Ah yes, the winning of hearts and minds.
Afghan President: American Kills 16 in Shooting - YouTube
Why are we there again?
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
-
AnneBoleyn
- Posts: 6631
- Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:17 pm
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
Just heard this a minute ago. Why are we there? Good question. Once bin Laden was offed, I believe we achieved our original goal. But I don't think the lives of women & children are worth what a bunch of korans are, right? I'd better say LOL now, before anyone thinks that was meant seriously.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
The reason we're there is the energy resources of the region and further north the goodies in South Central Asia. Just how and when we will ever accomplish the corporations goals is a mystery to me.
There will be repercussions for this. On what scale I don't know.
There will be repercussions for this. On what scale I don't know.
-
AnneBoleyn
- Posts: 6631
- Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:17 pm
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
The reason we're there is the energy resources of the region
Oh I get it. Like all that cheap gasoline we now enjoy thanks to the Bush/Cheney incursion into Iraq. That makes it all okay.
Oh I get it. Like all that cheap gasoline we now enjoy thanks to the Bush/Cheney incursion into Iraq. That makes it all okay.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
I don't see the slightest difference between this and what a remote pilot of a drone missile strike achieves, other than this chap by definition behaved more bravely than the remote pilot could possibly have done. Perhaps someone would like to take the time to explain how they differ.
BBC News - Hague sued over US drone strikes in Pakistan for example.
BBC News - Hague sued over US drone strikes in Pakistan for example.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
-
AnneBoleyn
- Posts: 6631
- Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:17 pm
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
I reject your argument, spot. This soldier went nuts, did this seemingly spontaneously. Drone attacks are planned. This soldier is a murderer, a serial killer. He's not brave at all. How is it brave to attack unarmed people? Oh, I know you can say the same of the drones that certainly have killed innocents, the ones called "collateral damage" (hate that term). You don't have to be brave to operate a drone. It's not a Red Badge of Courage (I don't know if you are familiar with the book, about the Civil War) situation. But you are sure right about this--to the dead victims, there's no difference at all--I'm really disgusted & horrified by this, being of the Vietnam generation, how is this different from My Lai? I want to hear everything available about this soldier, wouldn't be surprised if he abused family members, killed pets as a child. You really won't find me being an apologist for soldiers. I resent when I'm told over & over by media they are "fighting for our freedom". No, they are not, & as far as I can see, have not since WWII. They sure weren't fighting for me in SE Asia, nor any conflict since. I approved going into Afghanistan only, with the object to kill bin Laden only. That's been achieved, mission accomplished, time to get out of Dodge.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
AnneBoleyn;1387239 wrote: I reject your argument, spot. This soldier went nuts, did this seemingly spontaneously. Drone attacks are planned. This soldier is a murderer, a serial killer. He's not brave at all. How is it brave to attack unarmed people? Oh, I know you can say the same of the drones that certainly have killed innocents, the ones called "collateral damage" (hate that term). You don't have to be brave to operate a drone. It's not a Red Badge of Courage (I don't know if you are familiar with the book, about the Civil War) situation. But you are sure right about this--to the dead victims, there's no difference at all--I'm really disgusted & horrified by this, being of the Vietnam generation, how is this different from My Lai? I want to hear everything available about this soldier, wouldn't be surprised if he abused family members, killed pets as a child. You really won't find me being an apologist for soldiers. I resent when I'm told over & over by media they are "fighting for our freedom". No, they are not, & as far as I can see, have not since WWII. They sure weren't fighting for me in SE Asia, nor any conflict since. I approved going into Afghanistan only, with the object to kill bin Laden only. That's been achieved, mission accomplished, time to get out of Dodge.
To catch and kill one criminal you approve of invading and destroying a sovereign nation state that had no control over him?
The US gave the Afghan government less than three weeks to hand OBL over before they invaded, how long did it take them to get to him - even after they had control of the country? How many enemies did they make by doing so?
To catch and kill one criminal you approve of invading and destroying a sovereign nation state that had no control over him?
The US gave the Afghan government less than three weeks to hand OBL over before they invaded, how long did it take them to get to him - even after they had control of the country? How many enemies did they make by doing so?
-
Oscar Namechange
- Posts: 31840
- Joined: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:26 am
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
Yes Spot, a US soldier has lost the plot. Kerching for Spot.
However, before you make any references to US drones, why Is It any different to Malik Nadal Hasan going berserk at Fort Hood killing 11 and wounding 30 other US troops?
It's human malfunction, nothing more. It happens all around the globe In conflicts.
It's a great shame however.
However, before you make any references to US drones, why Is It any different to Malik Nadal Hasan going berserk at Fort Hood killing 11 and wounding 30 other US troops?
It's human malfunction, nothing more. It happens all around the globe In conflicts.
It's a great shame however.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
Oscar, you are correct. It is a human malfunction but man I would not want to be a soldier walking down the road in Afghanistan now. The repercussions are potentially tremendous. This guy made history. Sadly.
Spot makes a good point but this is way more personal than a drone strike.
Spot makes a good point but this is way more personal than a drone strike.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
Being impersonal makes the indiscriminate killing of bystanders acceptable? Because drone strikes are absolutely guaranteed to kill bystanders and their track record is appalling. I don't see the least benefit in being killed impersonally than in being killed by a man with a rifle bursting into a room and spraying a magazine. Not one farthing's worth of benefit at all.
Killing Osama bin Laden rather than trying him in court says a great deal about so-called American justice. Dead before he can be questioned by impartial investigators, just like Saddam Hussein. Both actions stank to high heaven of national guilt rather than justice.
Killing Osama bin Laden rather than trying him in court says a great deal about so-called American justice. Dead before he can be questioned by impartial investigators, just like Saddam Hussein. Both actions stank to high heaven of national guilt rather than justice.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
Read yesterday more than one soldier was involved plus at least one helicopter.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
-
AnneBoleyn
- Posts: 6631
- Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:17 pm
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
spot:
To catch and kill one criminal you approve of invading and destroying a sovereign nation state that had no control over him?
The US gave the Afghan government less than three weeks to hand OBL over before they invaded, how long did it take them to get to him - even after they had control of the country? How many enemies did they make by doing so?
(From a 2nd post):
Killing Osama bin Laden rather than trying him in court says a great deal about so-called American justice. Dead before he can be questioned by impartial investigators,
Bush effed up the effort to find bin Laden. He even said publicly finding him was no longer an important issue, that it didn't matter. As usual, Bush was wrong. It did matter, it matters today. Killing bin Laden was worth invading Afghanistan. Millions of Americans, right after 9/11, would have signed up including the old & infirm, to see this guy got got. Afghanistan harbored him, & it shouldn't take 3 days, let alone weeks, to hand him over. Of course, as I said, Bush effed up the whole thing. bin Laden could have got got at Tora Bora, at the beginning.
To catch and kill one criminal you approve of invading and destroying a sovereign nation state that had no control over him?
The US gave the Afghan government less than three weeks to hand OBL over before they invaded, how long did it take them to get to him - even after they had control of the country? How many enemies did they make by doing so?
(From a 2nd post):
Killing Osama bin Laden rather than trying him in court says a great deal about so-called American justice. Dead before he can be questioned by impartial investigators,
Bush effed up the effort to find bin Laden. He even said publicly finding him was no longer an important issue, that it didn't matter. As usual, Bush was wrong. It did matter, it matters today. Killing bin Laden was worth invading Afghanistan. Millions of Americans, right after 9/11, would have signed up including the old & infirm, to see this guy got got. Afghanistan harbored him, & it shouldn't take 3 days, let alone weeks, to hand him over. Of course, as I said, Bush effed up the whole thing. bin Laden could have got got at Tora Bora, at the beginning.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
Be interesting to see if they turn him over to stand trial in Afghanistan
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
AnneBoleyn;1387305 wrote: spot:
Bush effed up the effort to find bin Laden. He even said publicly finding him was no longer an important issue, that it didn't matter. As usual, Bush was wrong. It did matter, it matters today. Killing bin Laden was worth invading Afghanistan. Millions of Americans, right after 9/11, would have signed up including the old & infirm, to see this guy got got. Afghanistan harbored him, & it shouldn't take 3 days, let alone weeks, to hand him over. Of course, as I said, Bush effed up the whole thing. bin Laden could have got got at Tora Bora, at the beginning.
How could they hand him over - in three days, three weeks or three months? They did not have him to hand over - he was holed up in Tora Bora and all the US Army failed to dig him out as all the Russian Army had failed before so how do you expect the Afghans to manage it?
Secondly, why do you hold the Afghans responsible for his actions? Why was it worth invading Afghanistan and killing countless Afghans because a Saudi, who built his base in Afghanistan with American support, turned on the US?
Bush effed up the effort to find bin Laden. He even said publicly finding him was no longer an important issue, that it didn't matter. As usual, Bush was wrong. It did matter, it matters today. Killing bin Laden was worth invading Afghanistan. Millions of Americans, right after 9/11, would have signed up including the old & infirm, to see this guy got got. Afghanistan harbored him, & it shouldn't take 3 days, let alone weeks, to hand him over. Of course, as I said, Bush effed up the whole thing. bin Laden could have got got at Tora Bora, at the beginning.
How could they hand him over - in three days, three weeks or three months? They did not have him to hand over - he was holed up in Tora Bora and all the US Army failed to dig him out as all the Russian Army had failed before so how do you expect the Afghans to manage it?
Secondly, why do you hold the Afghans responsible for his actions? Why was it worth invading Afghanistan and killing countless Afghans because a Saudi, who built his base in Afghanistan with American support, turned on the US?
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
gmc;1387310 wrote: Be interesting to see if they turn him over to stand trial in Afghanistan
That's about the only way they'll stop a bloodbath resulting from it.
That's about the only way they'll stop a bloodbath resulting from it.
-
Oscar Namechange
- Posts: 31840
- Joined: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:26 am
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
I heard of channel 4 news tonight that he killer came from the same training barracks In the USA ( can't remember the name ) as two other US troops who have killed Afghan civilians and more bizzarre, they all trained together..... wonder If there was some kind of pact there?
The link Is being Investigated.
US and World News, Breaking News, and Top Headlines | NBC 6 Miami
The link Is being Investigated.
US and World News, Breaking News, and Top Headlines | NBC 6 Miami
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
-
Oscar Namechange
- Posts: 31840
- Joined: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:26 am
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
This Is Interesting.
Apparently he had a brain Injury.
Soldier Held in Afghan Civilian Massacre Had Brain Injury, Marital Problems - ABC News
Apparently he had a brain Injury.
Soldier Held in Afghan Civilian Massacre Had Brain Injury, Marital Problems - ABC News
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
oscar;1387315 wrote: This Is Interesting.
Apparently he had a brain Injury.
Soldier Held in Afghan Civilian Massacre Had Brain Injury, Marital Problems - ABC News
As an excuse it sucks :-
An official told ABC News that the soldier has suffered a mild traumatic brain injury (TBI) in the past, either from hitting his head on the hatch of a vehicle or in a car accident.
Apparently he had a brain Injury.
Soldier Held in Afghan Civilian Massacre Had Brain Injury, Marital Problems - ABC News
As an excuse it sucks :-
An official told ABC News that the soldier has suffered a mild traumatic brain injury (TBI) in the past, either from hitting his head on the hatch of a vehicle or in a car accident.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
AnneBoleyn;1387305 wrote: spot:
Bush effed up the effort to find bin Laden. He even said publicly finding him was no longer an important issue, that it didn't matter. As usual, Bush was wrong. It did matter, it matters today. Killing bin Laden was worth invading Afghanistan. Millions of Americans, right after 9/11, would have signed up including the old & infirm, to see this guy got got. Afghanistan harbored him, & it shouldn't take 3 days, let alone weeks, to hand him over. Of course, as I said, Bush effed up the whole thing. bin Laden could have got got at Tora Bora, at the beginning.
What you're describing is a lynching after you've raised your posse. In England we'd call it Rough Justice, which at least recognizes that any resemblance to Justice is at best an approximation.
An impartial forensic trial of bin Laden and of Saddam Hussein would have been in the interest of the entire planet with the sole exception of the string of White House administrations which had armed and supported both of them during their rise in influence and capability.
Those lynchings were whitewash, not justice. The ultimate loser, once the propaganda hides the reality, is the American public.
Bush effed up the effort to find bin Laden. He even said publicly finding him was no longer an important issue, that it didn't matter. As usual, Bush was wrong. It did matter, it matters today. Killing bin Laden was worth invading Afghanistan. Millions of Americans, right after 9/11, would have signed up including the old & infirm, to see this guy got got. Afghanistan harbored him, & it shouldn't take 3 days, let alone weeks, to hand him over. Of course, as I said, Bush effed up the whole thing. bin Laden could have got got at Tora Bora, at the beginning.
What you're describing is a lynching after you've raised your posse. In England we'd call it Rough Justice, which at least recognizes that any resemblance to Justice is at best an approximation.
An impartial forensic trial of bin Laden and of Saddam Hussein would have been in the interest of the entire planet with the sole exception of the string of White House administrations which had armed and supported both of them during their rise in influence and capability.
Those lynchings were whitewash, not justice. The ultimate loser, once the propaganda hides the reality, is the American public.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
-
AnneBoleyn
- Posts: 6631
- Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:17 pm
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
gmc;1387310 wrote: Be interesting to see if they turn him over to stand trial in Afghanistan
Are you kidding? If it were one of your soldiers who flipped out, do you think your government would hand him over? Not bloody likely!
Are you kidding? If it were one of your soldiers who flipped out, do you think your government would hand him over? Not bloody likely!
-
AnneBoleyn
- Posts: 6631
- Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:17 pm
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
spot:
What you're describing is a lynching after you've raised your posse.
Can't disagree, must be the animal in me. When Obama came on TV that Sunday night to tell us bin Laden dead, I was genuinely happy, & if you knew me, you'd know that is a rare occurance. I was, & still am, overjoyed he has been murdered & dumped in the sea. Maybe it runs in my blood. My grandma, from Odessa, told me the happiest day of her life was when the Czar & his family got what was coming. I "pray" the same will happen with Assad, & he can take his wife with him.
As for Saddam Hussein, USA should never have gone into Iraq, but that was what Georgie B. had in mind well before his first "election." It is not the same.
What you're describing is a lynching after you've raised your posse.
Can't disagree, must be the animal in me. When Obama came on TV that Sunday night to tell us bin Laden dead, I was genuinely happy, & if you knew me, you'd know that is a rare occurance. I was, & still am, overjoyed he has been murdered & dumped in the sea. Maybe it runs in my blood. My grandma, from Odessa, told me the happiest day of her life was when the Czar & his family got what was coming. I "pray" the same will happen with Assad, & he can take his wife with him.
As for Saddam Hussein, USA should never have gone into Iraq, but that was what Georgie B. had in mind well before his first "election." It is not the same.
-
AnneBoleyn
- Posts: 6631
- Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:17 pm
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
Bryn:
Secondly, why do you hold the Afghans responsible for his actions?
First off, I know that the US, involved in the cold war, "invented" bin Laden/Taliban, making life worse for Afghans, especially women. I did not approve of that. I did not approve those actions. I did not like our involvement at all.
It's not that I personally hold Afghans responsible. It is "Get him no matter where he hides." No matter where he hides, GET HIM. But really, I have no sympathy for Afghan men. I wouldn't care if we get those women & children out of there & get rid of every man still there. If that sounds harsh, try wearing a burkah or having your nose cut off or having your life end because you gave birth to a girl.
Secondly, why do you hold the Afghans responsible for his actions?
First off, I know that the US, involved in the cold war, "invented" bin Laden/Taliban, making life worse for Afghans, especially women. I did not approve of that. I did not approve those actions. I did not like our involvement at all.
It's not that I personally hold Afghans responsible. It is "Get him no matter where he hides." No matter where he hides, GET HIM. But really, I have no sympathy for Afghan men. I wouldn't care if we get those women & children out of there & get rid of every man still there. If that sounds harsh, try wearing a burkah or having your nose cut off or having your life end because you gave birth to a girl.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
AnneBoleyn;1387327 wrote: I "pray" the same will happen with Assad, & he can take his wife with him.It strikes me that, along with most Americans, your choice of enemy is whatever your government tells you to hate. Commies? Better dead than red I expect.
The only thing that will slap your adventurous hides back into the Homeland for the next generation will be the sight of your bully-boy all-volunteer armed forces being jeered home again and, with any luck, spat on as they disembark from their troop carriers. Or have you collectively forgotten how to protest against injustice.
The only thing that will slap your adventurous hides back into the Homeland for the next generation will be the sight of your bully-boy all-volunteer armed forces being jeered home again and, with any luck, spat on as they disembark from their troop carriers. Or have you collectively forgotten how to protest against injustice.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
AnneBoleyn;1387326 wrote: Are you kidding? If it were one of your soldiers who flipped out, do you think your government would hand him over? Not bloody likely!
Why? Do you see what he's done as anything short of murder?
If murder then why not a civil trial in the country where the crime occurred?
Why? Do you see what he's done as anything short of murder?
If murder then why not a civil trial in the country where the crime occurred?
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
AnneBoleyn;1387328 wrote: Bryn:
First off, I know that the US, involved in the cold war, "invented" bin Laden/Taliban, making life worse for Afghans, especially women. I did not approve of that. I did not approve those actions. I did not like our involvement at all.
It's not that I personally hold Afghans responsible. It is "Get him no matter where he hides." No matter where he hides, GET HIM. But really, I have no sympathy for Afghan men. I wouldn't care if we get those women & children out of there & get rid of every man still there. If that sounds harsh, try wearing a burkah or having your nose cut off or having your life end because you gave birth to a girl.
So if he had been hiding somewhere in the wilds of Scotland you'd have supported invading the UK if we didn't find and catch him quickly enough for your liking?
First off, I know that the US, involved in the cold war, "invented" bin Laden/Taliban, making life worse for Afghans, especially women. I did not approve of that. I did not approve those actions. I did not like our involvement at all.
It's not that I personally hold Afghans responsible. It is "Get him no matter where he hides." No matter where he hides, GET HIM. But really, I have no sympathy for Afghan men. I wouldn't care if we get those women & children out of there & get rid of every man still there. If that sounds harsh, try wearing a burkah or having your nose cut off or having your life end because you gave birth to a girl.
So if he had been hiding somewhere in the wilds of Scotland you'd have supported invading the UK if we didn't find and catch him quickly enough for your liking?
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
Bryn Mawr;1387330 wrote: Why? Do you see what he's done as anything short of murder?
If murder then why not a civil trial in the country where the crime occurred?
Isn't there a widespread notion that the life of an American is worth more than the life of an Afghan?
If murder then why not a civil trial in the country where the crime occurred?
Isn't there a widespread notion that the life of an American is worth more than the life of an Afghan?
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
-
AnneBoleyn
- Posts: 6631
- Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:17 pm
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
It strikes me that, along with most Americans, your choice of enemy is whatever your government tells you to hate. Commies? Better dead than red I expect.
Color spot WRONG. I despise Hassad for what he has done to his own people. I despise his wife because she publicly supports him.
It really is laughable to me that you think I am hypnotized by American government. But then, I will excuse you as I am still new here. And, I didn't hate commies either, not being the pink diaper baby that I was.
PS--Hassad & his wife lived & educated in Britain, she had high-power job on Wall Street, I hoped when he took over from his father he would be more humane. Therefore, they are worse than the other tyrants.
Color spot WRONG. I despise Hassad for what he has done to his own people. I despise his wife because she publicly supports him.
It really is laughable to me that you think I am hypnotized by American government. But then, I will excuse you as I am still new here. And, I didn't hate commies either, not being the pink diaper baby that I was.
PS--Hassad & his wife lived & educated in Britain, she had high-power job on Wall Street, I hoped when he took over from his father he would be more humane. Therefore, they are worse than the other tyrants.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
spot;1387332 wrote: Isn't there a widespread notion that the life of an American is worth more than the life of an Afghan?
There also appears to be a widespread notion that whenever they invade another country, anyone who objects is an "insurgent" and therefore deserves to be shot.
There also appears to be a widespread notion that whenever they invade another country, anyone who objects is an "insurgent" and therefore deserves to be shot.
-
AnneBoleyn
- Posts: 6631
- Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:17 pm
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
spot:
Isn't there a widespread notion that the life of an American is worth more than the life of an Afghan?
Isn't there a widespread notion that the life of an Englishman is worth more than the life of an Afghan? Isn't that a Western idea?
Isn't there a widespread notion that the life of an American is worth more than the life of an Afghan?
Isn't there a widespread notion that the life of an Englishman is worth more than the life of an Afghan? Isn't that a Western idea?
-
AnneBoleyn
- Posts: 6631
- Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:17 pm
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
Bryn:
So if he had been hiding somewhere in the wilds of Scotland you'd have supported invading the UK if we didn't find and catch him quickly enough for your liking?
C'mon man, we're BFFs. Of course you would have helped, your military I mean, & I bet your citizens too.
So if he had been hiding somewhere in the wilds of Scotland you'd have supported invading the UK if we didn't find and catch him quickly enough for your liking?
C'mon man, we're BFFs. Of course you would have helped, your military I mean, & I bet your citizens too.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
AnneBoleyn;1387334 wrote: I despise Hassad for what he has done to his own people. And there was me thinking he was a trainee eye-doctor in London who was drafted into government when his brother died. Or did Bashar al-Assad set up the Syrian Baathist government himself?
Has it occurred to you that what you're seeing in Syria this year wouldn't be happening if it weren't for foreign destabilization? By which I mean, predominantly, dollars out of Washington's disrupt-and-conquer-at-a-discount appropriation fund? I doubt whether a tenth of the deaths would have happened had the West not egged on the opposition. What's twisting the perception of the US couch-potato electorate is the all-pervasive "Israel first, the rest of the Middle East is nothing" drip-feed.
Has it occurred to you that what you're seeing in Syria this year wouldn't be happening if it weren't for foreign destabilization? By which I mean, predominantly, dollars out of Washington's disrupt-and-conquer-at-a-discount appropriation fund? I doubt whether a tenth of the deaths would have happened had the West not egged on the opposition. What's twisting the perception of the US couch-potato electorate is the all-pervasive "Israel first, the rest of the Middle East is nothing" drip-feed.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
-
AnneBoleyn
- Posts: 6631
- Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:17 pm
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
Bryn:
If murder then why not a civil trial in the country where the crime occurred?
You are much too smart to be naive. You know that won't happen. It has nothing to do with what I want, it won't happen. Period.
If murder then why not a civil trial in the country where the crime occurred?
You are much too smart to be naive. You know that won't happen. It has nothing to do with what I want, it won't happen. Period.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
AnneBoleyn;1387336 wrote: spot:
Isn't there a widespread notion that the life of an Englishman is worth more than the life of an Afghan? Isn't that a Western idea?
Not in my household there isn't. Speak as you find.
Isn't there a widespread notion that the life of an Englishman is worth more than the life of an Afghan? Isn't that a Western idea?
Not in my household there isn't. Speak as you find.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
-
AnneBoleyn
- Posts: 6631
- Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:17 pm
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
Not in my household there isn't. Speak as you find.
Nor in mine either spot.
Must go for a bit, see you later.
Nor in mine either spot.
Must go for a bit, see you later.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
AnneBoleyn;1387340 wrote: Bryn:
You are much too smart to be naive. You know that won't happen. It has nothing to do with what I want, it won't happen. Period.
It'd happen in Iraq. That's why your government daren't deploy troops there any longer, except those with diplomatic immunity at the embassy. The locals held out against the Pentagon. If you want an example of bravery, that's a good one.
You are much too smart to be naive. You know that won't happen. It has nothing to do with what I want, it won't happen. Period.
It'd happen in Iraq. That's why your government daren't deploy troops there any longer, except those with diplomatic immunity at the embassy. The locals held out against the Pentagon. If you want an example of bravery, that's a good one.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
AnneBoleyn;1387337 wrote: Bryn:
C'mon man, we're BFFs. Of course you would have helped, your military I mean, & I bet your citizens too.
Regardless of whether we "helped" or not you have no right to invade any country. In case you hadn't noticed it's slightly illegal - round here we call it a war crime.
C'mon man, we're BFFs. Of course you would have helped, your military I mean, & I bet your citizens too.
Regardless of whether we "helped" or not you have no right to invade any country. In case you hadn't noticed it's slightly illegal - round here we call it a war crime.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
AnneBoleyn;1387340 wrote: Bryn:
You are much too smart to be naive. You know that won't happen. It has nothing to do with what I want, it won't happen. Period.
If not, why not?
Let's turn the show onto the other foot - in a soldier of another country had committed such an atrocity in America, would you be baying for his blood? Would you be saying "of course he should stand trial here for his crimes"?
The fact that we both know it won't happen does not mean is should not happen.
You are much too smart to be naive. You know that won't happen. It has nothing to do with what I want, it won't happen. Period.
If not, why not?
Let's turn the show onto the other foot - in a soldier of another country had committed such an atrocity in America, would you be baying for his blood? Would you be saying "of course he should stand trial here for his crimes"?
The fact that we both know it won't happen does not mean is should not happen.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
AnneBoleyn wrote: [QUOTE=spot][QUOTE=AnneBoleyn][QUOTE=spot][QUOTE=AnneBoleyn][QUOTE=spot]Isn't there a widespread notion that the life of an American is worth more than the life of an Afghan?
spot:
Isn't there a widespread notion that the life of an Englishman is worth more than the life of an Afghan? Isn't that a Western idea?
Not in my household there isn't. Speak as you find.
Nor in mine either spot.
Must go for a bit, see you later.
While no doubt that response would get a sycophantic round of applause on Saturday Night Live it leaves unsaid whether you regard the life of an American as worth more than the life of an Afghan, it merely reduces the value you place on the life of an Englishman to no more than you'd place on the life of an Afghan. I still get the impression that you vaunt Americans as exceptional and US foreign policy as definitively and unopposably right.
It's relevant to the thread - it's how "US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children" happens, firstly in placing berserkly-armed berserkly-trained hair-trigger knife-edge potential killers abroad where they can become paranoidly terrified of foreign, hence unAmerican, villagers and secondly why those volunteers - remember, they volunteered - are justifiably unafraid of any major adverse consequence if they lose it and let rip.
spot:
Isn't there a widespread notion that the life of an Englishman is worth more than the life of an Afghan? Isn't that a Western idea?
Not in my household there isn't. Speak as you find.
Nor in mine either spot.
Must go for a bit, see you later.
While no doubt that response would get a sycophantic round of applause on Saturday Night Live it leaves unsaid whether you regard the life of an American as worth more than the life of an Afghan, it merely reduces the value you place on the life of an Englishman to no more than you'd place on the life of an Afghan. I still get the impression that you vaunt Americans as exceptional and US foreign policy as definitively and unopposably right.
It's relevant to the thread - it's how "US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children" happens, firstly in placing berserkly-armed berserkly-trained hair-trigger knife-edge potential killers abroad where they can become paranoidly terrified of foreign, hence unAmerican, villagers and secondly why those volunteers - remember, they volunteered - are justifiably unafraid of any major adverse consequence if they lose it and let rip.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
I live about 15 miles from Joint Base Lewis-McChord, the biggest military base on the West Coast where soldiers like this man are trained before going to Iraq and Afghanistan. The base has been plagued by a wave of suicides, crime, domestic violence, and killings.
Not only is he a Special Forces sniper with several deployments but talk radio is abuzz that he wasn't screened properly for combat-related stress injuries, including PTSD. There are longstanding complaints among soldiers and their families that help for war-related mental health problems has been slow and hard to access.
GI Voice, a local anti-war veterans support group outside Lewis-McChord that has campaigned for better mental health services, on Sunday called for a congressional investigation into the “multiple crises coming from this rogue base.”
“In 10 years of war, JBLM has produced a Kill Team, suicide epidemic, denials of PTSD treatment, denials of human rights in the brig, spousal abuse and a waterboarded daughter, murders of civilians (including a park ranger), increased sex crimes, substance abuse… and much more,” GI Voice’s executive director, Jorge Gonzalez, an Iraq war veteran from Lewis-McChord, said in the statement.
“These abuses are not because of a few bad apples, but because of the base's systematic dehumanization of soldiers and civilians, both in occupied countries and at home.
“It’s surprising, but it’s no longer a shock,” Gonzalez added in an interview. “I just keep expecting, what else is going to happen out of this base?”
Afghanistan shooting: Soldier came from troubled 'base on the brink' Joint Base Lewis McChord - latimes.com
Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington state is 'on the brink' - Los Angeles Times
What he did qualifies as much as My Lai did as a wartime atrocity, and this soldier should be prosecuted for murder. HOWEVER, as the wife of a Vietnam vet who is still on medication for PTSD from HIS service in Vietnam -- also as a sniper -- I ask you to consider what William Calley stated during his trial:
"I was ordered to go in there and destroy the enemy. That was my job that day. That was the mission I was given. I did not sit down and think in terms of men, women and children. They were all classified as the same, and that's the classification that we dealt with over there, just as the enemy. I felt then and I still do that I acted as I was directed, and I carried out the order that I was given and I do not feel wrong in doing so."
The toxic leadership at this mega-base needs to be replaced from the ground up.
Not only is he a Special Forces sniper with several deployments but talk radio is abuzz that he wasn't screened properly for combat-related stress injuries, including PTSD. There are longstanding complaints among soldiers and their families that help for war-related mental health problems has been slow and hard to access.
GI Voice, a local anti-war veterans support group outside Lewis-McChord that has campaigned for better mental health services, on Sunday called for a congressional investigation into the “multiple crises coming from this rogue base.”
“In 10 years of war, JBLM has produced a Kill Team, suicide epidemic, denials of PTSD treatment, denials of human rights in the brig, spousal abuse and a waterboarded daughter, murders of civilians (including a park ranger), increased sex crimes, substance abuse… and much more,” GI Voice’s executive director, Jorge Gonzalez, an Iraq war veteran from Lewis-McChord, said in the statement.
“These abuses are not because of a few bad apples, but because of the base's systematic dehumanization of soldiers and civilians, both in occupied countries and at home.
“It’s surprising, but it’s no longer a shock,” Gonzalez added in an interview. “I just keep expecting, what else is going to happen out of this base?”
Afghanistan shooting: Soldier came from troubled 'base on the brink' Joint Base Lewis McChord - latimes.com
Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington state is 'on the brink' - Los Angeles Times
What he did qualifies as much as My Lai did as a wartime atrocity, and this soldier should be prosecuted for murder. HOWEVER, as the wife of a Vietnam vet who is still on medication for PTSD from HIS service in Vietnam -- also as a sniper -- I ask you to consider what William Calley stated during his trial:
"I was ordered to go in there and destroy the enemy. That was my job that day. That was the mission I was given. I did not sit down and think in terms of men, women and children. They were all classified as the same, and that's the classification that we dealt with over there, just as the enemy. I felt then and I still do that I acted as I was directed, and I carried out the order that I was given and I do not feel wrong in doing so."
The toxic leadership at this mega-base needs to be replaced from the ground up.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
Cascadian;1387353 wrote: The toxic leadership at this mega-base needs to be replaced from the ground up.So does the toxic leadership of your nation. With a rational considerate foreign policy you could even reduce your bloody troop numbers. There's a damn simple mantra - no troops are good troops. America's addictively drunk on bullying abroad these days, sober up.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
Cascadian;1387353 wrote: I live about 15 miles from Joint Base Lewis-McChord, the biggest military base on the West Coast where soldiers like this man are trained before going to Iraq and Afghanistan. The base has been plagued by a wave of suicides, crime, domestic violence, and killings.
Not only is he a Special Forces sniper with several deployments but talk radio is abuzz that he wasn't screened properly for combat-related stress injuries, including PTSD. There are longstanding complaints among soldiers and their families that help for war-related mental health problems has been slow and hard to access.
GI Voice, a local anti-war veterans support group outside Lewis-McChord that has campaigned for better mental health services, on Sunday called for a congressional investigation into the “multiple crises coming from this rogue base.”
“In 10 years of war, JBLM has produced a Kill Team, suicide epidemic, denials of PTSD treatment, denials of human rights in the brig, spousal abuse and a waterboarded daughter, murders of civilians (including a park ranger), increased sex crimes, substance abuse… and much more,” GI Voice’s executive director, Jorge Gonzalez, an Iraq war veteran from Lewis-McChord, said in the statement.
“These abuses are not because of a few bad apples, but because of the base's systematic dehumanization of soldiers and civilians, both in occupied countries and at home.
“It’s surprising, but it’s no longer a shock,” Gonzalez added in an interview. “I just keep expecting, what else is going to happen out of this base?”
Afghanistan shooting: Soldier came from troubled 'base on the brink' Joint Base Lewis McChord - latimes.com
Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington state is 'on the brink' - Los Angeles Times
What he did qualifies as much as My Lai did as a wartime atrocity, and this soldier should be prosecuted for murder. HOWEVER, as the wife of a Vietnam vet who is still on medication for PTSD from HIS service in Vietnam -- also as a sniper -- I ask you to consider what William Calley stated during his trial:
"I was ordered to go in there and destroy the enemy. That was my job that day. That was the mission I was given. I did not sit down and think in terms of men, women and children. They were all classified as the same, and that's the classification that we dealt with over there, just as the enemy. I felt then and I still do that I acted as I was directed, and I carried out the order that I was given and I do not feel wrong in doing so."
The toxic leadership at this mega-base needs to be replaced from the ground up.
I would go further and say that the toxic leadership that set up the mega-base and originated the orders to the army to go in there and destroy the enemy should be prosecuted for the crimes they committed in doing so - they might have been replaced already but they are still guilty and unpunished.
Not only is he a Special Forces sniper with several deployments but talk radio is abuzz that he wasn't screened properly for combat-related stress injuries, including PTSD. There are longstanding complaints among soldiers and their families that help for war-related mental health problems has been slow and hard to access.
GI Voice, a local anti-war veterans support group outside Lewis-McChord that has campaigned for better mental health services, on Sunday called for a congressional investigation into the “multiple crises coming from this rogue base.”
“In 10 years of war, JBLM has produced a Kill Team, suicide epidemic, denials of PTSD treatment, denials of human rights in the brig, spousal abuse and a waterboarded daughter, murders of civilians (including a park ranger), increased sex crimes, substance abuse… and much more,” GI Voice’s executive director, Jorge Gonzalez, an Iraq war veteran from Lewis-McChord, said in the statement.
“These abuses are not because of a few bad apples, but because of the base's systematic dehumanization of soldiers and civilians, both in occupied countries and at home.
“It’s surprising, but it’s no longer a shock,” Gonzalez added in an interview. “I just keep expecting, what else is going to happen out of this base?”
Afghanistan shooting: Soldier came from troubled 'base on the brink' Joint Base Lewis McChord - latimes.com
Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington state is 'on the brink' - Los Angeles Times
What he did qualifies as much as My Lai did as a wartime atrocity, and this soldier should be prosecuted for murder. HOWEVER, as the wife of a Vietnam vet who is still on medication for PTSD from HIS service in Vietnam -- also as a sniper -- I ask you to consider what William Calley stated during his trial:
"I was ordered to go in there and destroy the enemy. That was my job that day. That was the mission I was given. I did not sit down and think in terms of men, women and children. They were all classified as the same, and that's the classification that we dealt with over there, just as the enemy. I felt then and I still do that I acted as I was directed, and I carried out the order that I was given and I do not feel wrong in doing so."
The toxic leadership at this mega-base needs to be replaced from the ground up.
I would go further and say that the toxic leadership that set up the mega-base and originated the orders to the army to go in there and destroy the enemy should be prosecuted for the crimes they committed in doing so - they might have been replaced already but they are still guilty and unpunished.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
I am all for trying this guy in country, and/or handing his ass over to local authorities for trial.
I pray, daily, that we will stop the madness and bring the all the troop out of Afghanistan.
There is little we can do that will be productive, now.
I pray, daily, that we will stop the madness and bring the all the troop out of Afghanistan.
There is little we can do that will be productive, now.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
spot;1387355 wrote: So does the toxic leadership of your nation. With a rational considerate foreign policy you could even reduce your bloody troop numbers. There's a damn simple mantra - no troops are good troops. America's addictively drunk on bullying abroad these days, sober up.
Seriously??? That's all you have to say about my response? Bringing up politics and foreign policy when it's OBVIOUS this is a failure of command leadership on a LOCAL level?
I'm not drunk on a damn thing and certainly don't need to sober up. I know what my politics are and who I voted for in the last election -- you don't.
Seriously??? That's all you have to say about my response? Bringing up politics and foreign policy when it's OBVIOUS this is a failure of command leadership on a LOCAL level?
I'm not drunk on a damn thing and certainly don't need to sober up. I know what my politics are and who I voted for in the last election -- you don't.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
Afghanistan harbored him, & it shouldn't take 3 days, let alone weeks, to hand him over. Of course, as I said, Bush effed up the whole thing. bin Laden could have got got at Tora Bora, at the beginning.
Afghanistan harbored no one, you have to understand just what Afghanistan was in the '90s. For a long time after the Soviets left it was in a state of civil war. It wasn't until 1997 I think that the Taliban had pushed the northern alliance out of Afghanistan and essentially "won". They had no strong central government, no infrastructure and the only economy was basically subsistence farming and the arms trade. Government was basically a loose collection of warlords. Even if the Taliban leadership had said they would turn him over it was unlikely they would have ever found him. He was too well connected, he had to many followers, he was essentially one of the warlords. Don't forget, America MADE OBL, he was one of our creations. We paid him and the Taliban to destroy all that the Soviets had built over 2 decades.
I guess you reap what you sow.
Afghanistan harbored no one, you have to understand just what Afghanistan was in the '90s. For a long time after the Soviets left it was in a state of civil war. It wasn't until 1997 I think that the Taliban had pushed the northern alliance out of Afghanistan and essentially "won". They had no strong central government, no infrastructure and the only economy was basically subsistence farming and the arms trade. Government was basically a loose collection of warlords. Even if the Taliban leadership had said they would turn him over it was unlikely they would have ever found him. He was too well connected, he had to many followers, he was essentially one of the warlords. Don't forget, America MADE OBL, he was one of our creations. We paid him and the Taliban to destroy all that the Soviets had built over 2 decades.
I guess you reap what you sow.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
The toxic leadership at this mega-base needs to be replaced from the ground up.
Cascadian is correct. That base has been in the local news a lot here lately. I don't know if it's the management or the mission. A lot of the troops that go in and out of there go to Iraq and Afghanistan. Some of these guys are on their 3rd or even 5th tours. If not more. I live about 30 miles from there, in Kent.
So does the toxic leadership of your nation. With a rational considerate foreign policy you could even reduce your bloody troop numbers. There's a damn simple mantra - no troops are good troops. America's addictively drunk on bullying abroad these days, sober up.
The demands of corporate empire will never allow that Spot. Quit dreaming.
Cascadian is correct. That base has been in the local news a lot here lately. I don't know if it's the management or the mission. A lot of the troops that go in and out of there go to Iraq and Afghanistan. Some of these guys are on their 3rd or even 5th tours. If not more. I live about 30 miles from there, in Kent.
So does the toxic leadership of your nation. With a rational considerate foreign policy you could even reduce your bloody troop numbers. There's a damn simple mantra - no troops are good troops. America's addictively drunk on bullying abroad these days, sober up.
The demands of corporate empire will never allow that Spot. Quit dreaming.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
Cascadian;1387362 wrote: I'm not drunk on a damn thing and certainly don't need to sober up. I know what my politics are and who I voted for in the last election -- you don't.
If it was a Republican or a Democrat then you're guilty, they're both the parties of warmongers.
If it was a Republican or a Democrat then you're guilty, they're both the parties of warmongers.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
AnneBoleyn;1387340 wrote: Bryn:
You are much too smart to be naive. You know that won't happen. It has nothing to do with what I want, it won't happen. Period.
Trouble is it just shows up the hypocrisy of american foreign policy if it needed to be even more. The US refuses to recognise the jurisdiction of even the international courts unless it suits their interests. It refused to ratify the treaty in 2002 - Seven countries voted against the treaty, namely: Iraq, Israel, Libya, People's Republic of China, Qatar, Yemen, and the United States.
The UK does recognise the court and the odds are would be prepared to hand a british soldier over in principle but probably would not because they have the death penalty.
Much as i don't think a great deal of the american administration sadly the UK government can hardly hold it's head high either. Though being a bunch of hypocrites still does.
posted by cascadian
I'm not drunk on a damn thing and certainly don't need to sober up. I know what my politics are and who I voted for in the last election -- you don't.
The US and UK have the same basic problem, the majority of the people not being entirely stupid, don't support what is going on but have governments that are doing what they like regardless of the consequences and neither (peoples) seems able to stop the madness. It's worse in the US I think. At least we have a tradition of dissent and left wing politics.
You are much too smart to be naive. You know that won't happen. It has nothing to do with what I want, it won't happen. Period.
Trouble is it just shows up the hypocrisy of american foreign policy if it needed to be even more. The US refuses to recognise the jurisdiction of even the international courts unless it suits their interests. It refused to ratify the treaty in 2002 - Seven countries voted against the treaty, namely: Iraq, Israel, Libya, People's Republic of China, Qatar, Yemen, and the United States.
The UK does recognise the court and the odds are would be prepared to hand a british soldier over in principle but probably would not because they have the death penalty.
Much as i don't think a great deal of the american administration sadly the UK government can hardly hold it's head high either. Though being a bunch of hypocrites still does.
posted by cascadian
I'm not drunk on a damn thing and certainly don't need to sober up. I know what my politics are and who I voted for in the last election -- you don't.
The US and UK have the same basic problem, the majority of the people not being entirely stupid, don't support what is going on but have governments that are doing what they like regardless of the consequences and neither (peoples) seems able to stop the madness. It's worse in the US I think. At least we have a tradition of dissent and left wing politics.
-
fuzzywuzzy
- Posts: 6596
- Joined: Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:35 pm
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
Well according to our government we are there "to stabilise security and employment".....WTF? Employment???? And for all those who were stupid enough to believe that we went in their to help the poor women and children ...well I say you are bloody stupid idiots and their is a sucker born every minute.....That Gas pipeline is going through Afghanistan whether they like it or not.
and could someone tell me what's the difference between this guy going off, and a night/day patrol experencing their own ricochet bullet and mowing down innocent civilians in 'retaliation'? They are all nuts!!! .........But apparently we have to see these sons of bitches as heroes..not gunna happen on my watch .
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/afghan- ... 6297771397
This is priceless, apparently our mission is clear. What????
"Our mission in Afghanistan is clear and our commitment to it remains firm," the prime minister told reporters in Canberra.
"Of course, an incident like this is a truly distressing one but it's not going to distract us from our purpose in Afghanistan and our clear sense of mission in Afghanistan.
"We know what we're there to do. We know the timeframe that we are doing it on and our commitment remains clear."
Could somone please explain what the hell this woman is talking about ? It's seems we need some clarity on the clearness of the mission.
and could someone tell me what's the difference between this guy going off, and a night/day patrol experencing their own ricochet bullet and mowing down innocent civilians in 'retaliation'? They are all nuts!!! .........But apparently we have to see these sons of bitches as heroes..not gunna happen on my watch .
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/afghan- ... 6297771397
This is priceless, apparently our mission is clear. What????
"Our mission in Afghanistan is clear and our commitment to it remains firm," the prime minister told reporters in Canberra.
"Of course, an incident like this is a truly distressing one but it's not going to distract us from our purpose in Afghanistan and our clear sense of mission in Afghanistan.
"We know what we're there to do. We know the timeframe that we are doing it on and our commitment remains clear."
Could somone please explain what the hell this woman is talking about ? It's seems we need some clarity on the clearness of the mission.
-
fuzzywuzzy
- Posts: 6596
- Joined: Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:35 pm
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
LarsMac;1387358 wrote: I am all for trying this guy in country, and/or handing his ass over to local authorities for trial.
There is little we can do that will be productive, now.
Yep blame it all on one lone guy It couldn't possibly be the actions of all troops could it ? It couldn't possibly be that you picked the wrong people to bully? ...A hero of yours last week and now you want to hand him over to the wolves that made him insane in the first place . Hypocrit.
There is little we can do that will be productive, now.
Yep blame it all on one lone guy It couldn't possibly be the actions of all troops could it ? It couldn't possibly be that you picked the wrong people to bully? ...A hero of yours last week and now you want to hand him over to the wolves that made him insane in the first place . Hypocrit.
US Soldier Goes Beserk. Kills 9 Children.
fuzzywuzzy;1387369 wrote: Well according to our government we are there "to stabilise security and employment".....WTF? Employment???? And for all those who were stupid enough to believe that we went in their to help the poor women and children ...well I say you are bloody stupid idiots and their is a sucker born every minute.....That Gas pipeline is going through Afghanistan whether they like it or not.
and could someone tell me what's the difference between this guy going off, and a night/day patrol experencing their own ricochet bullet and mowing down innocent civilians in 'retaliation'? They are all nuts!!! .........But apparently we have to see these sons of bitches as heroes..not gunna happen on my watch .
Afghan deaths 'won't stop Australia's mission' Prime Minister Julia Gillard says | Perth Now
This is priceless, apparently our mission is clear. What????
Could somone please explain what the hell this woman is talking about ? It's seems we need some clarity on the clearness of the mission.
Doublespeak - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Definition of DOUBLESPEAK
: language used to deceive usually through concealment or misrepresentation of truth;
"Political language . . . is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind."
(George Orwell, "Politics and the English Language," 1946)
"I reminded and their families that the war in Iraq is really about peace."
(George W. Bush, April 2003)
and could someone tell me what's the difference between this guy going off, and a night/day patrol experencing their own ricochet bullet and mowing down innocent civilians in 'retaliation'? They are all nuts!!! .........But apparently we have to see these sons of bitches as heroes..not gunna happen on my watch .
Afghan deaths 'won't stop Australia's mission' Prime Minister Julia Gillard says | Perth Now
This is priceless, apparently our mission is clear. What????
Could somone please explain what the hell this woman is talking about ? It's seems we need some clarity on the clearness of the mission.
Doublespeak - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Definition of DOUBLESPEAK
: language used to deceive usually through concealment or misrepresentation of truth;
"Political language . . . is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind."
(George Orwell, "Politics and the English Language," 1946)
"I reminded and their families that the war in Iraq is really about peace."
(George W. Bush, April 2003)