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I have long and consistently advocated that the US immediately and permanently stop bankrolling all foreign aid. Rand Paul has finally said exactly the same thing. That's enough for him to earn my wholehearted endorsement for the next Presidency.

“I’m not singling out Israel. I support Israel. I want to be known as a friend of Israel, but not with money you don’t have,” he said. “We can’t just borrow from our kids’ future and give it to countries, even if they are our friends.”

And, he said, giving money to the country is especially unwise considering Israel’s relative wealth. “I think they’re an important ally, but I also think that their per capita income is greater than probably three-fourths of the rest of the world,” he said. “Should we be giving free money or welfare to a wealthy nation? I don’t think so.”

Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to IsraelAnd it has to include every single military appropriation, Senator. And every loan, interest-free or otherwise. Otherwise it's a sham.
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Same recommendation, but for nearly opposite reasons. Right, hater?

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Accountable;1353202 wrote: Same recommendation, but for nearly opposite reasons. Right, hater?


I haven't the slightest desire to see any Israeli or American harmed. I want to see their power and influence and capability curtailed, since both insist on harming when they're unconstrained.

There's a word, Acc. Irreparable. Beyond repair. That's what damage the Bush Administration did to the reputation of the USA. You seem not to realize the enormity of the events you've lived through recently. A change of administration makes not the slightest difference to the only possible solution. America must be prevented from participating in international affairs for the rest of this century. America has lost all claim to membership of the international community, much less leadership. You live in a rogue state, a pariah nation. Withdraw behind your borders and build a viable civil society before you ask permission to come back out.
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spot;1353203 wrote: I haven't the slightest desire to see any Israeli or American harmed. I want to see their power and influence and capability curtailed, since both insist on harming when they're unconstrained.

There's a word, Acc. Irreparable. Beyond repair. That's what damage the Bush Administration did to the reputation of the USA. You seem not to realize the enormity of the events you've lived through recently. A change of administration makes not the slightest difference to the only possible solution. America must be prevented from participating in international affairs for the rest of this century. America has lost all claim to membership of the international community, much less leadership. You live in a rogue state, a pariah nation. Withdraw behind your borders and build a viable civil society before you ask permission to come back out.


Yehhhh, no hate there at all.
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Accountable;1353204 wrote: Yehhhh, no hate there at all.


Do you honestly think I've always spoken in these terms? On the contrary, and despite the continual evidences of megalomaniac manifest-destiny ambition displayed by the US throughout my adult life, I gave both the governments and people of the US and Israel the benefit of the doubt in terms of an underlying basic decency and humanitarian credentials until the neo-cons arrived.

The problem of Israel and the problem of the US have been one and the same since then and that linkage isn't going to dissolve. Both countries need root and branch constitutional reform to legally prevent any return to the outrages of the last decade. If it takes a liquidity crisis or hyperinflation or plain old-fashioned stock-market meltdown I don't particularly care, what matters is that this has to permanently stop.

Put your house in order. Amend your lethal supremacist mentality. Cure yourselves of this insane compulsion to orchestrate the entire planet. As an indicator, when the US finally has no more of its population incarcerated than the civilized world does, you might just possibly be on the road to rehabilitation. The sooner you get started the sooner you'll get it done. Good luck.
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Accountable;1353202 wrote: Same recommendation, but for nearly opposite reasons. Right, hater?




So spot is hater for agreeing with a libertarian?! Don't you generally agree with Paul as well? :)
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[QUOTE=Accountable;1353204]Yehhhh, no hate there at all.[/QUOTE

It seems that any critique that Spot makes re: the U.S. is seen as hate.---------I agree with much of what he says re: the U.S. ---Is that hate as well?

Of course, there are those that take of the position of "My Country Right Or Wrong"----that's really sticking your head in the sand and ignoring facts.
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Propping up our Empire is killing us. We spend far more than the other top 5 combined. This is just stupid, half the time we end up fighting weapons we gave away or paid for.:-2 The A-stan army isn't buying Blackhawks, they're buying MILs. With US dollars.

Give me a break.:-5

As for hatred of America I can think of few more worthy subjects to put on that pedestal. I hold my country in contempt simply for sheer, colossal stupidity.
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Put your house in order. Amend your lethal supremacist mentality. Cure yourselves of this insane compulsion to orchestrate the entire planet. As an indicator, when the US finally has no more of its population incarcerated than the civilized world does, you might just possibly be on the road to rehabilitation. The sooner you get started the sooner you'll get it done. Good luck.


Well said. Sad part is America will be a 3rd world country before that happens.
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Interesting, we have the same thing happening in my country at the moment. (in relation to stopping foriegn aide to indonasia..I'll explain that in a minute)

Basically after the fires in VIC, floods of QLD, and then the cyclone, then again the floods throughout NSW and VIC again. Julia Gilliard (our Prime minister) asked the populace for a new tax (basically an emergency fund to help rebuild the counrty ) Anyone under the earnings of $50,000 don't have to pay it ..those in cyclone flood affected areas don't have to pay it. Just everyone else who can afford it .....The higher you earn, the more you pay ....Everybody equal . So if you earn under $100,000 a year it's about $20 . A one off payment. Everyone seems happy with it . Professors and economic experts all over Australia are praising such an honest transparent scheme and it makes economical sense.

Guess who's not happy ? Those earning over $200,000 annually . So the Abbott (the opposition leader and commonly known as Rabbit ) is going into bat for these people. He wants to cut funds to infrastuture, social services (another words the poor pay) and foreign aide to Indonasia...To raise the funds....Now we have to look at this foreign aide folly. He wants to cut the aide we give ....not to all of indonasia but just one place .....schools we support in the area where they had the Tsunami!!!!!!! And guess how he thought he would win us all over ? by mentioning they were Islamic schools . Tehn he makes a point that "Charity begins at home".

Well here's my two cents worth ........Of course they are bloody Islamic schools It's bloody indonasia for christs sake!!! They havent recovered from the tsunami and wont for a long time . We have infrustructure that needs to be 'fixed' it was not totally wiped out you stupid barstard ......And charity begins at home ???? Yes that's quite correct it does .......THE GIVING you stupid prick not the taking!!!!!! Adn obviously MR RABBIT has forgotten we are apart of Asia We live in Asian waters ......The charity IS staying at HOME!!!

Sigh ...I'm good now I have that out of my system.
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Let us see how he gets on at the next election - if he lasts that long!
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It's a question that is being constantly asked. One in particular is why do we give aid to economically stable countries, such as Singapore.

....over the last five years for which data are available, Britain has given £8.7 million in development aid to Singapore, whose gross domestic product per capita is the fourth highest in the world, and 46 per cent higher than our own. Did Britain really need to give millions to*the wealthy state of Singapore? - Telegraph




Why did Britain give £380,000 to Saudi Arabia ? Thats the sort of money a Saudi royal would keep in his back pocket.

On the other hand this article goes some way to explain why, for example why we give aid to India

India is growing so fast that it will be the second-largest economy in the world (after China) in a few decades. It has a space programme, a nuclear programme, and even an aid programme. So why do rich countries still give India aid? Fair question. But rather than an anomaly, is aid to India actually a blueprint for aid programmes of the future?


If India doesn't 'need' aid, why do foreign governments still give it? | Global development | guardian.co.uk
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Bryn Mawr;1353257 wrote: Let us see how he gets on at the next election - if he lasts that long!My guess is he has a good chance of making it through because he is now licking the boots of the business community.

I saw a headline the other day where Obama is once again courting marijuana users by raising the question of legalizing it's use, but I doubt he can win that group back. This is exactly how Clinton got reelected.

One other thing Obama has in his favor is (as was the same for Clinton) there isn't a republican on the planet who can deliver a speech anywhere near as effectively as he can. Non-conservative Americans love a good orator (conservatives apparently think it's too politically correct).
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spot;1353205 wrote: Do you honestly think I've always spoken in these terms? You have spoken in these terms for nearly as long as I have known you. I am uninterested in you trying to rationalize your hate to me. You hate America.

Spot Hates America!


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Accountable;1353283 wrote: You have spoken in these terms for nearly as long as I have known you. I am uninterested in you trying to rationalize your hate to me. You hate America.

Spot Hates America!


I don't know why the truth irritates you so. Own it. It yours.


This is such a broad term to hate America. Litererally that says you hate the U.S.A, Canada, Mexico, Guatemala, Brazil, etcetera..., as all are in North Central and South America. I think we are more focused on the U.S.A which even if you say Hate the U.S.A is not the proper use, when you only hate texas or delaware or conservatives, or liberals, or gays or blacks or, teens, or gun owners, or people who drive Toyota cars/and trucks/
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Accountable;1353283 wrote: I don't know why the truth irritates you so. Own it. It yours.It's quite evident that the irritation lies with you and not me. It's also clear from the thread that majority opinion says you're wrong, as do I. For goodness sake get this irrelevance of "hatred" out of your head and concentrate on what's actually being said.

Regardless of whether I hold animosity toward America or not, the facts I keep highlighting are genuine and need to be dealt with. By Americans. That means you. The issues are relevant, your fetish about my motivation isn't. Discussing my state of mind may be a wonderfully convenient deflection from the topics I raise but it's an unconvincing abdication of responsibility.
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Accountable;1353283 wrote: You have spoken in these terms for nearly as long as I have known you. I am uninterested in you trying to rationalize your hate to me. You hate America.

Spot Hates America!
I don't see it.
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littleCJelkton;1353288 wrote: This is such a broad term to hate America. Litererally that says you hate the U.S.A, Canada, Mexico, Guatemala, Brazil, etcetera..., as all are in North Central and South America. I think we are more focused on the U.S.A which even if you say Hate the U.S.A is not the proper use, when you only hate texas or delaware or conservatives, or liberals, or gays or blacks or, teens, or gun owners, or people who drive Toyota cars/and trucks/
Excellent point. I'll use USA from here on out.

eta: Although Spit also refers to us as America, so I'm back on the fence.
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Ahso!;1353291 wrote: I don't see it.
Only because you don't want to see it. Here this is, not to convince you but to force your willful blindness:

spot;1353203 wrote: A change of administration makes not the slightest difference to the only possible solution. America must be prevented from participating in international affairs for the rest of this century. America has lost all claim to membership of the international community, much less leadership.
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spot;1353289 wrote: Regardless of whether I hold animosity toward America or not, [...]
No, not regardless. The motivation and point of view is as relevant, possibly more so, as the statement itself. It matters when reading an opinion whether that opinion comes from a friend or a hate-filled bigot. When people read your opinions about the USA, they need to know that you have historically and consistently shown yourself to be bigotted against this great country (giving occassional lipservice equivalent to "some of my best friends are black") so that they can put them in proper context.
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Shooting the messenger...........................
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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spot;1353289 wrote: It's quite evident that the irritation lies with you and not me. It's also clear from the thread that majority opinion says you're wrong, as do I. For goodness sake get this irrelevance of "hatred" out of your head and concentrate on what's actually being said.

Regardless of whether I hold animosity toward America or not, the facts I keep highlighting are genuine and need to be dealt with. By Americans. That means you. The issues are relevant, your fetish about my motivation isn't. Discussing my state of mind may be a wonderfully convenient deflection from the topics I raise but it's an unconvincing abdication of responsibility.


Don't fool yourself here Spot. The rest of us just can't be bothered with you on this anymore.
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Accountable;1353293 wrote: Only because you don't want to see it. Here this is, not to convince you but to force your willful blindness:Quite honestly it seems he agrees with your view regarding parties. The rest is his personal solution which he has the right to opine.

Don't you have a Spot Hates America thread where you could post this stuff to? If not, why not create one and leave this thread to the subject it was created to address.

Between this, Baghda's sliminess, yaaarrrgg's dishonor and now my willful blindness, I'd say there's a pattern to examine worthy of your attention.
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Ahso!;1353305 wrote: Quite honestly it seems he agrees with your view regarding parties. The rest is his personal solution which he has the right to opine.

Don't you have a Spot Hates America thread where you could post this stuff to? If not, why not create one and leave this thread to the subject it was created to address.

Between this, Baghda's sliminess, yaaarrrgg's dishonor and now my willful blindness, I'd say there's a pattern to examine worthy of your attention.


dont forget I am missing a brain but at least which ironically like some of these other accuasations may be, the accusation of me missing my brain literaly is partialy true.
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Ahso!;1353305 wrote: Quite honestly it seems he agrees with your view regarding parties. The rest is his personal solution which he has the right to opine. As I said, willful blindness.

littleCJelkton;1353331 wrote: dont forget I am missing a brain but at least which ironically like some of these other accuasations may be, the accusation of me missing my brain literaly is partialy true.Who accused you of missing a brain?
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flopstock;1353304 wrote: Don't fool yourself here Spot. The rest of us just can't be bothered with you on this anymore.


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So what is it you (and the rest) plan on doing, Acct, cry about how Spot hates America whenever he posts his opinion on anything American? Are you going to force those of us who appreciate Spot's input to constantly deal with your pity-party sobbing?

Here's an idea: Learn to accept responsibility for your feelings.
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You haven't made a damn bit of sense in this thread. :wah: Please expound on how you think I have been irresponsible with my feelings.
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Own them. You obviously fail to understand that you are blaming Spot for the feelings you experience when he expresses certain opinions he holds. Your feelings are not his responsibility, they are yours. They were in you long before you ever met him. Spot or anyone else hating America would not bother you in the least unless you perceive a personal threat or insult of some sort. Find someone to talk it out with, that's probably the best advice anyone could offer you at this stage.
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Are you certain you adequately understand everything you've read?
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Accountable;1353355 wrote: As I said, willful blindness.

Who accused you of missing a brain?


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