The Rape of Marian Price.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:10 pm

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When Marian Price was a young girl of 19, she along with her young sister were taken by the Provisional IRA and other members like Gerry Kelly to London, to be used as political cannon fodder to bomb London. Her senior leadership informed on her and the British then force fed her for 200 days 400 times. Now Mr Kelly along with other senior Provos, command huge salaries on the gravy train known as Stormont, after their surrender to the British, having dumped ordinary people like Marian and other political prisoners, who refuse to inform on their comrades or collaborate with British occupation. These prisoners of political conscience suffer today, the same brutality and torture at the hands of British sectarian thug operatives daily, that the 10 hunger strikers suffered, prior to their murders by Thatcher and the British.

Yes, at a traditional annual Easter Rising ceremony she attended on April 25, 2011 which are not only legal but are simply memorials, she held up a piece of paper, which contained a prepared statement from The 32 County Sovereignty Movement, while another, unidentified person read it aloud at the City Cemetery, in Derry. The statement was not written, prepared, consented, refuted or pre-acknowledged by Marian. She simply held the paper, which contained the statement, so it could be read aloud, as it was terribly windy.

Less, than a month later, Marian was arrested, detained and charged with Promoting Terrorism for her action, on April 25, at the 2011 Easter Rising commemoration.Her actions, for which the new charge stems. amounted to nothing more than attending the rally and holding a piece of paper. The British Government devised the action to justify the charge, which cannot be substantiated. The court’s decided to grant her bail on the grounds that she was not a danger to the public. The British Secretary of State to the Queen of England, Owen Patterson overruled the court and ordered her political internment without trial, as the spokesperson for the 32 County Sovereignty Movement, and usurped the court’s decision to grant her bail.

The British Government will stop at nothing from blaming, to charging, and using Marion as a scapegoat, to justify their inappropriate use of force and violence in various events, involving many ordinary Irish people in the the colonized 6 Counties over the past 2 years. Marian as an activist for prisoners rights and in her capacity as spokesperson for 32CSM highlighted the almost daily torture and brutality of her now fellow Irish political prisoners in her all male Maghaberry prison.

Post by **spot** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:16 pm

We do, as it happens, already have a thread on this.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:28 pm

oh my apologies didnt see it. My help was only asked for recently. you can delete this or merge it if you like.

Post by **spot** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:36 pm

I thought you'd like to see the link. It's there to cross-reference for the future, it might help start a discussion.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:51 pm

A brief history of the bombing and killings of ‘The Troubles’

1970s

Jun/Jul 1970 - Dozens die in battles in Northern Ireland between loyalists and British troops.

Jul 2 1970 - Police snatch London gun cache.

Jul 8 1971 - British troops shoot Londonderry rioters, killing two men.

Aug 8 1971 - British Army kill ‘unarmed’ disabled man Eamon McDevitt.

Oct 23 1971 - British Army kill two women at Belfast checkpoint.

Oct 31 1971 - Bomb explodes in London Post Office tower.

Dec 4 1971 - Loyalist paramilitary bomb demolishes Belfast pub killing 15.

Jan 30 1972 - British Army kills 13 ‘unarmed’ people in civil rights protest known as ‘Bloody Sunday’ in Bogside district of Londonderry.

Apr 19 1972 - Lord Chief Justice Lord Widgery’s ‘Bloody Sunday’ report excuses Army.

Feb 22 1972 - Five women and Catholic Army priest killed by IRA ‘Bloody Sunday’ revenge bomb at Aldershot barracks.

Aug 21 1973 - Londonderry City coroner Major Hubert O'Neill accuses the British Army of “sheer unadulterated murder” at ‘Bloody Sunday’ inquest.

Sep 10 1973 - Bomb blasts injure 13 in central London.

Nov 14 1973 - Eight members of IRA gang convicted of two London car bombings that killed one and injured nearly 200.

Feb 4 1974 - Twelve people, including nine off-duty soldiers and two young children, killed in bombing of coach on M62 near Bradford.

Apr 20 1974 - ‘Troubles’ death toll hits 1,000.

May 17 1974 - Loyalist Ulster Volunteer Force car bombings kill 33 people in Dublin and Monaghan, including a pregnant woman and a stillborn child.

Jun 17 1974 - IRA bomb explodes at the Houses of Parliament injuring 11 people.

Jul 17 1974 - Bomb blast at the Tower of London kills woman and leaves 41 injured, included eight children with lost limbs and severe facial injuries.

Oct 5 1974 - Four soldiers and a civilian killed in bomb blasts at two Guilford pubs. Sixty five people injured.

Oct 22 1974 - Bomb blast in Brooks Club, London injures three members of staff. Conservative Party leader Edward Heath was dining nearby.

Oct 28 1974 - The wife and young son of Sports Minister Denis Howell survive a bomb attack on their car in Birmingham.

Nov 7 1974 - Two dead after IRA throws bomb into Woolwich pub.

Nov 21 1974 - Two Birmingham pub blasts kill 21 people and injure more than 180.

Dec 18 1974 - The Government announces it will pay £42,000 in compensation to the relatives of the ‘Bloody Sunday’ victims.

Dec 22 1974 - London home of the Conservative leader and former Prime Minister Edward Heath bombed. He was not at home but arrived 10 minutes later.

July 31 1975 - The Miami Showband musical group, one of Ireland's most popular cabaret bands, murdered by members of the loyalist Ulster Volunteer Force in South Armagh, Northern Ireland.

Sep 5 1975 - Two people killed and 63 injured when IRA bomb explodes in the lobby of the London Hilton hotel.

Sep 22 1975 - Around 17 IRA bombings across Northern Ireland injure 12 people.

Nov 27 1975 - Guinness Book of Records co-founder, editor and TV presenter Ross McWhirter shot dead outside London home. Mr McWhirter had offered a reward of £50,000 for information leading to the arrest of IRA bombers.

Dec 6 1975 - Four gunmen behind McWhirter murder flee police and take couple hostage. The Balcombe Street siege lasted six days.

Jan 4 1976 - Six Catholics die in loyalist attacks in Armagh, Northern Ireland.

Jan 5 1976 - Kingsmill Massacre. Ten Protestant men shot dead as they were returning home from work in a mini-bus in Armagh, Northern Ireland.

Jan 29 1976 - IRA explosions rock London’s West End injuring a taxi driver.

Oct 15 1976 - Two Ulster Defence Regiment men jailed for 35 years in connection with the murders of members of the Miami Showband.

Feb 17 1978 - La Mon restaurant bomb in County Down, Northern Ireland kills 12 people, including children, and injures 30 others.

Jun 21 1978 - Three IRA members and one civilian die in post office shootout.

Mar 22 1979 - IRA assassinates British ambassador in Holland Sir Richard Sykes outside his Dutch home, also killing Dutch footman.

Mar 30 1979 - Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary Airey Neave killed by IRA car bomb.

Aug 27 1979 - The Queen's cousin, Lord Louis Mountbatten, killed by IRA bomb blast on his boat in Ireland. One of the earl's twin grandsons, Nicholas, aged 14, and boat boy Paul Maxwell, aged 15, also die in the explosion. Another passenger, Dowager Lady Brabourne, aged 82, died the day after the attack.

Aug 27 1979 - Eighteen soldiers and one civilian killed in Warrenpoint Massacre by two IRA booby-trap bomb attacks at Warrenpoint, South Down. It was the British Army's greatest loss of life in a single incident during the Troubles.

Sep 5 1979 - Lord Mountbatten buried after final parade.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:51 pm

1980s

Jul 20 1982 - Eleven people including eight soldiers killed on ceremonial duty in two IRA bomb blasts in central London.

Oct 27 1982 - Three police officers killed by IRA bomb planted beneath their armoured car.

Dec 4 1983 - Undercover SAS soldiers shoot dead two IRA gunmen in Northern Ireland.

Dec 17 1983 - IRA car bomb blast kills three police officers and three members of the public, injuring 90 at Harrods department store, London.

Oct 12 1984 - Five die in IRA bomb attack at the Conservative party conference in Brighton. Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and her husband Dennis narrowly escape injury.

Jun 25 1985 - Thirteen people arrested in connection with IRA mainland bombing campaign including Brighton attack.

Mar 23 1987 - Thirty-one people injured after car bomb explodes at British army base in West Germany.

Nov 8 1987 - Bomb explodes during Remembrance Day service at Enniskillen in County Fermanagh, killing 11 people. At least 63 people injured and another later dies. The IRA lost support worldwide after the bombing.

Mar 6 1988 - SAS team shoots dead three IRA members in Gibraltar

Mar 16 1988 - Loyalist gunman kills three mourners and injures around 50 people attending a funeral at Milltown Cemetery in Belfast for IRA members shot dead in Gibraltar.

Mar 19 1988 - The Corporals Killings. Two British Army corporals abducted, beaten and killed after they drove into the funeral of an IRA volunteer killed in a loyalist attack. Fully captured by television cameras, the incident was described as one of the most dramatic and harrowing images of the conflict.

Aug 1 1988 - One killed and nine wounded at Inglis Barracks in North London by IRA bomb.

Feb 12 1989 - Belfast lawyer Pat Finucane murdered at his home in north Belfast. His most famous client was republican hunger striker Bobby Sands and he was involved in the defence cases for 23 men involved with the Corporals Killings.

Feb 20 1989 - IRA bombs Tern Hill barracks

Mar 20 1989 - Two senior Royal Ulster Constabulary officers shot dead by the IRA in Armagh.

Sep 22 1989 - Eleven young soldiers killed after IRA bomb blows apart the recreation centre at the Royal Marine School of Music in Deal, Kent.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:52 pm

1990s

Jul 20 1990 - IRA bombs Stock Exchange.

Jun 3 1991 - Three IRA gunmen shot dead by the British Army in Northern Ireland.

Apr 10 1992 - IRA bomb Baltic exchange in London killing three people, including 15-year old girl. The bomb caused £800m worth of damage.

Jul 2 1992 - IRA admits killing three ‘informers’ found in Armagh, Northern Ireland.

Dec 3 1992 - Two bomb explosions in Manchester injure 64 people and cause damage and business losses estimated to total £10m.

Feb 26 1993 - First IRA attack on Warrington at Winwick Road gas works

Mar 20 1993 - Second IRA attack on Warrington kills Johnathan Ball, aged three, and Tim Parry, aged 12, and injures 56 other people.

Apr 24 1993 - The IRA Bishopsgate bombing kills one and injures 44, causing £350 million in damage.

Feb 10 1996 - Two killed and 39 injured in IRA London Docklands bombing that ends 17-month IRA ceasefire.

Feb 18 1996 - Eleven people hurt after bomb explodes on a double decker bus in the heart of London's West End.

Jun 15 1996 - Huge explosion near Arndale shopping centre rocks central Manchester injuring more than 200 people. The largest IRA bomb detonated in Great Britain and the largest bomb to explode in Great Britain since the Second World War, it causes more than £400m worth of damage.

Apr 5 1997 - Grand National stopped over two coded bomb threats.

Dec 27 1997 - Loyalist leader Billy Wright shot dead inside maximum security Maze prison in Northern Ireland by prisoners of the Irish splinter republican group the Irish National Liberation Army.

Jul 12 1998 - Three young Catholic brothers aged seven to 11 murdered in loyalist arson attack in Ballymoney, Northern Ireland during Drumcree march protests after petrol bomb thrown through window of their home.

Aug 15 1998 - Twenty nine people including nine children and a woman pregnant with twins killed in Real IRA car bombing of the market town of Omagh in County Tyrone, Northern Ireland.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:53 pm

2000s

Feb 6 2000 - Bomb attack on Co Fermanagh hotel by IRA splinter group.

Mar 3 2001 - Suspected Real IRA car bomb explodes outside BBC headquarters, wounding one man.

May 6 2001 - Real IRA bomb explodes at London post office – a second attack in three weeks.

Aug 3 2001 - Car bomb in west London injures seven people.

Jan 31 2005 - Robert McCartney murdered in Belfast, Northern Ireland, allegedly by IRA.

Jul 28 2005 - The IRA orders an end to its armed campaign.

March 7 2009 - Real IRA shoot two unarmed soldiers dead outside Massereene Barracks

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:04 am

I'm not sure what this is about. Are you saying the Troubles should be restarted since peace while Ireland is divided is a betrayal?

Or are you saying the Troubles were bloody awful for all involved, let's not go back there?

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:38 am

Finally managed to get the article to download. You want to restart the Troubles.

Post by **spot** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:45 pm

Clodhopper;1369324 wrote: Finally managed to get the article to download. You want to restart the Troubles.

That's an accurate reflection of the 32 County Sovereignty Movement. It's not my own view.

My comments on Marian Price have all related to the vile, inhumane, beastly treatment she's been all to frequently subject to by the British Government since her teenage years. The fact that she presses on is an indictment of that sort of repression whether it's against individuals or against identifiable sections of the community.

She should be released. She should be apologized to. She should be handed several guilty establishment heads to make the apology meaningful.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:02 pm

Let's see. How long have we had the Internet now? 8 years? More? And we still haven't realised its potential.

So, the few still have power over us while we sit back and talk about what should be.

Post by **spot** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:46 am

I had my first Internet email account in 1986 so it's more than a quarter of a century now, Usenet and mailing lists date back that far as mass communication for the individual. Web browsing is a different matter perhaps, but there were discussions like this as far back as I can recall. You may think they're ineffective, I'd disagree - I think the world would be a far different place without this ability to write without knowing beforehand who your audience will include.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:45 am

When Marian Price was a young girl of 19, she along with her young sister were taken by the Provisional IRA and other members like Gerry Kelly to London, to be used as political cannon fodder to bomb London. Her senior leadership informed on her and the British then force fed her for 200 days 400 times. Now Mr Kelly along with other senior Provos, command huge salaries on the gravy train known as Stormont, after their surrender to the British, having dumped ordinary people like Marian and other political prisoners, who refuse to inform on their comrades or collaborate with British occupation. These prisoners of political conscience suffer today, the same brutality and torture at the hands of British sectarian thug operatives daily, that the 10 hunger strikers suffered, prior to their murders by Thatcher and the British.

So why isn't she annoyed at the provisional IRA?

Wonder what nationality this blogger is, safe bet she's not actually Irish. No one with any sense wants to go back to the troubles. Commemorating the easter rising in a town like Derry is not exactly sensible. It says a lot for how things have progressed that the demonstration remained peaceful and no one threw stones at her.

Post by **spot** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:49 am

gmc;1369439 wrote: So why isn't she annoyed at the provisional IRA?She is, furiously. I presume that after all the effort and suffering, to give up the sole object of the organization's existence struck her and a few others as a stab in the back.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:26 am

spot;1369440 wrote: She is, furiously. I presume that after all the effort and suffering, to give up the sole object of the organization's existence struck her and a few others as a stab in the back.

I am probably well versed in the history of the troubles as you are. If people on both sides won't compromise all there is is conflict. There are as many on the protestant side who object to compromise just as much as on the republican side. If they have their way it will all start up again. The pope's visit didn't help as he seems unwilling to live and let live and added fuel to the flames. Why not announce he will excommunicate the catholics that killed another catholic because they had the temerity to join the police force? Presumably the threat of excommunication might have an effect.

Post by **spot** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:42 am

I don't believe anything I've said in either of the threads relating to Marian Price has expressed the slightest sympathy with her political stance. I'm merely appalled that the British should be so hare-brained as to treat her so disgracefully over so many years and they're still carrying on with it as we speak.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:40 pm

Could you imagine arresting everyone at a german luftwaffer war memorial ...just for turning up to a service ?

does anyone get arrested when they turn up to an Islamist memorial?

Nope !!!

I'm not worried about marian ...she's tough . But I'm concerned that a politician can overrule a judge in Britain.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:47 pm

gmc;1369439 wrote: So why isn't she annoyed at the provisional IRA?

Wonder what nationality this blogger is, safe bet she's not actually Irish. No one with any sense wants to go back to the troubles. Commemorating the easter rising in a town like Derry is not exactly sensible. It says a lot for how things have progressed that the demonstration remained peaceful and no one threw stones at her.

Interesting views GMC.

I recieved this from a friend of mine. G Conlon, if he supports it ...I SUPPORT IT!!! .....he supports her release...He does not discriminate between who done what .....He is more concerned about justice. And this is unjust.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:53 pm

spot;1369435 wrote: I had my first Internet email account in 1986 so it's more than a quarter of a century now, Usenet and mailing lists date back that far as mass communication for the individual. Web browsing is a different matter perhaps, but there were discussions like this as far back as I can recall. You may think they're ineffective, I'd disagree - I think the world would be a far different place without this ability to write without knowing beforehand who your audience will include.

Yep 1989 for me. And I still don't know **** about how to fix an internet problem. ahhh yes the old 'message boards' will never forget big teds place ...first ever homosexual pic i ever saw....thanks internet you opened up my world ..........cringe.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:22 am

fuzzywuzzy;1369539 wrote: Interesting views GMC.

I recieved this from a friend of mine. G Conlon, if he supports it ...I SUPPORT IT!!! .....he supports her release...He does not discriminate between who done what .....He is more concerned about justice. And this is unjust.

I don't know the details of the case so I will bow to your superior knowledge as to the injustice taking place. ( that sounds sarcastic I don't mean it that way I really don't know the particulars of the case)

In derry or Londonderry depending on your religion they also commemorate the siege Derry when the protestants held out against the Catholics with the apprentice boys shutting the gates in their face an action commemorated with the apprentice boys march and of course the orange parades commemorating the battle of the Boyne when the catholics were defeated. Northern Ireland is a hangover from the religious wars in 17th century Europe if it was just simple imperialism it would actually be easier to understand and sort. It's tends to be irish americans and Australians that think it simple imperialism and don't get the religious aspect thinking it irrelevant to the issue. Wish it was.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:42 pm

I think religion is tied up in it simply because it goes hand in hand with the politics. For example if you listen to the Brits on this site have you noticed that no one says arabic or african or indian etc etc these people are time and time again refferred to as Muslim . Racism isn't tolerated but putting down someone as a muslim is perfectly okay ....that's politcal. This is how reiligion is used in wars. And I dont' know any Irish that trot back to the 17th century ....only to the 60's and before that 1911..(I think I have the date right, Easter uprising) The only people I know who have ever fought, have never used the religious excuse .....but just an independant state. To use the religious view is to dumb down those who want an independant Ireland.

There was a woman on the radio a couple of days ago talking about wha the catalyst was for her to leave Ireland. (she's an award winning teacher in Tassy) Apparently one day she saw her 11 year old daughter cross a busy road she was forbidden to cross on her own . When she told her daughter off the daughter responded by giving the excuse "I had to, I could smell the catholics" ....... Now that's just a responce to propaganda rather than an understanding of the war. this woman also wittnessed a march which an English lord and the mayor of the town led the way ...She only remembers thinking "How provocative." She couldn't believe an English lord would travel to her town to march . Yes there was a bomb at that march, she wittnessed it. When an English lord is present it has nothing to do with religion anymore, only power.

The IRA fought for independance not for the world to turn Catholic. it's like saying the palistinians want an arabic state ...no they don't, they want an independant one and their country back. But if you put religion to it then it skews the reasoning and struggle .

In derry or Londonderry depending on your religion

And that's what I'm on about ......if we were at war with Britain what would be the first thing we would change? All the names of places that refer to Britian.....every single country does it. but you mentioned religion. So if you are at war with London (that's where the orders come from to rape your country) then you'd get rid of it pretty bloody quickly.

And the IRA (at least the provs) had more than just catholics supporting them. My father was a strict roman catholic and hated them. Yet plenty of overseas protastants, socialists, communists did support them.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:54 am

fuzzywuzzy;1369695 wrote: I think religion is tied up in it simply because it goes hand in hand with the politics. For example if you listen to the Brits on this site have you noticed that no one says arabic or african or indian etc etc these people are time and time again refferred to as Muslim . Racism isn't tolerated but putting down someone as a muslim is perfectly okay ....that's politcal. This is how reiligion is used in wars. And I dont' know any Irish that trot back to the 17th century ....only to the 60's and before that 1911..(I think I have the date right, Easter uprising) The only people I know who have ever fought, have never used the religious excuse .....but just an independant state. To use the religious view is to dumb down those who want an independant Ireland.

There was a woman on the radio a couple of days ago talking about wha the catalyst was for her to leave Ireland. (she's an award winning teacher in Tassy) Apparently one day she saw her 11 year old daughter cross a busy road she was forbidden to cross on her own . When she told her daughter off the daughter responded by giving the excuse "I had to, I could smell the catholics" ....... Now that's just a responce to propaganda rather than an understanding of the war. this woman also wittnessed a march which an English lord and the mayor of the town led the way ...She only remembers thinking "How provocative." She couldn't believe an English lord would travel to her town to march . Yes there was a bomb at that march, she wittnessed it. When an English lord is present it has nothing to do with religion anymore, only power.

The IRA fought for independance not for the world to turn Catholic. it's like saying the palistinians want an arabic state ...no they don't, they want an independant one and their country back. But if you put religion to it then it skews the reasoning and struggle .

And that's what I'm on about ......if we were at war with Britain what would be the first thing we would change? All the names of places that refer to Britian.....every single country does it. but you mentioned religion. So if you are at war with London (that's where the orders come from to rape your country) then you'd get rid of it pretty bloody quickly.

And the IRA (at least the provs) had more than just catholics supporting them. My father was a strict roman catholic and hated them. Yet plenty of overseas protastants, socialists, communists did support them.

Politics and religion were so intertwined it's almost impossible to separate out the two.

When she told her daughter off the daughter responded by giving the excuse "I had to, I could smell the catholics" ....... Now that's just a responce to propaganda rather than an understanding of the war.

She's been brought up hearing that kind of bigotry at eleven years old she's just copying the adults not helped by the fact she probably went to separate schools and lived in a separate part of town. Ireland was partitioned because the protestants in Ulster were armed and ready to fight for their freedom from domination by the catholic church and not wanting to joined to a catholic Ireland. Some republicans recognised that and the first action after partition was a civil war between the irish free state and those republicans that saw partition as a betrayal. Many irush Americans seem unaware that Ireland is actually independent of Britain and has been for almost a century.

Forget this crap about the British occupation of Northern Ireland and oppression of the irish it's actually just not that simple. I'm not saying it's rational because it isn't, bigotry never is.But to ignore the religious aspect and religious bigotry as irrelevant is to ignore what keeps the troubles rolling along.

Irish Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Plantation of Ulster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For example if you listen to the Brits on this site have you noticed that no one says arabic or african or indian etc etc these people are time and time again refferred to as Muslim

Actually we don't. For a kick off most of us know that india is not a Muslim country, that iran iand turkey are not arabic and that not all African states are Muslim. I suspect you assume we are using the term that way rather than the way we actually are.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:49 pm

Forget this crap about the British occupation of Northern Ireland and oppression of the irish it's actually just not that simple.

Really? because in essence you would have to say that the occupation of Palistine has more to do with religion than occupation because the opposing sides have a deep seated hate of the others religion . BUT IT"S STILL ABOUT OCCUPATION

Post by **spot** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:54 am

You know fuzz, it isn't. The British for the last hundred years have said that if the majority of the electorate in Northern Ireland express a desire to form an all-Ireland union with the South then the British will happily move out and let them get on with it, and the majority of the electorate in Northern Ireland have invariably wanted to remain a part of the United Kingdom instead and still do. That's not occupation however much you might want to use the word.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:47 pm

fuzzywuzzy;1369742 wrote: Really? because in essence you would have to say that the occupation of Palistine has more to do with religion than occupation because the opposing sides have a deep seated hate of the others religion . BUT IT"S STILL ABOUT OCCUPATION

With religious bigotry at the root of it and every time there is a hint of compromise the bigots stir things up again. Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated for heresy and for talking peace with the Palestinians. The occupation is as a result of religious warfare.

Northern Ireland is similar in some respects it is the result of religious warfare. Anyone who sees it simply as british occupation is really not looking at the whole picture.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:59 pm

thought this thread was about marion price?

Post by **spot** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:29 pm

fuzzywuzzy;1369989 wrote: thought this thread was about marion price?
I've not seen the thread diverge from Marian Price at all. The nature and misgovernance of Northern Ireland is exactly what Marian Price is about, she's a walking talking example of how bad it is there and the extent to which the British Government lacks all moral authority as a result of treating her as it has.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:25 pm

so is that about religion too?

~smirk~

sorry that was very unfair on my behalf ....I knew exactly how you were going to answer that and already had my answer ready ....my apologies it was a cheap shot .

but you see my point.

Post by **spot** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:41 pm

fuzzywuzzy;1370014 wrote: so is that about religion too?

~smirk~

sorry that was very unfair on my behalf ....I knew exactly how you were going to answer that and already had my answer ready ....my apologies it was a cheap shot .

but you see my point.

The tribal boundaries in Northern Ireland are entirely based on religion. The abuses by the British Government of Irish Republicans have nothing to do with religion, they are purely political. There would be no political problem without the religious tribal sectarian division. Without the religious differences in Northern Ireland there would be no political reason for agents of the British Government to debase themselves by treating Marian Price the way they do.

So - nutshell - it's all about religion, yes. Around that there's a political wrapper.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:36 pm

If you go way back to the 1800's I'd say it's political with a religious wrapper.

Post by **spot** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:52 am

fuzzywuzzy;1385385 wrote: If you go way back to the 1800's I'd say it's political with a religious wrapper.

For a short period it was, yes. During the Napoleonic war after the French Revolution there were Republicans across Ireland from both the Catholic and the Protestant camps and the British arrested both lots indiscriminately. A chap called Wolfe Tone was one of the main instigators if you want to read a bit about him. Republicanism was political rather than religious when it was all-Irish but by 1810 it was all long gone - once Napoleon had declared himself Emperor all that was left was the normal anti-English Catholic sentiment. And that's the way it's been ever since. There's always been a very small thread of Protestant Republicanism from the death of Wolfe Tone until now but it's so small you'd need a hand-glass to find it.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:24 pm

2. Amnesty International Information

Amnesty International Statements: Help for writing and submitting.

Amnesty International will open a new campaign if we can gather statements from the sources listed below. Thank you for taking the time to share this page with others.

Over the past year frustration about Amnesty International's delay in organizing a campaign that would secure Marian Price McGlinchey's release has been escalating, as the violence in the prison has escalated and the abuses of human rights have escalated.

Privacy is a challenge to respect because inhumane treatment of one person hurts us all so much. But privacy is necessary to justice. We must be sure not to pressure our folk into providing details about their experiences in Maghaberry.

Please forward anything you can for organizing and submitting to Amnesty International as soon as you can. Please avoid investigation. Anyone who has spent time in Maghaberry, either as prisoner or visitor, or employee is most welcome to contact me using any of the options listed. amnestystatementsflynn@gmail.com is the new email account I opened for this purpose. I will do my very best to respect your privacy, with the limited online security that we have. Feel comfortable keeping sensitive or personal details to yourself. Privacy really is the first casualty when folks are abused in prison. Let's work towards justice while respecting the privacy of those injured.This is not a criminal investigation, yet!

Amnesty International's request for more specific information included the need for statements from the following:

1. prisoners themselves: they say they have had zero in four years;

2. family members: they say they have received less than five in four years;

3. lawyers: they say have received zero in four years;

4. doctors: they say they have received zero in four years.

In addition to the above, I would include statements signed & dated from the following:

1. prison staff, current or past

2. religious personnel with prisoner permission to disclose information, both signatures required for this, but should be powerful

3. visitors who felt psychological distress while in the prison

4. I cannot see how statements from those affected by news of Maghaberry can mean nothing, let's each offer an official statement of our personal grief and distress knowing that the UN Committee Against Torture has already confirmed violations on site and no intervention has arrived. Statements of our own, expressing our personal psychological distress throughout the past year should help. Signed, dated and with reference to our own distress, lack of sleep, inability to concentrate, rage, grief, or anxiety related to the delays to prison reform and Marian's continued incarceration in Maghaberry.

1. Avoid interviewing prisoners or asking them to support this campaign. Even if you are a prisoner, or a former prisoner yourself.

2. If you have sent a statement to Amnesty International regarding prison conditions, yourself, or know someone who has, you can let me know right away. Please give me the name of the prison, and approximately how you contacted Amnesty International, and approximately when. I'll do my best to make sure your information was not misplaced. If I hear from plus four who have already submitted statements, we will need to determine whether reports of human rights violations are being destroyed. That would be a serious crime.

3. You can write a victim impact statement yourself, even those still incarcerated, or those who have been affected as visitors, family or private citizens. Include your name, the date, and a description of how the experience has affected your health and wellness. If you experienced fear in the building, or were exposed in any way to cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment of self or others you can say as little or as much as you like. Some model statements are below to give a sense of how different they might be.

4. If you have submitted an impact statement, regarding yourself, request a statement from a doctor, or a lawyer, or a family member to be submitted also. Time and date of statement, plus time and date location of situation you refer to would be required.

5. You can encourage a lawyer to offer his or her services to contact prisoners and submit statements. There must be at least one lawyer in Ireland who would be willing to do this. They should be able to write a statement after a brief interview, and one with a huge heart and some time to offer might be willing to phone several prisoners and write statements for them.

6. You can encourage a religious official to take more direct and insistent action related to prison reform.

7. If you are a family member, you can write a victim impact statement, yourself. Your family member may not be able to, nor need they feel that they should. You can still submit your own.

8. You can encourage anyone at all with information to contact me if they would like help writing or editing the statement. Point form notes would be all that I need. This is to create action on prison reform and the release of Marian Price, not a criminal investigation. But I would encourage you to keep a copy of such statements for possible use in criminal cases later. You may achieve damages in the form of financial compensation and apology, as I would encourage Marian to do.

One impact statement from one prisoner should be enough to take action on. I wonder if Pat Ramsey could ask Marian to write one on his next visit to be delivered straight to Amnesty International. If any prisoners submit information to Amnesty International, and they feel comfortable, please let me know. I need no details at all about the content of your statement. And, because it is not a criminal proceeding, Amnesty International doesn't need many details either. They are confirming in order to justify a campaign, and to encourage UN support, so specific details are not necessary. A few examples are below, but they are just models to clarify the kinds of communication that classify as a statement.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:24 pm

Example 1:

Date: ____________

Amnesty International,

I am a former inmate of Maghaberry prison and this is my statement regarding human rights violations at that location. While incarcerated I had experiences that I know to be in violation of human rights standards. I was strip searched on five occasions. I was placed in extended isolation from approximately May 2010- approximately mid July 2010. I was denied communication with my family and my advisors. I was subjected to various forms of extreme interview methods that I believe to be torture, including exhaustion, sedative and hypnotic medications, psychologically damaging conversation and questioning that left me feeling confused, anxious and even terrified. On several occasions during year 2010, I was forced to endure the psychological agony of hearing other prisoners mistreated by prison staff. They were shouted at, called disparaging names, and I could hear loud banging of metal accompanied by sounds of distress from the other inmate, whose identity is unknown to me to this day. I was struck by staff on five different occasions, twice with a baton, and three times with fists. I was denied access to a doctor for several weeks, approximately September of 2010. When I visited with the doctor again, on approximately Sept.20,2010, the doctor appeared unconcerned about my distress, weight loss, and the bruising on my person. He ignored those issues, prescribed more medicine that I did not wish to take, and I noticed that he did not record my injuries or my medical situation accurately on my medical chart. I later requested a copy of my medical records, which I demand to keep private, and I was able to confirm his negligence. Since my release, I have suffered symptoms of post trauma including poor attention, depressed emotion, difficulty sleeping, some fits of rage- even against loved ones, and I am anxious almost all the time. My suffering continues to this moment and I have been free for almost a year. I beg Amnesty International to take action against human rights abuses in this prison. I pray for the safety of those still incarcerated there.

Thank you for filing my statement of protest. I would appreciate contact to confirm that you have this statement on file.

Signature, and name

My name is ___________________, and my position is ______________. I discussed conditions at Maghaberry with a former inmate and I am writing as their legal/ religious/ family/ professiona/ union/ associate to file a statement protesting conditions at that location that violate human rights. I confirm that my associate experienced cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment while incarcerated. It is my understanding that they were exposed to extreme violence including physical assault, and even hostage taking using improvised weapons during their time there. This person was an inmate between Feb.2005 and April 2006. My associate has submitted a statement to you describing some of their complaints. This person was repeatedly stripped, forced to have no contact with family and denied opprtunities for recreation or employment counsel. They also suffered physical injuries, witnessed by many others. My associate was exposed to sound alarms which caused them to lose sleep, and also woken intermittenly by staff and prisoners making loud noise approximately every half hour during sleep time. My associate became severly ill as a result of prolonged lack of sleep. We demand that action be taken to release Marian Price McGlinchey, the one female prisoner held at the prison, as her situation is dangerous and her health is poor. We also request further action to restore human rights at this prison, as per UN demands.

Thank you. I would appreciate a response to confirm that you have filed my statement.

Example 3:

Amnesty International,

Please accept this letter as a statement of my concern about the care of prisoners in Maghaberry prison. My brother is a prisoner there right now, and my entire family is worried sick. He has been assaulted and neglected. He has been denied access to entertainment and education opportunities. He is showing signs of extreme anxiety, including forgetfulness and inability to follow our conversations on our few allowed visits. He has been denied access to a doctor and denied access to spiritual counsel. He is woken several times a night by loud noise and is showing signs of physical sickness and weight loss. My entire family is having trouble concentrating at work, we are losing sleep and some of us have been threatened by people in our neighborhood after discussing prisoner's rights and prison conditions. We have read the related UN reports and we demand a campaign to enforce human rights in that location. The one female prisoner, Marian Price, must be released. Conditions are increasingly violent and she is in poor health.

Thank you. Please give us a phone call or an email response to confirm that you got our statement. We look forward to news of campaigns and further investigation, but we are most concerned about the immediate health and safety of our family member.

name and signature. phone and email address.

Example 4:

Date

Amnesty International:

Please accept this statement regarding inhumane conditions at my place of employment. I would ask that work towards the release of Marian Price McGlinchey, the only woman in these extreme conditions, and towards gaining support to restore my working conditions and the living conditions of other inmates. I have been an employee of the UK prison system for the last ten years. While things have been rough at Maghaberry for many years, the situation has worsened since prison reform documents and human rights reports were filed over the past three years. I no longer feel safe in my work place and I do not feel confident that the situation of Marian Price is just. Marian has been in isolation for far too long, at least eight months, and the UN has defined this as form of torture. I do not wish to particpate in any form of torture at my workplace, but we are having difficulty making changes, even with the recent UN investigation complete. I find that I am anxious and terrified at my job. On occasion, as well as witnessing assualts between other staff and prisoners, I became confused under riot conditions and I struck at least four prisoners about the head and shoulders with sharp quick blows of a wooden baton. This is not my usual professional behavior, and it is not consistent with my crisis intervention training, but conditions were very extreme and escalated until I did strike prisoners. To my knowledge, prisoners got no medical attention for several days. It is my understanding that this, too, is considered inhumane. I beg your assistance to restore my work conditions so that I might support the prisoners on site in a humane and just way throughout their incarceration.

I would be proud to offer details of a more specific nature upon request. Maghaberry prison is not an appropriate location to hold a woman, or conduct a trial. This woman appears to be exhausted and ill; I do not have confidence that her continued incarceration is justified. Please begin a campaign to secure her release. All staff at Maghaberry would appreciate UN support to implement stat UN demands."

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:29 pm

A statement from the Justice for Marian Campaign Group

The Justice for Marian campaign group is made up of individuals

from various backgrounds who have united to oppose the ongoing

Internment and torture of Republican prisoner Marian Price. We have

been coordinating events in Derry, Belfast and Dublin to highlight

the deplorable treatment that Marian is being subjected to.

To date the campaign meetings have been very well attended which

is a clear indication of the level of concern and anger that surrounds

Marian's Treatment. The call for Marian to be released has been

supported by some main stream political parties, trade union groups,

human rights groups, the clergy and support groups from across the

world.

Marian was detained in isolation in Maghaberry, an all male prison for

ten months despite being granted bail by the courts. She was then

transferred to an alleged healthcare facility at Hydebank wood on the

17th of February on Clinical advice from the regional health board. It

cannot be stated enough that Marian is not receiving adequate health

care treatment.

Despite recommendations by healthcare professionals to have her

treated outside a prison environment in order to try and repair the

damage caused by ten months of isolation and neglect, Marian remains

entombed in a corridor in one of three observation cells two of which

are locked. She remains locked behind an iron gate and hastily erected

wooden door. The treatment of Marian is in conflict with current human

rights legislation and has been defined by experts as torture.

Marian believes the new regime she has been placed under is worse

than she experienced in Maghaberry and would seem to be designed to

de-personalise and further criminalise her.

The secretary of State Owen Patterson claims that Marian Price was

returned to prison on the revocation of a licence dating back to 1980. He

overlooked the fact that after her release in 1980 Marian received the

royal Prerogative of Mercy due to life threatening illness after serving

a lengthy prison sentence. The British authorities have since admitted

to shredding this pardon, a document Marian's solicitor is sure would

secure her release.

A real concern for the campaign group and many others is how Owen

Patterson an unelected and unaccountable English politician can

overrule the judiciary, pre-empt due process, disregard the justice

powers alleged to have been devolved to Stormont and disregard the

current human rights legislation.

In the north we recognise Marian's detention to be the return of

internment and are deeply concerned as internment and the abuse of

prisoners in the past saw the continuation and escalation of the troubles

in the North. This time we cannot point the finger of Blame at Downing

Street today this is happening under the watchful eye of the Stormont

Executive.

In Derry on Sunday April 22nd at 2.30 pm there will be a March to highlight

the internment and torture of Marian Price, the march will leave from Free Derry

corner and arrive at the Guildhall place it will be led by Monsignor Raymond

Murray.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:00 pm

Could one of my British friends explain why this woman has been granted Bail twice and still remains behind bars?

And how a royal pardon overides a license but it gets shredded or lost ...(out of all the documents in her file it's the only one that goes missing)and the license still stands? And now it can be revoked

How can somone be on Bail and in prison a the same time?

none of this makes any sense.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:39 pm

fuzzywuzzy;1391630 wrote: Could one of my British friends explain why this woman has been granted Bail twice and still remains behind bars?

And how a royal pardon overides a license but it gets shredded or lost ...(out of all the documents in her file it's the only one that goes missing)and the license still stands? And now it can be revoked

How can somone be on Bail and in prison a the same time?

none of this makes any sense.

No, I cannot explain it and I would suggest it is being done in breach of the laws of this land that the Government is supposed to be upholding.

I would further suggest the the Government should be called to account for their actions and held responsible for them.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:25 pm

this isn't why she was arrested......... She speaks of the 32CSM movenment.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:36 pm

This is why she was arrested...... for holding a piece of paper.... listen very carefully of what's said without taking in what the news reader has said.

All this man has said is they won't put up with the renegging on the Good Friday peace process..... And of course they will do it in their own way ...

If you notice the wind, Marion is only holding a piece of paper that the wind is playing havoc with ...If she is to be Imprisoned for that then I fear for everyone at that memorial day who happened to be present.

You dont' have to agree with this womans politics nor with her beliefs and you can support or comdemn what she did as a soldier of the IRA.....but you can't in any sense support a government for taking away her right of freedom of speech.

If Marion dies in prison which seems to be the object of the British governments' motives then I trully fear for what will come .

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:29 am

Was this person raped or not?

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:26 am

Generally, one of the conditions of release is that one does not associate with known "criminals".

One of the reasons I turned down parole was because I wanted to be free and clear when I was done.

The gummint can claim that her "just holding a piece of paper" was an act of criminal intent, and she was associating with anti-gummint people, performing anti-gummint activities.

No, I do NOT think this is justified, I am just suggesting that the gummint mindset is at work, here.

I am sure that she knew what might happen if she took part in this, and yet she chose to do so.

One has to admire her determination.

Ireland needs to be shed if this monstrous arrangement.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:16 am

flopstock;1392012 wrote: Was this person raped or not?
floppy ..just dont ..this is serious. They keep changing the charge.

Old Bailey bomber Marian Price has "refused" to meet Sinn Fein's Sean Lynch during a visit to Hydebank women's prison.

The Fermanagh and South Tyrone MLA and his party colleague Jennifer McCann visited the jail this week to see her, but she declined the offer.

"Unfortunately Marian Price again refused to meet us but we met with prison officials and inspected her living conditions," said Mr. Lynch.

Ms. Price has been in prison since May 2011 after appearing at a dissident republican rally in Londonderry.

She has since been charged in connection with the murders of two soldiers at Masserene in March 2009. She denies the charge.

"Given the fact that she has been bailed on the charges she was originally arrested for, there is no justification whatsoever for her continued detention. Sinn Féin is against the revoking of licenses and if there is any evidence against someone it should be brought before a court of law.

"Marian Price's continued detention is a serious concern given her medical condition and she should be released immediately so that her medical needs can be addressed adequately," he added.

she doesnt' want to see you barstards because you are complicent in her internment ...politics politics politcs!!!! disgusting !!!

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:20 am

LarsMac;1392035 wrote: Generally, one of the conditions of release is that one does not associate with known "criminals".

One of the reasons I turned down parole was because I wanted to be free and clear when I was done.

The gummint can claim that her "just holding a piece of paper" was an act of criminal intent, and she was associating with anti-gummint people, performing anti-gummint activities.

No, I do NOT think this is justified, I am just suggesting that the gummint mindset is at work, here.

I am sure that she knew what might happen if she took part in this, and yet she chose to do so.

One has to admire her determination.

Ireland needs to be shed if this monstrous arrangement.

She's a member of an organisation that supports released prisoners and she's taken part in many of these memorials . Her pardon (royal pardon ) says she can support these people. But alas it's been "lost". She's been doing this for years.

gummint huh?

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:26 am

Honestly people do you really think there is only one copy of the royal pardon (the original) in existence? Buchingham palace doesn't keep records? I'ts all bullshit!!!!

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:44 am

copy of my letter to justice minister regarding marian and un to maghaberry: Justice Minister of Ireland: Please release Marian Price and order UN to Maghaberry

Leanne Flynn

8:37 am (1 day ago)

to info.cmu, committee.just., private.office, michael

Honorable Sir:

Please accept my demand for the release of Marian Price from Hydebank women's hospital, and the return of the UN to prisons in trouble, including Maghaberry.

Ms. Price has lived a crime free life for thirty years and is a proud wife and mother. She has been convicted of no crime and her health is frail. She was held in solitary confinement at Maghaberry men's prison for far too long. In the interest and support of justice, I beg you to release her to her family and her family doctor. Every moment in prison, especially a prison hospital, is an extreme reminder to Marian of the near death experience that led to her early release many years ago. As you will recall, her life threatening injuries were dealt by a doctor. Every moment incarcerated causes psychological torture for Ms. Price. How could it not? She recently expressed failing memory and a identity confusion in an interview with MP Pat Ramsey, clear signs that she is experiencing flashback and at least mild dissociation. As you know, the United Nations has recently decreed isolation of the type that Marian experienced at Maghaberry to be 'cruel and inhuman' and by definition torture. Post torture rehabilitation will take place best at home, not in a prison hospital that cannot help but remind her of previous torture. I beg for her immediate release. I am Canadian teacher with twenty years experience in communications and crisis intervention. I am also a proud union member, Political Action and Excellence in Education. Please, release Marian today. The campaign for her release is world wide.

Maghaberry prison sounds as though it requires the UN crisis and negotiation teams. Please demand their presence. That is their job. I was most pleased to see some unannounced prison reviews taking place recently; please continue with those. I would also ask you to discontinue sound alarms until we have more information about their effectiveness; I have heard that they increase aggression. That is the last thing UK prisons need- a security device that causes aggression.

I thank you for your time and for taking action to release Marian and secure Maghaberry prison.

-Leanne Flynn

OSSTF

Political Action &

Excellence in Education

` No sound is dissonant which tells of life.` Coleridge

:) march next week in Derry

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:51 am

RELEASED DERRY P.O.W SPEAKS ON MAGHABERRY

A Chairde,

For the past six months, I have been Interned by remand in Maghaberry Gaol.

Today upon my temporary release on bail, i feel it is my duty to give people an insight into the terrible conditions endured by all Republican Prisoners currently residing in Roe House, Maghaberry.

On my first day in Maghaberry and upon entering the Republican Wing, a sour and overwhelming stench hit me like a brick wall and reality quickly began to set in.

I immediately realised what was facing me while still being walked to my Cell, by a unit of Screws consisting of four burly Prison Officers heavily clad in riot-gear, complete with helmets and visors.

As the same four screws surrounded me in a barren cell, they barked a number of rules and regulations at me. I was ordered by them to ‘follow or else’! When I replied; ‘I’m an Irish Republican and will only take orders from fellow Republicans’, they laughed and slammed the steel door in my face. I later found out that all Republican Prisoners endure the same reception upon arrival.

Due to the refusal of David Ford and the Stormont Executive to implement the August Agreement, Conditions for Political Prisoners in Roe House remain inhumanely atrocious.

The majority of Political Prisoners in Maghaberry have engaged in a full Dirty Protest, since at least July 2011.

Cells are infested with maggots and large flies, the inevitable result of human excrement being caked on the walls of small enclosed spaces.

The sight of young bearded men living in such surroundings puts the lie to David Ford’s claims to being a champion of human rights.

Adding to their misery, Prisoners are also forced to live under the punitive ‘restrictive movement’ regime. Wherein their access to outside landings is conditional on the amount of screws available to accompany them.

This system is manipulated daily in order to limit the movement of Prisoners and place their lives under as much strain and disruption as possible.

According to the Administration, four Screws are needed to accompany one Prisoner. Whenever one Republican Prisoner wants to have a wash or shower, four Screws are apparently required to escort him to the Wash Room.

His ‘movement’ in turn affects the amount of time others can spend outside their cells, for example on the telephone with their children.

The opportunities for manipulating this system and degrade the life of the entire landing are endless and screws use it to maximise disruption on a daily basis. Under ‘restricted movement’ waiting times to and from visits are also prolonged, leading to the actual visiting time being substantially shortened.

Thanks to David Ford and the compliance of constitutional parties at Stormont, families and children of republican prisoners are now also being punished.

In order to gauge the extremist anti-Republican logic of the Maghaberry Regime, one need only observe its refusal to grant Compassionate Parole to Lurgan Republican, Dee McKenna, Whose Father died while he was a protesting prisoner.

Maghaberry’s refusal to allow him attend his father’s funeral was a direct attempt not only to punish him in a vulgar and inhumane manner, it was a desperate attempt to prevent the world from hearing the true extent of horrific conditions being endured by human beings in Ireland 2012.

Sickness is rife among Political Prisoners in Roe House. With everyone taking course after course of antibiotics to fend of more serious illnesses. Most suffer from unexplained blotches on our skin. Others suffer from serious breathing difficulties brought on by the excessive use of industrial chemicals. Due to these intolerable conditions, the irregular delivery of medication and the long term effects of beatings at the hands of the riot squad, a few Republicans have had to be taken to outside Hospitals.

In spite of the presence of dozens of riot-clad Screws on the Wing, emergency buzzers go unanswered for hours. On cold days, heat in the Cells are turned off at the whim of sectarian Screws who like their predecessors in the H-Blocks, clearly take pleasure in petty and daily torture of vulnerable republicans at their mercy.

However, the worst experience of all remains the regular Strip-Search, again at the hands of the riot squad. This exercise in brutality is carried out not for security reasons, but for political and financial ends, satisfying both Unionist mindsets at Stormont and monetary demands from the Loyalist POA.

Our representatives in Cogús / RNU along with comrades in various other support groups have reminded the world on endless occasions of the alternatives exist which render the strip-search a relic of darker days.

David Ford the human rights hypocrite is fully aware of these alternatives but refuses to act, bowing only to own his selfish political ambition and betraying both the August agreement and his own voters in the process.

I hope the above account helps readers better understand the serious problems that exist in Maghaberry Gaol. What is required is a root and branch change of the entire system there, to ensure that all Prisoners (political and otherwise) can live with human rights and dignity.

If this was happening anywhere else in the world it would be condemned by the British and Stormont governments unconditionally, still as is the way with so much in the modern world, hypocrisy reigns supreme and these people still fail to recognise the basic human rights of Irish citizens.

Former Republican Prisoner,

Eugene McLoone (Derry)

They're just criminals are they spot?..... Why arent they treated as such? they have a wing just for republicans irishmen? But they're just criminals?

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:20 am

For Marian.

I don't know you

And you don't know the half of it

I had a starring role

I was the bad guy who walked out

They said be careful where you aim

'Cause where you aim you just might hit

You can hold onto something so tight

You've already lost it

Dragging me down

That's not the way it used to be

You can't even remember

What I'm trying to forget

It was a dirty day

Dirty day

You're looking for explanations

I don't even understand

If you need someone to blame

Throw a rock in the air

You'll hit someone guilty

From father to son

In one life has begun

A work that's never done

Father to son

And love...it won't last kissin' time

And love...it won't last kissin' time

And love...it won't last kissin' time

Get it right

There's no blood thicker than ink

Hear what I say

Nothing's simple as you think

Wake up

Some things you can't get around

I'm in you

More so when they put me in the ground

These days, days, days run away like horses over the hill

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:39 am

fuzzywuzzy;1392107 wrote: floppy ..just dont ..this is serious. They keep changing the charge.

she doesnt' want to see you barstards because you are complicent in her internment ...politics politics politcs!!!! disgusting !!!

Instead of telling me 'just don't', how about an answer to my serious question?

If she's been raped, I missed it in this thread. If she wasn't in fact raped, the thread title is a disservice to rape victims.

I came in here sympathetic.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:50 am

you should be sympathetic ... not putting you down ...look it up . She was force fed over two hundred times ...what would you call it? Now they are having their way with her once again ...30 years later . that's not rape? and god knows what they did to her in those days nor now. Rape has nothing to do with sex ...remember that ...it's about power and control.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:18 am

the title "the rape Of Marian Price " is the movement .