425573 wrote: Yeah, so the gun lobby can make the case that these two would have been caught or gunned down a lot sooner had Massachusetts had more LIBERAL gun laws. Phucking liberals. :wah:
I take it you thought of (or read) a quip and just couldn't wait anymore to fit it into a discussion to show everyone how clever you are, so you just dropped it here?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:59 pm

Accountable;1425611 wrote: I take it you thought of (or read) a quip and just couldn't wait anymore to fit it into a discussion to show everyone how clever you are, so you just dropped it here?Awe, poo-poo!

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:04 pm

I might have to 'lock down' this thread if you Americans can't get on together.

Good job none of you are armed........

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:09 pm

Bruv;1425621 wrote: I might have to 'lock down' this thread if you Americans can't get on together.

Good job none of you are armed........

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:11 pm

Quick on the draw ?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:22 pm

tude dog;1425584 wrote: Let me know if/when the "gun lobby" (whatever that is) makes that claim.:yh_eyerol

I would really like to know.Do you know what a lobbying firm is?

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:14 pm

Ahso!;1425635 wrote: Do you know what a lobbying firm is?

Had anybody in mind?

BRADY CAMPAIGN to PREVENT GUN VIOLENCE

National Rifle Association

Democratic Party

Something more on a state level,

Kansas State Rifle Association

Hunting interests

National Shooting Sports Association

The list is virtually endless.

Now, fact is nobody, would say something so stupid.

Yeah, so the gun lobby can make the case that these two would have been caught or gunned down a lot sooner had Massachusetts had more LIBERAL gun laws. Phucking liberals.

If they had you would have produced it.

It is clear you have nothing worth mentioning. Once again, just making stuff up.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:45 pm

tude dog;1425584 wrote: Let me know if/when the "gun lobby" (whatever that is) makes that claim.:yh_eyerol

I would really like to know.This is what you said.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:49 pm

tude dog;1425651 wrote: Had anybody in mind?

BRADY CAMPAIGN to PREVENT GUN VIOLENCE

National Rifle Association

Democratic Party

Something more on a state level,

Kansas State Rifle Association

Hunting interests

National Shooting Sports Association

The list is virtually endless.

Now, fact is nobody, would say something so stupid.

If they had you would have produced it.

It is clear you have nothing worth mentioning. Once again, just making stuff up.It's already been said: "The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."