As we had such a wonderful, heated debate on the pizza man shooting robbers in America, i wondered what the FG member's views on this story are?
This has been reported in British press today.
We all know that guns are Illegal in Britain and carry severe penaltie's just for merely possessing one without license.
My view of this story is, that this child should never have had access to the weapon in the first place and shame on the idiots who allowed him to even hold it.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 861064.ece
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oscar;1036875 wrote: As we had such a wonderful, heated debate on the pizza man shooting robbers in America, i wondered what the FG member's views on this story are?
This has been reported in British press today.
We all know that guns are Illegal in Britain and carry severe penaltie's just for merely possessing one without license.
My view of this story is, that this child should never have had access to the weapon in the first place and shame on the idiots who allowed him to even hold it.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 861064.ece
I agree with you, however the knife crime in the UK and Ireland is just as bad. Almost every weekend it seems there is some teenager stabbed to death outside a nightclub.
This has been reported in British press today.
We all know that guns are Illegal in Britain and carry severe penaltie's just for merely possessing one without license.
My view of this story is, that this child should never have had access to the weapon in the first place and shame on the idiots who allowed him to even hold it.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 861064.ece
I agree with you, however the knife crime in the UK and Ireland is just as bad. Almost every weekend it seems there is some teenager stabbed to death outside a nightclub.
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mikeinie;1036877 wrote: I agree with you, however the knife crime in the UK and Ireland is just as bad. Almost every weekend it seems there is some teenager stabbed to death outside a nightclub.
Absolutely. There however, we have a issue with police and government. The max penalty for simply being in the possession of a knife is 5 years imprisonment.
Due to lack of police on the streets and the human rights brigade tutting that our teenagers be subject to 'stop and search' by local police, added with lack of youth detention centre's and prison space, it has horribly gone wrong.
We also see kids that are actually brought before the courts bleating that they carry the knife purely for 'self defence' from other knife carrying teenagers. here, i believe the blame lie's at the feet of the magistrates and Judges who allow Government to influence their rulings in such cases.
I'd like to see the magistrate's give them the custodial sentence first and then let the government worry about over-crowding in prisons.
I saw a wonderful documentary about a prison in America recently. I can't remember which state it was but the Sherriff had run out of cells. Simple solution.... he put tents up outside in heat of 35 degree's. I didn't see any nanny human rights buffoons coming out in protest either.
Absolutely. There however, we have a issue with police and government. The max penalty for simply being in the possession of a knife is 5 years imprisonment.
Due to lack of police on the streets and the human rights brigade tutting that our teenagers be subject to 'stop and search' by local police, added with lack of youth detention centre's and prison space, it has horribly gone wrong.
We also see kids that are actually brought before the courts bleating that they carry the knife purely for 'self defence' from other knife carrying teenagers. here, i believe the blame lie's at the feet of the magistrates and Judges who allow Government to influence their rulings in such cases.
I'd like to see the magistrate's give them the custodial sentence first and then let the government worry about over-crowding in prisons.
I saw a wonderful documentary about a prison in America recently. I can't remember which state it was but the Sherriff had run out of cells. Simple solution.... he put tents up outside in heat of 35 degree's. I didn't see any nanny human rights buffoons coming out in protest either.
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oscar;1036890 wrote: Absolutely. There however, we have a issue with police and government. The max penalty for simply being in the possession of a knife is 5 years imprisonment.
Due to lack of police on the streets and the human rights brigade tutting that our teenagers be subject to 'stop and search' by local police, added with lack of youth detention centre's and prison space, it has horribly gone wrong.
We also see kids that are actually brought before the courts bleating that they carry the knife purely for 'self defence' from other knife carrying teenagers. here, i believe the blame lie's at the feet of the magistrates and Judges who allow Government to influence their rulings in such cases.
I'd like to see the magistrate's give them the custodial sentence first and then let the government worry about over-crowding in prisons.
I saw a wonderful documentary about a prison in America recently. I can't remember which state it was but the Sherriff had run out of cells. Simple solution.... he put tents up outside in heat of 35 degree's. I didn't see any nanny human rights buffoons coming out in protest either.
You have said nothing there that I can either disagree with or add to. Well said.
Due to lack of police on the streets and the human rights brigade tutting that our teenagers be subject to 'stop and search' by local police, added with lack of youth detention centre's and prison space, it has horribly gone wrong.
We also see kids that are actually brought before the courts bleating that they carry the knife purely for 'self defence' from other knife carrying teenagers. here, i believe the blame lie's at the feet of the magistrates and Judges who allow Government to influence their rulings in such cases.
I'd like to see the magistrate's give them the custodial sentence first and then let the government worry about over-crowding in prisons.
I saw a wonderful documentary about a prison in America recently. I can't remember which state it was but the Sherriff had run out of cells. Simple solution.... he put tents up outside in heat of 35 degree's. I didn't see any nanny human rights buffoons coming out in protest either.
You have said nothing there that I can either disagree with or add to. Well said.
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fuzzy butt;1036938 wrote: Yep especially when he shot the offending bullet.........................man that was a real hoot.
Question: a machine gun would put me back on my arse, Why would you give one to a child one third my weight?
That's another thing that i don't get. I can absolutely Understand anyone having to teach their children say, clay pigeon shooting, here in Britain. The kid is going to have to hold the gun at some point to learn but surely not the weapon they put in that kid's hands. It's a wonder he didn't take out all the spectator's as well
Question: a machine gun would put me back on my arse, Why would you give one to a child one third my weight?
That's another thing that i don't get. I can absolutely Understand anyone having to teach their children say, clay pigeon shooting, here in Britain. The kid is going to have to hold the gun at some point to learn but surely not the weapon they put in that kid's hands. It's a wonder he didn't take out all the spectator's as well
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I just tagged that story onto the end of the Pizzaman thread, from another source
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No, rights do not kill. They (the authorities, not the rights) should seriously consider charging the parent with neglect and the gun owner for the legal equivalent of being an idiot.
No, rights do not kill. They (the authorities, not the rights) should seriously consider charging the parent with neglect and the gun owner for the legal equivalent of being an idiot.
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Accountable;1037213 wrote: Are america's gun rights killing children?
No, rights do not kill. They (the authorities, not the rights) should seriously consider charging the parent with neglect and the gun owner for the legal equivalent of being an idiot.
Agreed. I noted with interest that the gun club advertised their fair as 'fun' and were not available for comment.
I think that weather America has gun law or not, to put an automatic in the hands of a kid is just mental. Yes, teach them to shoot but not let them blast up pumpkins with a semi. That's frightening.
I have just been reading some CNN news on the net and see America has had another school shooting.
No, rights do not kill. They (the authorities, not the rights) should seriously consider charging the parent with neglect and the gun owner for the legal equivalent of being an idiot.
Agreed. I noted with interest that the gun club advertised their fair as 'fun' and were not available for comment.
I think that weather America has gun law or not, to put an automatic in the hands of a kid is just mental. Yes, teach them to shoot but not let them blast up pumpkins with a semi. That's frightening.
I have just been reading some CNN news on the net and see America has had another school shooting.
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Look guns don't kill people, people kill people.
Guns just make it ridiculously easy.
Seriously though, guns, muder lawlessness, and failing societies go to reasons that are very deep. Our societies are becoming completely degenerate, there is no doubt of that. You see it on all levels, and particularly in the breakdown of families and the large increases in random violence across all western countries.
In the US you have children murdering each other for shoes, while in london and other British cities you have children emulating their rap "heroes" by getting guns (which up to recent times was unheard of in the UK) and shooting other children over whatever reason they have that day.
Essentially the problem is one of a lack of fear of consequences, as well as no sense of self-worth or the worth of anyone else, up to and including the taking of life for trivial reasons, however its done. These children are learning to do this from somewhere, children don't invent behaviour, they copy it.
Its a deeply depressing situation.
TV, and most other modern media now teaches our children that guns and violence are sexy, cool, and empowering. It also teaches them that violence up to and including cold-blooded murder is an easy solution with no repercussions. Adults take no responsibility, the law is being made into an instrument of social engineering, as are the police, and even the school system as if those things can replace parents and decent society. Governments try and rush in with there "programs" trying to "educate" young people, while they constantly facilitate the destruction of real social capital in the interests of shallow commerce. Its consumerist individualism gone mad.
Our society has little sense of real human values, everything is now a comercially driven "transaction", its all bottom line, as if thats all human beings are about. Just watch some TV, its the constant message, violence, selfishness, anti-authority, consumerism, and unlimited sexual desire is sold non-stop, 24 hours a day, specifically at younger more impressionable people. All on the basis they will buy some crappy products they don't need if you can brainwash them enough. Unfortunately, being young, it works perfectly.
Children are nothing other than what their parents tell, (or don't tell them) to be. Seeing as we seem to leave much of the programming of our kids to TV nowadays, and blaming everything except our own pathetic failure to give these children any sense of rules or guidance, is it any wonder what's happening?
Also of course, in this specific case, this person was a moron, and you can't legislate for stupidity, only punish it.
Guns just make it ridiculously easy.
Seriously though, guns, muder lawlessness, and failing societies go to reasons that are very deep. Our societies are becoming completely degenerate, there is no doubt of that. You see it on all levels, and particularly in the breakdown of families and the large increases in random violence across all western countries.
In the US you have children murdering each other for shoes, while in london and other British cities you have children emulating their rap "heroes" by getting guns (which up to recent times was unheard of in the UK) and shooting other children over whatever reason they have that day.
Essentially the problem is one of a lack of fear of consequences, as well as no sense of self-worth or the worth of anyone else, up to and including the taking of life for trivial reasons, however its done. These children are learning to do this from somewhere, children don't invent behaviour, they copy it.
Its a deeply depressing situation.
TV, and most other modern media now teaches our children that guns and violence are sexy, cool, and empowering. It also teaches them that violence up to and including cold-blooded murder is an easy solution with no repercussions. Adults take no responsibility, the law is being made into an instrument of social engineering, as are the police, and even the school system as if those things can replace parents and decent society. Governments try and rush in with there "programs" trying to "educate" young people, while they constantly facilitate the destruction of real social capital in the interests of shallow commerce. Its consumerist individualism gone mad.
Our society has little sense of real human values, everything is now a comercially driven "transaction", its all bottom line, as if thats all human beings are about. Just watch some TV, its the constant message, violence, selfishness, anti-authority, consumerism, and unlimited sexual desire is sold non-stop, 24 hours a day, specifically at younger more impressionable people. All on the basis they will buy some crappy products they don't need if you can brainwash them enough. Unfortunately, being young, it works perfectly.
Children are nothing other than what their parents tell, (or don't tell them) to be. Seeing as we seem to leave much of the programming of our kids to TV nowadays, and blaming everything except our own pathetic failure to give these children any sense of rules or guidance, is it any wonder what's happening?
Also of course, in this specific case, this person was a moron, and you can't legislate for stupidity, only punish it.
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oscar;1037263 wrote: Agreed. I noted with interest that the gun club advertised their fair as 'fun' and were not available for comment.'Course not! What's fun about that?? :yh_eyebro
oscar wrote: I think that weather America has gun law or not, to put an automatic in the hands of a kid is just mental. Yes, teach them to shoot but not let them blast up pumpkins with a semi. That's frightening.It definitly peaks the stupidometer alright.
oscar wrote: I think that weather America has gun law or not, to put an automatic in the hands of a kid is just mental. Yes, teach them to shoot but not let them blast up pumpkins with a semi. That's frightening.It definitly peaks the stupidometer alright.
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oscar;1036875 wrote: As we had such a wonderful, heated debate on the pizza man shooting robbers in America, i wondered what the FG member's views on this story are?
This has been reported in British press today.
We all know that guns are Illegal in Britain and carry severe penaltie's just for merely possessing one without license.
My view of this story is, that this child should never have had access to the weapon in the first place and shame on the idiots who allowed him to even hold it.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 861064.ece
guns are Illegal here.....but tons always manage to get them!:-5
This has been reported in British press today.
We all know that guns are Illegal in Britain and carry severe penaltie's just for merely possessing one without license.
My view of this story is, that this child should never have had access to the weapon in the first place and shame on the idiots who allowed him to even hold it.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 861064.ece
guns are Illegal here.....but tons always manage to get them!:-5
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This was just an accident. Many kids that age handle guns of all types and are never hurt. He was old enough.
It is a very sad story....very tragic. But all precautions were taken that could have been taken.
Kids get killed all the time. They get killed in cars, on bikes, on skateboards, swimming....and on and on. Are we going to say they can't drive or ride in a car? If someone gets hit on their bicycle...are we going to say that the parents never should have allowed it? How can a parent allow a child to ride a bike (which has no protection) in the street with all those huge cars? How can you take a child in a car? And drive on the freeway? What? And you take a child?
You see what I mean? It was only an accident. Life is risky. Everything we do is risky. All precautions were taken.
It is a very sad story....very tragic. But all precautions were taken that could have been taken.
Kids get killed all the time. They get killed in cars, on bikes, on skateboards, swimming....and on and on. Are we going to say they can't drive or ride in a car? If someone gets hit on their bicycle...are we going to say that the parents never should have allowed it? How can a parent allow a child to ride a bike (which has no protection) in the street with all those huge cars? How can you take a child in a car? And drive on the freeway? What? And you take a child?
You see what I mean? It was only an accident. Life is risky. Everything we do is risky. All precautions were taken.
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Sad story and an accident. Not sure he was strong enough to handle a machine gun but his parents gave him permission and it was in a controlled environment.
My personal feelings are guns in anyone's hand are dangerous and they all have the potential to kill accident or otherwise. I wouldn't take that chance with my child but that's my opinion.
My personal feelings are guns in anyone's hand are dangerous and they all have the potential to kill accident or otherwise. I wouldn't take that chance with my child but that's my opinion.
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wildhorses;1037306 wrote: This was just an accident. Many kids that age handle guns of all types and are never hurt. He was old enough.
It is a very sad story....very tragic. But all precautions were taken that could have been taken.
Obviously not or the kid would still be alive. How can you say ALL precautions were taken? Had he shot anything remotely that powerful before? How much prior gun knowledge did he have? There's no way for you to know that unless you knew him and the family personally? Is that the case?
Not all precautions were taken.
It is a very sad story....very tragic. But all precautions were taken that could have been taken.
Obviously not or the kid would still be alive. How can you say ALL precautions were taken? Had he shot anything remotely that powerful before? How much prior gun knowledge did he have? There's no way for you to know that unless you knew him and the family personally? Is that the case?
Not all precautions were taken.
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Accountable;1037357 wrote: Obviously not or the kid would still be alive. How can you say ALL precautions were taken? Had he shot anything remotely that powerful before? How much prior gun knowledge did he have? There's no way for you to know that unless you knew him and the family personally? Is that the case?
Not all precautions were taken.
We have accidents here with kids learning guns in sport but i think the issue is, putting a weapon of that magnitude in his hands.
I can fully understand one of our gun clubs putting a shotgun in the hands of a kid because he has to learn his sport and if he goes on to hurt anyone later in life, the worst he's going to use is a rifle.
At what time in this child's life is he likely to use the semi that he was given?
Unless he wants to map out a career in drive by shootings??
Not all precautions were taken.
We have accidents here with kids learning guns in sport but i think the issue is, putting a weapon of that magnitude in his hands.
I can fully understand one of our gun clubs putting a shotgun in the hands of a kid because he has to learn his sport and if he goes on to hurt anyone later in life, the worst he's going to use is a rifle.
At what time in this child's life is he likely to use the semi that he was given?
Unless he wants to map out a career in drive by shootings??
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oscar;1037371 wrote: We have accidents here with kids learning guns in sport but i think the issue is, putting a weapon of that magnitude in his hands.
I can fully understand one of our gun clubs putting a shotgun in the hands of a kid because he has to learn his sport and if he goes on to hurt anyone later in life, the worst he's going to use is a rifle.
At what time in this child's life is he likely to use the semi that he was given?
Unless he wants to map out a career in drive by shootings??
But he does not have to be shooting the gun because he will use it later in life. Maybe he just was interested in guns. Even if it was recreational for him, I think it is acceptable. It was a tragic accident to be sure. But accidents happen to children under other circumstances. Many things that kids are allowed to do are just as dangerous. We can't lock kids up and not allow them to do anything because something might happen to them. What kind of childhood would that be? If he drowned while swimming would we all say that the parents should not have allowed him to go swimming? No we would not. But swimming is just as dangerous as handling a gun. And a swimming accident is no less tragic.
I can fully understand one of our gun clubs putting a shotgun in the hands of a kid because he has to learn his sport and if he goes on to hurt anyone later in life, the worst he's going to use is a rifle.
At what time in this child's life is he likely to use the semi that he was given?
Unless he wants to map out a career in drive by shootings??
But he does not have to be shooting the gun because he will use it later in life. Maybe he just was interested in guns. Even if it was recreational for him, I think it is acceptable. It was a tragic accident to be sure. But accidents happen to children under other circumstances. Many things that kids are allowed to do are just as dangerous. We can't lock kids up and not allow them to do anything because something might happen to them. What kind of childhood would that be? If he drowned while swimming would we all say that the parents should not have allowed him to go swimming? No we would not. But swimming is just as dangerous as handling a gun. And a swimming accident is no less tragic.
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Accountable;1037357 wrote: Obviously not or the kid would still be alive. How can you say ALL precautions were taken? Had he shot anything remotely that powerful before? How much prior gun knowledge did he have? There's no way for you to know that unless you knew him and the family personally? Is that the case?
Not all precautions were taken.
You can do everything right and still have horrible things happen. He was supervised. It just happened that's all. It is tragic.
Not all precautions were taken.
You can do everything right and still have horrible things happen. He was supervised. It just happened that's all. It is tragic.
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wildhorses;1037384 wrote: You can do everything right and still have horrible things happen. He was supervised. It just happened that's all. It is tragic.
It is very sad when any child die's needlessly. I know here that OMG there would be one hell of a stink over it. The parents would be under arrest i am sure, even possibly the administrator of the club looking at a manslaughter charge.
It is very sad when any child die's needlessly. I know here that OMG there would be one hell of a stink over it. The parents would be under arrest i am sure, even possibly the administrator of the club looking at a manslaughter charge.
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wildhorses;1037306 wrote:
Kids get killed all the time. They get killed in cars, on bikes, on skateboards, swimming....and on and on. Are we going to say they can't drive or ride in a car?
There isn't a jurisdiction on this planet that would allow an eight year old to drive a car, so, yes, we are going to say that kids cannot drive a car.
Letting an eight year old handle a weapon that was designed to kill human beings (Uzis were not designed for hunting game) is pure stupidity.
Kids get killed all the time. They get killed in cars, on bikes, on skateboards, swimming....and on and on. Are we going to say they can't drive or ride in a car?
There isn't a jurisdiction on this planet that would allow an eight year old to drive a car, so, yes, we are going to say that kids cannot drive a car.
Letting an eight year old handle a weapon that was designed to kill human beings (Uzis were not designed for hunting game) is pure stupidity.
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Richard Bell;1037392 wrote: There isn't a jurisdiction on this planet that would allow an eight year old to drive a car, so, yes, we are going to say that kids cannot drive a car.
Letting an eight year old handle a weapon that was designed to kill human beings (Uzis were not designed for hunting game) is pure stupidity.
Um....I was speaking of kids in general when it comes to driving. So I take it you are in favor of not letting kids do anything. So here is the list of things they can't do because some freak accident might happen and they would die.
riding in a car
swimming
riding a bike
having a dog
walking on the street
crossing the street
flying in a plane
driving a car
boat rides
camping
backpacking
going on any ride in an amusement park
riding in a train
skateboarding
Kids die everyday doing the above things. If the child has an interest in guns and wants to shoot one, then he should be able to do it. It was just a freak accident.
Letting an eight year old handle a weapon that was designed to kill human beings (Uzis were not designed for hunting game) is pure stupidity.
Um....I was speaking of kids in general when it comes to driving. So I take it you are in favor of not letting kids do anything. So here is the list of things they can't do because some freak accident might happen and they would die.
riding in a car
swimming
riding a bike
having a dog
walking on the street
crossing the street
flying in a plane
driving a car
boat rides
camping
backpacking
going on any ride in an amusement park
riding in a train
skateboarding
Kids die everyday doing the above things. If the child has an interest in guns and wants to shoot one, then he should be able to do it. It was just a freak accident.
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Galbally;1037276 wrote: Look guns don't kill people
Your right Dr gallbladder...... guns don't kill people..... but i think the bullets help.
Your right Dr gallbladder...... guns don't kill people..... but i think the bullets help.
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wildhorses;1037402 wrote: Um....I was speaking of kids in general when it comes to driving. So I take it you are in favor of not letting kids do anything. So here is the list of things they can't do because some freak accident might happen and they would die.
riding in a car
swimming
riding a bike
having a dog
walking on the street
crossing the street
flying in a plane
driving a car
boat rides
camping
backpacking
going on any ride in an amusement park
riding in a train
skateboarding
Kids die everyday doing the above things. If the child has an interest in guns and wants to shoot one, then he should be able to do it. It was just a freak accident.
Let's go backpacking together. go have a shot on the fairground, go play on your skateboard, your bike (suitably helmeted of course) let's go for a run on the car, cross the street safely, let's go on a plane somewhere, learn to swim. go play in the paddling pond.
Go play with your machine gun. You're right there is a lot of similarity.:rolleyes:
riding in a car
swimming
riding a bike
having a dog
walking on the street
crossing the street
flying in a plane
driving a car
boat rides
camping
backpacking
going on any ride in an amusement park
riding in a train
skateboarding
Kids die everyday doing the above things. If the child has an interest in guns and wants to shoot one, then he should be able to do it. It was just a freak accident.
Let's go backpacking together. go have a shot on the fairground, go play on your skateboard, your bike (suitably helmeted of course) let's go for a run on the car, cross the street safely, let's go on a plane somewhere, learn to swim. go play in the paddling pond.
Go play with your machine gun. You're right there is a lot of similarity.:rolleyes:
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wildhorses;1037384 wrote: You can do everything right and still have horrible things happen. He was supervised. It just happened that's all. It is tragic.
He wasn't supervised, he was watched. If the parent has another kid, do you think he would say "Sure! Try it out, it might be fun. Be careful, though. Your big brother was killed shooting it, but those things happen" ??
For a kid as small as an eight-year-old, the first spray should have been hand-over-hand with his parent or a trainer, so the kid could appreciate the amount of kick and be prepared for it.
He wasn't supervised, he was watched. If the parent has another kid, do you think he would say "Sure! Try it out, it might be fun. Be careful, though. Your big brother was killed shooting it, but those things happen" ??
For a kid as small as an eight-year-old, the first spray should have been hand-over-hand with his parent or a trainer, so the kid could appreciate the amount of kick and be prepared for it.
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[quote=wildhorses;1037402]Um....I was speaking of kids in general when it comes to driving. So I take it you are in favor of not letting kids do anything. So here is the list of things they can't do because some freak accident might happen and they would die.
riding in a car - The parallel should be driving, not riding. The kid wasn't a spectator this time.
swimming - Swimming lessons start with an adult in physical contact with the child, to prevent drowning.
riding a bike - The lessons start with an adult holding onto the bike, after the tricycle phase and training wheels.
having a dog - No responsible adult buys their kid a grown dog and sets them loose. They start with a puppy.
walking on the street - Starts with hand-in-hand walks with a parent
crossing the street - Starts with hand-in-hand walks with a parent
flying in a plane - Again, as a passenger, not pilot. Same as the car analogy.
driving a car - How many eight-year-olds do you know that drive cars? Maybe the farm truck out in the middle of a pasture, but certainly not on roads or at any speed.
boat rides - Safety vest
camping - Accompanied by adults; allowing an eight-year-old to go camping alone would be asking for having the child removed from the home for neglect.
backpacking - Same as camping.
going on any ride in an amusement park - They have height requirements for safety
riding in a train - Same as flying in a plane.
skateboarding - Helmet, pads, etc. What are the odds of getting killed skateboarding vs firing weapons?
Kids die everyday doing the above things. If the child has an interest in guns and wants to shoot one, then he should be able to do it. It was just a freak accident.[/quote
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You're grasping, Horse. It was a terrible tragedy I'm sure the parent regrets and will regret for the rest of his life, but he SHOULD regret it because he was negligent (from the information available). That's not to say recreational shooting should be outlawed. It's fun! This time, I'm not convinced the kid was adequately taken care of.
riding in a car - The parallel should be driving, not riding. The kid wasn't a spectator this time.
swimming - Swimming lessons start with an adult in physical contact with the child, to prevent drowning.
riding a bike - The lessons start with an adult holding onto the bike, after the tricycle phase and training wheels.
having a dog - No responsible adult buys their kid a grown dog and sets them loose. They start with a puppy.
walking on the street - Starts with hand-in-hand walks with a parent
crossing the street - Starts with hand-in-hand walks with a parent
flying in a plane - Again, as a passenger, not pilot. Same as the car analogy.
driving a car - How many eight-year-olds do you know that drive cars? Maybe the farm truck out in the middle of a pasture, but certainly not on roads or at any speed.
boat rides - Safety vest
camping - Accompanied by adults; allowing an eight-year-old to go camping alone would be asking for having the child removed from the home for neglect.
backpacking - Same as camping.
going on any ride in an amusement park - They have height requirements for safety
riding in a train - Same as flying in a plane.
skateboarding - Helmet, pads, etc. What are the odds of getting killed skateboarding vs firing weapons?
Kids die everyday doing the above things. If the child has an interest in guns and wants to shoot one, then he should be able to do it. It was just a freak accident.[/quote
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You're grasping, Horse. It was a terrible tragedy I'm sure the parent regrets and will regret for the rest of his life, but he SHOULD regret it because he was negligent (from the information available). That's not to say recreational shooting should be outlawed. It's fun! This time, I'm not convinced the kid was adequately taken care of.
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wildhorses;1037402 wrote: Kids die everyday doing the above things. If the child has an interest in guns and wants to shoot one, then he should be able to do it.
I absolutely agree! I didn't want that to get lost in the fog.
I absolutely agree! I didn't want that to get lost in the fog.
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fuzzy butt;1037552 wrote: I was just wondering how many kids do you guys personally see playing soldiers?
Just interested?
They go from playing cowboys & indians to playing gangland drive-by's here.
Just interested?
They go from playing cowboys & indians to playing gangland drive-by's here.
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You may know that Britain is hosting the next Olympics. Some sports we will have no trouble getting a gold. Drive by shooting.... we just get the Hackney crew in....... and knife throwing...... we'll just bring the country's teenagers in.
We're very good at that.
We're very good at that.
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oscar;1037508 wrote: Your right Dr gallbladder...... guns don't kill people..... but i think the bullets help.
Bullets don't kill people, its the holes that the bullets make in them that kill them. Look, its simple arm everyone from childbirth and make them paranoid about everyone else they meet, hopefully they will keep the economy afloat by using lots of bullets, hey! thats the free market. :wah:
Bullets don't kill people, its the holes that the bullets make in them that kill them. Look, its simple arm everyone from childbirth and make them paranoid about everyone else they meet, hopefully they will keep the economy afloat by using lots of bullets, hey! thats the free market. :wah:
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"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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Galbally;1037573 wrote: Bullets don't kill people, its the holes that the bullets make in them that kill them. Look, its simple arm everyone from childbirth and make them paranoid about everyone else they meet, hopefully they will keep the economy afloat by using lots of bullets, hey! thats the free market. :wah:
Chicken or egg???? I beg to differ Dr gallstone. I think the bullet came before the hole.
Chicken or egg???? I beg to differ Dr gallstone. I think the bullet came before the hole.
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