Terri Schiavo has died

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:18 am

the sad saga has ended at last.

greydeadhead · Post by **greydeadhead** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:32 am

Hopefully she will haunt all the people that delayed her passage tothe other side..

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:37 am

that was certainly an emotional roller-coaster ride. Which ever side you were on, let's all take a deep breath now and say a prayer for her. :-1

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:31 am

AMEN thank God this nightmare for Terri is finally over.. :-1 My heart is sad I will pray that she is now at peace, and the awful saga is now over..

I hope Michael (so called husband) will see Terri every time he shuts his eyes..!!

I can say with all my heart Terri may not have wanted to live like she was, but I'm equally as certain that she wouldn't have wanted to be STARVED TO DEATH..

REST IN PEACE TERRI !! :-6

Post by **kensloft** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:32 am

I guess whatever was left of her will be joining the rest of her. She deserved better. Definitely in my prayers.

cars · Post by **cars** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:03 am

The terrible ordeal has finally ended for her, & "all" her family. May she finally rest in peace!!! A beating heart does not a life make!!! Existance VS "Living", that is what they were doing to her for "15" count em, "15 long" years!!! :wah:

Cars :driving:

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:34 pm

evidently the acrimony continued to the last minute, and continues still. her brother Bobby had an altercation with LE and michael refused to let him in the room in Terri's last moments. now there will be further fighting over her corpse, the parents want her buried in florida, michael wants her cremated and taken to PA.~~~~~~~also, a cardinal at the vatican today characterized Terri's death as a murder.

minks · Post by **minks** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:42 pm

lady cop wrote: evidently the acrimony continued to the last minute, and continues still. her brother Bobby had an altercation with LE and michael refused to let him in the room in Terri's last moments. now there will be further fighting over her corpse, the parents want her buried in florida, michael wants her cremated and taken to PA.

What madness!!!

Maybe they should just go private now with this and someone can force compassion upon both sides and just do right by the woman. Gawd here is where I would wish for life after death and I would so come back as a Dark and Ominous person and wreak havoc on those who turned my last years into a 12 ring circus.

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:29 pm

What is also sad is that this will not bring the family closer together in their grief.

kmhowe72 · Post by **kmhowe72** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:16 pm

You know that sounds really heartless. The sad saga ends. Well it's going to keep on going until their some answers. I hurt for that women. I hurt for her family. I got physically ill when I heared this morning. Unbelievable how heartless people can be.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:44 pm

You're right on TW. That poor woman made a fortune for the pet cults of the Republicans. Now I guess they'll have to bomb some more women's clinics again. It's good they won't have a site for her. The nutjobs would keep their sick circus going forever.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:54 pm

How is she to rest in peace? A time when the family should come together, they are torn apart. Her condition has been made into a circus between the media and government. I don't think resting in peace will come for a long, long time.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:33 pm

TW2005 wrote: You'll hear about it all the way up to and through the next election. And then for the next 100 years. The RE-PUBlicans will abuse it as much as they can.
i must have missed it when jesse jackson became a republican.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:25 pm

anastrophe wrote: i must have missed it when jesse jackson became a republican.

Jackson is a charlatan. What political persuasion are the rest of the protesters?? REPUBLICAN. One bozo media hog vs. Hordes of Christian zealots. I question the fairness of your aim!

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:07 pm

This is one of the first situations I can remember where there are absolutely no winners anywhere.

Congress took a hit for getting involved at all.

The parents lost their court battles.

Michael is vilified and demonized for the rest of his life.

The press looks bad for turning it into a circus.

Teri, herself, died and can't even get a decent burial.

Nothing but losses all round. It's sad.

kmhowe72 · Post by **kmhowe72** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:14 pm

terri schiavo's body was cremated today. After coroner released her body. I hope somebody sue's moster micheal

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:13 am

kmhowe72 wrote: terri schiavo's body was cremated today. After coroner released her body. I hope somebody sue's moster micheal:-2 the court upheld his right as guardian, he can't be sued...well, i take that back, anyone can be sued, but it won't go anywhere.

kmhowe72 · Post by **kmhowe72** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:15 am

he can be sued for wrongful death if the autopsy proves he was abusive , the nursing home aan be sued for wrongful death if they find something that was negletful. If they find that the brain was not of a veg. way. they can be sued , he can sued, and the courts can be sued. and if that happens the Justice Department oer and the Fbi can get involed. Look up floridia statued on wrongful death. But I bet somekind of legal proceeding will occure. The parents can sue anyone they want for anything. Just like we can. :-5

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:18 pm

any alleged abuse she suffered 15 years ago will be unproveable. it's my understanding the hospice took excellent care of her, it was never alleged otherwise. as i said, anyone can sue anyone for anything, but since a circuit court judge ordered the tube removed, there is no cause of action. oh, and i KNOW my florida statutes. not sure about statues though.

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:26 pm

I was thinking the same thing. Any injuries will have healed. Any poisons will have been purged.

The parents wanted independent autopsy observation, but that seems to imply that the state coronor is incompetent or has some political agenda. I don't think that's true, he's a professional.

kmhowe72 · Post by **kmhowe72** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:57 pm

not if commmon sense would tell you some of those like a reportly broken pelvis fraction, cannot come from rehab, or any otheir kind of therapy. They also said their was a paramedic that would not speak after the intial accident . saying he did not want to get involed. You know I don't know why everyones so quick to parade this man Micheal Schiavo a saint.

Even Bill orielly has called him a villian. I don't like Bill orielly. And he said thursday or friday about her being given to the parents for burial. If this was your child. I know if this was my child I would ask everything to be done and investigated. This whole thing could well be some conspiracy, See Rush's website. To find out how the party's have connection. To the hospic;. He took someone child away, he possibly abused her. Baby's come from us. They return us . He was done with her . He didn't wanted to be obligated anymore. you know I don't care if he is a lurtherin, I don't care if he stayed at hospital for two weeks. he was hiding because he knows the world thinks he's a villian.I don't care if he held her when she died. He probably whispered thankgod I am going to be free. He has problem with Control, he always needs to be in control. That's why he never let her go. Not even in Death.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:04 pm

kmhowe72 wrote: not if commmon sense would tell you some of those like a reportly broken pelvis fraction, cannot come from rehab, or any otheir kind of therapy. They also said their was a paramedic that would not speak after the intial accident . saying he did not want to get involed. You know I don't know why everyones so quick to parade this man Micheal Schiavo a saint.

Even Bill orielly has called him a villian. I don't like Bill orielly. And he said thursday or friday about her being given to the parents for burial. If this was your child. I know if this was my child I would ask everything to be done and investigated. This whole thing could well be some conspiracy, See Rush's website. To find out how the party's have connection. To the hospic;. He took someone child away, he possibly abused her. Baby's come from us. They return us . He was done with her . He didn't wanted to be obligated anymore. you know I don't care if he is a lurtherin, I don't care if he stayed at hospital for two weeks. he was hiding because he knows the world thinks he's a villian.I don't care if he held her when she died. He probably whispered thankgod I am going to be free. He has problem with Control, he always needs to be in control. That's why he never let her go. Not even in Death.i don't give one whit what bill o'reilly said. i have a mind of my own. what he said does not matter. and i think michael is garbage. what is your point?? let's get real here. any injuries she may have suffered 15 years ago are beyond litigation.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:28 pm

at this point i don't believe ANYTHING about this whole affair. there appears to have been no shortage of ugliness with all involved in it on both sides. i don't know schiavo's motives, and i don't know if terri could have been rehabilitated. there is a huge swath of rumor and innuendo about all involved, i don't think there's an impartial source regarding it anywhere.

the despicable thing here is that this became a public 'event'. regardless of what outcome terri would have wanted, i think it's reasonable to presume she would not have wanted to be at the center of a circus - media, ideological, tabloid, what-have-you - by partisans at two extremes of what is fundamentally a personal issue, and one which would not have been an issue had she had a living will.

Moral of the story: make a living will. let YOUR desires be codified, so this won't happen to you.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:31 pm

anastrophe wrote:

Moral of the story: make a living will. let YOUR desires be codified, so this won't happen to you.
to be a bit more accurate, fill out an Advance Healthcare Directive. there's inexpensive software for it, and lots of places have them pre-printed. fill it out, it's only a few major choices and any specific personal choices you want to add, and sign it in the presence of a notary. then you'll never be the center of a circus like terri.

kmhowe72 · Post by **kmhowe72** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:54 am

I am glad you don't give, what you say one wit. what the heck is that supose to mean?? The fact is people can sue people over anything, I just hope the teri parents get there way and sue him. By the way My mother is on a resperater should I pull the plug?? She is disabled. no, bevcause I am not monster.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:46 am

kmhowe72 wrote: I am glad you don't give, what you say one wit. what the heck is that supose to mean?? The fact is people can sue people over anything, I just hope the teri parents get there way and sue him. By the way My mother is on a resperater should I pull the plug?? She is disabled. no, bevcause I am not monster.it MEANS i don't care one iota what bill o'reilly says, i think for myself, how could i be more clear? and i SAID that, anyone can sue anyone, but there needs to be a legitimate cause of action. and there is none. none whatsoever. LEGALLY speaking.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:48 am

kmhowe72 wrote: I am glad you don't give, what you say one wit. what the heck is that supose to mean?? The fact is people can sue people over anything, I just hope the teri parents get there way and sue him. By the way My mother is on a resperater should I pull the plug?? She is disabled. no, bevcause I am not monster.
have you asked her what her wishes are should her condition deteriorate, and she's no longer able to make decisions for herself? have you codified those wishes via an advance healthcare directive?

whether you should 'pull the plug' is a matter for your mother to decide, when the time should come. without her wishes being codified, she'll be at the mercy of whomever has been conferred the power to make those decisions, and they may not be what she would have chosen.

kmhowe72 · Post by **kmhowe72** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:05 pm

You know what if you cannot debate calmly, then I am not going to debate you like a child. But I can bet you their going to be reprocashing from Micheals actions. It maynot be now it my not be later, but there will be. I am sure Randell and all his people. I sure we have not heared the last of it.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:09 pm

kmhowe72 wrote: You know what if you cannot debate calmly, then I am not going to debate you like a child. But I can bet you their going to be reprocashing from Micheals actions. It maynot be now it my not be later, but there will be. I am sure Randell and all his people. I sure we have not heared the last of it.who is not calm? and what is reprocashing?? and if it's not now, and it's not later, then when is it??

greydeadhead · Post by **greydeadhead** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:10 pm

Randall Terry.. oh joy. Now there is a fine upstanding Christian. Yep.. advocating violence against anyone that doesn't agree with his warped interpretation of the bible. That man and his followers are sick, demented, discriminatory ..etc etc. etc..

Question for you KM.. how do you know that Michael even did anything wrong..you have no proof, short of conspiracy theories. And as far as debating calmy.. hell you can't even spell much less discuss something this important on rational level.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:20 pm

lady cop wrote: who is not calm? and what is reprocashing?? and if it's not now, and it's not later, then when is it??

i'm taking a wild guess, but i think what was meant was 'repercussions'. but i could be wrong.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:23 pm

anastrophe wrote: i'm taking a wild guess, but i think what was meant was 'repercussions'. but i could be wrong.i knew that, but was having a bit of fun. BAD lady cop!!

greydeadhead · Post by **greydeadhead** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:26 pm

And I skipped my hooked on phonics.. I knew that would come back to haunt me..

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:32 pm

well, it took me a couple of reads to figure it out. but please, lets not have the thread devolve into spelling flames.

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:41 pm

Taa-Daa! Jives to the rescue, Boss!

OK, whether or not we agree on the Schiavo issue, let's all agree that we wouldn't want to be in either side's shoes on this one. Here is the official living will site by the government. jay leno endorsed this one on the Tonight Show and it's a good one. It even has printable wills

KM, Anastrophe (but I'm guessing you've already done this) LadyCop, and anybody else, I strongly urge you to check this out!

http://www.uslivingwillregistry.com/

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:44 pm

thanks Jives, i took care of this years ago, since my job has a rather high "accident" rate.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:56 pm

Jives wrote: Taa-Daa! Jives to the rescue, Boss!

OK, whether or not we agree on the Schiavo issue, let's all agree that we wouldn't want to be in either side's shoes on this one. Here is the official living will site by the government. jay leno endorsed this one on the Tonight Show and it's a good one. It even has printable wills

KM, Anastrophe (but I'm guessing you've already done this) LadyCop, and anybody else, I strongly urge you to check this out!

http://www.uslivingwillregistry.com/

It's worth noting that the site is not a government site, it is privately owned and operated. while they say that you can register for free through 'member healthcare providers and community partners', i could find none in my area - in the greater San Francisco bay area, nor any near my mom's location, on the SF peninsula, an area extremely well populated with hospitals, nursing homes, etc etc etc. If you can't register via a healthcare provider, it'll cost you $25.

i'm leery of this, frankly.

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:58 pm

Follow the links to the state document for your state. Just print it out and get two witnesses! To heck with paying those guys.

Well...that's what I'm doing anyway!

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:03 pm

anastrophe wrote: i'm leery of this, frankly.

But...but...but...JAY LENO endorsed it! It can't be bad!! :wah:

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:04 pm

Jives wrote: Follow the links to the state document for your state. Just print it out and get two witnesses! To heck with paying those guys.

Well...that's what I'm doing anyway!
good point. i spent all my time trying to dig up dirt on the site, rather than looking at what it offered.