Microchip for every new pup: Millions face £35 bill as ministers unveil hi-tech scheme to tackle the scourge of dangerous dogs | Mail Online
Is It just me who can see the flaw here?
If you have just bred a litter of Pitbull's that you are about to sell to gang members ( Yes, there's a lot of It going on In Britain )... you are hardly going to pop to the vet and have your address micro-chipped Into the puppies.....
Just another stupid Idea that will only be used by the responsible and not the reckless.
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The article seems to cover the arguments rather nicely.
I agree that this will just be another bureaucratic boondoggle, doomed to fail at its stated mission.
I just wonder while everyone insists on bringing up pitbulls as the "dangerous animals" that need tracking.
Unless they are brutalized and trained to be fighters, they are generally of very sweet disposition. Much unlike Cocker Spaniels, and some other popular breeds.
I agree that this will just be another bureaucratic boondoggle, doomed to fail at its stated mission.
I just wonder while everyone insists on bringing up pitbulls as the "dangerous animals" that need tracking.
Unless they are brutalized and trained to be fighters, they are generally of very sweet disposition. Much unlike Cocker Spaniels, and some other popular breeds.
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I have no desire to contribute toward the cost of policing this nonsense. The aim of such legislation is adrift, the law should simply say that any vet treating any dog which isn't microchipped will be struck off the register of practitioners. I bet there'd be a far wider compliance as well as reduced cost to the general (as opposed to dog-owning) public.
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LarsMac;1391778 wrote: The article seems to cover the arguments rather nicely.
I agree that this will just be another bureaucratic boondoggle, doomed to fail at its stated mission.
I just wonder while everyone insists on bringing up pitbulls as the "dangerous animals" that need tracking.
Unless they are brutalized and trained to be fighters, they are generally of very sweet disposition. Much unlike Cocker Spaniels, and some other popular breeds.
I totally agree with you.
As a nation the UK Is relatively ' Dangerous dog ' free..... that Is, the breeds that are deemed dangerous by the so called experts. So here, I'll just quote Cesar Millan....
" In the 70's they blamed the Alsation
In the 80's. they blamed the Doberman
In the 90's they blamed the Rottweiller
In 2000 they blamed the Pit Bull
When are they going to blame the owners? "
Being Involved with one of the largest UK re-homing charities ( Dogs Trust ) I do know that more and more Pitt Bull's are being seized by police and being destroyed as they are bred for gang warfare. There Is also a fair share of Illegal dog fighting In the UK also
Pitbull
My solution would be to de-demonise the so called dangerous breeds and let the police concentrate on busting the gangs not the dogs.
I agree that this will just be another bureaucratic boondoggle, doomed to fail at its stated mission.
I just wonder while everyone insists on bringing up pitbulls as the "dangerous animals" that need tracking.
Unless they are brutalized and trained to be fighters, they are generally of very sweet disposition. Much unlike Cocker Spaniels, and some other popular breeds.
I totally agree with you.
As a nation the UK Is relatively ' Dangerous dog ' free..... that Is, the breeds that are deemed dangerous by the so called experts. So here, I'll just quote Cesar Millan....
" In the 70's they blamed the Alsation
In the 80's. they blamed the Doberman
In the 90's they blamed the Rottweiller
In 2000 they blamed the Pit Bull
When are they going to blame the owners? "
Being Involved with one of the largest UK re-homing charities ( Dogs Trust ) I do know that more and more Pitt Bull's are being seized by police and being destroyed as they are bred for gang warfare. There Is also a fair share of Illegal dog fighting In the UK also
Pitbull
My solution would be to de-demonise the so called dangerous breeds and let the police concentrate on busting the gangs not the dogs.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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Both my dogs are micro-chipped - not least in case they get lost or pinched - pups and the like get pinched for use in training fighting dogs not just because they are cute and fluffy. It's a daft idea, responsible owners already get them chipped and the irresponsible ones won't bother. If they could think of an effective way to deal with irresponsible owners that would be better. The dogs trust where I got our latest pup had an american bulldog (looking remarkably like a pit-bull) with it's seven pups it had been cross bred with a Rhodesian ridge back. Being charitable maybe they were trying to breed out the genetic defects caused by inbreeding but I go for A) the owner of both dogs was an idiot B) it was an attempt to breed a fighting dog. The pups were already 24inches at the shoulder. In the right hands they will be OK and the dogs trust vet the owners and insist on castration for the males and speying for the female but it's not a dog I would like to have as a family pet.
Most of the bites are from smaller breeds that tend not to hit the national press, the highest number from Labrador apparently yet no one sees them as dangerous despite being very powerful heavy dogs. I know several responsible Alsation owners with well trained socialised dogs, I also know a couple where I think there is a case for removing the dog and banning the owner from having a dog in the future. It's the owners at fault. I nearly came to blows with one owner who made no effort to stop his dog attacking mine until it dawned on him his was losing. It's not that hard to tell the difference between dogs playing or having a real fight or when one is going to rip another to bits if it can unless you are a complete idiot.
Most of the bites are from smaller breeds that tend not to hit the national press, the highest number from Labrador apparently yet no one sees them as dangerous despite being very powerful heavy dogs. I know several responsible Alsation owners with well trained socialised dogs, I also know a couple where I think there is a case for removing the dog and banning the owner from having a dog in the future. It's the owners at fault. I nearly came to blows with one owner who made no effort to stop his dog attacking mine until it dawned on him his was losing. It's not that hard to tell the difference between dogs playing or having a real fight or when one is going to rip another to bits if it can unless you are a complete idiot.
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gmc;1391784 wrote: the dogs trust vet the owners and insist on castration for the males and speying for the femaleMy word they're tough on owners in Scotland!
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gmc;1391784 wrote: Both my dogs are micro-chipped - not least in case they get lost or pinched - pups and the like get pinched for use in training fighting dogs not just because they are cute and fluffy. It's a daft idea, responsible owners already get them chipped and the irresponsible ones won't bother. If they could think of an effective way to deal with irresponsible owners that would be better. The dogs trust where I got our latest pup had an american bulldog (looking remarkably like a pit-bull) with it's seven pups it had been cross bred with a Rhodesian ridge back. Being charitable maybe they were trying to breed out the genetic defects caused by inbreeding but I go for A) the owner of both dogs was an idiot B) it was an attempt to breed a fighting dog. The pups were already 24inches at the shoulder. In the right hands they will be OK and the dogs trust vet the owners and insist on castration for the males and speying for the female but it's not a dog I would like to have as a family pet.
Most of the bites are from smaller breeds that tend not to hit the national press, the highest number from Labrador apparently yet no one sees them as dangerous despite being very powerful heavy dogs. I know several responsible Alsation owners with well trained socialised dogs, I also know a couple where I think there is a case for removing the dog and banning the owner from having a dog in the future. It's the owners at fault. I nearly came to blows with one owner who made no effort to stop his dog attacking mine until it dawned on him his was losing. It's not that hard to tell the difference between dogs playing or having a real fight or when one is going to rip another to bits if it can unless you are a complete idiot.
Very well said Auld Yin...
The cross American Bulldog and the Ridgeback ???? What an Idiotic cross, I agree with you... No-one In their right minds puts those two together for good reasons. The former Is bred to guard, the latter Is bred as a hunting dog... years ago, they were used to bring down animals In a hunt as large as Zebra.
One of my rescue's over the years was the result of some moron crossing a Rottweiller with a German Shepard........ The result was a dog so powerful It could drag my husband Into traffic and had a pathological hatred of anyone on a bicycle that she could spot a mile away. She ate my husbands shed and although I managed to train her Into some form of acceptable behaviour In polite company, she was not to be trusted. Just her size alone caused all manner of problems. EG... having to apologise profusely to some poor man who she bowled off his feet on the Sussex Downs sending him rolling uncontrollably down a flint hill Into a muddy ditch.
Most of the bites are from smaller breeds that tend not to hit the national press, the highest number from Labrador apparently yet no one sees them as dangerous despite being very powerful heavy dogs. I know several responsible Alsation owners with well trained socialised dogs, I also know a couple where I think there is a case for removing the dog and banning the owner from having a dog in the future. It's the owners at fault. I nearly came to blows with one owner who made no effort to stop his dog attacking mine until it dawned on him his was losing. It's not that hard to tell the difference between dogs playing or having a real fight or when one is going to rip another to bits if it can unless you are a complete idiot.
Very well said Auld Yin...
The cross American Bulldog and the Ridgeback ???? What an Idiotic cross, I agree with you... No-one In their right minds puts those two together for good reasons. The former Is bred to guard, the latter Is bred as a hunting dog... years ago, they were used to bring down animals In a hunt as large as Zebra.
One of my rescue's over the years was the result of some moron crossing a Rottweiller with a German Shepard........ The result was a dog so powerful It could drag my husband Into traffic and had a pathological hatred of anyone on a bicycle that she could spot a mile away. She ate my husbands shed and although I managed to train her Into some form of acceptable behaviour In polite company, she was not to be trusted. Just her size alone caused all manner of problems. EG... having to apologise profusely to some poor man who she bowled off his feet on the Sussex Downs sending him rolling uncontrollably down a flint hill Into a muddy ditch.
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Hahahahha My newfys used to do that ...very funny .
I can't see why any dog breeder would pay those costs on a puppy that they don't know whether they'll live or die. We have to micro chip our dogs and cats if we want to register them or we have them spayed (in the price of the spaying). If they are picked up by the pound and they are chipped they are returned ....if they are not registered and the pound finds you then it's a $200 to $300 fine ...cheaper to register and have microchipped. But on a puppy? That's just silly.
I can't see why any dog breeder would pay those costs on a puppy that they don't know whether they'll live or die. We have to micro chip our dogs and cats if we want to register them or we have them spayed (in the price of the spaying). If they are picked up by the pound and they are chipped they are returned ....if they are not registered and the pound finds you then it's a $200 to $300 fine ...cheaper to register and have microchipped. But on a puppy? That's just silly.
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Mr Millan's comment is worthy of note for another reason.
Those breeds were popular in those days.
So the popular breed gets picked up by a bunch of ninnies who have no business owning dogs, and we are flush with poorly trained, poorly cared for dogs of whatever the popular breed of the day might be.
Those breeds were popular in those days.
So the popular breed gets picked up by a bunch of ninnies who have no business owning dogs, and we are flush with poorly trained, poorly cared for dogs of whatever the popular breed of the day might be.
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spot;1391786 wrote: My word they're tough on owners in Scotland!
I phrased that rather badly didn't I. Of course I mean the dogs, mind you some of the owners might benefit.
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One of my rescue's over the years was the result of some moron crossing a Rottweiller with a German Shepard........ The result was a dog so powerful It could drag my husband Into traffic and had a pathological hatred of anyone on a bicycle that she could spot a mile away. She ate my husbands shed and although I managed to train her Into some form of acceptable behaviour In polite company, she was not to be trusted. Just her size alone caused all manner of problems. EG... having to apologise profusely to some poor man who she bowled off his feet on the Sussex Downs sending him rolling uncontrollably down a flint hill Into a muddy ditch.
One of the people I meet regularly has just such a cross. Nice big friendly dog which is probably just as well given the sheer power and weight of it. Another has a dog de bordeaux oup also very friendly but being greeted by a 6 stone pup is an experience in itself. Personally i wouldn't have a dog I couldn't physically restrain if I had to. You're lucky he chose not to report it. I have an acquaintance with a staffie cross - a malicious neighbour reported it as being vicious after her pug went for it with the result that you might expect. She has also made the same accusation about mine, it's actually a concern that someone can make an accusation without any real foundation and cause problems.
I phrased that rather badly didn't I. Of course I mean the dogs, mind you some of the owners might benefit.
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One of my rescue's over the years was the result of some moron crossing a Rottweiller with a German Shepard........ The result was a dog so powerful It could drag my husband Into traffic and had a pathological hatred of anyone on a bicycle that she could spot a mile away. She ate my husbands shed and although I managed to train her Into some form of acceptable behaviour In polite company, she was not to be trusted. Just her size alone caused all manner of problems. EG... having to apologise profusely to some poor man who she bowled off his feet on the Sussex Downs sending him rolling uncontrollably down a flint hill Into a muddy ditch.
One of the people I meet regularly has just such a cross. Nice big friendly dog which is probably just as well given the sheer power and weight of it. Another has a dog de bordeaux oup also very friendly but being greeted by a 6 stone pup is an experience in itself. Personally i wouldn't have a dog I couldn't physically restrain if I had to. You're lucky he chose not to report it. I have an acquaintance with a staffie cross - a malicious neighbour reported it as being vicious after her pug went for it with the result that you might expect. She has also made the same accusation about mine, it's actually a concern that someone can make an accusation without any real foundation and cause problems.
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gmc;1391896 wrote: I phrased that rather badly didn't I. Of course I mean the dogs, mind you some of the owners might benefit.
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One of the people I meet regularly has just such a cross. Nice big friendly dog which is probably just as well given the sheer power and weight of it. Another has a dog de bordeaux oup also very friendly but being greeted by a 6 stone pup is an experience in itself. Personally i wouldn't have a dog I couldn't physically restrain if I had to. You're lucky he chose not to report it. I have an acquaintance with a staffie cross - a malicious neighbour reported it as being vicious after her pug went for it with the result that you might expect. She has also made the same accusation about mine, it's actually a concern that someone can make an accusation without any real foundation and cause problems.
All my rescue's have been big dogs and I agree, being unable to control a wall of pure muscle Is scary. I had my own policy that when taking a rescue large dog, he didn't leave my four walls until I was convinced he understood the concept of recall.
This pic ( click to enlarge ) Is one of the beauty's I rescued. He came with the name Champ but the locals called him 'The Wolf'. You can tell this was the 70's by those groovy flares and vynal furnature ( Yuk ).
I have to say, he ended up as one of the most obedient, loving dogs I ever had...
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One of the people I meet regularly has just such a cross. Nice big friendly dog which is probably just as well given the sheer power and weight of it. Another has a dog de bordeaux oup also very friendly but being greeted by a 6 stone pup is an experience in itself. Personally i wouldn't have a dog I couldn't physically restrain if I had to. You're lucky he chose not to report it. I have an acquaintance with a staffie cross - a malicious neighbour reported it as being vicious after her pug went for it with the result that you might expect. She has also made the same accusation about mine, it's actually a concern that someone can make an accusation without any real foundation and cause problems.
All my rescue's have been big dogs and I agree, being unable to control a wall of pure muscle Is scary. I had my own policy that when taking a rescue large dog, he didn't leave my four walls until I was convinced he understood the concept of recall.
This pic ( click to enlarge ) Is one of the beauty's I rescued. He came with the name Champ but the locals called him 'The Wolf'. You can tell this was the 70's by those groovy flares and vynal furnature ( Yuk ).
I have to say, he ended up as one of the most obedient, loving dogs I ever had...
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