Four days to go

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:04 am

As the election fever really paces up now..... who will you be voting for?????

For non-Americans, if you had the choice, who would you give your vote to and why??

My money is on this guy

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... in-it.html

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:08 am

This is where we part ways Oscar. Going straight ticket Democrat. Personally, I can't wait for this to be over. Everyday I'm bombarded with mail, people on my porch, emails and robocalls. Go away!

TheNewDG · Post by **TheNewDG** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:09 am

Im voting elephant.

Sarah Palin is on town today. I think the rally started about 15 minutes ago,

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:30 am

oscar;1036527 wrote: As the election fever really paces up now..... who will you be voting for?????

For non-Americans, if you had the choice, who would you give your vote to and why??

My money is on this guy

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... in-it.html

So you would vote for a lunatic that wants american troops to occupy iraq indefinitely and also start a war with Iran? You're off your head woman.

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:36 am

TheNewDG;1036538 wrote: Im voting elephant.

Sarah Palin is on town today. I think the rally started about 15 minutes ago,

Is she in Ameerica today? Loathe her.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:15 am

well voted early. still feel we have no real GOOD choice:(

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:28 am

gmc;1036603 wrote: So you would vote for a lunatic that wants american troops to occupy iraq indefinitely and also start a war with Iran? You're off your head woman.

Yep :wah::wah:

We already established that i am a Labour loving, Gordon Brown swooning, Daily Mail reader so i must be a loonatic as well.

What i don't like about Obama is that in all the speeches i have seen him make, he trie's to please all of the people, all of the time. In the real world, you just can't do that.

Is he going to try to 'please' Iran, Iraq or Al-Quaeda when they put the pressure on him because a wet lettuce has more backbone???

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:47 am

oscar;1036527 wrote: As the election fever really paces up now..... who will you be voting for?????

For non-Americans, if you had the choice, who would you give your vote to and why??

My money is on this guy

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... in-it.html

Barack Obamah: and I think that the world should be able to vote on US elections as we it dominates global news and as well what happens in the States and their policies impact us all.

why: Because the other party has screwed things up for all of us.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:01 am

mikeinie;1036775 wrote: Barack Obamah: and I think that the world should be able to vote on US elections as we it dominates global news and as well what happens in the States and their policies impact us all.

why: Because the other party has screwed things up for all of us.

I agree but that should exclude the likes of China, Korea, Iraq, Iran, Syeria etc etc who would vote for their own personal gain and not the benifit of the world.

I heard some blah blah blah on BBC news last night that America is still considered to be the super-power of the western world so we should all get a vote.

cue superpowerchina

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:03 am

oscar;1036797 wrote: I agree but that should exclude the likes of China, Korea, Iraq, Iran, Syeria etc etc who would vote for their own personal gain and not the benifit of the world.

I heard some blah blah blah on BBC news last night that America is still considered to be the super-power of the western world so we should all get a vote.

cue superpowerchina

I agree, just the West... well the EU and we can let them vote in the EU elections as well.... we do have EU elections don't we?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:06 am

mikeinie;1036798 wrote: I agree, just the West... well the EU and we can let them vote in the EU elections as well.... we do have EU elections don't we?

Yes we do, but they are hushed up. We have European Memebers of Parliment as well, for what the useless twats are worth.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:08 am

southern yankee;1036706 wrote: well voted early. still feel we have no real GOOD choice:(

I agree there as well. I would have gone with Hilary or even Biden if they were the candidates. They just seem more in control of what they are saying.

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:11 am

oscar;1036801 wrote: I agree there as well. I would have gone with Hilary or even Biden if they were the candidates. They just seem more in control of what they are saying.

And you don't think Sarah is being "controlled in her speeches"?

TheNewDG · Post by **TheNewDG** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:14 am

qsducks;1036621 wrote: Is she in Ameerica today? Loathe her.

She is in Fredericksburg, VA. I think the rally started at noon. They started closing streets at 7am this morning.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:15 am

qsducks;1036803 wrote: And you don't think Sarah is being "controlled in her speeches"?

Yes i do.

Although i see McCain as the next president, i have to say that all this 'socar mom' crap is getting on my nerves.

I just don't hear Hilary or Biden coming out with such nonsense.

We had a report in our press today that palin had $100,000 worth of new clothes bought for her by McCain as well.

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:18 am

oscar;1036808 wrote: Yes i do.

Although i see McCain as the next president, i have to say that all this 'socar mom' crap is getting on my nerves.

I just don't hear Hilary or Biden coming out with such nonsense.

We had a report in our press today that palin had $100,000 worth of new clothes bought for her by McCain as well.

Oh yes, she is catching a load of Sh*t for that colassol mistake. She's a hockey mom and I'm a baseball mom, she gets on my nerves. Her voice sounds like somebody driving their fingernails down a blackboard.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:18 am

TheNewDG;1036806 wrote: She is in Fredericksburg, VA. I think the rally started at noon. They started closing streets at 7am this morning.

Do they have a grassy knoll or book depository near her??????

Sorry

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:22 am

oscar;1036811 wrote: Do they have a grassy knoll or book depository near her??????

Sorry

No, but we do have my "deck from which I can see Russia". Will that do?:wah:

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:18 pm

oscar;1036799 wrote: Yes we do, but they are hushed up. We have European Memebers of Parliment as well, for what the useless twats are worth.

In that case then Europe and US are not than unalike, so yes, we should be able to vote in each other's elections.

Heck, why don't we all just join up and become the:

United Countries of the Western Hemisphere.

We can have our central government¦¦¦.. on.. The Isle of Man.. what a great name of a place to hold a central government.

Only for politically correct purposes we would need to change the name to the Isle of Person.

Then we can all combine our massive debts together and and and make Ryanair our national airline..

(sorry, it’s been a long day)

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:25 pm

mikeinie;1036889 wrote: In that case then Europe and US are not than unalike, so yes, we should be able to vote in each other's elections.

Heck, why don't we all just join up and become the:

United Countries of the Western Hemisphere.

We can have our central government¦¦¦.. on.. The Isle of Man.. what a great name of a place to hold a central government.

Only for politically correct purposes we would need to change the name to the Isle of Person.

Then we can all combine our massive debts together and and and make Ryanair our national airline..

(sorry, it’s been a long day)

For the Americans; The Isle of Man is an island between the UK and Ireland.

http://www.visitisleofman.com/

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:26 pm

mikeinie;1036889 wrote: In that case then Europe and US are not than unalike, so yes, we should be able to vote in each other's elections.

Heck, why don't we all just join up and become the:

United Countries of the Western Hemisphere.

We can have our central government¦¦¦.. on.. The Isle of Man.. what a great name of a place to hold a central government.

Only for politically correct purposes we would need to change the name to the Isle of Person.

Then we can all combine our massive debts together and and and make Ryanair our national airline..

(sorry, it’s been a long day)

What is it with you Irish guys and the Isle of Man??

In another thread, galbally challenged me to a fight on the Isle of Man at 4 pm but then he is a peat bog Leprechaun and i'd expect nothing else.

last time i looked, the Isle of man was already an Independant state who wanted nothing more to do with those nasty British and Irish celtic people.

We could just invade the Isle of Man, and export all their manx cat's to make money. (I've had a long day as well.) If we invade, we could use it as Central government for the United Western Allience.

We could all then invade every country in the east and peace would re-sume.

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:30 pm

oscar;1036896 wrote: What is it with you Irish guys and the Isle of Man??

In another thread, galbally challenged me to a fight on the Isle of Man at 4 pm but then he is a peat bog Leprechaun and i'd expect nothing else.

last time i looked, the Isle of man was already an Independant state who wanted nothing more to do with those nasty British and Irish celtic people.

We could just invade the Isle of Man, and export all their manx cat's to make money. (I've had a long day as well.) If we invade, we could use it as Central government for the United Western Allience.

We could all then invade every country in the east and peace would re-sume.

......ya and we would never have to worry about our capital being invaded because no one would be able to find it.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:10 pm

mikeinie;1036900 wrote: ......ya and we would never have to worry about our capital being invaded because no one would be able to find it.

:wah::wah: And it's too small for America to invade :wah::wah:

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:23 pm

oscar;1036742 wrote: Yep :wah::wah:

We already established that i am a Labour loving, Gordon Brown swooning, Daily Mail reader so i must be a loonatic as well.

What i don't like about Obama is that in all the speeches i have seen him make, he trie's to please all of the people, all of the time. In the real world, you just can't do that.

Is he going to try to 'please' Iran, Iraq or Al-Quaeda when they put the pressure on him because a wet lettuce has more backbone???

As opposed to the current nutters that keep attacking Pakistan (good way to help keep an ally on side that) and now Syria (good way to get hard liners more support in syria).

Best thing that could happen for al quada is for McCain to win.

posted by gs ducks

Oh yes, she is catching a load of Sh*t for that colassol mistake. She's a hockey mom and I'm a baseball mom, she gets on my nerves. Her voice sounds like somebody driving their fingernails down a blackboard.

Is therte some difference in being a soccer mom as opposed to a baseball mom? Like rugby and fooball moms here I suppose. Where are all the dads shouldn't they be taking their sons to games?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:31 pm

gmc;1036959 wrote: As opposed to the current nutters that keep attacking Pakistan (good way to help keep an ally on side that) and now Syria (good way to get hard liners more support in syria).

Best thing that could happen for al quada is for McCain to win.

posted by gs ducks

Is therte some difference in being a soccer mom as opposed to a baseball mom? Like rugby and fooball moms here I suppose. Where are all the dads shouldn't they be taking their sons to games?

Al-Quaeda have allegedlly already stated on Al jazzwhotsit that they are urge America to back McCain. There again, they are sucide merchants.

If pakistan did not have hard line links to Al-Quaeda, there would be no attack.

You can not suggest that America or the UK would attack a country for absolutely nothing??? It just doesn't happen :sneaky:

Al-Quaeda is not a country nor army that is solely open to attack. It is many cells of many fractions of religeous fanactics who believe they have been done an injustice by the West.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:53 am

posted by Oscar

Al-Quaeda is not a country nor army that is solely open to attack. It is many cells of many fractions of religeous fanactics who believe they have been done an injustice by the West.

Wll there's a surprise a daily mail reader that knows that. You've been reading something else as well haven't you?:sneaky:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:03 am

gmc;1037524 wrote: posted by Oscar

Wll there's a surprise a daily mail reader that knows that. You've been reading something else as well haven't you?:sneaky:

Yes your right you haggis botherer. I have been reading Mr Oscar's 'Poultry Today', 'Rat Breeders Monthly', 'Angling Times' and 'The Star'. :p:p:p

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:07 am

mikeinie;1036889 wrote: In that case then Europe and US are not than unalike, so yes, we should be able to vote in each other's elections.

Heck, why don't we all just join up and become the:

United Countries of the Western Hemisphere.

We can have our central government¦¦¦.. on.. The Isle of Man.. what a great name of a place to hold a central government.

Only for politically correct purposes we would need to change the name to the Isle of Person.

Then we can all combine our massive debts together and and and make Ryanair our national airline..

(sorry, it’s been a long day)

excellant idea!

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:49 am

mikeinie;1036775 wrote: Barack Obamah: and I think that the world should be able to vote on US elections as we it dominates global news and as well what happens in the States and their policies impact us all.

why: Because the other party has screwed things up for all of us.

What a great idea for the rest of the world to vote in U.S. Elections!!!

Just send us 33% of your income as a voting tax:wah:

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:53 am

Lon;1037742 wrote: What a great idea for the rest of the world to vote in U.S. Elections!!!

Just send us 33% of your income as a voting tax:wah:

:wah:

Imladris · Post by **Imladris** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:59 am

Lon;1037742 wrote: What a great idea for the rest of the world to vote in U.S. Elections!!!

Just send us 33% of your income as a voting tax:wah:

Last time I checked we were earning bugger all and what we do have seems to be taxed to the hilt or spent on petrol to just get us into work.

And we won't even start on the council tax and the water rates..........

back on subject, goodness knows who would make the best president, I'm glad I don't have to try to choose!

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:02 am

I won't be deciding either, I missed the registration.

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:36 am

I would have voted for Hilary....now I'm not sure ....Obama probably....the other guy's too old........

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:37 am

Four days to go and I got asked a question I'd like everyone to consider..

Alaska takes money from the oil companies and issues checks to all of it's citizens... what do you call that?

And before anyone says 'but' like I did... apparently Palin has actually gotten the taxes increased on those companies..:rolleyes:

I just can't for the life of me understand McCains choice of Palin over just about any other female in the Republican party. I mean seriously... Rice? Dole? Fiorina?

Perhaps everyone else passed..

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:44 am

Bez;1037791 wrote: I would have voted for Hilary....now I'm not sure ....Obama probably....the other guy's too old........

Saw a funny political button here the other day called "Geezer-Dingdong" referring to McCain & Palin.:wah:

Post by **spot** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:55 am

flopstock;1037844 wrote: I just can't for the life of me understand McCains choice of Palin over just about any other female in the Republican party. I mean seriously... Rice? Dole? Fiorina?She was supposed to have swung several states to Senator McCain which would otherwise have voted in favour of Senator Obama. That was the intention.

There's an effect which nobody's discussed so far. In some US Presidential Elections, before this manic partisan effect became so overwhelming, people on the day quite often voted for the candidate they thought would win, wanting the feel-good of their preferred candidate coming top. Then came this fundamentalist spirit in which the other side were hell-bound apologists for Satan and nothing short of dismemberment would get them to vote for the Party Of Error, whichever that was.

If this year a few - maybe one in ten - go back to wanting the feel-good on the day from voting for the winner, this might be the first election in American history where one candidate captures the entire Electoral College and brings the country together. Let's face it, it's certainly not going to be Senator McCain with that dreadful paper cut-out from Anchorage.

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:59 am

flopstock;1037844 wrote: Four days to go and I got asked a question I'd like everyone to consider..

Alaska takes money from the oil companies and issues checks to all of it's citizens... what do you call that?

And before anyone says 'but' like I did... apparently Palin has actually gotten the taxes increased on those companies..:rolleyes:

I just can't for the life of me understand McCains choice of Palin over just about any other female in the Republican party. I mean seriously... Rice? Dole? Fiorina?

Perhaps everyone else passed..

Isn't that called "spreading the wealth"? Uggh, McCain now has that moron Joe the Plumber with him on the campaign trail. I'm married to a licensed plumber. It's just insulting to us.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:17 am

spot;1037860 wrote: She was supposed to have swung several states to Senator McCain which would otherwise have voted in favour of Senator Obama. That was the intention.

There's an effect which nobody's discussed so far. In some US Presidential Elections, before this manic partisan effect became so overwhelming, people on the day quite often voted for the candidate they thought would win, wanting the feel-good of their preferred candidate coming top. Then came this fundamentalist spirit in which the other side were hell-bound apologists for Satan and nothing short of dismemberment would get them to vote for the Party Of Error, whichever that was.

If this year a few - maybe one in ten - go back to wanting the feel-good on the day from voting for the winner, this might be the first election in American history where one candidate captures the entire Electoral College and brings the country together. Let's face it, it's certainly not going to be Senator McCain with that dreadful paper cut-out from Anchorage.

I have to believe that she is much better then she is coming off here, spot. Think about it... she's managed to get elected governer. I really have to consider that this may be an effect of not running her own campaign, but rather having to carry the party line.

It will be interesting to see her mature in the process, if they don't win this time. If she is out there campaigning for herself next go round, I think we'll get a much better feel for her.

I can't imagine having someone call me to be vice president and anyone expecting me to do anything but try to avoid tripping myself up.. and while she has state political experience... she needed grooming IMO. If she has 4 years of grooming... watchout!

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:40 pm

Well after the Assassination attempt was foiled against Obama. I feel if Obama is elected. Every Skin head and other Freaks. Will be coming out of the woodwork. Pot shots at Obama will not STOP. If one of these extremist succeeds. there will be hell on earth. with riots , drive by shootings, and bombings. Whites on blacks. and blacks on whites. This will be a lot worse then 911. Because the terrorist. will be within our boarders.

:-3

Post by **spot** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:52 pm

southern yankee;1037985 wrote: This will be a lot worse then 911. Because the terrorist. will be within our boarders.

:-3

That's extraordinary. Nobody made much fuss at all when Ronald Reagan was clipped.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:58 pm

spot;1038000 wrote: That's extraordinary. Nobody made much fuss at all when Ronald Reagan was clipped. well it will be a race thing. BIG DIFFERENCE

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:59 pm

southern yankee;1037985 wrote: Well after the Assassination attempt was foiled against Obama. I feel if Obama is elected. Every Skin head and other Freaks. Will be coming out of the woodwork. Pot shots at Obama will not STOP. If one of these extremist succeeds. there will be hell on earth. with riots , drive by shootings, and bombings. Whites on blacks. and blacks on whites. This will be a lot worse then 911. Because the terrorist. will be within our boarders.

:-3

Kind of embarrassing that it will be white americans we have to fear, isn't it?

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:07 pm

flopstock;1038008 wrote: Kind of embarrassing that it will be white americans we have to fear, isn't it?

that's the problem. it could be just about ANYONE of any color. or ethnic group.

Post by **spot** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:10 pm

southern yankee;1038006 wrote: well it will be a race thing. BIG DIFFERENCE

That's an extreme assumption. A hundred million fundamentalist Christians think the man's Satan's personal envoy on Earth and it has to be a race thing that gets him shot at?

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:15 pm

spot;1038024 wrote: That's an extreme assumption. A hundred million fundamentalist Christians think the man's Satan's personal envoy on Earth and it has to be a race thing that gets him shot at? If you lived here. and heard what a lot people say and feel. then you would understand why i said what i did.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:48 pm

spot;1038024 wrote: That's an extreme assumption. A hundred million fundamentalist Christians think the man's Satan's personal envoy on Earth and it has to be a race thing that gets him shot at?

What in the hell do you suppose qualifies him as such in their eyes?

Post by **spot** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:55 pm

flopstock;1038088 wrote: What in the hell do you suppose qualifies him as such in their eyes?

He's not a fundamentalist Christian. Everyone who's not a fundamentalist Christian is going to hell, ask one and they'll confirm it for me. What did I get wrong? That people going to hell are Satan's personal envoys on Earth? That there's a hundred million fundamentalist Christians in the USA? I stand by every word of it.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:09 pm

spot;1038095 wrote: He's not a fundamentalist Christian. Everyone who's not a fundamentalist Christian is going to hell, ask one and they'll confirm it for me. What did I get wrong? That people going to hell are Satan's personal envoys on Earth? That there's a hundred million fundamentalist Christians in the USA? I stand by every word of it. that has nothing. to with Skin heads. They are a hate group. not just blacks either,Jewish, catholics, and so on. But these groups split er off. Into many other groups. but any killing will be tied with them. one way or another.

Post by **spot** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:13 pm

southern yankee;1038111 wrote: Into many other groups. but any killing will be tied with them. one way or another.It's so much more complicated a theory than that these people just want Jodie Foster to be their special friend, isn't it. I find it a lot easier just to assume it's her fault.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:08 am

You know, I think everyone is just getting a bit too worked up about this election, hey guys, its just a bit of fun, its not like the outcome is important is it? :wah:

Seriously though, there are a lot of positives to come out of this process, there is a serious debate in America about its direction at the moment, the most serious political debate probably since the 1960s, sometimes thats been ugly but thats the nature of American democracy, you get to see it happening in the open.

I think Obama is going to win this, and probably the democrats are going to sweep the board, it seems to me that many Americans are hungry for a new direction, and for their nation to adopt a new stance in the world. Of course many others are fearful of what change means, thats a fairly typical response in any country.

I think the Republicans are going to embark on political civil war once this is over, as the right wing religious base (that party has really moved to the right in recent years) trys to take complete control from the more moderate fiscally conservative, realist, and libertarian side of the party (which would be the one I would admire).

You can see it in the current Republican ticket, John McCain is a traditional conservative with a somewhat reformist nature, his running mate however, is a radical particularly on issues of social policy, she seems to appeal very much to a certain mentality on the American right, but its the one thats obsessed with cultural questions such as guns, abortion, and race rather than the wider issues of governance of the United States.

Thats the fault line in American politics at the moment thats interesting. Its my guess that if the Republicans don't pull back from this lurch to the radical right they will spend many years in the wilderness. However, if the Republicans can jettison some of the more scary fundamentalist types and get back to being a truly conservative party of reasonably small (but effective) government (that governs for all Americans not just right-wing white people), realistic foreign policies, and minimum interference in people's lives and beliefs they may have a chance come next time.