Where is the Love?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:45 am

I remember listening to a song by Dionnie Hathaway and Roberta Flack entitled " Where is the Love", a beautiful song and nice lyrics. But an even more profound message if you think about it. I believe that is one reason why I believe in God so much, I just know there has to be some kind of Great Love behind all this, and there has to be more Love that exist than what I am seeing around here.

Where is the Love?

What is Love? And who gets to define Love?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:15 am

If one thing exist that could speak directly to all people, it's Love. I have not known such world embracing Love, and my hope is that God is that; he is just holding himself back. But humans need Love; we need much , much more of Love; and where is it? Where will it come from?

This is one reason why religion has been and is so relevant; people searching for and needing Love, and they sense that religion could be a vehicle of Love. And it could be, but I am not saying that it has been, or is now. I think religion has had it's chance, and blew it. But that's just my personal view.

Love could change a whole lot of things in this world. It could change governments, banks, the flow of money on this planet, which is really the flow of power on this earth. It could change individuals and groups. And all of that " Sounds good", but is it a realistic way of even imagining things as they are?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:30 pm

I recall another song that claimed " Love makes the world go around." I like music for these very reasons, sometimes they get out a good message. That's why I like the bible, it puts out a good message. And that's why I would like to have Love, there can be not much greater things to have. The lack of Love has ruined families and relationships. And may well be ruining this world. If you look at how governments deal with each other, if you mention that Love should be included in the negotitations , you would be laughed at. Where is the Love at those levels?

Where is the Love when an Atheist and A Theist think that fighting is natural between them? Where is the Love when Marriage is taking such a hit and growing less prominant? Where is the Love when human nature is so set on being selfish, and all about what can you do for me?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:43 pm

Hey, you forgot this one by Jackie deShannon (there's a name I forgot, been a long time!):

"What the World Needs Now is Love by Jackie DeShannon

What the world needs now,

Is love, sweet love,

It's the only thing that there's just too little of.

What the world needs now,

Is love, sweet love,

No, not just for some but for everyone.

Lord, we don't need another mountain,

There are mountains and hillsides enough to climb,

There are oceans and rivers enough to cross,

Enough to last 'til the end of time.

What the world needs now,

Is love, sweet love,

It's the only thing that there's just too little of.

What the world needs now,

Is love, sweet love,

No, not just for some but for everyone.

Lord, we don't need another meadow,

There are cornfields and wheatfields enough to grow,

There are sunbeams and moonbeams enough to shine,

Oh listen Lord, if you want to know...oh...

What the world needs now,

Is love, sweet love,

It's the only thing that there's just too little of.

What the world needs now,

Is love, sweet love,

No, not just for some oh but just for every, every, everyone.

What the world needs now,

Is love, sweet love.

What the world needs now,

Is love, sweet love.

What the world needs now,

Is love, sweet love.

Jackie DeShannon — What the World Needs Now is Love Lyrics | from "My Best Friend's Wedding"

& also:

"If you can't be with the one you love, honey, love the one you're with"--Crosby Stills Nash & Young (not the law firm)

Peace & Love from the 1960's before we all got co-opted, because the capitalist imperialists realized we all had life too good & raised everyone's rent so we would owe our souls to the company store. And that, my friend, is where the Love went.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:41 pm

Great song, what the world needs now is Love sweet Love! Sometimes these songs just hit the right spot, not only the right tune. And they just stay relevant , year after year after year. Lasting, having a life of it's own.

And I suspect true Love is like that; relevant and lasting; enduring and never old. I hope we never reach the point where we don't even reconize it anymore.

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:40 pm

One of my favorite songs.

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:07 pm

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:42 pm

Great songs!

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:34 pm

This song was originally titled The Cry Of Love after the album name but was changed after Hendrix's death, so I'm using it. It's a great, great song.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:01 pm

Ahso!;1423026 wrote: This song was originally titled The Cry Of Love after the album name but was changed after Hendrix's death, so I'm using it. It's a great, great song.

Ahso you have out done yourself, that was a treat to listen to Jimmy.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:56 am

Where is the Love, one could say where is God? Does it seem to you that the people are growing inward, ever more selfish, and less loving? Where is the search for Love? Where is the Love your neighbor; when many now don't even know their neighbor? I decided a little while ago to have more Love, and I am finding that I don't even know how. My Mom died in January and she was the most loving person that I knew , and I miss her Love. Painfully miss it. So I ask myself where is the Love, do I go back to looking for it in women? Because I have seen Love in women, the kind of love that I wish I had in myself.

I think that's why I search for God , because I search for Love.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:51 am

Mickiel;1423048 wrote: Where is the Love, one could say where is God? Does it seem to you that the people are growing inward, ever more selfish, and less loving? Where is the search for Love? Where is the Love your neighbor; when many now don't even know their neighbor? I decided a little while ago to have more Love, and I am finding that I don't even know how. My Mom died in January and she was the most loving person that I knew , and I miss her Love. Painfully miss it. So I ask myself where is the Love, do I go back to looking for it in women? Because I have seen Love in women, the kind of love that I wish I had in myself.

I think that's why I search for God , because I search for Love.That's fair. However, what makes you think you'll find love in a belief of a deity? Also, it would be good to define "love" in this context.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:59 pm

Ahso!;1423056 wrote: That's fair. However, what makes you think you'll find love in a belief of a deity? Also, it would be good to define "love" in this context.

Its not the belief in God that I am searching for Love in, its God himself I would like to know; and I would like to know Love. And I think God is Love, I just want to find that out for myself; experience it for myself.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:43 pm

I should have mentioned how sorry I am for your loss of your mother. I recall how difficult it was for me when my mom passed away 9+ years ago. My condolences to you and your family.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:23 pm

Ahso!;1423082 wrote: I should have mentioned how sorry I am for your loss of your mother. I recall how difficult it was for me when my mom passed away 9+ years ago. My condolences to you and your family.

Thank you very much, it was a hard thing. She was a great woman; had a great belief in God; it was there that I was first influenced with my belief. She loved all my sisters and brother with a great love. I asked where is the Love, a big chunk of it left with her.

I think a mothers love for her children is one of the finest examples of human love that we can see and experience.

Her passing took more out of me than I knew.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:41 pm

Where is the Love; oh what a question we all should realize. Is it something one should look to give instead of trying to find someone to give it to you? Perhaps it just goes both ways, or should. Where do we look? To animals, to people, to places and things? And then, just what do we look for? What is Love that we should even find it? Do we look for it in religion? In science? In outer space;, where is the Love and what does it look like? We have heard some good songs posted in thread, but what does Love sound like?

Don't think I can answer these questions, I certainly don't want to give that impression. I'm looking for it myself. Who knows how many have just given up on looking for it; can't say that I blame them, its so hard to find.

Or is it?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:51 pm

Is love a feeling? Like some ball of emotional goo, or some thing that tickles the consciousness? Is it sex and romance? Who is really qualified to truly answer these questions. When we look at the world, do we, can we, see Love? I don't think I have ever asked these many questions about few subjects in my life. I sure would like to hear opinions on this one. Do women understand Love better than men? Has any race or culture cornered the market on Love?

Does anyone really care about Love?

Is love a dying breed?

Most of the people that I know now, if I were to bring up love and express a desire to talk about it, they would probally be surprised or uncomfortable with it. I know a few women who would want me to bring it up, and I probally don't want to talk about it with them, and send a wrong message. Can Love send a wrong message?

Or is it a universal language?

Anyway I want to go into this most enigmatic topic and examine it in every way possible; " If" that is even possible.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:02 pm

Often in a study I always look in the dictionary; how is a dictionary going to explain love to me? I set out several weeks ago to try and have more love, and I have been walking around like a chicken with its head cut off! Love can be associated with many things. I think I love peace, and being at peace, because I know what being disturbed and worried feels like. I know what being troubled feels like; so perhaps we can know what love is not, by our associations. By our experience. I know that I bring up God a lot, because I think I just love talking about him. I eat ice cream a lot, because I think I just love it. Conversely I do wrong a lot, but I am afraid to say that I love that. So I think Love can make us brave, make us crave, and embarass us.

Like one song I recall; Love is a many splindered thing.

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:38 am

I think one should not go out and LOOK for love, but, go out and GIVE love in kindness and respect. JMO

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:39 am

Well said, aftr

Gandhi said, "Be the change you want to see in the world."

To coin that phrase, then, be the love you want to see in the world.

I find that the more I focus on acting with love towards others, the more I see of it around me.

The less attention I give to those negative things that come from all around, the less negative I feel. I find people who see the positive in life, and hang out with them more.

Do something really unexpectedly cool for someone, now and again, and watch their eyes light up. Save that memory to look at, whenever you are feeling a bit down.

I still remember once, there was a couple that lived near me, who were struggling, mightily with money issues. Their car tires were may-pops. They would never drive anywhere. One night while walking my dog, I put $100 in an envelope and wrote, "God told me you needed this" stuck it on their windshield.

They had tires on their car the next day, and a day later the guy got a job in the next town, and life changed for them.

Sometimes, instead of waiting for Love, or waiting for God, we have an opportunity to BE God. To Be Love.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:49 am

"Love is a many splindered thing."

No.

Love Is a Many Splendored Thing

That was my mother's favorite song & she sang it all the time.

What you said is an episode from The Simpsons. Maybe you meant that?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:29 am

along-for-the-ride;1423099 wrote: I think one should not go out and LOOK for love, but, go out and GIVE love in kindness and respect. JMO

I think that's true, especially if you can't find love anyway. But you have to have love to give love. So I think one has to " Learn Love", in order to properly give it,. Or, you can just always give what you got, whatever it is. I think giving is an expression of love.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:34 am

AnneBoleyn;1423108 wrote: "Love is a many splindered thing."

No.

Love Is a Many Splendored Thing

That was my mother's favorite song & she sang it all the time.

What you said is an episode from The Simpsons. Maybe you meant that?

Yes I meant Splendored thing, my spelling is not the best. Love can be a great display of bright things, or a small humble thing not noticed. But love can be splendid , it can be a brilliant magnificent thing.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:43 am

" But love can be splendid , it can be a brilliant magnificent thing."

My own brilliant magnificent thing seems so mundane. We had just moved to New Hampshire. I was doing dishes (I had my first & only dishwasher, but I was washing something by hand. I really Hate Washing Dishes). I walked into the living room, towel in hand. My husband had our young son on his lap, our brand new kitten also. They were watching TV--"Barney Miller" it was. Something just clutched at my heart, it swelled & beat so hard I almost gasped. At the sight of those three, I was overcome with such great love I could barely breathe. I'll never forget the sight or the feeling, never ever. It was priceless beyond measure to feel that feeling. What about you? I'm so glad you are opening up Mickiel, and my condolences on the loss of your precious mom.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:23 am

AnneBoleyn;1423123 wrote: " But love can be splendid , it can be a brilliant magnificent thing."

My own brilliant magnificent thing seems so mundane. We had just moved to New Hampshire. I was doing dishes (I had my first & only dishwasher, but I was washing something by hand. I really Hate Washing Dishes). I walked into the living room, towel in hand. My husband had our young son on his lap, our brand new kitten also. They were watching TV--"Barney Miller" it was. Something just clutched at my heart, it swelled & beat so hard I almost gasped. At the sight of those three, I was overcome with such great love I could barely breathe. I'll never forget the sight or the feeling, never ever. It was priceless beyond measure to feel that feeling. What about you? I'm so glad you are opening up Mickiel, and my condolences on the loss of your precious mom.

Thank you for the condolences. I have had not many " Love moments" in my history where I was expressing the love, but many where others expressed it to me. I have " Given" things to others all my life. But I do recall one such moment where I saw my Moms love; I have a sister who has been on drugs for over 40 years, and I quess a couple of years ago I had finally had enough, I stopped talking to her. One day my Mom called me over for dinner, and after we ate she sat me down to talk. She told me that she has several disobedient children who have drained her all their lives, and have consistantly given her pain. She said to me that inspite of that, she will never stop loving them and never would stop talking to them. Never stop helping them, no matter how old they are. Then she looked at me and told me she is against me not talking to my sister, and that she wanted me to stop that, and always talk to her no matter what; to always look after her in whatever little ways that I could, no matter how it drains me. I submitted to that and promised my Mom that I would, and I have been talking to my sister ever since. Doing what I can, and this was just months before my Mom died that we had this conversation. She actually told me that she was not going to be alive long, and to Love my sister no matter what.

And that was priceless beyond measure.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:00 pm

Your mother was right. But that is only my opinion, I know others might disagree. "Oh you know that it's a fool who plays it cool by making this world a little colder". Hey Jude. My mother said "We're only here a short time, why are we cruel to each other?" & she didn't mean governments, she meant those of us so near & yet so far.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:37 pm

AnneBoleyn;1423129 wrote: Your mother was right. But that is only my opinion, I know others might disagree. "Oh you know that it's a fool who plays it cool by making this world a little colder". Hey Jude. My mother said "We're only here a short time, why are we cruel to each other?" & she didn't mean governments, she meant those of us so near & yet so far.

She was right. And I know now that I was wrong. I was dead wrong. I don't have to contribute to my sisters habit, but I can talk with her, stay in touch, and be a brother that is ready to help her in whatever way that I can. And that's not hard to do, IF you have the Love required to suffer long with people, especially your own people and children. So if you don't have the Love, then spend the rest of your days getting it in whatever manner that you can.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:49 pm

Where is the Love? At times when it seems that not enough people care, where is the Love? When you really do need help, really do need to know that you are not alone, where is the Love?

Where is the motivation for Love? Life has a way of draining anyone, no doubt about it; we just get on empty at times and just need some kind of motivation from somewhere. Some are able to generate this on their own, which is a great gift; yet others just are in need of some stimulation to comfort, which is why many turn to drugs and alcohol for their comfort and motivation; even for their Love. And man what a strong prison that can be. Shut yourself off in your home, with just you and a bottle; it can last days and weeks, as you spiral down the dark world of stimulation; I KNOW what I am talking about, I been there all too often. You stop eating, stop bathing, stop sleeping, as the bottle or the drug romances you and falls in love with you. Where is the Love?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:05 am

When I think of Love, I can't help it but to think of God; I go to my highest thoughts possible, that I can think of, and again, that's got to be God. I mean for me. Oh I think of my Mom, and I think that surely was Love. I think of women, and I believe I was Loved there. I think of family and friends, and see some Love. After that, I just don't see much of it. I look in myself, and I just don't know. So looking at God has got my imagination, I figure if he exist, then he must have a lot to do with Love. But I don't know him? Can't see him, and he does not talk to me; so its perplexing, this curiosity I have toward him.

And I look into the bible and read some wonderful things about God and Love. The bible says that " God is Love"; well what does that supposed to mean? One could spend their entire lives trying to get to just that and understand it. I think that's why some don't even try; its just a hard thing to consider. If you go to the meat of it. But I can't get around God. Seems like everything, just everything I consider in life, every subject no matter what it is, I keep coming back to considering what God has to do with it. Its all consuming, this God thing! And I don't know of anything that has something to do with everything, like this God thing seems to. And when I consider Love, its twofold; I keep shooting blanks in my understanding, and my consciousness keeps telling me if I want to know Love, then I have to consider God.

Its like a circle in my mind that seems to get nowhere, and there I am in the middle; just floating, going nowhere with it.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:10 am

You kind of wish there was a love boat to get on and ride. Take a vacation on it.

Is God going to ever explain Love to us? Give us each Love in ourselves? Well I think yes; one day, just not today. So we just have to content ourselves with the Love we can muster for each other. I had an employee tell me this week that they think that I don't love myself, that I am too hard on myself. I had to tell her she was right. I mean I know its true. I am handicapped in that area, and oh what an area to be broke in. Good grief , I would that it be other areas, but I am stuck with it; or am I?

Can Love be mustered up, whipped up like cooking a meal? Can we create it in ourselves? Thats why I wish I knew God, I have read so much about him. God is the only one I have ever seen, or read them say, that they are Love; that he is Love.

That's some kind of a statement. Its so interesting and enigmatic. So different from anything else I have ever read.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:16 am

In Micah 7:18, an interesting description of God is posted, " Who is a God like thee, who pardons iniquity and passes over the rebellious act of the remnant of his possession? He does not retain his anger forever, because he delights in " Unchanging Love!" God is said to be very forgiving and he does not stay angry about things, which is why I do not believe in this so called " Unpardonable sin." God will always eventually forgive, from what I read. That's how true Love is , its forgiving.

Interesting also about God is that his Love does not change. Imagine that, a Love that stays the same, and is extended the same no matter how we humans are or what we believe; the Love does not change from human to human; and THAT is just not like anything I have EVER known! Our Love is prejudiced, its picky. But God is not said to be so partial like that; I tell you this God is of immense interest; oh how I wish I personally knew him.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:44 pm

Where is the Love when humans have to fabricate it to find it?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:54 am

Where is the Love that we speak about and sing about? Love is getting scarce when we have to search for it. There is no better memory than a Love we once had; and no greater desire than to find another one.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:59 am

We can judge the world and what shape its in by looking at Love; and we can judge ourselves by that same guage. When you look for Love, how long does it take you to find it? Where do you find it?

Is it in yourself? Are you even comfortable with how you Love or how much Love is extended toward you?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:52 pm

Hey Mickey, why don't you join us in the Rock Off thread and vote on some music. We'd love having you there. For now you can only vote on the songs already submitted but when we begin a new game you can add tunes to be voted on too. Come over and have some fun.

I know how hard things seem when we lose a person we love so much. Let us be a part of your recovery. We're your friends.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:05 am

Ahso!;1429428 wrote: Hey Mickey, why don't you join us in the Rock Off thread and vote on some music. We'd love having you there. For now you can only vote on the songs already submitted but when we begin a new game you can add tunes to be voted on too. Come over and have some fun.

I know how hard things seem when we lose a person we love so much. Let us be a part of your recovery. We're your friends.

Sure I will come to the thread and have some fun.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:38 am

So you'll know what to do: Go to post number 528 in the Rock Off thread and listen to both songs linked and then vote for whichever one you enjoyed most by replying. That's it! Simple, right?

Don't forget to keep checking back on the tread for the next two songs to vote on.

See you there!

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:59 pm

We're ready for another vote anytime you are.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:18 am

Where is the Love when you cry and are depressed? Where is it? Where is the love when you are lonely and disturbed?

This is why some turn to God, or drugs, or people places and things; just devoid of the Love.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:11 pm

We're ready again.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:44 am

vote time!

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:58 pm

Again, sir?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:38 am

1 John 4:20, " If someone says " I Love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar."

Where is the Love, well some of our love has been lost because we hate our family.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:42 am

Where is the Love? Well I have come to the conclusion that the Love is " In God", and the only proper real way for us to find the Love is for God to give it to us.

And I want to examine that in the coming days.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:20 am

To find God is to find love.

But how in the world of reason is God found?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:43 pm

Mickiel;1433006 wrote: To find God is to find love.

But how in the world of reason is God found?

I have come to really know, that I have absolutely no idea how to find God.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:50 am

I remember Donny Hathaway and Roberta Flack singing one of my favorite songs in duet; " Where is the Love!" A stunning performance, an equally stunning message. See that's what makes a good song; a good stunning voice, but also when it sings a good stunning message that has real meaning.

That question has REAL meaning; Where is the Love?

Its stunning! It means something!

And when you can talk or write like that, it means something!

Or live like that!

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:49 am

Where is the love when people on discussion boards just pick on you, just for the sake of doing it? Just because your different. Where is viva la difference?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:03 am

Where is the Love when Palestienians and Israelies still can't get along after centuries of trying. Where is the love when gay people are still dispised? Where is the Love when Catholic Priest still don't get prosecuted for abusing boys?

Where is the Love when Theist and Atheist can't help but fight each other?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:07 am

Where is the Love when we can't even debate on a board or discuss things without getting personal and calling each other names? Where is the Love when you can't talk with me without insulting me?

How we talk to each other every day, is a mirror of where the Love has gone.