Zionists.
YouTube - Louis Theroux: The Ultra Zionists
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Maybe we should make the Zionists watch this. Its very impressive.
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
Winston Churchill
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Dokka Umarov. A guest speaker on none other than Radio Free Europe.
Dokka Umarov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Chechen warlord Doku Umarov claims Moscow metro bombings - CSMonitor.com
If the west was truly against terrorism his supporters would not be hiding in countries such as Britain and allowed to travel freely.
Kind of sick isn't Snowfire? A perversion of all things good in this world.
Dokka Umarov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Chechen warlord Doku Umarov claims Moscow metro bombings - CSMonitor.com
If the west was truly against terrorism his supporters would not be hiding in countries such as Britain and allowed to travel freely.
Kind of sick isn't Snowfire? A perversion of all things good in this world.
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posted by snowfire
Maybe we should make the Zionists watch this. Its very impressive.
Why just them? zionists are not the only ones that insist the bible is the literal word of god and they are the chosen people.
Maybe we should make the Zionists watch this. Its very impressive.
Why just them? zionists are not the only ones that insist the bible is the literal word of god and they are the chosen people.
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gmc;1353192 wrote: posted by snowfire
Why just them? zionists are not the only ones that insist the bible is the literal word of god and they are the chosen people.
Well of course not but my post was appropriate given that Scrat's thread was specifically targeting Zionists and their extreme bigotry against the Palestinians and their arrogance in assuming their rights are God given. The word Zionist is in his opening post. My responding video is about a group of Jews in a Concentration Camp discussing and challenging the concept of "the chosen people and the promised land" as written in the bible - quite brilliantly in my view. In the context of Scrats posted video - wholly appropriate
It would have been more helpful to discuss both videos rather than a "Why just them" critique
Why just them? zionists are not the only ones that insist the bible is the literal word of god and they are the chosen people.
Well of course not but my post was appropriate given that Scrat's thread was specifically targeting Zionists and their extreme bigotry against the Palestinians and their arrogance in assuming their rights are God given. The word Zionist is in his opening post. My responding video is about a group of Jews in a Concentration Camp discussing and challenging the concept of "the chosen people and the promised land" as written in the bible - quite brilliantly in my view. In the context of Scrats posted video - wholly appropriate
It would have been more helpful to discuss both videos rather than a "Why just them" critique
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
Winston Churchill
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What I wanted to do was find out more about Americas terrorist network. Terrorists are usually independent groups acting along ethnic lines such as Zionists and Palestinians or they are also used by governments as in the case of Russias problem. This isn't about one specific group. As a rule a terror organization cannot exist without support of some kind.
Boris Berezovsky (businessman) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There were persistent reports of Berezovsky sponsoring terrorists in Chechnya. In an interview to Forbes Magazine, Ichkeria's President Aslan Maskhadov referred to Boris Berezovsky as one of the persons most responsible for the war in the Caucasus.[30][54]
Yusup Soslambekov, chairman of the Confederation of the Peoples of the Caucasus, regarded Berezovsky as his personal enemy and threatened to disclose evidence of Berezovsky's involvement with certain Chechen warlords whom he hired to help him in his shady dealings with Chechnya's oil, drug trafficking, hostage-taking and similar pursuits. Soon after Yusup Soslambekov fell victim to a contract killing in Moscow. Even before that Akmal Saidov, who had also unearthed facts about Berezovsky's criminal activities in the Caucasus, was kidnapped; his body was later found.[30]
According to Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov, Boris Berezovsky encouraged Chechen warlords Shamil Basayev and Salman Raduyev to kidnap people so that Berezovsky could finance them by paying ransoms. Kadyrov said he personally witnessed the agreement. "He couldn’t just give money to the militants, so he invented this mechanism. In my presence, Berezovsky suggested to Raduev and Basaev: ‘Capture people and I’ll ransom them. I’ll get good publicity and you’ll get money.’ He paid millions of dollars to Basaev", Kadyrov said in an interview with Rossiyskaya Gazeta in April, 2009.[55] Kadyrov also said he believed Berezovsky was behind the killing of journalist Anna Politkovskaya.[55]
In early 2009, former Chechen separatist Bukhari Barayev, and brother of the notorious Chechen separatist field commander Arbi Barayev, who was killed in 2001, referred to Berezovsky as "the extremists' bread winner".[56]
Berezovsky said that he had a conversation with the Chechen Islamist leader Movladi Udugov in 1999, six months before the beginning of fighting in Dagestan.[57] A transcript of the phone conversation between Berezovsky and Udugov was leaked to one of Moscow tabloids on September 10, 1999.[58] Udugov proposed to start the Dagestan war to provoke the Russian response, topple the Chechen president Aslan Maskhadov and establish a new Islamic republic of Basayev-Udugov that would be friendly to Russia. Berezovsky asserted that he refused the offer, but "Udugov and Basayev conspired with Stepashin and Putin to provoke a war to topple Maskhadov ... but the agreement was for the Russian army to stop at the Terek River. However, Putin double-crossed the Chechens and started an all-out war.
Boris Berezovsky (businessman) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There were persistent reports of Berezovsky sponsoring terrorists in Chechnya. In an interview to Forbes Magazine, Ichkeria's President Aslan Maskhadov referred to Boris Berezovsky as one of the persons most responsible for the war in the Caucasus.[30][54]
Yusup Soslambekov, chairman of the Confederation of the Peoples of the Caucasus, regarded Berezovsky as his personal enemy and threatened to disclose evidence of Berezovsky's involvement with certain Chechen warlords whom he hired to help him in his shady dealings with Chechnya's oil, drug trafficking, hostage-taking and similar pursuits. Soon after Yusup Soslambekov fell victim to a contract killing in Moscow. Even before that Akmal Saidov, who had also unearthed facts about Berezovsky's criminal activities in the Caucasus, was kidnapped; his body was later found.[30]
According to Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov, Boris Berezovsky encouraged Chechen warlords Shamil Basayev and Salman Raduyev to kidnap people so that Berezovsky could finance them by paying ransoms. Kadyrov said he personally witnessed the agreement. "He couldn’t just give money to the militants, so he invented this mechanism. In my presence, Berezovsky suggested to Raduev and Basaev: ‘Capture people and I’ll ransom them. I’ll get good publicity and you’ll get money.’ He paid millions of dollars to Basaev", Kadyrov said in an interview with Rossiyskaya Gazeta in April, 2009.[55] Kadyrov also said he believed Berezovsky was behind the killing of journalist Anna Politkovskaya.[55]
In early 2009, former Chechen separatist Bukhari Barayev, and brother of the notorious Chechen separatist field commander Arbi Barayev, who was killed in 2001, referred to Berezovsky as "the extremists' bread winner".[56]
Berezovsky said that he had a conversation with the Chechen Islamist leader Movladi Udugov in 1999, six months before the beginning of fighting in Dagestan.[57] A transcript of the phone conversation between Berezovsky and Udugov was leaked to one of Moscow tabloids on September 10, 1999.[58] Udugov proposed to start the Dagestan war to provoke the Russian response, topple the Chechen president Aslan Maskhadov and establish a new Islamic republic of Basayev-Udugov that would be friendly to Russia. Berezovsky asserted that he refused the offer, but "Udugov and Basayev conspired with Stepashin and Putin to provoke a war to topple Maskhadov ... but the agreement was for the Russian army to stop at the Terek River. However, Putin double-crossed the Chechens and started an all-out war.
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Snowfire;1353229 wrote: Well of course not but my post was appropriate given that Scrat's thread was specifically targeting Zionists and their extreme bigotry against the Palestinians and their arrogance in assuming their rights are God given. The word Zionist is in his opening post. My responding video is about a group of Jews in a Concentration Camp discussing and challenging the concept of "the chosen people and the promised land" as written in the bible - quite brilliantly in my view. In the context of Scrats posted video - wholly appropriate
It would have been more helpful to discuss both videos rather than a "Why just them" critique
Fair point. the thing is though in all fairness you can't confine your discussion to just zionists. The states has a record of supporting right wing terrorist groups in south america for instance, but invariably if you make that point you get accused of being anti-american. They have even supported anti-british terrorists groups in the past and it tokk 911 for them to realise what terrorism is really about.
The west is also inconsistent, they supported muslim terrorists in afghanistan till they were successful in overthrowing a secular regime. Arguably they wouldn' have managed it without not only training but also arms and equipment. Now they are fighting the very same insurgents in afghanistan . they were very well trained by both american and british special forces.
remember this?
YouTube - RAMBO 3 TRAILER HIGH DEFINITION (HD)
I suppose what I'm saying is why just pick on israel? the wests terrorists come in all shapes and sizes. If it suited they would back muslim terrorists in china and russia or the blue people with pink spots liberation front terrorist group. Or am I being a bit cynical? There is nothing particularly noble any any countries foreign policy but matbe in the internet age governments can be held more accountable by their people.
It would have been more helpful to discuss both videos rather than a "Why just them" critique
Fair point. the thing is though in all fairness you can't confine your discussion to just zionists. The states has a record of supporting right wing terrorist groups in south america for instance, but invariably if you make that point you get accused of being anti-american. They have even supported anti-british terrorists groups in the past and it tokk 911 for them to realise what terrorism is really about.
The west is also inconsistent, they supported muslim terrorists in afghanistan till they were successful in overthrowing a secular regime. Arguably they wouldn' have managed it without not only training but also arms and equipment. Now they are fighting the very same insurgents in afghanistan . they were very well trained by both american and british special forces.
remember this?
YouTube - RAMBO 3 TRAILER HIGH DEFINITION (HD)
I suppose what I'm saying is why just pick on israel? the wests terrorists come in all shapes and sizes. If it suited they would back muslim terrorists in china and russia or the blue people with pink spots liberation front terrorist group. Or am I being a bit cynical? There is nothing particularly noble any any countries foreign policy but matbe in the internet age governments can be held more accountable by their people.
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gmc;1353347 wrote: Fair point. the thing is though in all fairness you can't confine your discussion to just zionists. The states has a record of supporting right wing terrorist groups in south america for instance, but invariably if you make that point you get accused of being anti-american. They have even supported anti-british terrorists groups in the past and it tokk 911 for them to realise what terrorism is really about.
The west is also inconsistent, they supported muslim terrorists in afghanistan till they were successful in overthrowing a secular regime. Arguably they wouldn' have managed it without not only training but also arms and equipment. Now they are fighting the very same insurgents in afghanistan . they were very well trained by both american and british special forces.
remember this?
YouTube - RAMBO 3 TRAILER HIGH DEFINITION (HD)
I suppose what I'm saying is why just pick on israel? the wests terrorists come in all shapes and sizes. If it suited they would back muslim terrorists in china and russia or the blue people with pink spots liberation front terrorist group. Or am I being a bit cynical? There is nothing particularly noble any any countries foreign policy but matbe in the internet age governments can be held more accountable by their people.
I wouldn't argue with any of your points and Scrat has since highlighted that he didn't want the thread to focus on the Zionists . It was a good lead in to the subject.
The truth is that there are few communities in this world untouched by terrorism - state sponsored or otherwise and most of humanity recognise and abhor it. Governments throughout the world, however, are using it, as you rightly say, to their own ends. Condemning it in public but manipulating it behind the scenes. My enemies enemy is my friend still rings true
The west is also inconsistent, they supported muslim terrorists in afghanistan till they were successful in overthrowing a secular regime. Arguably they wouldn' have managed it without not only training but also arms and equipment. Now they are fighting the very same insurgents in afghanistan . they were very well trained by both american and british special forces.
remember this?
YouTube - RAMBO 3 TRAILER HIGH DEFINITION (HD)
I suppose what I'm saying is why just pick on israel? the wests terrorists come in all shapes and sizes. If it suited they would back muslim terrorists in china and russia or the blue people with pink spots liberation front terrorist group. Or am I being a bit cynical? There is nothing particularly noble any any countries foreign policy but matbe in the internet age governments can be held more accountable by their people.
I wouldn't argue with any of your points and Scrat has since highlighted that he didn't want the thread to focus on the Zionists . It was a good lead in to the subject.
The truth is that there are few communities in this world untouched by terrorism - state sponsored or otherwise and most of humanity recognise and abhor it. Governments throughout the world, however, are using it, as you rightly say, to their own ends. Condemning it in public but manipulating it behind the scenes. My enemies enemy is my friend still rings true
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
Winston Churchill
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Snowfire;1353351 wrote: My enemies enemy is my friend still rings true
Until, that is, they start shooting at me with the weapons I sold them. So long as you have foreign policy where copmmercial interests call the tune (no matter what the supposed justification is) nothing will ever change. The internet is making a difference I think, governments can't hise what they are doing so readily or squash reports on what is happening. That's why, imo, they all now want to have more control over the internet. I might niot want to watcy something but i object to someone telling me I can't if i want to.
Until, that is, they start shooting at me with the weapons I sold them. So long as you have foreign policy where copmmercial interests call the tune (no matter what the supposed justification is) nothing will ever change. The internet is making a difference I think, governments can't hise what they are doing so readily or squash reports on what is happening. That's why, imo, they all now want to have more control over the internet. I might niot want to watcy something but i object to someone telling me I can't if i want to.
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The internet is making a difference I think....
particularly wikileaks. Governments may want to close or restrict them but the internet can be a place to "broadcast under cover" if you will. I can see more of wikileaks type sites cropping up if governments try to hit back
particularly wikileaks. Governments may want to close or restrict them but the internet can be a place to "broadcast under cover" if you will. I can see more of wikileaks type sites cropping up if governments try to hit back
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
Winston Churchill
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Remember the Iran contra affair, Ben Linder, Reagan and Oliver North? This is text book quality.
Ben Linder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Iran
Ben Linder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Iran
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Snowfire;1353387 wrote: particularly wikileaks. Governments may want to close or restrict them but the internet can be a place to "broadcast under cover" if you will. I can see more of wikileaks type sites cropping up if governments try to hit back
Be interesting to see what happens to Bradley Manning. Dare they give him a jury trial?
Be interesting to see what happens to Bradley Manning. Dare they give him a jury trial?
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gmc;1353430 wrote: Be interesting to see what happens to Bradley Manning. Dare they give him a jury trial?
WTF are you babbling about? :yh_ttth
WTF are you babbling about? :yh_ttth
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BaghdadBob;1353433 wrote: WTF are you babbling about? :yh_ttth
The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."
The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."
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Be interesting to see what happens to Bradley Manning. Dare they give him a jury trial?
That guy is is in the gulag. They had a saying in Russia in WWII. A German prisoner would ask a guard on a march to a POW camp, "When will we see a barracks?" The guard answered, "You will never see a fence".
He'll never see a jury. Nor will Assange if they get him which I think is likely.
The constitution is 235 years old. In short it's far out of date. America and the world is nothing like it used to be in those days. It has become more of a nuisance than anything else. An excuse to obstruct instead of progress. It needs to be changed to fit the times, if it's of use at all.
America has not succeeded in this world because of that piece of paper there are other reasons. Too much weight is given to it, it's just part of a ploy.
That guy is is in the gulag. They had a saying in Russia in WWII. A German prisoner would ask a guard on a march to a POW camp, "When will we see a barracks?" The guard answered, "You will never see a fence".
He'll never see a jury. Nor will Assange if they get him which I think is likely.
The constitution is 235 years old. In short it's far out of date. America and the world is nothing like it used to be in those days. It has become more of a nuisance than anything else. An excuse to obstruct instead of progress. It needs to be changed to fit the times, if it's of use at all.
America has not succeeded in this world because of that piece of paper there are other reasons. Too much weight is given to it, it's just part of a ploy.
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Scrat;1353468 wrote: That guy is is in the gulag. They had a saying in Russia in WWII. A German prisoner would ask a guard on a march to a POW camp, "When will we see a barracks?" The guard answered, "You will never see a fence".
He'll never see a jury. Nor will Assange if they get him which I think is likely.
The constitution is 235 years old. In short it's far out of date. America and the world is nothing like it used to be in those days. It has become more of a nuisance than anything else. An excuse to obstruct instead of progress. It needs to be changed to fit the times, if it's of use at all.
America has not succeeded in this world because of that piece of paper there are other reasons. Too much weight is given to it, it's just part of a ploy.
:wah:
He'll never see a jury. Nor will Assange if they get him which I think is likely.
The constitution is 235 years old. In short it's far out of date. America and the world is nothing like it used to be in those days. It has become more of a nuisance than anything else. An excuse to obstruct instead of progress. It needs to be changed to fit the times, if it's of use at all.
America has not succeeded in this world because of that piece of paper there are other reasons. Too much weight is given to it, it's just part of a ploy.
:wah:
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littleCJelkton;1353451 wrote: The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."
At least your post makes more sense, Lilc, than scrat's. :wah:
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."
At least your post makes more sense, Lilc, than scrat's. :wah:
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I try
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BaghdadBob;1353433 wrote: WTF are you babbling about? :yh_ttth
Surely you know who Bradley Manning is?
WikiLeaks's alleged source Bradley Manning held in 'punitive' conditions | World news | The Guardian
There are two essentials to freedom. The freedom from arbitrary arrest by the state and the right to face your accusers in a court. I'm sure it's in your constitution somewhere. Being held for nine months without being charged trial hardly constitutes fair treatment. If they actually hace something to charge him with why haven't they? A jury trial also enures that a judge appointed by the state can't just decide the guilt or onnocence of an individual that is in the hands of jury of his peers. Not a perfct system but still the best of those that have been tried.
Am I correct in assuming you don't think people should be held without trial? For all your odd ideas I find it hard to believe you think a state should have the right just to imprison people when they feel like it.
Surely you know who Bradley Manning is?
WikiLeaks's alleged source Bradley Manning held in 'punitive' conditions | World news | The Guardian
There are two essentials to freedom. The freedom from arbitrary arrest by the state and the right to face your accusers in a court. I'm sure it's in your constitution somewhere. Being held for nine months without being charged trial hardly constitutes fair treatment. If they actually hace something to charge him with why haven't they? A jury trial also enures that a judge appointed by the state can't just decide the guilt or onnocence of an individual that is in the hands of jury of his peers. Not a perfct system but still the best of those that have been tried.
Am I correct in assuming you don't think people should be held without trial? For all your odd ideas I find it hard to believe you think a state should have the right just to imprison people when they feel like it.
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Here's another. I recently read an article in Red Star that the Russians were tracking some unknown individuals out in the mountains of Chechnya using some new surveillance system on their KA-52. It seems they were heading back to Georgia. Just who they were they don't know but the Russians suspect Georgia is harboring terrorists. Or at least doing nothing to stop them using NE Georgia as a base.
Anyway Shakeasswilly is a favorite of America and he may be headed for trouble.
Commentary: The Mubarak of Georgia | The National Interest
Anyway Shakeasswilly is a favorite of America and he may be headed for trouble.
Commentary: The Mubarak of Georgia | The National Interest
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Scrat;1354517 wrote: Here's another. I recently read an article in Red Star that the Russians were tracking some unknown individuals out in the mountains of Chechnya using some new surveillance system on their KA-52. It seems they were heading back to Georgia. Just who they were they don't know but the Russians suspect Georgia is harboring terrorists. Or at least doing nothing to stop them using NE Georgia as a base.
Anyway Shakeasswilly is a favorite of America and he may be headed for trouble.
Commentary: The Mubarak of Georgia | The National Interest
America can't seem to get beyond a cold war mentality, trouble is aggression breds aggression in response I suppose the knack is to be assertive without being overly aggressive.
Anyway Shakeasswilly is a favorite of America and he may be headed for trouble.
Commentary: The Mubarak of Georgia | The National Interest
America can't seem to get beyond a cold war mentality, trouble is aggression breds aggression in response I suppose the knack is to be assertive without being overly aggressive.