In 2006 Nick Griffin, leader of the Far Right was charged with Inciting Racial hatred for warning that Asian Peadophile gangs were grooming and raping white British girls as young as 11 years old. He was declared not guilty by trial by Jury.... today, the courts continue to convict more members of Asian peado gangs and a senior police spokesperson now admits that they knew this was happening over 10 years ago...
Nick Griffin was also branded racist a decade ago when he warned that In cities, white British would be the minority....
Today's news
White Britons are now a minority in Leicester, Luton and Slough and Birmingham is set to follow by end of decade | Mail Online
He also warned that when the White British became the minority In major cities, there would ' white flight ' leaving cities unregonisable as British.
How Ironic that newspapers are reporting this and the Asian trials when they branded him a racist and delusional...
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How is this guy a "leader of the far right"? Why is the right associated with racism in UK? Does that mean far left is....what?
Is the political spectrum not size, span and control of government or simply the economic/capitalist/centrally planned aspect?
The vast majority of all hate groups in America are socialists, and very far left. They are known as left wing hate groups and nazis.
Here's a good one (sarcasm so Bryn can understand and keep in context).
American Nazi Party
Here's another with a very hard line stance.
NSM : National Socialist Movement Party Headquarters
These groups tend to back the democrat party in the US.
Is the political spectrum not size, span and control of government or simply the economic/capitalist/centrally planned aspect?
The vast majority of all hate groups in America are socialists, and very far left. They are known as left wing hate groups and nazis.
Here's a good one (sarcasm so Bryn can understand and keep in context).
American Nazi Party
Here's another with a very hard line stance.
NSM : National Socialist Movement Party Headquarters
These groups tend to back the democrat party in the US.
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Halfway.... Thanks, that looks very Interesting to me but I'm just In from work... I'll watch the vid later tonight and make some comments..
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halfway;1416088 wrote: How is this guy a "leader of the far right"? Why is the right associated with racism in UK? Does that mean far left is....what?
Is the political spectrum not size, span and control of government or simply the economic/capitalist/centrally planned aspect?
The vast majority of all hate groups in America are socialists, and very far left. They are known as left wing hate groups and nazis.
Here's a good one (sarcasm so Bryn can understand and keep in context).
American Nazi Party
Here's another with a very hard line stance.
NSM : National Socialist Movement Party Headquarters
These groups tend to back the democrat party in the US.
Left–right politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The right and left in european politics comes from the time during the french revolution of 1789 when members of the National Assembly divided into supporters of the king to the president's right and supporters of the revolution to his left.
Any party that wants to give more rights and power to the people is left wing, one that wants to maintain the status quo or support the interests of a ruling elite is right wing.
There is general consensus that the Left includes progressives, social-liberals, greens, social-democrats, socialists, democratic-socialists, civil-libertarians (as in "social-libertarians"; not to be confused with the right's "economic-libertarians"), secularists, communists, and anarchists,[5][6][7][8] and that the Right includes conservatives, reactionaries, neoconservatives, capitalists, neoliberals, economic-libertarians (not to be confused with the left's "civil-libertarians"), social-authoritarians, monarchists, theocrats, nationalists, Nazis (including neo-Nazis) and fascists.[9]
Americans seem to struggle with the distinction between right and left as used by europeans. As a historian I would have thought you would be aware of the origins of the terms even if the US seems to use them differently.
Hitler added extreme nationalism and racism in to the mix - as opposed to the supposed we are all equal under communism. ( you may have heard the phrase "all are equal but some are more equal than others" It's from George Orwell's animal farm - a bit of British ironic humour for you) NB: communism is one particular and distinct strand of socialism they are not synonymous. Most political parties in europe are basically social democrat in outlook.
The racism of the nazis comes from religion - for two thousand years the church has been preaching the jews killed jesus. The holocaust would be inconceivable without that. Monotheism also teaches that everybody else is going to hell since they are "true" christians". Discriminating against, imprisoning and making war on the godless and inferior has been going on for centuries religion gives a nice air of respectability and justification.
The BNP is a modern day reincarnation of the British nazi party - it's nationalistic and racist hence right wing. As you can imagine calling itself the british nazi party would go down like a red balloon so they kept the initials. The irony being that griffin is himself the descendant of east european immigrants.
I didn't think you had any socialists in america it seems to be downright dangerous to even hint you might think democratic socialism might be a good idea.
Is the political spectrum not size, span and control of government or simply the economic/capitalist/centrally planned aspect?
The vast majority of all hate groups in America are socialists, and very far left. They are known as left wing hate groups and nazis.
Here's a good one (sarcasm so Bryn can understand and keep in context).
American Nazi Party
Here's another with a very hard line stance.
NSM : National Socialist Movement Party Headquarters
These groups tend to back the democrat party in the US.
Left–right politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The right and left in european politics comes from the time during the french revolution of 1789 when members of the National Assembly divided into supporters of the king to the president's right and supporters of the revolution to his left.
Any party that wants to give more rights and power to the people is left wing, one that wants to maintain the status quo or support the interests of a ruling elite is right wing.
There is general consensus that the Left includes progressives, social-liberals, greens, social-democrats, socialists, democratic-socialists, civil-libertarians (as in "social-libertarians"; not to be confused with the right's "economic-libertarians"), secularists, communists, and anarchists,[5][6][7][8] and that the Right includes conservatives, reactionaries, neoconservatives, capitalists, neoliberals, economic-libertarians (not to be confused with the left's "civil-libertarians"), social-authoritarians, monarchists, theocrats, nationalists, Nazis (including neo-Nazis) and fascists.[9]
Americans seem to struggle with the distinction between right and left as used by europeans. As a historian I would have thought you would be aware of the origins of the terms even if the US seems to use them differently.
Hitler added extreme nationalism and racism in to the mix - as opposed to the supposed we are all equal under communism. ( you may have heard the phrase "all are equal but some are more equal than others" It's from George Orwell's animal farm - a bit of British ironic humour for you) NB: communism is one particular and distinct strand of socialism they are not synonymous. Most political parties in europe are basically social democrat in outlook.
The racism of the nazis comes from religion - for two thousand years the church has been preaching the jews killed jesus. The holocaust would be inconceivable without that. Monotheism also teaches that everybody else is going to hell since they are "true" christians". Discriminating against, imprisoning and making war on the godless and inferior has been going on for centuries religion gives a nice air of respectability and justification.
The BNP is a modern day reincarnation of the British nazi party - it's nationalistic and racist hence right wing. As you can imagine calling itself the british nazi party would go down like a red balloon so they kept the initials. The irony being that griffin is himself the descendant of east european immigrants.
I didn't think you had any socialists in america it seems to be downright dangerous to even hint you might think democratic socialism might be a good idea.
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gmc;1416114 wrote: Left–right politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Americans seem to struggle with the distinction between right and left as used by europeans. As a historian I would have thought you would be aware of the origins of the terms even if the US seems to use them differently.
Hitler added extreme nationalism and racism in to the mix - as opposed to the supposed we are all equal under communism. ( you may have heard the phrase "all are equal but some are more equal than others" It's from George Orwell's animal farm - a bit of British ironic humour for you) NB: communism is one particular and distinct strand of socialism they are not synonymous. Most political parties in europe are basically social democrat in outlook.
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Actually, as a historian I fully understand the political spectrum in 20th century Europe. You seem to mistake the outcome of Hitler's efforts with the actual mechanics of how he got there.
Please abstain from wikigarbage. Most university professors no longer allow it as a source document. I am one of those.
You write "Any party that wants to give more rights and power to the people is left wing, one that wants to maintain the status quo or support the interests of a ruling elite is right wing."???? Really? Then how does it maintain a presence with substantial votes if those voters believe that? Don't tell me miseducation...that is a leftist playbook tactic that denigrates the individual. Hooey.
You "didn't think we had any socialists in America"? Really? All one has to do is look.
Americans seem to struggle with the distinction between right and left as used by europeans. As a historian I would have thought you would be aware of the origins of the terms even if the US seems to use them differently.
Hitler added extreme nationalism and racism in to the mix - as opposed to the supposed we are all equal under communism. ( you may have heard the phrase "all are equal but some are more equal than others" It's from George Orwell's animal farm - a bit of British ironic humour for you) NB: communism is one particular and distinct strand of socialism they are not synonymous. Most political parties in europe are basically social democrat in outlook.
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Actually, as a historian I fully understand the political spectrum in 20th century Europe. You seem to mistake the outcome of Hitler's efforts with the actual mechanics of how he got there.
Please abstain from wikigarbage. Most university professors no longer allow it as a source document. I am one of those.
You write "Any party that wants to give more rights and power to the people is left wing, one that wants to maintain the status quo or support the interests of a ruling elite is right wing."???? Really? Then how does it maintain a presence with substantial votes if those voters believe that? Don't tell me miseducation...that is a leftist playbook tactic that denigrates the individual. Hooey.
You "didn't think we had any socialists in America"? Really? All one has to do is look.
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halfway;1416118 wrote: Actually, as a historian I fully understand the political spectrum in 20th century Europe. You seem to mistake the outcome of Hitler's efforts with the actual mechanics of how he got there.
Please abstain from wikigarbage. Most university professors no longer allow it as a source document. I am one of those.
You write "Any party that wants to give more rights and power to the people is left wing, one that wants to maintain the status quo or support the interests of a ruling elite is right wing."???? Really? Then how does it maintain a presence with substantial votes if those voters believe that? Don't tell me miseducation...that is a leftist playbook tactic that denigrates the individual. Hooey.
You "didn't think we had any socialists in America"? Really? All one has to do is look.I asked you once already and you refused to answer. Perhaps it's how I asked. I asked you if you were a teacher. This time I'll ask you if you are a university professor. Are you?
Please abstain from wikigarbage. Most university professors no longer allow it as a source document. I am one of those.
You write "Any party that wants to give more rights and power to the people is left wing, one that wants to maintain the status quo or support the interests of a ruling elite is right wing."???? Really? Then how does it maintain a presence with substantial votes if those voters believe that? Don't tell me miseducation...that is a leftist playbook tactic that denigrates the individual. Hooey.
You "didn't think we had any socialists in America"? Really? All one has to do is look.I asked you once already and you refused to answer. Perhaps it's how I asked. I asked you if you were a teacher. This time I'll ask you if you are a university professor. Are you?
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Ahso!;1416120 wrote: I asked you once already and you refused to answer. Perhaps it's how I asked. I asked you if you were a teacher. This time I'll ask you if you are a university professor. Are you?
What does It really matter what he does ? He writes more sense than some of the old crap I've seen on forums. As you are the first to complain about your threads being taken off topic. please have the manners to keep to topic In mine....
What does It really matter what he does ? He writes more sense than some of the old crap I've seen on forums. As you are the first to complain about your threads being taken off topic. please have the manners to keep to topic In mine....
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The BNP is a modern day reincarnation of the British nazi party - it's nationalistic and racist hence right wing. As you can imagine calling itself the british nazi party would go down like a red balloon so they kept the initials. The irony being that griffin is himself the descendant of east european immigrants.
If you are going to spout rubbish then get your facts right..
Griffin Is white British which was the requirement of the former party constitution . It doesn't matter If his fore-fathers were European.... HE Is white British the requisite to join the British National Party before the party constitution was amended by Arthur Kemp .Britain Is a mongrel race.... we are all descendants probably of some European settlers and Invaders.
Nick Griffin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The BNP is a modern day reincarnation of the British nazi party - it's nationalistic and racist hence right wing. As you can imagine calling itself the british nazi party would go down like a red balloon so they kept the initials. The irony being that griffin is himself the descendant of east european immigrants.
If you are going to spout rubbish then get your facts right..
Griffin Is white British which was the requirement of the former party constitution . It doesn't matter If his fore-fathers were European.... HE Is white British the requisite to join the British National Party before the party constitution was amended by Arthur Kemp .Britain Is a mongrel race.... we are all descendants probably of some European settlers and Invaders.
Nick Griffin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Ahso!;1416120 wrote: I asked you once already and you refused to answer. Perhaps it's how I asked. I asked you if you were a teacher. This time I'll ask you if you are a university professor. Are you?
Was it not clear?
Do I have some obligation to respond to you? I have seen little of your postings that bring enough to the table to feel obligated to respond, let alone respond with anything tangible.
Was it not clear?
Do I have some obligation to respond to you? I have seen little of your postings that bring enough to the table to feel obligated to respond, let alone respond with anything tangible.
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halfway;1416129 wrote: Was it not clear?
Do I have some obligation to respond to you? I have seen little of your postings that bring enough to the table to feel obligated to respond, let alone respond with anything tangible.I'm just wondering why you appear to be afraid of me. I'm harmless really.
Do I have some obligation to respond to you? I have seen little of your postings that bring enough to the table to feel obligated to respond, let alone respond with anything tangible.I'm just wondering why you appear to be afraid of me. I'm harmless really.
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Ahso!;1416130 wrote: I'm just wondering why you appear to be afraid of me. I'm harmless really.
Life's too short to spend time on people like you.
Goodbye.
Life's too short to spend time on people like you.
Goodbye.
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halfway;1416088 wrote: How is this guy a "leader of the far right"? Why is the right associated with racism in UK?
halfway;1416118 wrote: Actually, as a historian I fully understand the political spectrum in 20th century Europe
Did it all alter in the 21st century ?
halfway;1416118 wrote: Actually, as a historian I fully understand the political spectrum in 20th century Europe
Did it all alter in the 21st century ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Oh no you don't halfway.
Here's a good one (sarcasm so Bryn can understand and keep in context).
American Nazi Party
Here's another with a very hard line stance.
NSM : National Socialist Movement Party Headquarters
These groups tend to back the democrat party in the US.
They do not. I've never heard this particular story before. Link, please.
Here's a good one (sarcasm so Bryn can understand and keep in context).
American Nazi Party
Here's another with a very hard line stance.
NSM : National Socialist Movement Party Headquarters
These groups tend to back the democrat party in the US.
They do not. I've never heard this particular story before. Link, please.
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AnneBoleyn;1416151 wrote: Oh no you don't halfway.
They do not. I've never heard this particular story before. Link, please.
"they do not" what? Who do they endorse? Do a little research. You will also see the US communist party giving their endorsement as well.
Links are embedded? What more links do you want?
What do you mean by "oh no you don't"?
What are you attacking?
They do not. I've never heard this particular story before. Link, please.
"they do not" what? Who do they endorse? Do a little research. You will also see the US communist party giving their endorsement as well.
Links are embedded? What more links do you want?
What do you mean by "oh no you don't"?
What are you attacking?
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Sorry dear, perhaps it was clear only to me. I've never heard of those groups mentioned voting or supporting the democratic party in any way. Can you share your sources of information? I have no reason to attack you or anyone else. "oh no you don't" is merely an expression of shock & awe. That is what I sensed when I read this, as if it were fact: These groups tend to back the democrat party in the US. Sure is news for me, but welcome news if proved true. Truth is always welcome in my world.
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Their website header slogan:
A better and peaceful world is possible — a world where people and nature come before profits. That’s socialism. That’s our vision. We are the Communist Party USA.
Home » cpusa
That sounds pretty good, actually.
They identify themselves as being on the left but I haven't seen where they say they're Democrats. I might be splitting hairs.
A better and peaceful world is possible — a world where people and nature come before profits. That’s socialism. That’s our vision. We are the Communist Party USA.
Home » cpusa
That sounds pretty good, actually.
They identify themselves as being on the left but I haven't seen where they say they're Democrats. I might be splitting hairs.
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SnoozeAgain;1416169 wrote: Their website header slogan:
That sounds pretty good, actually.
They identify themselves as being on the left but I haven't seen where they say they're Democrats. I might be splitting hairs.
You can't equate American commies w/American nazis. Remember when, 1988 I believe, David Dukes wanted to run for President as a Republican?
That sounds pretty good, actually.
They identify themselves as being on the left but I haven't seen where they say they're Democrats. I might be splitting hairs.
You can't equate American commies w/American nazis. Remember when, 1988 I believe, David Dukes wanted to run for President as a Republican?
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AnneBoleyn;1416179 wrote: You can't equate American commies w/American nazis. Remember when, 1988 I believe, David Dukes wanted to run for President as a Republican?
Didn't he in fact renouce all his past affiliation with them and change parties?
How about Robert Byrd, democrat West Virginia. He renounced and remained a democrat???
Didn't he in fact renouce all his past affiliation with them and change parties?
How about Robert Byrd, democrat West Virginia. He renounced and remained a democrat???
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halfway;1416181 wrote: Didn't he in fact renouce all his past affiliation with them and change parties?
How about Robert Byrd, democrat West Virginia. He renounced and remained a democrat???
re: David Dukes. I can't recall him repudiating anything. It was the Republican Party who finally repudiated him.
Suro, Roberto (1991-11-07). "The 1991 Election: Louisiana; Bush Denounces Duke As Racist and Charlatan". New York Times.
How about Robert Byrd, democrat West Virginia. He renounced and remained a democrat???
re: David Dukes. I can't recall him repudiating anything. It was the Republican Party who finally repudiated him.
Suro, Roberto (1991-11-07). "The 1991 Election: Louisiana; Bush Denounces Duke As Racist and Charlatan". New York Times.
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I didn't intentionally ignore your point about Robert Byrd, I just have nothing to say except his was a case of genuine repudiation & Dukes never repudiated his hatred of blacks/jews.
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halfway;1416118 wrote: Actually, as a historian I fully understand the political spectrum in 20th century Europe. You seem to mistake the outcome of Hitler's efforts with the actual mechanics of how he got there.
Please abstain from wikigarbage. Most university professors no longer allow it as a source document. I am one of those.
You write "Any party that wants to give more rights and power to the people is left wing, one that wants to maintain the status quo or support the interests of a ruling elite is right wing."???? Really? Then how does it maintain a presence with substantial votes if those voters believe that? Don't tell me miseducation...that is a leftist playbook tactic that denigrates the individual. Hooey.
You "didn't think we had any socialists in America"? Really? All one has to do is look.
You asked why is he seen as a leader of the far right and why is the right associated with racism in the UK. I gave you a factual answer. If you disagree with it that's up to you. Wikipedia is a useful single source useful in the context of this forum, as it provides a brief thumbnail sketch of something - you can check out the factual content for yourself. Out of curiosity where do you think the terms right and left come from it is wasn't the French revolution? Hitler's anti-Semitism was evident right from the very go and his party ultimately became synonymous with racism. Initially the establishment supported him not for the racism but because he seemed an answer to the godless communists.
You write "Any party that wants to give more rights and power to the people is left wing, one that wants to maintain the status quo or support the interests of a ruling elite is right wing."???? Really?
Yes really. That is how europeans see things and that is how the political parties themselves see things. Your understanding of the political spectrum in 20th century europe is not as clear as you like to believe. Right and left are not necessarily mutually exclusive, both the main political parties in the UK have right and left wings to them just to further confuse things for you. We also talk about right and left of centre in social policy and right and left economic policy as well - The tories tend to be laissez faire liberals on the economy labour more to the left but laissez faire liberalism is preferred by the right as they use it to justify business to be able to do what it likes and leave things to the "market" so it means they attack workers employment rights they also tend not to see anything wring with monopolies.
Then how does it maintain a presence with substantial votes if those voters believe that? Don't tell me miseducation...that is a leftist playbook tactic that denigrates the individual. Hooey.
See above. Most people are left wing on some issues right wing on others. The phenomenon of the council house tory voter has puzzled political, pundits for decades. British politics is not as polarised as american seems to be the vast majority are not members of any political party and there is a large section that vote on issues at the time (we call the floating voters) - basically for who is going to be least worse. There is no equivalent of I am a republican or I am a democrat it tends to be more I haven't decided they are all crap.
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If you are going to spout rubbish then get your facts right..
Griffin Is white British which was the requirement of the former party constitution . It doesn't matter If his fore-fathers were European.... HE Is white British the requisite to join the British National Party before the party constitution was amended by Arthur Kemp .Britain Is a mongrel race.... we are all descendants probably of some European settlers and Invaders.
I know, couldn't resist the temptation to wind you up a little.
Please abstain from wikigarbage. Most university professors no longer allow it as a source document. I am one of those.
You write "Any party that wants to give more rights and power to the people is left wing, one that wants to maintain the status quo or support the interests of a ruling elite is right wing."???? Really? Then how does it maintain a presence with substantial votes if those voters believe that? Don't tell me miseducation...that is a leftist playbook tactic that denigrates the individual. Hooey.
You "didn't think we had any socialists in America"? Really? All one has to do is look.
You asked why is he seen as a leader of the far right and why is the right associated with racism in the UK. I gave you a factual answer. If you disagree with it that's up to you. Wikipedia is a useful single source useful in the context of this forum, as it provides a brief thumbnail sketch of something - you can check out the factual content for yourself. Out of curiosity where do you think the terms right and left come from it is wasn't the French revolution? Hitler's anti-Semitism was evident right from the very go and his party ultimately became synonymous with racism. Initially the establishment supported him not for the racism but because he seemed an answer to the godless communists.
You write "Any party that wants to give more rights and power to the people is left wing, one that wants to maintain the status quo or support the interests of a ruling elite is right wing."???? Really?
Yes really. That is how europeans see things and that is how the political parties themselves see things. Your understanding of the political spectrum in 20th century europe is not as clear as you like to believe. Right and left are not necessarily mutually exclusive, both the main political parties in the UK have right and left wings to them just to further confuse things for you. We also talk about right and left of centre in social policy and right and left economic policy as well - The tories tend to be laissez faire liberals on the economy labour more to the left but laissez faire liberalism is preferred by the right as they use it to justify business to be able to do what it likes and leave things to the "market" so it means they attack workers employment rights they also tend not to see anything wring with monopolies.
Then how does it maintain a presence with substantial votes if those voters believe that? Don't tell me miseducation...that is a leftist playbook tactic that denigrates the individual. Hooey.
See above. Most people are left wing on some issues right wing on others. The phenomenon of the council house tory voter has puzzled political, pundits for decades. British politics is not as polarised as american seems to be the vast majority are not members of any political party and there is a large section that vote on issues at the time (we call the floating voters) - basically for who is going to be least worse. There is no equivalent of I am a republican or I am a democrat it tends to be more I haven't decided they are all crap.
posted by ascar
If you are going to spout rubbish then get your facts right..
Griffin Is white British which was the requirement of the former party constitution . It doesn't matter If his fore-fathers were European.... HE Is white British the requisite to join the British National Party before the party constitution was amended by Arthur Kemp .Britain Is a mongrel race.... we are all descendants probably of some European settlers and Invaders.
I know, couldn't resist the temptation to wind you up a little.
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gmc;1416198 wrote:
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I know, couldn't resist the temptation to wind you up a little.
As you seemed to not notice my reference to Arthur Kemp and I understand that to a SNP voter, distinguishing fact from fantasy may be a little exacting for you, let me spell It out...
Arthur Kemp who was the former Foreign Affairs spokesman for the BNP and who rewrote the party constitution Is SOUTH AFRICAN...
He Is also a renowned best selling International author who's books Include ' March of the Titans '.
Arthur Kemp was born of a British father and a Dutch mother in Southern Rhodesia in 1962. Educated in South Africa, he holds a B.A. degree in Political Science, International Politics and Public Administration, having studied at the University of Cape Town and the University of South Africa. He worked as a journalist on a major national daily newspaper, as an international risk consultant, as a retail market analyst for a blue chip company in the UK, and as a public relations consultant.
Arthur Kemp (Author of March Of The Titans)
March of the Titans ( A History of the white race ).... The complete and comprehensive history of the White Race, spanning 350 centuries of tumultuous events. This is their incredible story - of vast visions, empires, achievements, triumphs against staggering odds, reckless blunders, crushing defeats and stupendous struggles. From the time of the emergence of the White racial type, their wanderings to the four corners of the globe, and finally into space itself: This remarkable story of human endeavor is without parallel or comparison, and is a story of awe, inspiration and heroism.
March of the Titans: A History of the White Race: Arthur Kemp: 9780620251174: Amazon.com: Books
So... do you not think for a minute that the BNP might have just a tad of an Insight into the mongrel race of Britons' ?
There you go....... you learned something today. Although I Imagine you having difficulty In understanding the fact that BNP people are not uneducated tattoo'd, shaven headed ****witts.... That must be terribly disappointing for you... those of you on facebook can go to my profile and see photographs of myself with Arthur Kemp.... one of the most awesome men I have ever had the privalige to know.
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I know, couldn't resist the temptation to wind you up a little.
As you seemed to not notice my reference to Arthur Kemp and I understand that to a SNP voter, distinguishing fact from fantasy may be a little exacting for you, let me spell It out...
Arthur Kemp who was the former Foreign Affairs spokesman for the BNP and who rewrote the party constitution Is SOUTH AFRICAN...
He Is also a renowned best selling International author who's books Include ' March of the Titans '.
Arthur Kemp was born of a British father and a Dutch mother in Southern Rhodesia in 1962. Educated in South Africa, he holds a B.A. degree in Political Science, International Politics and Public Administration, having studied at the University of Cape Town and the University of South Africa. He worked as a journalist on a major national daily newspaper, as an international risk consultant, as a retail market analyst for a blue chip company in the UK, and as a public relations consultant.
Arthur Kemp (Author of March Of The Titans)
March of the Titans ( A History of the white race ).... The complete and comprehensive history of the White Race, spanning 350 centuries of tumultuous events. This is their incredible story - of vast visions, empires, achievements, triumphs against staggering odds, reckless blunders, crushing defeats and stupendous struggles. From the time of the emergence of the White racial type, their wanderings to the four corners of the globe, and finally into space itself: This remarkable story of human endeavor is without parallel or comparison, and is a story of awe, inspiration and heroism.
March of the Titans: A History of the White Race: Arthur Kemp: 9780620251174: Amazon.com: Books
So... do you not think for a minute that the BNP might have just a tad of an Insight into the mongrel race of Britons' ?
There you go....... you learned something today. Although I Imagine you having difficulty In understanding the fact that BNP people are not uneducated tattoo'd, shaven headed ****witts.... That must be terribly disappointing for you... those of you on facebook can go to my profile and see photographs of myself with Arthur Kemp.... one of the most awesome men I have ever had the privalige to know.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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Is that perhaps along the same lines as the stormfront website. A white south african is not necessarily someone I would assume to be wholly objective. I would have to read it before I would make any comment.
The History of the White Race
If you only read one point of view you end with a distorted view of things. Try these.
“The History of White People”: What it means to be white - Salon.com
Dr. Nell Irvin Painter: The History of White People - YouTube
There you go....... you learned something today. Although I Imagine you having difficulty In understanding the fact that BNP people are not uneducated tattoo'd, shaven headed ****witts.... That must be terribly disappointing for you... those of you on facebook can go to my profile and see photographs of myself with Arthur Kemp.... one of the most awesome men I have ever had the privalige to know.
The nazi party had it's share of intellectuals (arguably hitler was an intellectual ) as well doesn't mean I agree with them or would not oppose them. Same with the BNP. They're basically a party of bigots I would actually class them along with religious fundamentalist, both muslim and Christian as being the sorts of people you never want to come to full political power. The fact they make some good points doesn't make that any less so. He's as racist as any Wahhabist and all want conflict. They are of a type I have little patience for. You have to decide is their world view one that is valid and do you agree with it. I don't and will always be against bigots.
Why so impressed by so called intellectuals? Think for yourself, if you were to ask me what I think is most important for a free society I would say as broad an education as possible.
The History of the White Race
If you only read one point of view you end with a distorted view of things. Try these.
“The History of White People”: What it means to be white - Salon.com
Dr. Nell Irvin Painter: The History of White People - YouTube
There you go....... you learned something today. Although I Imagine you having difficulty In understanding the fact that BNP people are not uneducated tattoo'd, shaven headed ****witts.... That must be terribly disappointing for you... those of you on facebook can go to my profile and see photographs of myself with Arthur Kemp.... one of the most awesome men I have ever had the privalige to know.
The nazi party had it's share of intellectuals (arguably hitler was an intellectual ) as well doesn't mean I agree with them or would not oppose them. Same with the BNP. They're basically a party of bigots I would actually class them along with religious fundamentalist, both muslim and Christian as being the sorts of people you never want to come to full political power. The fact they make some good points doesn't make that any less so. He's as racist as any Wahhabist and all want conflict. They are of a type I have little patience for. You have to decide is their world view one that is valid and do you agree with it. I don't and will always be against bigots.
Why so impressed by so called intellectuals? Think for yourself, if you were to ask me what I think is most important for a free society I would say as broad an education as possible.
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gmc;1416205 wrote:
Why so impressed by so called intellectuals? Think for yourself, if you were to ask me what I think is most important for a free society I would say as broad an education as possible.
Oh but I do think for myself...
And It's exactly why I make my own opinion about people I encounter., not swayed by a biased media slur campaign.
Gotta dash.... will answer more of your post later.
Why so impressed by so called intellectuals? Think for yourself, if you were to ask me what I think is most important for a free society I would say as broad an education as possible.
Oh but I do think for myself...
And It's exactly why I make my own opinion about people I encounter., not swayed by a biased media slur campaign.
Gotta dash.... will answer more of your post later.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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oscar;1416207 wrote: Oh but I do think for myself...
And It's exactly why I make my own opinion about people I encounter., not swayed by a biased media slur campaign.
Gotta dash.... will answer more of your post later.
I agree with you, the daily mail is very biased.
And It's exactly why I make my own opinion about people I encounter., not swayed by a biased media slur campaign.
Gotta dash.... will answer more of your post later.
I agree with you, the daily mail is very biased.
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gmc;1416205 wrote:
Why so impressed by so called intellectuals? Think for yourself, if you were to ask me what I think is most important for a free society I would say as broad an education as possible.
I had never been to a B.N.P meeting in my life before but i went when Arthur Kemp was due to give a speech as i was advised that it was worth a listen. Prior to that i must confess, i'd never heard of him. I was riveted by him and for two hours he spoke the most sense i'd ever heard from any so called politician. I suppose with the B.N.P connection, i was expecting to hear some racist diatribe but i never heard one racist word from him. He was factual, informative, witty and his education and intelligence were inspiring, especially his part on the history of colonization of South Africa. After his speech i rather stupidly asked why he didn't make recordings of his speeches. Quite right, no media source would broadcast them for fear of membership numbers increasing. I've never been back to another meeting but i would if Kemp was speaking. In relation to your comment to Oscar, i went without knowing who he was and i formed my own opinion of him as did Oscar when she met him. It's not about being impressed by so called intellects for Oscar doesn't suffer fools gladly but about distinguishing between a so called intellect and an intellect.
Why so impressed by so called intellectuals? Think for yourself, if you were to ask me what I think is most important for a free society I would say as broad an education as possible.
I had never been to a B.N.P meeting in my life before but i went when Arthur Kemp was due to give a speech as i was advised that it was worth a listen. Prior to that i must confess, i'd never heard of him. I was riveted by him and for two hours he spoke the most sense i'd ever heard from any so called politician. I suppose with the B.N.P connection, i was expecting to hear some racist diatribe but i never heard one racist word from him. He was factual, informative, witty and his education and intelligence were inspiring, especially his part on the history of colonization of South Africa. After his speech i rather stupidly asked why he didn't make recordings of his speeches. Quite right, no media source would broadcast them for fear of membership numbers increasing. I've never been back to another meeting but i would if Kemp was speaking. In relation to your comment to Oscar, i went without knowing who he was and i formed my own opinion of him as did Oscar when she met him. It's not about being impressed by so called intellects for Oscar doesn't suffer fools gladly but about distinguishing between a so called intellect and an intellect.
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What I mean is don't just take his book at face value do your own research in to what he claims. Citing him as some kind of fount of wisdom because of his credentials quite frankly does nor impress me in the least.
White skin is an adaptation to a winter climate with little sunlight just as black skin is an adaptation to tropical sun, genetically there really is no difference black, white, red, yellow and in the past races mixed and intermarried freely. The rise and success of western civilisation is due to cultural, geographical and historical factors not race and like all previous civilisations will change and adapt or go in to decline. Hitler put out the same kind of chosen people point of view as do those who claim Christianity as being the reason for the success of western civilisation the whole thing is a lot more complex than simple notions it was due to superiority of race or religion.
Dr. Nell Irvin Painter is also an intellectual - as it happens I hadn't heard of her before- with impressive credentials what did you think of her? or did you not bother listening because she was black and therefore has nothing of value to say on the subject. That sound nasty but I don't mean it that way. Lots of people just listen to and read what reinforces what they want to believe I'm guilty of it as well. The difference is when it comes to this kind of thing I have enough historical perceptive to make my own judgements.
You're like someone holding up a book saying the truth is in here why are you not listening? I'm just not impressed I'm a freethinker on history and politics not just religion.
White skin is an adaptation to a winter climate with little sunlight just as black skin is an adaptation to tropical sun, genetically there really is no difference black, white, red, yellow and in the past races mixed and intermarried freely. The rise and success of western civilisation is due to cultural, geographical and historical factors not race and like all previous civilisations will change and adapt or go in to decline. Hitler put out the same kind of chosen people point of view as do those who claim Christianity as being the reason for the success of western civilisation the whole thing is a lot more complex than simple notions it was due to superiority of race or religion.
Dr. Nell Irvin Painter is also an intellectual - as it happens I hadn't heard of her before- with impressive credentials what did you think of her? or did you not bother listening because she was black and therefore has nothing of value to say on the subject. That sound nasty but I don't mean it that way. Lots of people just listen to and read what reinforces what they want to believe I'm guilty of it as well. The difference is when it comes to this kind of thing I have enough historical perceptive to make my own judgements.
You're like someone holding up a book saying the truth is in here why are you not listening? I'm just not impressed I'm a freethinker on history and politics not just religion.
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gmc;1416329 wrote: What I mean is don't just take his book at face value do your own research in to what he claims. Citing him as some kind of fount of wisdom because of his credentials quite frankly does nor impress me in the least.
White skin is an adaptation to a winter climate with little sunlight just as black skin is an adaptation to tropical sun, genetically there really is no difference black, white, red, yellow and in the past races mixed and intermarried freely. The rise and success of western civilisation is due to cultural, geographical and historical factors not race and like all previous civilisations will change and adapt or go in to decline. Hitler put out the same kind of chosen people point of view as do those who claim Christianity as being the reason for the success of western civilisation the whole thing is a lot more complex than simple notions it was due to superiority of race or religion.
Dr. Nell Irvin Painter is also an intellectual - as it happens I hadn't heard of her before- with impressive credentials what did you think of her? or did you not bother listening because she was black and therefore has nothing of value to say on the subject. That sound nasty but I don't mean it that way. Lots of people just listen to and read what reinforces what they want to believe I'm guilty of it as well. The difference is when it comes to this kind of thing I have enough historical perceptive to make my own judgements.
You're like someone holding up a book saying the truth is in here why are you not listening? I'm just not impressed I'm a freethinker on history and politics not just religion.
You're missing the point of Peter's post.. we formed our opinion from his speeches long before we read the book... the book was not the Instigation of our opinion of the man. And It Is not to say that we believe It's a book of truth... we've never said that.
White skin is an adaptation to a winter climate with little sunlight just as black skin is an adaptation to tropical sun, genetically there really is no difference black, white, red, yellow and in the past races mixed and intermarried freely. The rise and success of western civilisation is due to cultural, geographical and historical factors not race and like all previous civilisations will change and adapt or go in to decline. Hitler put out the same kind of chosen people point of view as do those who claim Christianity as being the reason for the success of western civilisation the whole thing is a lot more complex than simple notions it was due to superiority of race or religion.
Dr. Nell Irvin Painter is also an intellectual - as it happens I hadn't heard of her before- with impressive credentials what did you think of her? or did you not bother listening because she was black and therefore has nothing of value to say on the subject. That sound nasty but I don't mean it that way. Lots of people just listen to and read what reinforces what they want to believe I'm guilty of it as well. The difference is when it comes to this kind of thing I have enough historical perceptive to make my own judgements.
You're like someone holding up a book saying the truth is in here why are you not listening? I'm just not impressed I'm a freethinker on history and politics not just religion.
You're missing the point of Peter's post.. we formed our opinion from his speeches long before we read the book... the book was not the Instigation of our opinion of the man. And It Is not to say that we believe It's a book of truth... we've never said that.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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oscar;1416332 wrote: You're missing the point of Peter's post.. we formed our opinion from his speeches long before we read the book... the book was not the Instigation of our opinion of the man. And It Is not to say that we believe It's a book of truth... we've never said that.
You're entitled to your opinion, that I am not inclined to share it or be impressed is not something that should bother you. Oswald Mosley was a charismatic speaker
Oswald Mosley in Scotland with a Short History of the Blackshirts
You've got to admit that took nerve. Doesn't mean I would have agreed with his politics or his interpretation of history. If it's any consolation i have I have scant respect for revolutionary socialists either.
You're entitled to your opinion, that I am not inclined to share it or be impressed is not something that should bother you. Oswald Mosley was a charismatic speaker
Oswald Mosley in Scotland with a Short History of the Blackshirts
You've got to admit that took nerve. Doesn't mean I would have agreed with his politics or his interpretation of history. If it's any consolation i have I have scant respect for revolutionary socialists either.
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oscar;1416084 wrote:
Nick Griffin was also branded racist a decade ago when he warned that In cities, white British would be the minority....
My two pennorth, and on a slightly different tack.
The population of the world is made up of a majority of non whites, so presumably over time with population movement the racial mix will do just that...... Mix
Pointing out that this will happen is not racist, finding it objectionable is.
Nick Griffin was also branded racist a decade ago when he warned that In cities, white British would be the minority....
My two pennorth, and on a slightly different tack.
The population of the world is made up of a majority of non whites, so presumably over time with population movement the racial mix will do just that...... Mix
Pointing out that this will happen is not racist, finding it objectionable is.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1416381 wrote: My two pennorth, and on a slightly different tack.
The population of the world is made up of a majority of non whites, so presumably over time with population movement the racial mix will do just that...... Mix
Pointing out that this will happen is not racist, finding it objectionable is.
Cos of course, thats the only intention of that kind Mr griffin. To keep us all up to date with how multiculturalism is going. He wouldn't want to be branded a racist.
That wouldn't be good for the image would it
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Nick Griffin was also branded racist a decade ago when he warned that In cities, white British would be the minority....
Why would Nick Griffin object to that. Are you suggesting that he and the BNP does not have a racial agenda ?
The population of the world is made up of a majority of non whites, so presumably over time with population movement the racial mix will do just that...... Mix
Pointing out that this will happen is not racist, finding it objectionable is.
Cos of course, thats the only intention of that kind Mr griffin. To keep us all up to date with how multiculturalism is going. He wouldn't want to be branded a racist.
That wouldn't be good for the image would it
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Nick Griffin was also branded racist a decade ago when he warned that In cities, white British would be the minority....
Why would Nick Griffin object to that. Are you suggesting that he and the BNP does not have a racial agenda ?
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Snowfire;1416385 wrote: Cos of course, thats the only intention of that kind Mr griffin. To keep us all up to date with how multiculturalism is going. He wouldn't want to be branded a racist.
That wouldn't be good for the image would it
Why would Nick Griffin object to that. Are you suggesting that he and the BNP does not have a racial agenda ?
The point of my OP was his prediction given Immigration figures over the last ten years and birth rates. Making a prediction that newspapers now report as true Is not racist. He made a prediction.
That wouldn't be good for the image would it
Why would Nick Griffin object to that. Are you suggesting that he and the BNP does not have a racial agenda ?
The point of my OP was his prediction given Immigration figures over the last ten years and birth rates. Making a prediction that newspapers now report as true Is not racist. He made a prediction.
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Surely your not suggesting that Nick griffin is merely making predictions, purely for the sake of it. So now the BNP are merely in the reporting business and not politics.
Bruv made a particularly good point. Nick Griffin clearly has racist tendencies, thats the whole point of the BNP movement, regardless of any "acceptable" policies. We can find "acceptable" policies anywhere. The very fact that he needs to publicly predict the outcome of multiculturalism, means he finds it objectionable, hence racist
Bruv made a particularly good point. Nick Griffin clearly has racist tendencies, thats the whole point of the BNP movement, regardless of any "acceptable" policies. We can find "acceptable" policies anywhere. The very fact that he needs to publicly predict the outcome of multiculturalism, means he finds it objectionable, hence racist
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Snowfire;1416401 wrote: Surely your not suggesting that Nick griffin is merely making predictions, purely for the sake of it. So now the BNP are merely in the reporting business and not politics.
Bruv made a particularly good point. Nick Griffin clearly has racist tendencies, thats the whole point of the BNP movement, regardless of any "acceptable" policies. We can find "acceptable" policies anywhere. The very fact that he needs to publicly predict the outcome of multiculturalism, means he finds it objectionable, hence racist OK..... so define from these words ' In ten years with Immigration figures and birth rates, part of the UK will see the white British as the minority'....
How are those words racist exactly ?
Bruv made a particularly good point. Nick Griffin clearly has racist tendencies, thats the whole point of the BNP movement, regardless of any "acceptable" policies. We can find "acceptable" policies anywhere. The very fact that he needs to publicly predict the outcome of multiculturalism, means he finds it objectionable, hence racist OK..... so define from these words ' In ten years with Immigration figures and birth rates, part of the UK will see the white British as the minority'....
How are those words racist exactly ?
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oscar;1416439 wrote: OK..... so define from these words ' In ten years with Immigration figures and birth rates, part of the UK will see the white British as the minority'....
How are those words racist exactly ?
I don't know how to help you. Both Bruvs post and my subsequent posts explain this clearly. If someone finds multiculturism objectionable to the point of a) creating a party to object and prevent or b) join a party to help object and prevent, to my mind is by default, racist.
I see no other way to define it.
Nick Griffin isnt in the business of merely reporting immigration figures for our entertainment. There is an agenda
How are those words racist exactly ?
I don't know how to help you. Both Bruvs post and my subsequent posts explain this clearly. If someone finds multiculturism objectionable to the point of a) creating a party to object and prevent or b) join a party to help object and prevent, to my mind is by default, racist.
I see no other way to define it.
Nick Griffin isnt in the business of merely reporting immigration figures for our entertainment. There is an agenda
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Snowfire;1416442 wrote: I don't know how to help you. Both Bruvs post and my subsequent posts explain this clearly. If someone finds multiculturism objectionable to the point of a) creating a party to object and prevent or b) join a party to help object and prevent, to my mind is by default, racist.
I see no other way to define it.
Nick Griffin isnt in the business of merely reporting immigration figures for our entertainment. There is an agenda
So what's the agenda?
I see no other way to define it.
Nick Griffin isnt in the business of merely reporting immigration figures for our entertainment. There is an agenda
So what's the agenda?
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oscar;1416453 wrote: So what's the agenda?
I'm done.
I don't know how many posts it takes to explain the point I think you already know. It aint brain science or rocket surgery
I'm done.
I don't know how many posts it takes to explain the point I think you already know. It aint brain science or rocket surgery
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Snowfire;1416456 wrote: I'm done.
I don't know how many posts it takes to explain the point I think you already know. It aint brain science or rocket surgery
:wah::wah::wah:
I'll leave It there then... but only because I like you. :wah:
I don't know how many posts it takes to explain the point I think you already know. It aint brain science or rocket surgery
:wah::wah::wah:
I'll leave It there then... but only because I like you. :wah:
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They are a racist party and Sadly religious extremist in islam is the one thing that will gain them more and more support and they know it.
As a concept I have no problem with multiculturalism (we live in a multicultural country anyway and always have done) but what do you do when some of those will not buy in to the concept of freedom and equality for all? The BNP is a racist party, there are also groups out there that are religious bigots and causing problems but we can't have a rational discussion about it because it is a) anti-religion or B) A plus being racist.
I find religious bigotry offensive. Believe what you want but don't claim the moral high ground because when it comes right down to it there is no freedom where religion holds sway, and if there is they are out to curtail it for non believers.
Now we have right wing christians banding with fundamentalist muslims to preach discrimination against homosexuality. I can't understand the appeal myself but I don't really care who you do so long as it is between consenting adults. Given half a chance they would both probably like to see the clock wound back and women forbidden from using contraception and back to the good old days when single mothers were pariahs aided an abetted by the tories all in the name of traditional family values.
I think we should ban schools set up on religious grounds, C of E, cathic, muslim. take religion out of school altogether except as the study of comparative religion and stop pandering to bronze age religious beliefs.
As a concept I have no problem with multiculturalism (we live in a multicultural country anyway and always have done) but what do you do when some of those will not buy in to the concept of freedom and equality for all? The BNP is a racist party, there are also groups out there that are religious bigots and causing problems but we can't have a rational discussion about it because it is a) anti-religion or B) A plus being racist.
I find religious bigotry offensive. Believe what you want but don't claim the moral high ground because when it comes right down to it there is no freedom where religion holds sway, and if there is they are out to curtail it for non believers.
Now we have right wing christians banding with fundamentalist muslims to preach discrimination against homosexuality. I can't understand the appeal myself but I don't really care who you do so long as it is between consenting adults. Given half a chance they would both probably like to see the clock wound back and women forbidden from using contraception and back to the good old days when single mothers were pariahs aided an abetted by the tories all in the name of traditional family values.
I think we should ban schools set up on religious grounds, C of E, cathic, muslim. take religion out of school altogether except as the study of comparative religion and stop pandering to bronze age religious beliefs.
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It's a funny old world....
I remember about 2 years ago Nick talking about Tory and Labour Ministers being child abusers and what do you now ????
Arrests are Imminent !!!!
Police seize VIP list in dawn raid: Politicians, MI5 agent, Royal aide and pop stars all named - Mirror Online
I also remember someone telling me that Nick Griffin was about as honest as a politician this country would ever see.
People may not like his policies but my god, he knows what he's talking about !!!!
I remember about 2 years ago Nick talking about Tory and Labour Ministers being child abusers and what do you now ????
Arrests are Imminent !!!!
Police seize VIP list in dawn raid: Politicians, MI5 agent, Royal aide and pop stars all named - Mirror Online
I also remember someone telling me that Nick Griffin was about as honest as a politician this country would ever see.
People may not like his policies but my god, he knows what he's talking about !!!!
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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oscar;1417281 wrote:
People may not like his policies but my god, he knows what he's talking about !!!!
There is also a Labour MP, a prominent Irish republican and a leading National Front member.
Police seize VIP list in dawn raid: Politicians, MI5 agent, Royal aide and pop stars all named - Mirror Online
Cos he was there.......allegedly ?
People may not like his policies but my god, he knows what he's talking about !!!!
There is also a Labour MP, a prominent Irish republican and a leading National Front member.
Police seize VIP list in dawn raid: Politicians, MI5 agent, Royal aide and pop stars all named - Mirror Online
Cos he was there.......allegedly ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1417292 wrote: Police seize VIP list in dawn raid: Politicians, MI5 agent, Royal aide and pop stars all named - Mirror Online
Cos he was there.......allegedly ?
He said It was happening In the Tory and Labour Party that's all. I don't know how he knew that long ago but It's just something he said was going on.
I'll be very Interested to see If the arrests bear out.
Cos he was there.......allegedly ?
He said It was happening In the Tory and Labour Party that's all. I don't know how he knew that long ago but It's just something he said was going on.
I'll be very Interested to see If the arrests bear out.
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oscar;1416084 wrote: In 2006 Nick Griffin, leader of the Far Right was charged with Inciting Racial hatred for warning that Asian Peadophile gangs were grooming and raping white British girls as young as 11 years old. He was declared not guilty by trial by Jury.... today, the courts continue to convict more members of Asian peado gangs and a senior police spokesperson now admits that they knew this was happening over 10 years ago...
Nick Griffin was also branded racist a decade ago when he warned that In cities, white British would be the minority....
Today's news
White Britons are now a minority in Leicester, Luton and Slough and Birmingham is set to follow by end of decade | Mail Online
He also warned that when the White British became the minority In major cities, there would ' white flight ' leaving cities unregonisable as British.
How Ironic that newspapers are reporting this and the Asian trials when they branded him a racist and delusional... I don't often quote myself but here we go... today's news...
When I wrote this post nearly 2 weeks ago, I had no Idea this was coming up...
Hmmmmmmmmm
British families 'self-segregate' as whites abandon urban areas for countryside | Mail Online
Nick Griffin was also branded racist a decade ago when he warned that In cities, white British would be the minority....
Today's news
White Britons are now a minority in Leicester, Luton and Slough and Birmingham is set to follow by end of decade | Mail Online
He also warned that when the White British became the minority In major cities, there would ' white flight ' leaving cities unregonisable as British.
How Ironic that newspapers are reporting this and the Asian trials when they branded him a racist and delusional... I don't often quote myself but here we go... today's news...
When I wrote this post nearly 2 weeks ago, I had no Idea this was coming up...
Hmmmmmmmmm
British families 'self-segregate' as whites abandon urban areas for countryside | Mail Online
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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'White flight' has been going on for years.
It's what happens as they become more affluent and look for a better way of life outside the confines of the cities.
I could have been described as a white flight statistic in the 70's, the area I came from is now very cosmopolitain.
Most immigrants go to areas of mass population for work purposes, then tend to congregate in 'ghetto' type communities, the Mail would say.
Strange enough as the West Indians from just up the road to where I was born became affluent, they are now leaving the city for life in the countryside too
It's what happens as they become more affluent and look for a better way of life outside the confines of the cities.
I could have been described as a white flight statistic in the 70's, the area I came from is now very cosmopolitain.
Most immigrants go to areas of mass population for work purposes, then tend to congregate in 'ghetto' type communities, the Mail would say.
Strange enough as the West Indians from just up the road to where I was born became affluent, they are now leaving the city for life in the countryside too
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Prediction...
oscar;1417985 wrote: I don't often quote myself but here we go... today's news...
When I wrote this post nearly 2 weeks ago, I had no Idea this was coming up...
Hmmmmmmmmm
British families 'self-segregate' as whites abandon urban areas for countryside | Mail Online
If you look at what's happening "on the ground" you'd see the opposite.
Where, many years ago, the inner city areas were the sink holes for the new wave of immigration, those same areas are now providing homes for British families who can no longer afford to buy where they grew up.
It would make a far better headline than "Brits move to the countryside" - I'm surprised that the rags haven't picked up on it.
When I wrote this post nearly 2 weeks ago, I had no Idea this was coming up...
Hmmmmmmmmm
British families 'self-segregate' as whites abandon urban areas for countryside | Mail Online
If you look at what's happening "on the ground" you'd see the opposite.
Where, many years ago, the inner city areas were the sink holes for the new wave of immigration, those same areas are now providing homes for British families who can no longer afford to buy where they grew up.
It would make a far better headline than "Brits move to the countryside" - I'm surprised that the rags haven't picked up on it.
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White flight Is not about white British moving to the countryside because they have become more affluent. In recession especially, property Is not moving.
White flight Is when, as the census showed, the White British becomes the minority In major towns and cities and we feel alienated and disenfranchised, even suffering a sense of Injustice when It appears we are last In line for resources.
I can relate to this when each year I man the poppy stall In Easton, Bristol for the week.
Although I don't have a problem per say, I'd be a liar If I didn't say that I've felt extremely odd even forgiven for thinking I was In a different country. There Is a certain uncomfortableness about not recognising nor understanding a word from the people around you.
According to research published by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation.
The report, which interviewed white working class people in Birmingham, Coventry and London found they felt disconnected from the political process and felt their voices were not heard.
Participants complained they could not express their opinions “because they're 'racist†or representatives in local government were not listening to them.
One woman from Aston said: “They are all Asian at the council – it's like no one can understand us. It's hard, a joke round here, I hate it.â€
Some also complained resources were closed off to them and there was a widespread perception that those in other communities had preferential treatment for council houses.
White Working Class Britons Feel Alienated And Disenfranchised, Claims Joseph Rowntree Foundation Report
White flight Is when, as the census showed, the White British becomes the minority In major towns and cities and we feel alienated and disenfranchised, even suffering a sense of Injustice when It appears we are last In line for resources.
I can relate to this when each year I man the poppy stall In Easton, Bristol for the week.
Although I don't have a problem per say, I'd be a liar If I didn't say that I've felt extremely odd even forgiven for thinking I was In a different country. There Is a certain uncomfortableness about not recognising nor understanding a word from the people around you.
According to research published by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation.
The report, which interviewed white working class people in Birmingham, Coventry and London found they felt disconnected from the political process and felt their voices were not heard.
Participants complained they could not express their opinions “because they're 'racist†or representatives in local government were not listening to them.
One woman from Aston said: “They are all Asian at the council – it's like no one can understand us. It's hard, a joke round here, I hate it.â€
Some also complained resources were closed off to them and there was a widespread perception that those in other communities had preferential treatment for council houses.
White Working Class Britons Feel Alienated And Disenfranchised, Claims Joseph Rowntree Foundation Report
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
Prediction...
oscar;1418032 wrote: White flight Is not about white British moving to the countryside because they have become more affluent. In recession especially, property Is not moving.
White flight Is when, as the census showed, the White British becomes the minority In major towns and cities and we feel alienated and disenfranchised, even suffering a sense of Injustice when It appears we are last In line for resources.
I can relate to this when each year I man the poppy stall In Easton, Bristol for the week.
Although I don't have a problem per say, I'd be a liar If I didn't say that I've felt extremely odd even forgiven for thinking I was In a different country. There Is a certain uncomfortableness about not recognising nor understanding a word from the people around you.
According to research published by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation.
The report, which interviewed white working class people in Birmingham, Coventry and London found they felt disconnected from the political process and felt their voices were not heard.
Participants complained they could not express their opinions “because they're 'racist†or representatives in local government were not listening to them.
One woman from Aston said: “They are all Asian at the council – it's like no one can understand us. It's hard, a joke round here, I hate it.â€
Some also complained resources were closed off to them and there was a widespread perception that those in other communities had preferential treatment for council houses.
White Working Class Britons Feel Alienated And Disenfranchised, Claims Joseph Rowntree Foundation Report
Why try to tie the feelings of disconnection to race - people feel disconnected from politics because they have little or no influence in the way we are governed at a national level. We have a single vote that is taken as a mandate for whatever the party wants to dream up over the next five years. People feel that their voices are not being heard because their voices are not being heard - at a national level, not at the local level.
Why choose Birmingham, Coventry and London? White British have been a minority in Leicester for some years - ask there and you'll find very little by way of racial tension. Yes, there is a widespread perception that those in other communities had preferential treatment for council houses - the Muslims claim they go to the Hundus, the Afro-Caribbeans claim they go to the Muslims, the White British claim they go to the Eastern Europeans .... That is the way of the world - if people don't have something to moan at then they invent it and everyone's got it rougher than the other guy.
A silly but true story. Many years ago some friends and I went on a ride out to Matlock. On the ride home in an utter downpour we became separated and the group I was with ended up in Sheffield, completely the opposite direction to home. Running low on petrol we pulled into a service station only to find that we neither recognised nor understood a word the people around us were saying - it was, as you say, most disconcerting and I was convinced that they were Dutch. It was only after a few minutes we realised how broad the Yorkshire accent was and managed to negotiate for some fuel to get us home.
People have different faces but we're all the same underneath - get used to it and move on.
White flight Is when, as the census showed, the White British becomes the minority In major towns and cities and we feel alienated and disenfranchised, even suffering a sense of Injustice when It appears we are last In line for resources.
I can relate to this when each year I man the poppy stall In Easton, Bristol for the week.
Although I don't have a problem per say, I'd be a liar If I didn't say that I've felt extremely odd even forgiven for thinking I was In a different country. There Is a certain uncomfortableness about not recognising nor understanding a word from the people around you.
According to research published by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation.
The report, which interviewed white working class people in Birmingham, Coventry and London found they felt disconnected from the political process and felt their voices were not heard.
Participants complained they could not express their opinions “because they're 'racist†or representatives in local government were not listening to them.
One woman from Aston said: “They are all Asian at the council – it's like no one can understand us. It's hard, a joke round here, I hate it.â€
Some also complained resources were closed off to them and there was a widespread perception that those in other communities had preferential treatment for council houses.
White Working Class Britons Feel Alienated And Disenfranchised, Claims Joseph Rowntree Foundation Report
Why try to tie the feelings of disconnection to race - people feel disconnected from politics because they have little or no influence in the way we are governed at a national level. We have a single vote that is taken as a mandate for whatever the party wants to dream up over the next five years. People feel that their voices are not being heard because their voices are not being heard - at a national level, not at the local level.
Why choose Birmingham, Coventry and London? White British have been a minority in Leicester for some years - ask there and you'll find very little by way of racial tension. Yes, there is a widespread perception that those in other communities had preferential treatment for council houses - the Muslims claim they go to the Hundus, the Afro-Caribbeans claim they go to the Muslims, the White British claim they go to the Eastern Europeans .... That is the way of the world - if people don't have something to moan at then they invent it and everyone's got it rougher than the other guy.
A silly but true story. Many years ago some friends and I went on a ride out to Matlock. On the ride home in an utter downpour we became separated and the group I was with ended up in Sheffield, completely the opposite direction to home. Running low on petrol we pulled into a service station only to find that we neither recognised nor understood a word the people around us were saying - it was, as you say, most disconcerting and I was convinced that they were Dutch. It was only after a few minutes we realised how broad the Yorkshire accent was and managed to negotiate for some fuel to get us home.
People have different faces but we're all the same underneath - get used to it and move on.
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Bryn Mawr;1418050 wrote:
People have different faces but we're all the same underneath - get used to it and move on.
And where does It stop Bryn ? At what stage by birthrates alone does Britain become Muslim? Sorry but those who think It will never happen are not looking far enough Into the future.
This article Is 5 years old but raises some good points.
Consider first at a few chilling statistics. Europeans are failing to reproduce. Just to keep the population steady, you need 2.1 live births per woman.
However, in 2005, the European average was 1.38. In Ireland it was 1.9, France 1.89, Germany 1.35 and Italy 1.23. Britain scored in the middle of this range with 1.6, but that was because - like France - we have a large Muslim population with a high birth rate. Indeed, Muslims are outbreeding non-Muslims throughout Europe.
"Just look at the development within Europe," said a triumphant Norwegian imam a few months ago, "where the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes. Every Western woman in the EU is producing an average of 1.4 children. Every Muslim woman in the same countries is producing 3.5 children. Our way of thinking will prove more powerful than yours."
And before anyone says that there would be nothing wrong if this happened, since the vast majority of Muslims are tolerant people who would not dream of interfering with our way of life, it's necessary to point out that in Muslim countries, it's usually the radicals and extremist mullahs - who regard tolerance as a vice - who make the running.
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People have different faces but we're all the same underneath - get used to it and move on.
And where does It stop Bryn ? At what stage by birthrates alone does Britain become Muslim? Sorry but those who think It will never happen are not looking far enough Into the future.
This article Is 5 years old but raises some good points.
Consider first at a few chilling statistics. Europeans are failing to reproduce. Just to keep the population steady, you need 2.1 live births per woman.
However, in 2005, the European average was 1.38. In Ireland it was 1.9, France 1.89, Germany 1.35 and Italy 1.23. Britain scored in the middle of this range with 1.6, but that was because - like France - we have a large Muslim population with a high birth rate. Indeed, Muslims are outbreeding non-Muslims throughout Europe.
"Just look at the development within Europe," said a triumphant Norwegian imam a few months ago, "where the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes. Every Western woman in the EU is producing an average of 1.4 children. Every Muslim woman in the same countries is producing 3.5 children. Our way of thinking will prove more powerful than yours."
And before anyone says that there would be nothing wrong if this happened, since the vast majority of Muslims are tolerant people who would not dream of interfering with our way of life, it's necessary to point out that in Muslim countries, it's usually the radicals and extremist mullahs - who regard tolerance as a vice - who make the running.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... 2JJTLRfG6Â*
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
Read more: Will Britain one day be Muslim? | Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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oscar;1418082 wrote: And where does It stop Bryn ? At what stage by birthrates alone does Britain become Muslim? Sorry but those who think It will never happen are not looking far enough Into the future.
Simple, when my grandchildren have grandchildren - do the maths!
Simple, when my grandchildren have grandchildren - do the maths!
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I am no historian, how many times do I have to say that ?
GMC will be along and tell us of the many different waves of immigrants that were going to alter our way of life beyond belief.
Think Hugenots are often mentioned, I remember the first Sikhs going door to door selling ties if my memory serves me right, and the 'bloody' jews of course, before them.
Many families now have a west indian somewhere these days, who support England at football and West Indies at cricket, who wouldn't know what peas and rice was if it bit their booty.
I know Muslims are the latest scourge, but it worries me that the propaganda is almost interchangeable with Goebbles at his best or worse.
GMC will be along and tell us of the many different waves of immigrants that were going to alter our way of life beyond belief.
Think Hugenots are often mentioned, I remember the first Sikhs going door to door selling ties if my memory serves me right, and the 'bloody' jews of course, before them.
Many families now have a west indian somewhere these days, who support England at football and West Indies at cricket, who wouldn't know what peas and rice was if it bit their booty.
I know Muslims are the latest scourge, but it worries me that the propaganda is almost interchangeable with Goebbles at his best or worse.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth