Unfortunately, many in the west will see it differently.
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Lon;1327721 wrote: Unfortunately, many in the west will see it differently.
Taliban Stone Couple For Adultery In Afghanistan Sorry Lonnie.. I beat you to it. I already put It In a thread about Sharia Law In the UK a few hours ago.
Taliban Stone Couple For Adultery In Afghanistan Sorry Lonnie.. I beat you to it. I already put It In a thread about Sharia Law In the UK a few hours ago.
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Yes it does Lon, that's the problem, while we are finding reasons to accept and tollerate, they are doing this kind of stuff and trying to change our laws from within to allow for it.
In Canada and the UK they are trying to bring in their own Sharia Law to govern themselves, where does it stop?
In Canada and the UK they are trying to bring in their own Sharia Law to govern themselves, where does it stop?
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They are like a cancer. Ya gotta cut 'em out.
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mikeinie;1327777 wrote: Yes it does Lon, that's the problem, while we are finding reasons to accept and tollerate, they are doing this kind of stuff and trying to change our laws from within to allow for it.
In Canada and the UK they are trying to bring in their own Sharia Law to govern themselves, where does it stop?
Well, you said they are trying, but have they succeded? Also, when many people think of Muslims/Islam, they only think of the middle east. What about all the black Muslims of the US and the rest of the world? I never hear of anyone complaining of them setting up mosques and trying to "defeat from within". Mainly because they aren't trying to. I agree that we all need to be concerned with radical Muslims, but I am just as afraid or cautious of, any radicals no matter what their religion, if they are trying push their views on me.
In Canada and the UK they are trying to bring in their own Sharia Law to govern themselves, where does it stop?
Well, you said they are trying, but have they succeded? Also, when many people think of Muslims/Islam, they only think of the middle east. What about all the black Muslims of the US and the rest of the world? I never hear of anyone complaining of them setting up mosques and trying to "defeat from within". Mainly because they aren't trying to. I agree that we all need to be concerned with radical Muslims, but I am just as afraid or cautious of, any radicals no matter what their religion, if they are trying push their views on me.
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hoppy;1327782 wrote: They are like a cancer. Ya gotta cut 'em out."They", hoppy? There are very few countries which don't have Muslim citizens. Would you make it a jailable offence to convert to Islam? Would you revoke citizenship for Muslims? Both our countries have millions of them.
Different countries have different laws, the Afghans have theirs just as much as Western countries do. Every country has some laws I'd consider pretty vile. Adultery's illegal in Afghanistan just as much as apostacy is, both carry the death penalty. The Afghans would be far better placed to modify their legal code if they didn't have to live with Western occupation forces. Pull out and let them deal with their own problems themselves, it's not your job.
Different countries have different laws, the Afghans have theirs just as much as Western countries do. Every country has some laws I'd consider pretty vile. Adultery's illegal in Afghanistan just as much as apostacy is, both carry the death penalty. The Afghans would be far better placed to modify their legal code if they didn't have to live with Western occupation forces. Pull out and let them deal with their own problems themselves, it's not your job.
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hoppy;1327782 wrote: They are like a cancer. Ya gotta cut 'em out.
WOW !
don't worry hoppy, some countries are taking care of Muslims to cut them out.. Israel are killing hundreds of Muslims every single day for more than 50 years.. U.S.A government is supporting Israel so things are going well in your side..
I really wonder who's right and who's wrong?!?!
WOW !
don't worry hoppy, some countries are taking care of Muslims to cut them out.. Israel are killing hundreds of Muslims every single day for more than 50 years.. U.S.A government is supporting Israel so things are going well in your side..
I really wonder who's right and who's wrong?!?!
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oscar;1327722 wrote: Sorry Lonnie.. I beat you to it. I already put It In a thread about Sharia Law In the UK a few hours ago.
Islamic law does not just kill every adultery situation...
they do stoning IF the tow who did it are married but having sex with another man or women.. and they admit it..
that's not my law or any human's law, It's form God when the holly Qura'an came from God.
so rules are rules, even in your country your rules are your rules, that's it
Islamic law does not just kill every adultery situation...
they do stoning IF the tow who did it are married but having sex with another man or women.. and they admit it..
that's not my law or any human's law, It's form God when the holly Qura'an came from God.
so rules are rules, even in your country your rules are your rules, that's it
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M.A.S;1327786 wrote: WOW !
don't worry hoppy, some countries are taking care of Muslims to cut them out.. Israel are killing hundreds of Muslims every single day for more than 50 years.. U.S.A government is supporting Israel so things are going well in your side..
I really wonder who's right and who's wrong?!?!
Hundreds every day, huh? Where do you get your numbers?
don't worry hoppy, some countries are taking care of Muslims to cut them out.. Israel are killing hundreds of Muslims every single day for more than 50 years.. U.S.A government is supporting Israel so things are going well in your side..
I really wonder who's right and who's wrong?!?!
Hundreds every day, huh? Where do you get your numbers?
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hoppy;1327791 wrote: Hundreds every day, huh? Where do you get your numbers?Perhaps it might be more accurate to say at a rate of a hundred dead Palestinian civilians to each dead Israeli. Which is around the same kill rate Western armed forces expect to achieve combatting any foreign insurgency. In both cases it's disproportionate slaughter with a wanton disregard for justice.
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hoppy;1327782 wrote: They are like a cancer. Ya gotta cut 'em out.
I wouldn't just worry about the moslems.
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You already have a history of christian terrorism in the states as it is. Next thing will be a demand for national prayers and if you don't want to pray for your country - well that's just downright unpatriotic.
I wouldn't just worry about the moslems.
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You already have a history of christian terrorism in the states as it is. Next thing will be a demand for national prayers and if you don't want to pray for your country - well that's just downright unpatriotic.
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hoppy;1327791 wrote: Hundreds every day, huh? Where do you get your numbers?
you'll know my numbers when you know Palestine and Gaza.. you're concerned about the numbers more than Shedding of blood that they did...
why didn't you ask me whey Israel kill people ?? or why Israel is grabbing Palestanian lands??
you'll know my numbers when you know Palestine and Gaza.. you're concerned about the numbers more than Shedding of blood that they did...
why didn't you ask me whey Israel kill people ?? or why Israel is grabbing Palestanian lands??
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mikeinie;1327777 wrote: Yes it does Lon, that's the problem, while we are finding reasons to accept and tollerate, they are doing this kind of stuff and trying to change our laws from within to allow for it.
In Canada and the UK they are trying to bring in their own Sharia Law to govern themselves, where does it stop?
Shiria Law is not all islam anymore than Lutherans are all Christianity. Interpretation of Shiria Law varies within Islam.
In Canada and the UK they are trying to bring in their own Sharia Law to govern themselves, where does it stop?
Shiria Law is not all islam anymore than Lutherans are all Christianity. Interpretation of Shiria Law varies within Islam.
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spot;1327785 wrote:
Different countries have different laws, the Afghans have theirs just as much as Western countries do. Every country has some laws I'd consider pretty vile. Adultery's illegal in Afghanistan just as much as apostacy is, both carry the death penalty. The Afghans would be far better placed to modify their legal code if they didn't have to live with Western occupation forces. Pull out and let them deal with their own problems themselves, it's not your job. If you read the article, you would see that the couple were not married so they were not commiting adultery.
The over-all episode Is nasty from start to finish. A young couple forcibly betrothed to partners they did not want and now In the UK we have honour killings rising.
Different countries have different laws, the Afghans have theirs just as much as Western countries do. Every country has some laws I'd consider pretty vile. Adultery's illegal in Afghanistan just as much as apostacy is, both carry the death penalty. The Afghans would be far better placed to modify their legal code if they didn't have to live with Western occupation forces. Pull out and let them deal with their own problems themselves, it's not your job. If you read the article, you would see that the couple were not married so they were not commiting adultery.
The over-all episode Is nasty from start to finish. A young couple forcibly betrothed to partners they did not want and now In the UK we have honour killings rising.
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M.A.S;1327787 wrote: Islamic law does not just kill every adultery situation...
they do stoning IF the tow who did it are married but having sex with another man or women.. and they admit it..
that's not my law or any human's law, It's form God when the holly Qura'an came from God.
so rules are rules, even in your country your rules are your rules, that's it
Mas,
Do you agree with this stoning because it's in the Qura'an? Should people be stoned to death because they had affairs whether married or not?
Just because something is a law, doesn't mean that it's fair. That's why we can go to court and fight unjust laws hopefully changing that unfair law.
they do stoning IF the tow who did it are married but having sex with another man or women.. and they admit it..
that's not my law or any human's law, It's form God when the holly Qura'an came from God.
so rules are rules, even in your country your rules are your rules, that's it
Mas,
Do you agree with this stoning because it's in the Qura'an? Should people be stoned to death because they had affairs whether married or not?
Just because something is a law, doesn't mean that it's fair. That's why we can go to court and fight unjust laws hopefully changing that unfair law.
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oscar;1327812 wrote: If you read the article, you would see that the couple were not married so they were not commiting adultery.
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If you are unmarried you cannot commit adultery ?
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If you are unmarried you cannot commit adultery ?
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Bruv;1327819 wrote: If you are unmarried you cannot commit adultery ? It Is hardly the same Is It?
Marraige Is taking vows In the eyes of God...
Being forcibly betrothed to another by choice of your family Is another.
I married my husband because I chose him. I took my vows because I chose to and have honoured them.
This couple were not married. Their partners I am assuming were chosen by their families.
What happened to freedom of choice?
Marraige Is taking vows In the eyes of God...
Being forcibly betrothed to another by choice of your family Is another.
I married my husband because I chose him. I took my vows because I chose to and have honoured them.
This couple were not married. Their partners I am assuming were chosen by their families.
What happened to freedom of choice?
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oscar;1327822 wrote: It Is hardly the same Is It?
The man was married and the women knew it, that is adultery.
I believe these extreme events are more cultural to specific areas rather than Islamic
The man was married and the women knew it, that is adultery.
I believe these extreme events are more cultural to specific areas rather than Islamic
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Bruv;1327827 wrote: The man was married and the women knew it, that is adultery.
I believe these extreme events are more cultural to specific areas rather than Islamic
So how about a BNP Government who Introduced the same law? You would be reviled.
I believe these extreme events are more cultural to specific areas rather than Islamic
So how about a BNP Government who Introduced the same law? You would be reviled.
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oscar;1327829 wrote: So how about a BNP Government who Introduced the same law? You would be reviled.
What are you on about now ?
All I said was a single person CAN commit adultery with a married person.
How did you manage to squeeze two evil groups into such a small thread ?
And as I said local culture rather than Islamic
What are you on about now ?
All I said was a single person CAN commit adultery with a married person.
How did you manage to squeeze two evil groups into such a small thread ?
And as I said local culture rather than Islamic
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Bruv;1327832 wrote: What are you on about now ?
All I said was a single person CAN commit adultery with a married person.
How did you manage to squeeze two evil groups into such a small thread ?
And as I said local culture rather than Islamic
It Is quite simple... Your posts lead us to believe that you are condoning the stoning to death of 2 human beings for falling In love with people of their choosing yet would be reviled should a BNP Government Imposed the same here. A tad hypocritcal ?
All I said was a single person CAN commit adultery with a married person.
How did you manage to squeeze two evil groups into such a small thread ?
And as I said local culture rather than Islamic
It Is quite simple... Your posts lead us to believe that you are condoning the stoning to death of 2 human beings for falling In love with people of their choosing yet would be reviled should a BNP Government Imposed the same here. A tad hypocritcal ?
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oscar;1327834 wrote: Your posts lead us to believe that you are condoning the stoning to death of 2 human beings for falling In love with people of their choosing yet would be reviled should a BNP Government Imposed the same here. A tad hypocritcal ?
OH NO !!
You said If you read the article, you would see that the couple were not married so they were not commiting adultery.
I pointed out they did commit adultery, never condoned anything or mention the BNP.
I did give an interesting link indicating the stoning was more a local cultural thing than Islamic.
HERE it is AGAIN
The site might give you some insight into Islam, rather than Daily paper rants.
OH NO !!
You said If you read the article, you would see that the couple were not married so they were not commiting adultery.
I pointed out they did commit adultery, never condoned anything or mention the BNP.
I did give an interesting link indicating the stoning was more a local cultural thing than Islamic.
HERE it is AGAIN
The site might give you some insight into Islam, rather than Daily paper rants.
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oscar;1327834 wrote: It Is quite simple... Your posts lead us to believe that you are condoning the stoning to death of 2 human beings for falling In love with people of their choosing yet would be reviled should a BNP Government Imposed the same here. A tad hypocritcal ?
Oscar, I think that Bruv was questioning your definition of the word 'adultery.' He seemed to point out that a single person can also commit adultry with a married person.
Oscar, I think that Bruv was questioning your definition of the word 'adultery.' He seemed to point out that a single person can also commit adultry with a married person.
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Bruv;1327839 wrote: OH NO !!
You said
I pointed out they did commit adultery, never condoned anything or mention the BNP.
I did give an interesting link indicating the stoning was more a local cultural thing than Islamic.
HERE it is AGAIN
The site might give you some insight into Islam, rather than Daily paper rants. How Is the stoning to death of 2 human beings a 'Daily Paper Rant' ?
I find It more disturbing that you seem to be defending this culture.
You said
I pointed out they did commit adultery, never condoned anything or mention the BNP.
I did give an interesting link indicating the stoning was more a local cultural thing than Islamic.
HERE it is AGAIN
The site might give you some insight into Islam, rather than Daily paper rants. How Is the stoning to death of 2 human beings a 'Daily Paper Rant' ?
I find It more disturbing that you seem to be defending this culture.
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Thank you Kathy Ellen
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oscar;1327841 wrote: How Is the stoning to death of 2 human beings a 'Daily Paper Rant' ?
I find It more disturbing that you seem to be defending this culture.
The stoning is attributed to be Islamic practice, meanwhile around the world other Muslims are commiting adultery and not getting stoned to death.
The stoning is abhorrent, I do NOT condone stoning adulterers, but the stoning is more in keeping with local custom than Islamic practice, in general.
I do believe a decline in the morals of the western world has somewhat caused the rise of Islam as a reaction.......but that is another story.
I find It more disturbing that you seem to be defending this culture.
The stoning is attributed to be Islamic practice, meanwhile around the world other Muslims are commiting adultery and not getting stoned to death.
The stoning is abhorrent, I do NOT condone stoning adulterers, but the stoning is more in keeping with local custom than Islamic practice, in general.
I do believe a decline in the morals of the western world has somewhat caused the rise of Islam as a reaction.......but that is another story.
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Kathy Ellen;1327816 wrote: Mas,
Do you agree with this stoning because it's in the Qura'an? Should people be stoned to death because they had affairs whether married or not?
Just because something is a law, doesn't mean that it's fair. That's why we can go to court and fight unjust laws hopefully changing that unfair law.
so are you saying that cheating between married couples is OK?? do you agree that your rules get broken??
why don't they just get married and every thing will be ok
Do you agree with this stoning because it's in the Qura'an? Should people be stoned to death because they had affairs whether married or not?
Just because something is a law, doesn't mean that it's fair. That's why we can go to court and fight unjust laws hopefully changing that unfair law.
so are you saying that cheating between married couples is OK?? do you agree that your rules get broken??
why don't they just get married and every thing will be ok
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Oscar and Lon appear to be referring to different stoning.
oscar
Afghan couple stoned to death for adultery by Taliban | Mail Online
A man and a woman have been stoned to death in Afghanistan over an alleged love affair.
Their families asked the Taliban to arrest the two, who were each engaged to other people, after they tried to elope.
Their deaths come a week after it was revealed Islamic militants in the country had flogged and executed a woman accused of adultery.
Lon
Taliban Stone Couple For Adultery In Afghanistan
The woman, Sadiqa, was 20 years old and engaged to another man, said the Kunduz provincial police chief, Gen. Abdul Raza Yaqoubi. Her lover, 28-year-old Qayum, left his wife to run away with her, and the two had holed up in a friend's house five days ago, said district government head, Mohammad Ayub Aqyar.
oscar
Afghan couple stoned to death for adultery by Taliban | Mail Online
A man and a woman have been stoned to death in Afghanistan over an alleged love affair.
Their families asked the Taliban to arrest the two, who were each engaged to other people, after they tried to elope.
Their deaths come a week after it was revealed Islamic militants in the country had flogged and executed a woman accused of adultery.
Lon
Taliban Stone Couple For Adultery In Afghanistan
The woman, Sadiqa, was 20 years old and engaged to another man, said the Kunduz provincial police chief, Gen. Abdul Raza Yaqoubi. Her lover, 28-year-old Qayum, left his wife to run away with her, and the two had holed up in a friend's house five days ago, said district government head, Mohammad Ayub Aqyar.
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gmc;1327878 wrote: Oscar and Lon appear to be referring to different stoning.
oscar
Afghan couple stoned to death for adultery by Taliban | Mail Online
Lon
Taliban Stone Couple For Adultery In Afghanistan
Thank You for clarifying that as I was confused late last night.
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Afghan couple stoned to death for adultery by Taliban | Mail Online
Lon
Taliban Stone Couple For Adultery In Afghanistan
Thank You for clarifying that as I was confused late last night.
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M.A.S;1327875 wrote: so are you saying that cheating between married couples is OK?? do you agree that your rules get broken??
why don't they just get married and every thing will be ok You are answering Kathy's question with rhetorical questions.
I am equally Interested In weather you feel this couple being stoned to death Is justified for their actions?
why don't they just get married and every thing will be ok You are answering Kathy's question with rhetorical questions.
I am equally Interested In weather you feel this couple being stoned to death Is justified for their actions?
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oscar;1327881 wrote: Thank You for clarifying that as I was confused late last night.
No comment.
No comment.
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oscar;1327882 wrote: You are answering Kathy's question with rhetorical questions.
I am equally Interested In weather you feel this couple being stoned to death Is justified for their actions?
Oscar, let me tell you something.. I am human being and I feel bad for those who get stoned but why would they do such an action which leads to strict penalty??
I don't know about Afghanistan but my country does not do stoning until both admit in front a judge and even when they admit there are conditions allow or not stoning...
I mean by that not every adultery couples get stoned to death...
weather we like it or not, that's God's rules and they are not negotiable.. we have to obey What God says..
I am equally Interested In weather you feel this couple being stoned to death Is justified for their actions?
Oscar, let me tell you something.. I am human being and I feel bad for those who get stoned but why would they do such an action which leads to strict penalty??
I don't know about Afghanistan but my country does not do stoning until both admit in front a judge and even when they admit there are conditions allow or not stoning...
I mean by that not every adultery couples get stoned to death...
weather we like it or not, that's God's rules and they are not negotiable.. we have to obey What God says..
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M.A.S;1327891 wrote: Oscar, let me tell you something.. I am human being and I feel bad for those who get stoned but why would they do such an action which leads to strict penalty??
I don't know about Afghanistan but my country does not do stoning until both admit in front a judge and even when they admit there are conditions allow or not stoning...
I mean by that not every adultery couples get stoned to death...
weather we like it or not, that's God's rules and they are not negotiable.. we have to obey What God says..
What gives you the right to impose what you believe are god's laws on those who do not share that belief?
I don't know about Afghanistan but my country does not do stoning until both admit in front a judge and even when they admit there are conditions allow or not stoning...
I mean by that not every adultery couples get stoned to death...
weather we like it or not, that's God's rules and they are not negotiable.. we have to obey What God says..
What gives you the right to impose what you believe are god's laws on those who do not share that belief?
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gmc;1327888 wrote: No comment. Ditto.
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M.A.S;1327891 wrote: Oscar, let me tell you something.. I am human being and I feel bad for those who get stoned but why would they do such an action which leads to strict penalty??
I don't know about Afghanistan but my country does not do stoning until both admit in front a judge and even when they admit there are conditions allow or not stoning...
I mean by that not every adultery couples get stoned to death...
weather we like it or not, that's God's rules and they are not negotiable.. we have to obey What God says..
First of all MAS... This stoning Is dealing with an Issue as much of our lives are dominated by and that Is emotion.
All countries have criminal law set by Governments but In the main, they are Illegal acts and not crimes of passion.
You can not take human emotions and the word of God as a criminal act that leads to the execution of young people. If Civilised societies did this we would revert to the stone age.
Any teachings be It from Jesus Christ to Allah are purely Interpretation from the reader. Interpretation has no place In law.
I don't know about Afghanistan but my country does not do stoning until both admit in front a judge and even when they admit there are conditions allow or not stoning...
I mean by that not every adultery couples get stoned to death...
weather we like it or not, that's God's rules and they are not negotiable.. we have to obey What God says..
First of all MAS... This stoning Is dealing with an Issue as much of our lives are dominated by and that Is emotion.
All countries have criminal law set by Governments but In the main, they are Illegal acts and not crimes of passion.
You can not take human emotions and the word of God as a criminal act that leads to the execution of young people. If Civilised societies did this we would revert to the stone age.
Any teachings be It from Jesus Christ to Allah are purely Interpretation from the reader. Interpretation has no place In law.
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gmc;1327894 wrote: What gives you the right to impose what you believe are god's laws on those who do not share that belief?
That's a good and smart question
suppose I'm from U.K and I'm going to U.S.A for business, automatically once I get In Unites States every action that I do is under their law and I should read their laws before I do anything that I'm not sure about..
similarly, those who does not want to be under Islamic law they just can go out side the country and get another nationality..
every single human being has a brain and can use It..
That's a good and smart question
suppose I'm from U.K and I'm going to U.S.A for business, automatically once I get In Unites States every action that I do is under their law and I should read their laws before I do anything that I'm not sure about..
similarly, those who does not want to be under Islamic law they just can go out side the country and get another nationality..
every single human being has a brain and can use It..
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M.A.S;1327875 wrote: so are you saying that cheating between married couples is OK?? do you agree that your rules get broken??
why don't they just get married and every thing will be ok
Personally, I believe that married couples should not cheat on each other, especially when children are involved. But, if they do cheat then that's their business. It's none of my business or the business of my government.
Why should people have to get married? It's a free country here. We don't stone people because they cheat on their mate. It's up to only them to work out their problems.
I believe that stoning a person to death, for any reason, is barbaric. I don't believe in gods, but if I did, I would not respect any god that stoned people.
Yes, we break laws here, and that's why people go to court. People are sometimes sent to prison for a period of time or receive death penalties. Our courts have nothing to do with religion....they're about justice.
Seeing a picture of that poor woman being stoned will forever be in my mind. May she rest in peace. She did not deserve her fate.
why don't they just get married and every thing will be ok
Personally, I believe that married couples should not cheat on each other, especially when children are involved. But, if they do cheat then that's their business. It's none of my business or the business of my government.
Why should people have to get married? It's a free country here. We don't stone people because they cheat on their mate. It's up to only them to work out their problems.
I believe that stoning a person to death, for any reason, is barbaric. I don't believe in gods, but if I did, I would not respect any god that stoned people.
Yes, we break laws here, and that's why people go to court. People are sometimes sent to prison for a period of time or receive death penalties. Our courts have nothing to do with religion....they're about justice.
Seeing a picture of that poor woman being stoned will forever be in my mind. May she rest in peace. She did not deserve her fate.
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M.A.S;1327900 wrote: That's a good and smart question
suppose I'm from U.K and I'm going to U.S.A for business, automatically once I get In Unites States every action that I do is under their law and I should read their laws before I do anything that I'm not sure about..
similarly, those who does not want to be under Islamic law they just can go out side the country and get another nationality..
every single human being has a brain and can use It..
So why are you religious (sorry, couldn't resist)
So how easy it is it for a Saudi woman to emigrate without asking anyone's permission. If you can't get a job or leave the house without someone with you it must be pretty difficult. You only have freedom when you have the freedom to choose for yourself.
suppose I'm from U.K and I'm going to U.S.A for business, automatically once I get In Unites States every action that I do is under their law and I should read their laws before I do anything that I'm not sure about..
similarly, those who does not want to be under Islamic law they just can go out side the country and get another nationality..
every single human being has a brain and can use It..
So why are you religious (sorry, couldn't resist)
So how easy it is it for a Saudi woman to emigrate without asking anyone's permission. If you can't get a job or leave the house without someone with you it must be pretty difficult. You only have freedom when you have the freedom to choose for yourself.
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oscar;1327899 wrote: First of all MAS... This stoning Is dealing with an Issue as much of our lives are dominated by and that Is emotion.
All countries have criminal law set by Governments but In the main, they are Illegal acts and not crimes of passion.
You can not take human emotions and the word of God as a criminal act that leads to the execution of young people. If Civilised societies did this we would revert to the stone age.
Any teachings be It from Jesus Christ to Allah are purely Interpretation from the reader. Interpretation has no place In law.
Oscar, let me correct some of your Information, you said when a society applies the punishments we would revert to the stone ages..
OK let me start from here, Emirates is an Arabian country which applies Islamic laws and it's the first one country in the Arabian Gulf which has very new technology of and developing business deals.. do you really call that stone age?
when everyone just has the opportunity to have sex without any rules we'll be like animals, God gave us brains to be better than animals not worse than them..
All countries have criminal law set by Governments but In the main, they are Illegal acts and not crimes of passion.
You can not take human emotions and the word of God as a criminal act that leads to the execution of young people. If Civilised societies did this we would revert to the stone age.
Any teachings be It from Jesus Christ to Allah are purely Interpretation from the reader. Interpretation has no place In law.
Oscar, let me correct some of your Information, you said when a society applies the punishments we would revert to the stone ages..
OK let me start from here, Emirates is an Arabian country which applies Islamic laws and it's the first one country in the Arabian Gulf which has very new technology of and developing business deals.. do you really call that stone age?
when everyone just has the opportunity to have sex without any rules we'll be like animals, God gave us brains to be better than animals not worse than them..
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M.A.S;1327904 wrote: Oscar, let me correct some of your Information, you said when a society applies the punishments we would revert to the stone ages..
OK let me start from here, Emirates is an Arabian country which applies Islamic laws and it's the first one country in the Arabian Gulf which has very new technology of and developing business deals.. do you really call that stone age?
when everyone just has the opportunity to have sex without any rules we'll be like animals, God gave us brains to be better than animals not worse than them.. Then you mis-understood what I said MAS.
I said that when we allow beliefs and Interpretation of religious teachings to rule our laws, then we revert to the Stone Age because our Elders can dictate rules based entirely on their Interpretation of the Bible or the Koran.
Only criminal law set by an Elected Government should determine the death penalty In any case.
OK let me start from here, Emirates is an Arabian country which applies Islamic laws and it's the first one country in the Arabian Gulf which has very new technology of and developing business deals.. do you really call that stone age?
when everyone just has the opportunity to have sex without any rules we'll be like animals, God gave us brains to be better than animals not worse than them.. Then you mis-understood what I said MAS.
I said that when we allow beliefs and Interpretation of religious teachings to rule our laws, then we revert to the Stone Age because our Elders can dictate rules based entirely on their Interpretation of the Bible or the Koran.
Only criminal law set by an Elected Government should determine the death penalty In any case.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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Kathy Ellen;1327902 wrote: Personally, I believe that married couples should not cheat on each other, especially when children are involved. But, if they do cheat then that's their business. It's none of my business or the business of my government.
Why should people have to get married? It's a free country here. We don't stone people because they cheat on their mate. It's up to only them to work out their problems.
I believe that stoning a person to death, for any reason, is barbaric. I don't believe in gods, but if I did, I would not respect any god that stoned people.
Yes, we break laws here, and that's why people go to court. People are sometimes sent to prison for a period of time or receive death penalties. Our courts have nothing to do with religion....they're about justice.
Seeing a picture of that poor woman being stoned will forever be in my mind. May she rest in peace. She did not deserve her fate.
First of all, I like your honesty..
you said that you brake laws in your country, well, we don't like the laws to be broken here..
also, Islam is showing the clear justice because It make your choose and think.. as I said rules are rules, no matter who broke it and no matter where..
I personally believe that random sex relationships are barbaric
Why should people have to get married? It's a free country here. We don't stone people because they cheat on their mate. It's up to only them to work out their problems.
I believe that stoning a person to death, for any reason, is barbaric. I don't believe in gods, but if I did, I would not respect any god that stoned people.
Yes, we break laws here, and that's why people go to court. People are sometimes sent to prison for a period of time or receive death penalties. Our courts have nothing to do with religion....they're about justice.
Seeing a picture of that poor woman being stoned will forever be in my mind. May she rest in peace. She did not deserve her fate.
First of all, I like your honesty..
you said that you brake laws in your country, well, we don't like the laws to be broken here..
also, Islam is showing the clear justice because It make your choose and think.. as I said rules are rules, no matter who broke it and no matter where..
I personally believe that random sex relationships are barbaric
I miss you Odie
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gmc;1327903 wrote: So why are you religious (sorry, couldn't resist)
So how easy it is it for a Saudi woman to emigrate without asking anyone's permission. If you can't get a job or leave the house without someone with you it must be pretty difficult. You only have freedom when you have the freedom to choose for yourself.
well, she can ask a judge for permission and she should explain her situation as well.
So how easy it is it for a Saudi woman to emigrate without asking anyone's permission. If you can't get a job or leave the house without someone with you it must be pretty difficult. You only have freedom when you have the freedom to choose for yourself.
well, she can ask a judge for permission and she should explain her situation as well.
I miss you Odie
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M.A.S;1327908 wrote: well, she can ask a judge for permission and she should explain her situation as well. Ask a Judge for permission ???? WHY should she have to ask?
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oscar;1327906 wrote: Then you mis-understood what I said MAS.
I said that when we allow beliefs and Interpretation of religious teachings to rule our laws, then we revert to the Stone Age because our Elders can dictate rules based entirely on their Interpretation of the Bible or the Koran.
Only criminal law set by an Elected Government should determine the death penalty In any case.
well, your country is dealing with liberal laws and that's where mistakes come from..
the liberal law is based on people thoughts and what they think.. but our law is bases on what God said...
here, I need you to answer my question an honest answer..
who do you think is better, God's law or people law..??!
I'm sure guaranteed that the God who made us is understanding people more than I or you think.. so God's laws is not leading us to stone ages..
when we allow beliefs and Interpretation of religious teachings to rule our laws, then we will be in a good society because we applied what God said.
laws that come from God is in Qura'an and the Prophet has dictated it.. God has chosen the Prophet so no mistakes will happen..
I said that when we allow beliefs and Interpretation of religious teachings to rule our laws, then we revert to the Stone Age because our Elders can dictate rules based entirely on their Interpretation of the Bible or the Koran.
Only criminal law set by an Elected Government should determine the death penalty In any case.
well, your country is dealing with liberal laws and that's where mistakes come from..
the liberal law is based on people thoughts and what they think.. but our law is bases on what God said...
here, I need you to answer my question an honest answer..
who do you think is better, God's law or people law..??!
I'm sure guaranteed that the God who made us is understanding people more than I or you think.. so God's laws is not leading us to stone ages..
when we allow beliefs and Interpretation of religious teachings to rule our laws, then we will be in a good society because we applied what God said.
laws that come from God is in Qura'an and the Prophet has dictated it.. God has chosen the Prophet so no mistakes will happen..
I miss you Odie
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oscar;1327909 wrote: Ask a Judge for permission ???? WHY should she have to ask?
so If she is married, then she needs a divorce papers to emigrate, and that women may own citizenship rights so judge will make sure that she get it before she leaves..
and I'm not sure about the rest of the procedures because I'm not working as a judge here and I don't want to give untrusted Information ..
so If she is married, then she needs a divorce papers to emigrate, and that women may own citizenship rights so judge will make sure that she get it before she leaves..
and I'm not sure about the rest of the procedures because I'm not working as a judge here and I don't want to give untrusted Information ..
I miss you Odie
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Mas,
In our country not everyone believes in a god. Not everyone is religious. We are free to believe in religion or not believe. We're not punished for being free thinkers.
I obey our civil laws because they are fair. If I disagree with our laws I can argue my points in court.
I am a free woman. I can travel the world and not have any religious group tell me what to do or think.
I've only been in a Muslim country once, before September 11th. I do not think that I will visit a Muslim country again as I believe it's not safe for me as I am a woman and a non believer in religion.
In our country not everyone believes in a god. Not everyone is religious. We are free to believe in religion or not believe. We're not punished for being free thinkers.
I obey our civil laws because they are fair. If I disagree with our laws I can argue my points in court.
I am a free woman. I can travel the world and not have any religious group tell me what to do or think.
I've only been in a Muslim country once, before September 11th. I do not think that I will visit a Muslim country again as I believe it's not safe for me as I am a woman and a non believer in religion.
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Kathy Ellen;1327913 wrote: Mas,
In our country not everyone believes in a god. Not everyone is religious. We are free to believe in religion or not believe. We're not punished for being free thinkers.
I obey our civil laws because they are fair. If I disagree with our laws I can argue my points in court.
I am a free woman. I can travel the world and not have any religious group tell me what to do or think.
I've only been in a Muslim country once, before September 11th. I do not think that I will visit a Muslim country again as I believe it's not safe for me as I am a woman and a non believer in religion.
well, I believe that for everything there is a boundary, we can think freely here but when you leave the rope on the boat, things will go out of control..
I respect you even when you're not believing in religions, and I think that laws that come from God is not negotiable.. and I'm not Religious fanatic, but this is how we do it..
In our country not everyone believes in a god. Not everyone is religious. We are free to believe in religion or not believe. We're not punished for being free thinkers.
I obey our civil laws because they are fair. If I disagree with our laws I can argue my points in court.
I am a free woman. I can travel the world and not have any religious group tell me what to do or think.
I've only been in a Muslim country once, before September 11th. I do not think that I will visit a Muslim country again as I believe it's not safe for me as I am a woman and a non believer in religion.
well, I believe that for everything there is a boundary, we can think freely here but when you leave the rope on the boat, things will go out of control..
I respect you even when you're not believing in religions, and I think that laws that come from God is not negotiable.. and I'm not Religious fanatic, but this is how we do it..
I miss you Odie
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Hug all the rock throwing muslims all you want, I don't want them around me. I'm a sepratists.
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oscar;1327906 wrote: Only criminal law set by an Elected Government should determine the death penalty In any case.The Taliban were, in case you'd not noticed, the freely elected government of Afghanistan before the Western occupation forces moved in. If you want to discuss the legitimacy of the Karzai administration you should start by looking up Quisling and decide to what extent the circumstances differ - the Taliban weren't on the ballot paper when the last election happened, and living under an army of occupation scarcely leaves room for a fair election in the first place.
Kathy Ellen hits the central point by saying "That's why we can go to court and fight unjust laws hopefully changing that unfair law" - it's a matter of representation. The people of Afghanistan, taken by and large, want a Taliban government. They said so when they had the opportunity. They're not allowed one. The laws are now set under the administration of an occupying power which nobody voted for. The people have no vote. Hedge-justice is the only enforcement remaining which can effect the will of the people. Of course it's arbitrary, of course there's no legal process involved but that's scarcely the fault or responsibility of the clandestine resistance movement. What Afghanistan needs is government of the people, for the people by the people, not the dictates of a self-serving Imperial Satrap. Do you recall Lincoln's Gettysburg Address? Those words, these days, belong by right in the mouths of the Taliban insurgents, they have nothing at all to do with any Western Power:The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain - that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom - and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Kathy Ellen hits the central point by saying "That's why we can go to court and fight unjust laws hopefully changing that unfair law" - it's a matter of representation. The people of Afghanistan, taken by and large, want a Taliban government. They said so when they had the opportunity. They're not allowed one. The laws are now set under the administration of an occupying power which nobody voted for. The people have no vote. Hedge-justice is the only enforcement remaining which can effect the will of the people. Of course it's arbitrary, of course there's no legal process involved but that's scarcely the fault or responsibility of the clandestine resistance movement. What Afghanistan needs is government of the people, for the people by the people, not the dictates of a self-serving Imperial Satrap. Do you recall Lincoln's Gettysburg Address? Those words, these days, belong by right in the mouths of the Taliban insurgents, they have nothing at all to do with any Western Power:The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain - that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom - and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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M.A.S;1327908 wrote: well, she can ask a judge for permission and she should explain her situation as well.
Why on earth does she need anyone's permission?
so If she is married, then she needs a divorce papers to emigrate, and that women may own citizenship rights so judge will make sure that she get it before she leaves..
Especially if she is single. What you seem to be saying is women are not free to do as they wish and cannot even leave the country of theor own volition.
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well, your country is dealing with liberal laws and that's where mistakes come from..
the liberal law is based on people thoughts and what they think.. but our law is bases on what God said...
Liberal means free. We fought endless wars against religion in order to be free of it. Our law is based on concensus and what we think is best for us all not what some priest tells us it is. We can think for ourselves, we don't believe in the divimne right of kings or anyone else.
who do you think is better, God's law or people law..??!
Whose version of god's law? Catholics and protestants killed each other in their millions over just that question just as sunni ansd shia did as well and probably will again.
when we allow beliefs and Interpretation of religious teachings to rule our laws, then we will be in a good society because we applied what God said.
No you will have a society ruled by priests where people are terrified to disagree and live in fear. You kid yourself you are free and as a saudi male you perhaps are.
laws that come from God is in Qura'an and the Prophet has dictated it.. God has chosen the Prophet so no mistakes will happen..
No he didn't, like the christian it has been rewritten time after time to suit those who would be rulers. It's a collection of stories about a primitive tribe and their conflicts with those around them and the things they saw that they could only explain as being the work of the god's.
There are many christians who think like you do - the only difference being they will kill and destroy in the name of jesus christ rather than allah. If you wait long enough one will come along shortly and tell you why islam has it all wrong.
The only thing that unites them is a desire to fight the godless moslems just as many moslems want to fight the godless christians. Kill them all and let god sort it out. do moslems believe in this daft end of days scenario as well?
Why on earth does she need anyone's permission?
so If she is married, then she needs a divorce papers to emigrate, and that women may own citizenship rights so judge will make sure that she get it before she leaves..
Especially if she is single. What you seem to be saying is women are not free to do as they wish and cannot even leave the country of theor own volition.
posted bt MAS
well, your country is dealing with liberal laws and that's where mistakes come from..
the liberal law is based on people thoughts and what they think.. but our law is bases on what God said...
Liberal means free. We fought endless wars against religion in order to be free of it. Our law is based on concensus and what we think is best for us all not what some priest tells us it is. We can think for ourselves, we don't believe in the divimne right of kings or anyone else.
who do you think is better, God's law or people law..??!
Whose version of god's law? Catholics and protestants killed each other in their millions over just that question just as sunni ansd shia did as well and probably will again.
when we allow beliefs and Interpretation of religious teachings to rule our laws, then we will be in a good society because we applied what God said.
No you will have a society ruled by priests where people are terrified to disagree and live in fear. You kid yourself you are free and as a saudi male you perhaps are.
laws that come from God is in Qura'an and the Prophet has dictated it.. God has chosen the Prophet so no mistakes will happen..
No he didn't, like the christian it has been rewritten time after time to suit those who would be rulers. It's a collection of stories about a primitive tribe and their conflicts with those around them and the things they saw that they could only explain as being the work of the god's.
There are many christians who think like you do - the only difference being they will kill and destroy in the name of jesus christ rather than allah. If you wait long enough one will come along shortly and tell you why islam has it all wrong.
The only thing that unites them is a desire to fight the godless moslems just as many moslems want to fight the godless christians. Kill them all and let god sort it out. do moslems believe in this daft end of days scenario as well?