Virginity restored on the NHS...

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:29 pm

You may see no harm In women having their hymens altered free of charge In this country on the NHS but I believe It is scandalous.

Three months ago Nikki Phelps, a former teacher and mother of 2 year old twins died of because the drug that may have saved her life was denied due to It being too costly to the NHS Primary Care Trust.

I wonder how Mr Phelps felt when he read that women are to be given Virginity repairs free of charge on the NHS along with the never ending stream of women looking for breast enhancement free of charge because 'It gives them low esteem'.

For god sake... This countries priorities are down the toilet.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:47 am

I can't see any possible need or even logic for such a procedure. Is it due to pressure by husbands/boyfriends ? I may be missing something here but I don't understand the purpose of it. If it is for cosmetic purposes then why would it be available, free, on the NHS, especially as you say, there are far more urgent considerations.

So yes Oscar, I agree with you.

Good grief, this cant go on

Post by **spot** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:12 am

oscar;1325571 wrote: You may see no harm In women having their hymens altered free of charge In this country on the NHS but I believe It is scandalous [...] For god sake... This countries priorities are down the toilet.Perhaps the numbers involved would be worth adding to the thread? 25% increase in 'virginity repair' ops on the NHS | News mentions them -The NHS carried out 116 hymen replacement operations between 2005 and 2009, it emerged today. There were 30 last year - up 25 per cent from the 24 in 2005 [...] A Department of Health spokeswoman said the operations were only carried out "exceptionally to secure physical or psychological health".It's a half hour procedure under local anaesthetic? In terms of cost, it strikes me that refusing to do any at all would have no effect whatever on the availability of cancer drugs. Looking at extremes is rarely a useful source of outrage. Two or three half-hour procedures across the entire country each month is a trivial addition to the NHS workload.

Post by **spot** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:41 am

oscar;1325571 wrote: Three months ago Nikki Phelps, a former teacher and mother of 2 year old twins died of because the drug that may have saved her life was denied due to It being too costly to the NHS Primary Care Trust.
Right, let's do the other half of the post. The NHS refused to fund the Sunitab treatment but she was actually taking it -"Mrs Phelps, whose sons were born through IVF, has been battling the cancer for ten years and has already spent her £6,000 life savings on Sutent. Her husband Bill, 45, said: 'She started taking these drugs we are paying for more than six weeks ago, and we can both see there has been an improvement.

Cancer row over mother, 37, forced to sell her home to buy the drugs Labour pledged to fund | Mail Online

That was in April, she was dead the next month. The NHS does provide it as a secondary fallback drug for two conditions, when patients get adverse reactions to the initial treatment. The argument was whether it should be funded to treat the different condition Ms Phelps suffered from. Regardless of the payment question, she did take it and she didn't get the extended life she was hoping for. It's not a cure for anything, it extends life for six months or so in certain diseases which is two or three times the expectancy of those not taking it. "died of because the drug that may have saved her life was denied" really isn't a helpful contribution to discussing the state of the NHS simply because it's so inaccurate.

Labour did indeed pledge to fund that drug for treatments where it had a recognized efficacy in prolonging expected lifespan - not cure, note, but extension of lifespan - and it did exactly that. The treatment you're discussing falls outside of that range of treatments, it was experimental.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:41 am

spot;1325587 wrote: Perhaps the numbers involved would be worth adding to the thread? 25% increase in 'virginity repair' ops on the NHS | News mentions them -The NHS carried out 116 hymen replacement operations between 2005 and 2009, it emerged today. There were 30 last year - up 25 per cent from the 24 in 2005 [...] A Department of Health spokeswoman said the operations were only carried out "exceptionally to secure physical or psychological health".It's a half hour procedure under local anaesthetic? In terms of cost, it strikes me that refusing to do any at all would have no effect whatever on the availability of cancer drugs. Looking at extremes is rarely a useful source of outrage. Two or three half-hour procedures across the entire country each month is a trivial addition to the NHS workload.

I thought the OP was a little skewed, you got there to research it before I did, thank you for putting it into perspective. These costly cancer drugs I can only assume are handed out when there is an actual chance they may work, that's cold, hard, reality sadly.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:44 am

spot;1325589 wrote: Right, let's do the other half of the post. The NHS refused to fund the Sunitab treatment but she was actually taking it -"Mrs Phelps, whose sons were born through IVF, has been battling the cancer for ten years and has already spent her £6,000 life savings on Sutent. Her husband Bill, 45, said: 'She started taking these drugs we are paying for more than six weeks ago, and we can both see there has been an improvement.

Cancer row over mother, 37, forced to sell her home to buy the drugs Labour pledged to fund | Mail Online

That was in April, she was dead the next month. The NHS does provide it as a secondary fallback drug for two conditions, when patients get adverse reactions to the initial treatment. The argument was whether it should be funded to treat the different condition Ms Phelps suffered from. Regardless of the payment question, she did take it and she didn't get the extended life she was hoping for. It's not a cure for anything, it extends life for six months or so in certain diseases which is two or three times the expectancy of those not taking it. "died of because the drug that may have saved her life was denied" really isn't a helpful contribution to discussing the state of the NHS simply because it's so inaccurate.

Ah! you beat me to it again...

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:14 am

Betty Boop;1325590 wrote: I thought the OP was a little skewed, you got there to research it before I did, thank you for putting it into perspective. These costly cancer drugs I can only assume are handed out when there is an actual chance they may work, that's cold, hard, reality sadly.
Try comforting your sisters 3 young children when they throw roses as their mothers coffin Is lowered Into the ground after she died of Breast Cancer.... Sorry to be harsh but THAT Is the stark reality of life.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:24 am

Spot can come up with as much cut and paste as he likes, the reality Is that this country has the highest death rate for cancer In Europe

While the Coalition Government are set to make sweeping cuts In the NHS, we are still pandering to hymen repairs and cosmetic surgery. Breast Enlargement, tattoo removal, Rhinoplasy Ops to name but a few.

The Priority Is totally wrong.

The figures for hymen repairs rise with Immigration. It Is rare for a British women to want her hymen repaired and the stark truth Is that the procedure Is being used on Muslim women because It Is a dis-honour to not be a virgin on her wedding night. I would have thought the answer was simple... Don't sleep around then you do not have a problem.

Women get 'virginity fix' NHS operations in Muslim-driven trend | News