what a pillock

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:47 am

No not gordon brown-hough he is one.

Injured motorist sues Highways Agency over black ice

Injured motorist sues Highways Agency over black ice - Telegraph

What an idiot. It would be impossible to keep all roads ice free in winter all it takes is a bit of rain to wash away the salt and them a cold spell and it doesn't matter how good the roads agency is it's unreasonable to expect them to keep roads completely ice free. OK an inexperienced driver might get caught out but any experienced driver should be able to anticipate icy roads. Next it'll be someone who crashes because of leaves on the road complaining they weren't swept up and trying to sue. It's autumn you should expect such things.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:54 am

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

If everyone sued here for black ice, we'd all be rich!:wah:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:05 pm

gmc;1261397 wrote: No not gordon brown-hough he is one.

Injured motorist sues Highways Agency over black ice - Telegraph

What an idiot. It would be impossible to keep all roads ice free in winter all it takes is a bit of rain to wash away the salt and them a cold spell and it doesn't matter how good the roads agency is it's unreasonable to expect them to keep roads completely ice free. OK an inexperienced driver might get caught out but any experienced driver should be able to anticipate icy roads. Next it'll be someone who crashes because of leaves on the road complaining they weren't swept up and trying to sue. It's autumn you should expect such things. It's just typical of the blame culture that our country is pandering to. Similar to when a parent collecting their kid came down our lane to cut time dispite a 12 ft sign saying 'NO VECHICLE ACCESS'. Having smashed Into our car that was Stationery in our drive, she told us that it was actually all our fault for living next door to a school in the first place !!!! She then asked police to arrest ME because I swore at her. Luckily, we don't have any moronic Officers in our local force any more and the Officer just laughed in her face.

Interesting Post..... My brother was on his way home one evening in very rural Sussex when a deer leapt a wall in the pitch dark and wrote his car off as well as Injuring him quite badly. On reflection, he now must sue for the authorities allowing Deer to raom about the Countryside. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Skylark · Post by **Skylark** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:30 pm

When black ice is forecast, the local authority, like many others no doubt, grit the roads. Fortunately we don't get much of it. I have never heard of anyone wanting to sue!

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:51 pm

Skylark;1261419 wrote: When black ice is forecast, the local authority, like many others no doubt, grit the roads. Fortunately we don't get much of it. I have never heard of anyone wanting to sue!
If we had an absolute sure fire Met Office who could accurately predict every turn in the weather, he may have a point, but we don't. Even If we did, to predict black ice down to one stretch of one road is nonsensical. Back In the 70's my husbands brother sadly killed his Fiance on New Years Eve. The police confirmed he was absolutely in no way to blame. He had travelled that road on his way to visit family with no Ice on the road, Yet there was black Ice on his return just one hour later. The first attending Ambulance also skidded and crashed getting to them. By the time police got there 20 minutes later, the Ice had dissapeared.

Skylark · Post by **Skylark** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:23 pm

oscar;1261426 wrote: If we had an absolute sure fire Met Office who could accurately predict every turn in the weather, he may have a point, but we don't. Even If we did, to predict black ice down to one stretch of one road is nonsensical. Back In the 70's my husbands brother sadly killed his Fiance on New Years Eve. The police confirmed he was absolutely in no way to blame. He had travelled that road on his way to visit family with no Ice on the road, Yet there was black Ice on his return just one hour later. The first attending Ambulance also skidded and crashed getting to them. By the time police got there 20 minutes later, the Ice had dissapeared.

How sad and no you can't see it so it is very difficult to drive on. I think everyone hates it. Fortunately we get rather mild weather on Mereyside.

Oscar do you remember the MP who crashed on black ice in Cornwall. It was quite a few years ago now.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:30 pm

Skylark;1261435 wrote: How sad and no you can't see it so it is very difficult to drive on. I think everyone hates it. Fortunately we get rather mild weather on Mereyside.

Oscar do you remember the MP who crashed on black ice in Cornwall. It was quite a few years ago now.
Yes, I can remember the crash and If I remember correctly, It was Simon Burns Conservative MP for West Chelmsford. He seriousley Injured a cyclist.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:34 pm

oscar;1261408 wrote: On reflection, he now must sue for the authorities allowing Deer to raom about the Countryside. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

He should sue hunters for doing an inadequate job! :yh_eyerol

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:09 pm

K.Snyder;1261507 wrote: He should sue hunters for doing an inadequate job! :yh_eyerol
Good one :wah:

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:54 am

My wife got hit from behind at a roundabout (she started moving off and stopped as a speeding car shot on to the roundabout from her right) and the other drivers attitude it was her (my wife's) fault because you are not supposed to stop once you start moving off at a roundabout. she was so convinced she actually went to the police who very carefully didn't want get involved and told her to let the insurance companies sort it out-which they did and she paid for it all. Some people are just so reluctant to admit they have done something stupid or careless they convince themselves they are somehow victims.

Speaking from experience the worst thing that can happen is to have an accident and a witness who didn't actually see what happened but THINKS they know. I was going round a roundabout when a car shot out in front of me so I stopped and my stationary car was struck by a motor cyclist and I found myself being verbally abused by a pedestrian who had heard the impact and assumed he knew who was at fault-all the other drivers buggered off but luckily one did stay and give their name-I say luckily because the motor-cyclist (who was unhurt) later went to the police who didn't charge me but did charge him with driving with no MOT and no insurance-and presumably no brakes) . The policewoman who interviewed me thought it was quite funny as well.

If somebody skids in to you on an icy road it's their fault- or if you lose contyrol and hit someone or a tree you are to blame-it's staggering the number of people that would think they weren't to blame but would agree with this numpty.

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:38 am

gmc;1261537 wrote: My wife got hit from behind at a roundabout (she started moving off and stopped as a speeding car shot on to the roundabout from her right) and the other drivers attitude it was her (my wife's) fault because you are not supposed to stop once you start moving off at a roundabout. she was so convinced she actually went to the police who very carefully didn't want get involved and told her to let the insurance companies sort it out-which they did and she paid for it all. Some people are just so reluctant to admit they have done something stupid or careless they convince themselves they are somehow victims.

Speaking from experience the worst thing that can happen is to have an accident and a witness who didn't actually see what happened but THINKS they know. I was going round a roundabout when a car shot out in front of me so I stopped and my stationary car was struck by a motor cyclist and I found myself being verbally abused by a pedestrian who had heard the impact and assumed he knew who was at fault-all the other drivers buggered off but luckily one did stay and give their name-I say luckily because the motor-cyclist (who was unhurt) later went to the police who didn't charge me but did charge him with driving with no MOT and no insurance-and presumably no brakes) . The policewoman who interviewed me thought it was quite funny as well.

If somebody skids in to you on an icy road it's their fault- or if you lose contyrol and hit someone or a tree you are to blame-it's staggering the number of people that would think they weren't to blame but would agree with this numpty.

gmc - she should never have had to pay for this accident, surely it is always the one that hits from behind who is at fault, regardless. It shows a lack of attention and following too close to the vehicle in front ! :-5

Skylark · Post by **Skylark** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:36 am

oscar;1261456 wrote: Yes, I can remember the crash and If I remember correctly, It was Simon Burns Conservative MP for West Chelmsford. He seriousley Injured a cyclist.

Oscar, sorry I didn't give you all the information, the one I was thinking about died in the crash on his own. He had dark hair, attractive and I think he was an MP for Cornwall and possibly a lib-dem. Possibly his name was David P.......

Skylark · Post by **Skylark** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:45 am

gmc;1261537 wrote: My wife got hit from behind at a roundabout (she started moving off and stopped as a speeding car shot on to the roundabout from her right) and the other drivers attitude it was her (my wife's) fault because you are not supposed to stop once you start moving off at a roundabout. she was so convinced she actually went to the police who very carefully didn't want get involved and told her to let the insurance companies sort it out-which they did and she paid for it all. Some people are just so reluctant to admit they have done something stupid or careless they convince themselves they are somehow victims.

Speaking from experience the worst thing that can happen is to have an accident and a witness who didn't actually see what happened but THINKS they know. I was going round a roundabout when a car shot out in front of me so I stopped and my stationary car was struck by a motor cyclist and I found myself being verbally abused by a pedestrian who had heard the impact and assumed he knew who was at fault-all the other drivers buggered off but luckily one did stay and give their name-I say luckily because the motor-cyclist (who was unhurt) later went to the police who didn't charge me but did charge him with driving with no MOT and no insurance-and presumably no brakes) . The policewoman who interviewed me thought it was quite funny as well.

If somebody skids in to you on an icy road it's their fault- or if you lose contyrol and hit someone or a tree you are to blame-it's staggering the number of people that would think they weren't to blame but would agree with this numpty.

No black ice was involved in this incident but a while back, I was just getting onto a roundabout when out of the corner of my eye there was a speeding car which had come on gone through a red light. I slammed the brakes on hard and he speeded past me. If I had not stopped he would have slammed into me and I am sure I would have been injured. I then heard the police sirens persuing him.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:57 am

G#Gill;1261556 wrote: gmc - she should never have had to pay for this accident, surely it is always the one that hits from behind who is at fault, regardless. It shows a lack of attention and following too close to the vehicle in front ! :-5

Sorry I didn't make myself terribly clear. My wife didn't pay anything as she was not at fault the other driver did however because, as you say, she was at fault having run in to a stationary car from behind at a roundabout.

I posted the story just to illustrate how readily people can convince themselves they have done nothing wrong. This other woman so convinced herself it wasn't her fault she even went to the police about it. I think they gently pointed out she would get done for careless driving if she pursued it further.

I would be willing to bet you or someone you know has had a similar experience where they've been hit and the other driver just can't see they have done anything wrong to cause the accident. How often do you see people crossing all the lanes at roundabout completely oblivious to other cars and convinced they are in the right? Happened to me yesterday-traffic lights at a major roundabout, clearly marked lanes as to where you should go-we pull off together and he cuts in front of me so I have to jam on my brakes to avoid him, sound my horn in annoyance and he and his passenger are sitting mouthing obscenities and then tailgate me on the dual carriageway flashing lights and making obscene gestures. These OAP's are an aggressive bunch aren't they? Tell you what though if I'd let him hit me bet he would have claimed it was my fault even if I had hit him in the side.

I've crashed because of ice on the road-who hasn't at some point-but only a complete idiot would blame someone else

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:10 am

gmc;1261560 wrote:

I would be willing to bet you or someone you know has had a similar experience where they've been hit and the other driver just can't see they have done anything wrong to cause the accident.
It's exactly the same with that moron who smashed into our car while it was stationery in the drive. She truelly believed that it was all our fault for living next door to a school where she had a god given right to come into our private lane dispite a sign saying no vechile access. Also as you were saying, A woman who was further down the lane at the exact time of Impact but saw the aftermath a few minutes later, offered herself up as a witness for the guilty driver believing she had seen everything just because she had heard the noise. She claimed my car was even moving. People like that are downright bloody dangerous.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:31 pm

One of the funniest ones I've heard was a work colleague describing how a friend of his had been done for drunk driving but he said "it wasn't his fault he got done because somebody in the pub had reported him to the police"

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:38 pm

gmc;1261692 wrote: One of the funniest ones I've heard was a work colleague describing how a friend of his had been done for drunk driving but he said "it wasn't his fault he got done because somebody in the pub had reported him to the police" :wah: These are genuine Insurence claims as used by Jasper Carrott.

"I was driving along the motorway when the police pulled me over onto the hard shoulder. Unfortunately I was in the middle lane and there was another car in the way.." (Thanks M Robson)

"Going to work at 7am this morning I drove out of my drive straight into a bus. The bus was 5 minutes early.." (Thanks N Bradley)

"I was driving along when I saw two kangaroos copulating in the middle of the road causing me to ejaculate through the sun roof." (from an Australian claim form - Thanks N Shepherd)

"The accident happened because I had one eye on the lorry in front, one eye on the pedestrian and the other on the car behind." (Thanks Sharon Burrows)

"I started to slow down but the traffic was more stationary than I thought."

"I pulled into a lay-by with smoke coming from under the hood. I realised the car was on fire so took my dog and smothered it with a blanket."

Q: Could either driver have done anything to avoid the accident? A: Travelled by bus?

The claimant had collided with a cow. The questions and answers on the claim form were - Q: What warning was given by you? A: Horn. Q: What warning was given by the other party? A: Moo.

"I started to turn and it was at this point I noticed a camel and an elephant tethered at the verge. This distraction caused me to lose concentration and hit a bollard."

"On approach to the traffic lights the car in front suddenly broke."

"I was going at about 70 or 80 mph when my girlfriend on the pillion reached over and grabbed my testicles so I lost control."

"I didn't think the speed limit applied after midnight"

"I knew the dog was possessive about the car but I would not have asked her to drive it if I had thought there was any risk."

Q: Do you engage in motorcycling, hunting or any other pastimes of a hazardous nature? A: "I Watch the Lottery Show and listen to Terry Wogan."

"First car stopped suddenly, second car hit first car and a haggis ran into the rear of second car."

"Windscreen broken. Cause unknown. Probably Voodoo."

"The car in front hit the pedestrian but he got up so I hit him again"

"I pulled away from the side of the road, glanced at my mother-in-law and headed over the embankment."

"The other car collided with mine without giving warning of its intention."

"I collided with a stationary truck coming the other way"

"A truck backed through my windshield into my wife's face"

"A pedestrian hit me and went under my car"

"In an attempt to kill a fly, I drove into a telephone pole."

"I had been shopping for plants all day and was on my way home. As I reached an intersection a hedge sprang up obscuring my vision and I did not see the other car."

"I was on my way to the doctor with rear end trouble when my universal joint gave way causing me to have an accident."

"An invisible car came out of nowhere, struck my car and vanished."

"I was thrown from the car as it left the road. I was later found in a ditch by some stray cows."

"Coming home I drove into the wrong house and collided with a tree I don't have."

"I thought my window was down, but I found it was up when I put my head through it."

"The guy was all over the road. I had to swerve a number of times before I hit him."

"I had been driving for forty years when I fell asleep at the wheel and had an accident."

"As I approached an intersection a sign suddenly appeared in a place where no stop sign had ever appeared before."

"To avoid hitting the bumper of the car in front I struck a pedestrian."

"My car was legally parked as it backed into another vehicle."

"I told the police that I was not injured, but on removing my hat found that I had a fractured skull."

"I was sure the old fellow would never make it to the other side of the road when I struck him."

"The pedestrian had no idea which way to run as I ran over him."

"I saw a slow moving, sad faced old gentleman as he bounced off the roof of my car."

"The indirect cause of the accident was a little guy in a small car with a big mouth."

"The telephone pole was approaching. I was attempting to swerve out of the way when I struck the front end."

"The gentleman behind me struck me on the backside. He then went to rest in a bush with just his rear end showing. "

"I had been learning to drive with power steering. I turned the wheel to what I thought was enough and found myself in a different direction going the opposite way."

"I was backing my car out of the driveway in the usual manner, when it was struck by the other car in the same place it had been struck several times before."

"When I saw I could not avoid a collision I stepped on the gas and crashed into the other car."

"The accident happened when the right front door of a car came round the corner without giving a signal."

"No one was to blame for the accident but it would never have happened if the other driver had been alert."

"I was unable to stop in time and my car crashed into the other vehicle. The driver and passengers then left immediately for a vacation with injuries."

"The pedestrian ran for the pavement, but I got him."

"I saw her look at me twice. She appeared to be making slow progress when we met on impact."

"The accident occurred when I was attempting to bring my car out of a skid by steering it into the other vehicle."

"My car got hit by a submarine." (The Navy informed the wife of a submariner that the craft was due in port. She drove to the base to meet her husband and parked at the end of the slip where the sub was to berth. An inexperienced ensign was conning the sub and it rammed the end of the slip, breaking a section away, causing her car to fall into the water. The Navy paid the compensation claim.) (Thanks Jay Kuivinen)

The English comedian Jasper Carrott has used funny insurance claims in his stand-up act for a long time, including some featured above. Here are three others, kindly suggested by Andrew Moignard.

"I bumped into a lamp-post which was obscured by human beings."

"The accident was caused by me waving to the man I hit last week."

"I knocked over a man; he admitted it was his fault for he had been knocked down before."

"A house hit my car." (A house was being moved by a large truck. My friend had his car parked on the side of the road correctly. The house began to tilt off the truck and eventually fell off the truck, landing on my friend's car. He eventually had the insurance paid, after lengthy explanation and the moving company confirming the story.) (Thanks Ben Keirnan)

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:09 pm

Skylark;1261558 wrote: Oscar, sorry I didn't give you all the information, the one I was thinking about died in the crash on his own. He had dark hair, attractive and I think he was an MP for Cornwall and possibly a lib-dem. Possibly his name was David P.......

Wasn't wearing a seat belt soon after the law came into force?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:14 pm

Bryn Mawr;1261781 wrote: Wasn't wearing a seat belt soon after the law came into force? That would be going back a bit in time then?

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:19 pm

oscar;1261788 wrote: That would be going back a bit in time then?

Skylark did say it was quite a few years ago.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:21 pm

Bryn Mawr;1261794 wrote: Skylark did say it was quite a few years ago.
How old does she think I am? :yh_rotfl

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:32 pm

oscar;1261797 wrote: How old does she think I am? :yh_rotfl

I remember it well :wah:

Trouble is, what with galloping sinility and all, damn'd if I can remember his name.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:38 pm

Bryn Mawr;1261815 wrote: I remember it well :wah:

Trouble is, what with galloping sinility and all, damn'd if I can remember his name.
No, It has escaped me also. Now that's one of those things that is now going to bug me all day tomorrow until I find out.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:25 am

Ah seat belts. I remember conversations with people who were convinced they would be able to brace themselves before an impact and so would not get thrown through the windscreen in the event of a crash. I could never understand why otherwise intelligent people could not see the flaw in their argument. I've always used them.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:38 am

gmc;1262017 wrote: Ah seat belts. I remember conversations with people who were convinced they would be able to brace themselves before an impact and so would not get thrown through the windscreen in the event of a crash. I could never understand why otherwise intelligent people could not see the flaw in their argument. I've always used them.
That would be the belief that man is Immortal. My fear was always that if I crashed, would the seatbelt trap me if the car caught fire? It's a little like the moronice women who sit In the passenger seat with a child on their lap or a dog. They assume they will have time to shield the child before It goes hurtling through the windscreen at 90 mph.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:05 am

oscar;1262020 wrote: That would be the belief that man is Immortal. My fear was always that if I crashed, would the seatbelt trap me if the car caught fire? It's a little like the moronice women who sit In the passenger seat with a child on their lap or a dog. They assume they will have time to shield the child before It goes hurtling through the windscreen at 90 mph.

No it's the belief that if they are in a car doing 30 miles an hour and because they themselves are stationary relative to the car they are not really travelling at thirty miles an hour-although they will concede the car is. The concept that they are in reality doing thirty miles an hour as well the car just does not sink in with some people.

I used to ask them what if they ran full tilt at a brick wall would they be able to extend their arms at the last step or so and be able to stop themselves hitting the wall. They would all agree no they couldn't but still persisted in the belief they could brace themselves enough in a car.

It's like two cars hitting each other at 30 miles an hour the combined speed of impact is 60 miles an hour. Try that on your friends-it's surprising how many just don't understand what it means.

Like those women you mention. The notion that they would not be able to hold a baby travelling from their arms at at 60 miles an hour is not one they can understand or they wouldn't do it.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:22 am

gmc;1262044 wrote: No it's the belief that if they are in a car doing 30 miles an hour and because they themselves are stationary relative to the car they are not really travelling at thirty miles an hour-although they will concede the car is. The concept that they are in reality doing thirty miles an hour as well the car just does not sink in with some people.

I used to ask them what if they ran full tilt at a brick wall would they be able to extend their arms at the last step or so and be able to stop themselves hitting the wall. They would all agree no they couldn't but still persisted in the belief they could brace themselves enough in a car.

It's like two cars hitting each other at 30 miles an hour the combined speed of impact is 60 miles an hour. Try that on your friends-it's surprising how many just don't understand what it means.

Like those women you mention. The notion that they would not be able to hold a baby travelling from their arms at at 60 miles an hour is not one they can understand or they wouldn't do it. Good explanation.

I was once in a head on smash at 30 mph and the Injuries and damage to the car was far worse than at high speed.

My dogs have seat belts. For one, I don't want them Injured or worse but for teo, I don't want a medium sized dog hitting me in the back of the head at 60 mph.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:07 am

oscar;1262052 wrote: Good explanation.

I was once in a head on smash at 30 mph and the Injuries and damage to the car was far worse than at high speed.

My dogs have seat belts. For one, I don't want them Injured or worse but for teo, I don't want a medium sized dog hitting me in the back of the head at 60 mph.

I did an emergency stop with a retriever on the back seat of my clio-I ended up pushed against the steering wheel-no injuries but dogs and people in the back seat strap in now or they walk-surprising the number that don't trap in in the back.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:20 am

gmc;1262102 wrote: I did an emergency stop with a retriever on the back seat of my clio-I ended up pushed against the steering wheel-no injuries but dogs and people in the back seat strap in now or they walk-surprising the number that don't trap in in the back.
Exactly... What do people think happens when a loose dog on the back seat gets launched into mid air? It's bad enough just to brake suddenly and have your dog end up in a heap in the footwell. Mine are always strapped in and in summer also wear goggles so we can have the windows down but they don't get grit etc thrown into the eyes. We do get some funny looks though.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:30 am

oscar;1262140 wrote: Exactly... What do people think happens when a loose dog on the back seat gets launched into mid air? It's bad enough just to brake suddenly and have your dog end up in a heap in the footwell. Mine are always strapped in and in summer also wear goggles so we can have the windows down but they don't get grit etc thrown into the eyes. We do get some funny looks though.

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl Do you dress them up as ww1 fighter pilots as well?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:33 am

gmc;1262158 wrote: :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl Do you dress them up as ww1 fighter pilots as well?
Now that Is a blinding Idea. Wonder where I can get 3 little leather helmets from? :-3:-3

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:02 pm

oscar;1262161 wrote: Now that Is a blinding Idea. Wonder where I can get 3 little leather helmets from? :-3:-3

Try pets at home-they have little coats but you might be better trying a fetish shop for a leather one. They also have doggy handbags that you can carry them in.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:31 pm

gmc;1262204 wrote: Try pets at home-they have little coats but you might be better trying a fetish shop for a leather one. They also have doggy handbags that you can carry them in.
Thanks, I'll have a look. I must get a pic of the three of them in a row on the back seat in goggles and hat.

I did actually buy one of those doggy handbags when we first got puppy. All she did was scrabble about, far more Interested In what was going on down on the ground. Another bad Idea that went to the Charity shop. ( The Bag not the puppy).

Skylark · Post by **Skylark** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:55 pm

oscar;1261797 wrote: How old does she think I am? :yh_rotfl

I googled and his name was David Penhaligon. He was an MP for Cornwall and he died when a van driving on black ice hit him and he died in 1986. Do you remember Ocar, where you born?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:39 pm

Skylark;1262239 wrote: I googled and his name was David Penhaligon. He was an MP for Cornwall and he died when a van driving on black ice hit him and he died in 1986. Do you remember Ocar, where you born?
ahh Yes, I remember him now. Yes, I was alive and well in 1986. :wah: