Having a hard time justifying

nvalleyvee · Post by **nvalleyvee** » Tue May 24, 2005 6:39 pm

My major source of income is derived from the price of oil - so I am doing quite well now - it allowed me to quit a crappy job etc. I took the job because I got caught with cancer without any insurance and had major medical bills to pay. My son-in-law is going to Iraq on 9/11. I am NOT happy. I think we should lay down the gloves, put their government in power - as the US has never known how to do - and get the heck out. YES, before my baby is killed - he is trained as an advance scout and medic. I WILL go back to work for his life. Am I just being a ranting Mom-in-law. It seems a real dicotomy of feelings and my most prevelant feeling is I don't want him to die.

koan · Post by **koan** » Tue May 24, 2005 6:47 pm

How scary for you.

It is easy to have opinions when the people dying aren't related to you. I do not know anyone fighting the war. I can only be thankful for that and hopeful for the people who are there. My grandfather was on his way to WWII when it ended. It's always possible.

turbonium · Post by **turbonium** » Tue May 24, 2005 7:09 pm

nvalleyvee wrote: My major source of income is derived from the price of oil - so I am doing quite well now - it allowed me to quit a crappy job etc. I took the job because I got caught with cancer without any insurance and had major medical bills to pay. My son-in-law is going to Iraq on 9/11. I am NOT happy. I think we should lay down the gloves, put their government in power - as the US has never known how to do - and get the heck out. YES, before my baby is killed - he is trained as an advance scout and medic. I WILL go back to work for his life. Am I just being a ranting Mom-in-law. It seems a real dicotomy of feelings and my most prevelant feeling is I don't want him to die.

I agree with you 100%, nvalleyvee. And I'll send my prayers out to your son-in-law that he makes it home safe and sound with you and your families, where he should be.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Tue May 24, 2005 7:21 pm

V I hope your son-in-law comes home very soon too. The loss of life on both sides is unjustifiable and a crime. Surely his professional skills as a medic could land him a promising career here. My heart goes out to you.

Bothwell · Post by **Bothwell** » Wed May 25, 2005 1:04 am

nvalleyvee. It's just my personal experience but I got sent to a couple of really pointless conflicts, and when I say pointless they would make Iraq look justified on every scale, but I never really thought about it. I have many times since but not when I was in the services, just went and did what I was told, it's actually the only mechanism you can use, Hopefully your SIL can do the same, none of this helps you any. However I presume the income is from investment, well I suspect there are very few investments you could make that would not have some tie in to some conflict somewhere.

Your investments help to treat you of a serious illness, which in turm will have helped your daughter and SIL in some capacity you had no idea that the gung ho boys were going to go stomping into the desert.

john8pies · Post by **john8pies** » Wed May 25, 2005 2:43 am

Nvalleyvee, my thoughts are with you and your boy. As you so succintly put it, it`s easy to hold an opinion when one isn`t personally affected (though with the threat of terrorism I suppose we all are to some extent), but sure more relevant when they`re actually going out to the war zone, and all that entails. One of the things that made Michael Moore`s Farenheit 9/11 such compulsive and yet worrying viewing. Good luck

greydeadhead · Post by **greydeadhead** » Wed May 25, 2005 3:45 am

Nvalleyvee..

Sorry to hear that your son is going to have to place himself on the line. My daughter grads this year and has enlisted in the ANG... of course I am hoping that we will be well out of that quagmire by the time she finishes tech school and such.. but if we aren't there is a chance that she too will be over there..

Bothwell makes a great point. Having walked in his shoes so to speak, I can relate to the it is my job.. I am going to do it and try to get home in one piece defense mechanism. It did help preserve my sanity at times.. I did try and prepare my daughter for what she possibly could be getting into.. but at that age you are immortal. My thoughts are with you and your son. be well...

nvalleyvee · Post by **nvalleyvee** » Wed May 25, 2005 4:32 pm

Brett - my SIL - feels an overwhelming sense of duty to this country and feels he is fighting for the right of all people to live without tyranny. He knows the oil background of the war. My investments are in the United States but the Arabs determine our price.

Thanks for all the good wishes for him. He has been my SIL for 6 months but he has been a member of my family for 5 years. I am proud of him everyday. Thanks everyone.

Philadelphia Eagle · Post by **Philadelphia Eagle** » Wed May 25, 2005 5:38 pm

john8pies wrote: Nvalleyvee, my thoughts are with you and your boy. As you so succintly put it, it`s easy to hold an opinion when one isn`t personally affected (though with the threat of terrorism I suppose we all are to some extent), but sure more relevant when they`re actually going out to the war zone, and all that entails. One of the things that made Michael Moore`s Farenheit 9/11 such compulsive and yet worrying viewing. Good luck

Careful, John when you talk about Michael Moore.

To say he's unpopular here is one of the understatements of the year.

You've demonstrated before that you don't really appreciate some of our sensitivities and I'm sure you don't mean to be offensive but I do urge you to be a little circumspect.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Wed May 25, 2005 7:51 pm

Philadelphia Eagle wrote: Careful, John when you talk about Michael Moore.

To say he's unpopular here is one of the understatements of the year.

You've demonstrated before that you don't really appreciate some of our sensitivities and I'm sure you don't mean to be offensive but I do urge you to be a little circumspect.To the contrary, Michael Moore is hugely popular in the US. He's also very wealthy. Those left of Augusto Pinochet love him. Those on the far right are terrified of him. I appreciated his movie but as a socialist I do not support anyone that is basically an ATM for the capitalist Democratic Party.

Philadelphia Eagle · Post by **Philadelphia Eagle** » Thu May 26, 2005 6:57 am

David813 wrote: To the contrary, Michael Moore is hugely popular in the US. He's also very wealthy. Those left of Augusto Pinochet love him. Those on the far right are terrified of him. I appreciated his movie but as a socialist I do not support anyone that is basically an ATM for the capitalist Democratic Party.

Thanks David.

You've confirmed my point totally.

greydeadhead · Post by **greydeadhead** » Thu May 26, 2005 7:06 am

Flopstock hit it exactly on the head.. the man is nothing but a self promoting marketing man. His films all reflect his points of view..hence they really are not documentaries. As far as raising public awareness concerning major issues.. naaaahhh.. not by a long shot. I rate him right up there with Madonna and Marilyn Manson. They know how to play the public to line thier pockets... that's all folks..

turbonium · Post by **turbonium** » Fri May 27, 2005 8:11 pm

Moore has some good points but he takes those and slants them to slag Bush and support Kerry. He stops well short of anything that could incriminate the Democrats, which makes his true intentions quite clearly to be pro-Democrat. Sort of ironic, when you realize he is after the big bucks more than the entire truth behind it all.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Tue May 31, 2005 8:04 am

nvalleyvee wrote: My major source of income is derived from the price of oil - so I am doing quite well now - it allowed me to quit a crappy job etc. I took the job because I got caught with cancer without any insurance and had major medical bills to pay. My son-in-law is going to Iraq on 9/11. I am NOT happy. I think we should lay down the gloves, put their government in power - as the US has never known how to do - and get the heck out. YES, before my baby is killed - he is trained as an advance scout and medic. I WILL go back to work for his life. Am I just being a ranting Mom-in-law. It seems a real dicotomy of feelings and my most prevelant feeling is I don't want him to die.

Personally, I don't see the connection but it is apparent you do. If you really think your income is derived from such evil, sell and invest in something else.

As for your SIL, he is a man doing a man's job. The only thing he needs from you is full support and prayer. Save any political debate for after he's back safe and sound. Nothing is more draining to morale than to know a loved one thinks something you are risking your life for is pointless. He needs his full attention on his job right now. I speak from 21 years military experience.

My prayers are with you and your family.