Question For Christians

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:10 am

Is there any proof Of Jesus / Moses / Abraham ever being in Egypt, being that the egyptians kept records of everything , meaning pictures / dates / tIME Etc Etc .

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:38 am

Daniy:-6

Welcome.

I'm not really sure what the relevance of the question is. The historicity of Moses and Abraham are at best questionable.

It is doubtful that Jesus ever traveled to Egypt but than there are some 30+ years of his life that we know nothing of.

Shalom

Ted:-6

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:51 am

Egyptian Customs didn't log them in?? :-2

Post by **spot** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:18 pm

Daniyal;907986 wrote: Is there any proof Of Jesus / Moses / Abraham ever being in Egypt, being that the egyptians kept records of everything , meaning pictures / dates / tIME Etc Etc .

In 458 BC Herodotus visited Egypt and talked to priests and officials. He wrote a long book about it. It's hard to believe he didn't actually go there, given how much detail he put into his books, but there's no records in Egypt of his visit either on the walls or in any records. Did Herodotus not go to Egypt either?

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:37 am

Is there any proof Of Jesus / Moses / Abraham ever being in Egypt, being that the egyptians kept records of everything , meaning pictures / dates / tIME Etc Etc .

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:42 am

Egyptian Customs didn't log them in?? :-2

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:11 am

Was Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christian ?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:15 am

Capital C? No.

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:58 am

Was Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christian ? Can Anyone Answer The Ques;

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:02 am

:wah: Pleeeeese? Apparently I don't meet with Danny's discriminating discrimination.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:44 am

Daniyal;909068 wrote: Is there any proof Of Jesus / Moses / Abraham ever being in Egypt, being that the egyptians kept records of everything , meaning pictures / dates / tIME Etc Etc .
I found this link where it doesn't exactly explain any Moses/Hebrew/Egypt scenario, rather it tries to point out plausibility. Kind of 'if you squint and tilt your head this way you can just make it out' kind of thing. Interesting.

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:43 pm

spot;908427 wrote: In 458 BC Herodotus visited Egypt and talked to priests and officials. He wrote a long book about it. It's hard to believe he didn't actually go there, given how much detail he put into his books, but there's no records in Egypt of his visit either on the walls or in any records. Did Herodotus not go to Egypt either?

If it wasn't personal your wouldn't have started off with your childlish insult , I 've read some of your post towards other , and you play that same childlish game with them too . As if you have some type of real knowldge , What you type is from some website that agree with your little though that you have accept . There are 1000's of site to tell people what they want to here , But that doesn't make it true / facts . So your doing the same thing your saying other are doing Copying / Pasteing . Except you have those who doesn't agree with your or the one you don't bannd . . But hey if I have to go so be it . I'm not feeding your small mind .

Post by **spot** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:55 pm

When in doubt, reverse the truth and try to laugh. I've seen it before, I expect they teach it in Dr. Malachi Z. York's how-to-internet classes. You do have a shocking degree of similarity, all of you.

And no, I mentioned Herodotus because he came to mind, that's all. Would you like to show me where I copied the text from?

Would you like me to show you where you're copying all your reams of text from instead?

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:54 pm

spot;909234 wrote: When in doubt, reverse the truth and try to laugh. I've seen it before, I expect they teach it in Dr. Malachi Z. York's how-to-internet classes. You do have a shocking degree of similarity, all of you.

And no, I mentioned Herodotus because he came to mind, that's all. Would you like to show me where I copied the text from?

Would you like me to show you where you're copying all your reams of text from instead?

Yes Show Me Where I'm Geting My Out-formation From . Maybe You Have Learn Something From Me Beside That Water Don't Sillyness .

Post by **spot** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:01 pm

Daniyal;909270 wrote: Yes Show Me Where I'm Geting My Out-formation From .I'll be delighted. Everything copy/pasted here through your account from now on without any acknowledgement on your part of the author will be deleted and, just to keep the books balanced, I'll put a note into the thread of where you copied it from. We're not going back to the reams of copy/pasting we had last year, we learned our lesson that time. By all means post, just do it in your own words or quote with attribution.

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:11 pm

Accountable;909198 wrote: I found this link where it doesn't exactly explain any Moses/Hebrew/Egypt scenario, rather it tries to point out plausibility. Kind of 'if you squint and tilt your head this way you can just make it out' kind of thing. Interesting.

Is there any proof Of Jesus / Moses / Abraham ever being in Egypt, being that the egyptians kept records of everything , meaning pictures / dates / tIME Etc Etc . The Answer Is No . Don't Show Me Something That Some So-called Authors / Theologian / Religious Scholars Made Up To Back Up Your Bible Story's Keyword Here Story's . Everyone Knows The Egyptian Kept Records Of Everything So My Isn't Moses / Jesus / Abraham Mention Or Why Isn't Their Pictures One The Wall's Of Egypt With Moses Leading His People Out Egypt , It Not Their Because It Never Happen . You To Mean To Tell These Guys Where In Egypt And Your So-Called Authors / Theologian / Religious Scholars Can't Find Any Text / Pictures Of Them Being There Right Be-Real , We're Deal With Facts Here No Belief .

Post by **spot** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:17 pm

The simple and accurate answer is that the Egyptians didn't keep records of everything, of course. It's not feasible, it's not physically possible for them to have kept records of everything. Even if they did, only a small fraction of their records have survived to the current day. Even if they'd recorded it, the records can easily have been lost. Original lost records keep turning up continually in the Middle East, had you not noticed?

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:26 pm

spot;909274 wrote: I'll be delighted. Everything copy/pasted here through your account from now on without any acknowledgement on your part of the author will be deleted and, just to keep the books balanced, I'll put a note into the thread of where you copied it from. We're not going back to the reams of copy/pasting we had last year, we learned our lesson that time. By all means post, just do it in your own words or quote with attribution.

If you looking for me to makup things like you do , Well you might as well bannd me now , You have been following around like some school girl , Have Your Hate Blinded You Where I Have Shown You Where I Posted M.Z.York Name When I Used Is Information . Or Is It That Your So Hung Up On Your Self That You Think People Can't Rearch Things On Their Own , Or Is It That You Can't Deal With The Facts , Almost 80% Of Your Post Come From Some Website , Could It Be That Your The One Who Hasn't A Thought Of Your Own . Let See If Your Going Post Using Own Words Like Your Telling Me . Doubt You Will .

Post by **spot** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:27 pm

Daniyal;909285 wrote: Almost 80% Of Your Post Come From Some WebsiteYou do realize how utterly you could embarrass me off the Internet for ever if you just posted a few links to prove that, don't you?

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:35 pm

spot;909280 wrote: The simple and accurate answer is that the Egyptians didn't keep records of everything, of course. It's not feasible, it's not physically possible for them to have kept records of everything. Even if they did, only a small fraction of their records have survived to the current day. Even if they'd recorded it, the records can easily have been lost. Original lost records keep turning up continually in the Middle East, had you not noticed?

Coming up with Excuses Wont Get , You Mean To Tell Me You Have All The Story But The One That Can Prove The Existence Of These Guy , You Got Come Better Then That , Not To Worry They're Over There In Egypt Now Touching The Pictures To Look Other Than The Real Egyptian Maybe They'll Draw Them In To Back Up The Bible Story , So 50/ 70 Years From They Can Say See Look Their's Jesus / Moses / Abraham So The Story Must Be True LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Post by **spot** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:37 pm

Daniyal;909292 wrote: Coming up with Excuses Wont Get , You Mean To Tell Me You Have All The Story But The One That Can Prove The Existence Of These Guy , You Got Come Better Then That , Not To Worry They're Over There In Egypt Now Touching The Pictures To Look Other Than The Real Egyptian Maybe They'll Draw Them In To Back Up The Bible Story , So 50/ 70 Years From They Can Say See Look Their's Jesus / Moses / Abraham So The Story Must Be True LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

"Everyone Knows The Egyptian Kept Records Of Everything".

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:41 pm

spot;909288 wrote: You do realize how utterly you could embarrass me off the Internet for ever if you just posted a few links to prove that, don't you?

Bad Habits Are Hard To Brake You'll Do Again Rather I'm Here Or Not .And Everytime You Post A Website , And Not Use Your Own Words , My Point Will Be Made , Right , Time Will Tell . Enjoy You Day Have To Go To Class .

Omni_Skittles · Post by **Omni_Skittles** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:49 pm

Daniyal you asked a question you knew the answer for... and no matter what anyone says... you are going to mock their answer and have a holier then thou attitude about it. so i'm not even going to care to answer.

Post by **spot** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:52 pm

Daniyal;909297 wrote: Everytime You Post A Website , And Not Use Your Own Words , My Point Will Be Made.I quote things from other websites continually, with attribution (and usually a URL to show where the text came from). You, on the other hand, take other people's writings and post them here without attribution as though you'd written the material yourself. I don't do that, it's very bad form indeed.

Now, if you think I've used someone else's words anywhere and not attributed them to the original author, unmask me and I'll be forced off the Internet immediately by your exposure of my lies. How's that for a great deal? What would it cost you?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:10 pm

Daniyal;909279 wrote: Is there any proof Of Jesus / Moses / Abraham ever being in Egypt, being that the egyptians kept records of everything , meaning pictures / dates / tIME Etc Etc . The Answer Is No . Don't Show Me Something That Some So-called Authors / Theologian / Religious Scholars Made Up To Back Up Your Bible Story's Keyword Here Story's . Everyone Knows The Egyptian Kept Records Of Everything So My Isn't Moses / Jesus / Abraham Mention Or Why Isn't Their Pictures One The Wall's Of Egypt With Moses Leading His People Out Egypt , It Not Their Because It Never Happen . You To Mean To Tell These Guys Where In Egypt And Your So-Called Authors / Theologian / Religious Scholars Can't Find Any Text / Pictures Of Them Being There Right Be-Real , We're Deal With Facts Here No Belief .
Wow. I thought I'd have a conversation and you're spoiling for a fight. Ever heard the axiom 'it takes two to argue'?

Take a deep breath, Danny boy.

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:10 pm

spot;909304 wrote: I quote things from other websites continually, with attribution (and usually a URL to show where the text came from). You, on the other hand, take other people's writings and post them here without attribution as though you'd written the material yourself. I don't do that, it's very bad form indeed.

Now, if you think I've used someone else's words anywhere and not attributed them to the original author, unmask me and I'll be forced off the Internet immediately by your exposure of my lies. How's that for a great deal? What would it cost you?

Why waste Time you'll do it for me in time , Like Said In My Other Post Whenever I Use Something From Some Else Information I State Their Name , I Have No Problem With That . But Do You Do No , Certain Information You Will Not Allow / Accept Because It Doesn't Fall In Line With Your School Of Though , You Even Said Yourself You Bannd Some Of M.Z.York Followers Yes . If What They Was Posting Wasn't The Truth What Was There To Fear ? This Is A Discussion Form Yes . I Bet You Did The Same Thing You Did To Me , Insulting Them From The Start , Then You Gave Them A Warning And Then Have Them Bannd Yes . Wasn't That A Cowardly Way Out .

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:15 pm

Omni_Skittles;909303 wrote: Daniyal you asked a question you knew the answer for... and no matter what anyone says... you are going to mock their answer and have a holier then thou attitude about it. so i'm not even going to care to answer.

Your More Then Welcome To Answer Any Of My Post But If You Expect For Me To Agree To Something That Wrong Sorry Forget It . I Doubt You Would Agree To Something You Know Not True . Right . By The Way The Question Wasn't A Hard One .

Post by **spot** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:17 pm

It wasn't a cowardly anything, it was sanitary control. I did, as usual in these instances, try to keep him. It was only one poster, by the way, not several. What he was posting was obviously the truth, it was just lacking in all aesthetic attraction. I refer to the layout more than the content. Once you mess up the layout to the extent you guys mess it up, the message disappears. We both know that's deliberate - making the message easy to interpret would go against your self-satisfying sense of group cleverness. Who cares, frankly. If you want to be esoteric then go right ahead.

Daniyal wrote: Have Your Hate Blinded You Where I Have Shown You Where I Posted M.Z.York Name When I Used Is InformationThere's lots you've posted that you've not attributed. Are you seriously pretending that you wrote the first post in http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showt ... hp?t=38428 for example?

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:02 pm

spot;909363 wrote: It wasn't a cowardly anything, it was sanitary control. I did, as usual in these instances, try to keep him. It was only one poster, by the way, not several. What he was posting was obviously the truth, it was just lacking in all aesthetic attraction. I refer to the layout more than the content. Once you mess up the layout to the extent you guys mess it up, the message disappears. We both know that's deliberate - making the message easy to interpret would go against your self-satisfying sense of group cleverness. Who cares, frankly. If you want to be esoteric then go right ahead.

There's lots you've posted that you've not attributed. Are you seriously pretending that you wrote the first post in http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showt ... hp?t=38428 for example?

I Know Islam Very Well Unlike You . Overstand something if you can which I doubt Religion Is Not Hard To Overstand That Because 95 & Of People Don't Know The Language Their Religion Was Written And All They're Are Taught Is Salvation / Heaven Hell / Faith / Believe , Which Keep Them Closed Minded , Plus Each Sect Have A Diffrent Story To Tell . All Claming To Have The Truth .

Let Try Some Thing Ok ? Question For spot No Testimony / Salvation / Heaven Hell / Faith / Believe Ok .

Something Very Eazyyyyyyyy Ok . No-Website -Link's , Let See How Close You Get Ok .

Ques ; Can Anyone Else Die For Your Sins ?

Ques ; If Jesus Died For Man's Sins Then Why Are People Sill Sinning ?

Post by **spot** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:14 pm

Daniyal;909382 wrote: Ques ; Can Anyone Else Die For Your Sins ?

Ques ; If Jesus Died For Man's Sins Then Why Are People Sill Sinning ?

Can Anyone Else Die For Your Sins? In a salvational sense, to bring me into righteousness with God? Of course not. That's a bit of Christian doctrine, it assumes that I have intrinsic sin to start with, it assumes that a perfected state exists and that if there is I'm incapable of attaining it myself, it assumes there's a God in some form which a literalist Christian would recognise as God. None of those assumptions are valid.

That rather invalidates question two. There was never any person who did all the things ascribed to Jesus in the New Testament. There may have been several people who each did some of the things described there, I suspect there were but I'd by no means put any faith in that, the New Testament could just as easily be a parable about a fictional character.

I'm not still sinning. To say I'm still sinning implies that there's a God who defines a standard against which my behaviour falls into a category He labels sinful. I do what I do. There is no judgement from outside of yourself. There may be nothing at all outside of yourself. Note the change from "me" to "you" in this paragraph though, it's the only way in which I can keep that statement accurate. I can say it about you but I can't say it about me, because it's you who's reading it.

"Let See How Close You Get Ok" implies you possess the only one genuine truth, by the way. That sounds dreadfully like Belief from where I'm sitting.

Before you ask, yes I am a Christian.

Omni_Skittles · Post by **Omni_Skittles** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:25 pm

Daniyal;909360 wrote: Your More Then Welcome To Answer Any Of My Post But If You Expect For Me To Agree To Something That Wrong Sorry Forget It . I Doubt You Would Agree To Something You Know Not True . Right . By The Way The Question Wasn't A Hard One .I never said it was a hard question... my issue is that you don't really care.

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:29 pm

Omni_Skittles;909417 wrote: I never said it was a hard question... my issue is that you don't really care.

:driving:

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:51 pm

spot;909385 wrote: Can Anyone Else Die For Your Sins? In a salvational sense, to bring me into righteousness with God? Of course not. That's a bit of Christian doctrine, it assumes that I have intrinsic sin to start with, it assumes that a perfected state exists and that if there is I'm incapable of attaining it myself, it assumes there's a God in some form which a literalist Christian would recognise as God. None of those assumptions are valid.

That rather invalidates question two. There was never any person who did all the things ascribed to Jesus in the New Testament. There may have been several people who each did some of the things described there, I suspect there were but I'd by no means put any faith in that, the New Testament could just as easily be a parable about a fictional character.

I'm not still sinning. To say I'm still sinning implies that there's a God who defines a standard against which my behaviour falls into a category He labels sinful. I do what I do. There is no judgement from outside of yourself. There may be nothing at all outside of yourself. Note the change from "me" to "you" in this paragraph though, it's the only way in which I can keep that statement accurate. I can say it about you but I can't say it about me, because it's you who's reading it.

"Let See How Close You Get Ok" implies you possess the only one genuine truth, by the way. That sounds dreadfully like Belief from where I'm sitting.

Before you ask, yes I am a Christian.

I Knew You Were A Christian Because They Always Give Testimony And Never Back Anything Up With Chapter Or Verses . Testimony First Then They'll Sent You To Their Website Like You Do . By The Way Yashu'a Never Called Himself A Christian That's The Deceover Paul's Teaching Not His . Whould you Like To Try Again Maybe One Of Your Buddy's Can Help You Out , Or Maybe Your Minister Has The Answer , Oh Thats Right Your Not Allow To Question Your Minister Only Believe And Not Question His Teaching . Food For Though Can Not Be Proven By Anyone Other The One Who Give Them ,

According To The Scriptures Not According To Your You Do Know Your Own Bible Yes ?

Ques ; Can Anyone Else Die For Your Sins ?

Ques ; If Jesus Died For Man's Sins Then Why Are People Sill Sinning ?

Post by **spot** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:35 am

Daniyal;909450 wrote: According To The Scriptures Not According To Your You Do Know Your Own Bible Yes ?

Ques ; Can Anyone Else Die For Your Sins ?

Ques ; If Jesus Died For Man's Sins Then Why Are People Sill Sinning ?
Ah - it's a bible question! I do apologize, you should have said to start with. I thought perhaps you were raising a matter of Christin dogma or theology rather than biblical quotations. Discussing a question isn't giving testimony, you know. It's discussing a question.

We have a problem with language beyond minor issues like that though, in particular "die" in the context of Jesus and sin. Does "die" mean to expire naturally, to be put to death, to be refused salvation, to go to heaven? It's used in the bible with all those meanings. When you look for "sin" next to "die" then being put to death crops up quite often in the Old Testament, while gaining or rejecting salvation is the usual association in the New Testament. If I remember, you Malachi York fellows reject most of the New Testament, is that right? You're anti-Pauline to a remarkable degree, you just fling out New Testament teaching as corrupt and wrong. So, you're left with the direct sayings of Jesus? Are we allowed those? Or you're left with the Law which Jesus said he wasn't diminishing by one jot or tittle.

The Law was entirely contradictory on whether other people would die for your sin. Declaring that they would, you have The Ten Commandments, no less, with God declaring that "I, the Lord your God, am a God who will not give his honour to another; and I will send punishment on the children for the wrongdoing of their fathers, to the third and fourth generation of my haters" in Exodus 20:5, and "He will not let wrongdoers go free, but will send punishment on children for the sins of their fathers, and on their children's children to the third and fourth generation" in Exodus 34:7. Declaring that they wouldn't you have Ezekiel 18:20: "The soul which does sin will be put to death: the son will not be made responsible for the evil-doing of the father, or the father for the evil-doing of the son; the righteousness of the upright will be on himself, and the evil-doing of the evil-doer on himself".

I think we need to agree on the bible position of the first question before we can take the result of that forward into considering the second. How are we doing so far? Does God sending punishment of a sin onto a new generation involve their death? Do they die as a result of the visitation, like the first-born in Egypt did?

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:08 pm

spot;909715 wrote: Ah - it's a bible question! I do apologize, you should have said to start with. I thought perhaps you were raising a matter of Christin dogma or theology rather than biblical quotations. Discussing a question isn't giving testimony, you know. It's discussing a question.

We have a problem with language beyond minor issues like that though, in particular "die" in the context of Jesus and sin. Does "die" mean to expire naturally, to be put to death, to be refused salvation, to go to heaven? It's used in the bible with all those meanings. When you look for "sin" next to "die" then being put to death crops up quite often in the Old Testament, while gaining or rejecting salvation is the usual association in the New Testament. If I remember, you Malachi York fellows reject most of the New Testament, is that right? You're anti-Pauline to a remarkable degree, you just fling out New Testament teaching as corrupt and wrong. So, you're left with the direct sayings of Jesus? Are we allowed those? Or you're left with the Law which Jesus said he wasn't diminishing by one jot or tittle.

The Law was entirely contradictory on whether other people would die for your sin. Declaring that they would, you have The Ten Commandments, no less, with God declaring that "I, the Lord your God, am a God who will not give his honour to another; and I will send punishment on the children for the wrongdoing of their fathers, to the third and fourth generation of my haters" in Exodus 20:5, and "He will not let wrongdoers go free, but will send punishment on children for the sins of their fathers, and on their children's children to the third and fourth generation" in Exodus 34:7. Declaring that they wouldn't you have Ezekiel 18:20: "The soul which does sin will be put to death: the son will not be made responsible for the evil-doing of the father, or the father for the evil-doing of the son; the righteousness of the upright will be on himself, and the evil-doing of the evil-doer on himself".

I think we need to agree on the bible position of the first question before we can take the result of that forward into considering the second. How are we doing so far? Does God sending punishment of a sin onto a new generation involve their death? Do they die as a result of the visitation, like the first-born in Egypt did?

Thank Your For Taking Your Time For Answering My Question

Ques ; Can Anyone Else Die For Your Sins ?

Ans ; Most Christians Will Answer '' Yes , Jesus Died On The Cross For Our Sins Almost 2,000 Years Ago . However , This Is Just Not True , I'm Sorry , But Once Again You Have Been Lied To . It's A Nice Thought That A Man Name '' Jesus '' Came 2,000 Years Ago To Save '' The Whole World '' And To '' Cleanse You Of Your Sins.

Ques ; If Jesus Died For Man's Sins , Then Why Are People Still Sinning ?

Ans ; Most Christians Can't Answer This Question Because According To The Old Testament , In The Laws That Jesus Himself Followed ,

If Jesus Is The Son Of God And The Son Of A Man As Found In John 8 ; 28 Then Why Do You Teach That Jesus Died For The World's Sins , As Found In John 1 ; 29 , Where It Says , And I Quote '' The Next Day John Seeth Jesus Coming Unto Him , And Saith , Behold The Lamb Of God , Which Taketh Away The Sin Of The World ;. When According To Deuteronomy 24 ; 16 God Commanded That ''.... Every Man Shall Be Put To Death For His Own Sin ? Most Christian Can't Answer This Question .

According To Deuteronomy 24 ; 16 , The Father's Shall Not Be Put To Death For The Children And Neither The Children For The Father , But Everyone For Their Own Sins .

Deuteronomy 24 ; 16

The fathers shall not be put to death for the children , Neither shall the children be put to death for the father ; ;....... Then This Commandment Was Repeated Through The Bible .

2Chonicles 25 ; 4

'But he slew not their children , But did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses , , Saying , The father shall not die for the children , Neither shall the children die for the fathers , But .

Ezekiel 18 ; 4

Behold , All souls are mine ; As the soul of the father , So also

Ezekiel 18 ; 20

The Soul That Sinneth , It Shall Die , The Son Shall Not Bear The Iniquity Of The Father , Neither Shall The Father Bear The Iniquity Of The Son ; The Righteousness Of The Righteous Shall Be Uopn Him . And The Wickedness Of The Wicked Shall Be Upon Him .

Now Some Christian Will Try To Say That Jesus Was Not A Regular Man . He Was More Than Just Man . However According To ( Your Bible , Jesus Was Reduced To A Man When He Was Starved , Then Scourged Meaning '' Whipped '' In John 19 ; 1 ) . He Was Reduced To A Man . So On The Cross He Would Have Been Dying As A Man . And According To John 8 ; 28

John 8 ; 28

Then said Jesus unto them , When ye have lefted up , Then shall ye know that I am he , And that I do nothing of myself ; But as my father hath taught me , I speak these things ,

The Greek Word Used For '' Man '' Is Meaning '' Human , Common To An , Mankind , After The Manner Of Men '' .

According To Christian Belief , Jesus Purpose For Coming Into The World Was To Die On The Cross For The World's Sin, And His Job Was Finished After He Died On The Cross In John 19 ; 30 Where It Says And I Quote In Part ;... It Is Finished .... , Then Explain Why Before He Died On The Cross In John 17 ; 4 He Says And I Quote In Part ''... I Have Finished The Work Which Thou Gavest Me To Do. So Christian Wont Be Able To Answer This Question.

Spot Ah - it's a bible question! I do apologize, you should have said to start with. I thought perhaps you were raising a matter of Christin dogma or theology rather than biblical quotations. Discussing a question isn't giving testimony, you know. It's discussing a question.

My Answer Sure LOLOLOL b : to disappear or subside gradually -- often used with away, down, or out

Spot If I remember, you Malachi York fellows reject most of the New Testament, is that right?

My Answer Your Wrong Dr M.Z.York Use The Old / New Testament How Else Would Be Able To Give You The Facts , Anyway This Way Christians Can't Say He's Making Things Up Ok .

Spot You're anti-Pauline to a remarkable degree, you just fling out New Testament teaching as corrupt and wrong. So, you're left with the direct sayings of Jesus? Are we allowed those? Or you're left with the Law which Jesus said he wasn't diminishing by one jot or tittle.

My Answer Paul Is The Anti-Christ Of The Christian Bible . Plus He Went Against The Teaching Of Jesus , If You Wish I Can Walk You Though It Step By Step . By The Way There Were 613 Commandments .

Spot I think we need to agree on the bible position of the first question before we can take the result of that forward into considering the second. How are we doing so far? Does God sending punishment of a sin onto a new generation involve their death? ......Do they die as a result of the visitation, like the first-born in Egypt did?

My Answer Deuteronomy 24 ; 16 , According To The Scriptures Jesus Was Sent To Egypt , But There Was No Records To Prove That Jesus , Moses , Abraham , Ever Being In Egypt , Other Then So-Called Christian Authors / Theologian / Religous Scholars Created In There So-called Document / Books Etc To Back Up They Story . By The Way The Verses You Given Me Help Prove My Point Thankyou . I Love How You Christian Add Your ( Testimony And Salvation To Simple Question But Hey Its Cool , It Part Of The Mind Control Taught By Your Minister Pasture Etc ) .

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:48 pm

Question For

What Does The Word Lawiyaathan ( Leviathan ) According The Scriptures ?

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:24 pm

Why do people believe that Paul was a disciple ?

Saul , Shaool , Paul was neither a disciple , follower , nor a supporter of Yashu'a Ha Mashiakh , Isa Al Masih , Jesus the Messiah '' Christ '' . As a matter of fact , Saul , Shaool , Paul never met Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus directly or indirectly . However by way of an acclaimed vision , he has been able to swallow the whole world up in his newfound version of Christianity , which is really Paulism - the doctrine of the Anti -Christ . Saul , Shaool , Paul is the false prophet that Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus mentioned in ...

Matthew 7 ; 15 , Where he states , '' Beware of false prophets , which come to you in sheep's clothing , but inwardly they are ravening wolves ?

( Is this Black Man's Christianity or White Man's Christianity ? The followers of Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus were called Messiahites , or Messehans , because he was called the Messiah first ...

John 1 ; 41 , And it states ; 'He First Findeth His Own Brother Simon , And Saith Unto Him , We Have Found The Messias , Which Is , Being Interpreted , The Christ , ''

This is why we are called Messiahites meaning '' Followers Of The Messiah '' , In The Noble's Koran 61 ; 14 , And I Quote ; O you , those who are faithful ! Be Ansaar ' Aiders ' of The Source , Allah ( be Ansarullah ) as Yashu'a Ibnu - Adopted Son of Miriam said to his Al Hawaariyyuwn - Disciples , ( those dressed in white robes ) ; Who among you , are Ansaariy '' My Aiders ' ( Ansars ) towards Allah ? His Hawaariyyin -- Disciples ' ( which were dressed in white robes ) said '' We are The Source , Allah's Ansaar - Aiders ' , so some of the Taa-ifat - Parts ' ( the groups of the children of Israel , ( the tribe of Judah ) were faithful and a Taa'ifah - Part ( of Israel / Jacob ) Kafarat - 'Were Ones Who Concealed That Which They , ( The Pharisees ) , Knew To Be The Facts ; so We , ([ We Not He ] the Eloheem , Anunnaqi's ) assisted those who had faith , ( the tribe of Judah ) Alaa - On ( Against ) their enemies , ( the Pharisees ) ; so they became Zaahiriyn -- Backed Up , ( the only tribe to be saved ) .

We are called Ansaeullah '' God's helpers '' or Hawaariyuwna '' Those pure Black ones dressed in white robes '' . Ansaeullah as Ansars is what we were called . We were also known as Ansar Sufi Mystic Helpers . We were always believer or knowers of Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus in Hebrew , Isa in Syritic , and Jesus Greek / Latin . We were and are for him . The Ansaeullah Community were Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ' followers , The Nubian ( Egyptians ) Islamic ( Peaceful ) Hebrews ( Israelites ) Were Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus followers . Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus was in Egipt as a child .

Matthew 2 ; 13 , And I Quote ; And when they were departed behold , the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream , saying Arise , and Take the young child and his mother , and flee into Egypt , and be thou there until I bring thee word ; for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him .

Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus said blessed are the peacemakers for they will be the children of God ( Theos , Elohyeem ) Matthew 5 ; 9 , And I Quote ; Blessed are the peacemaker for they shall be called the children of God .

And Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus is of the Tribe of Judah Israelite Hebrew . When you LQQk up the word '' Christians '' plural you find that it is only mentioned once in the once in the entire Holy Bible about Saul , Shaool , Paul . And the word '' Christian '' singular is mentioned only twice , again with Saul , Shaool , Paul , and the word Christianity '' is never mentioned at all in The Whole Bible .

In Acts 11 ; 26 , It states '' And when he had found him , he brought him unto Antioch . And it came to pass , that a whole year they assembled themselves with the Church , and taught much people . And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch .

And in Acts 26 ; 28 , It states , Then Agrippa said unto Paul , Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian .''

See , in this verse Saul , Shaool , Paul is trying to persuade Agrippa into being a Christian . Saul , Shaool , Paul converts people to Christianity . Agrippa meaning '' Hero - Like '' is the grandson of Herod the Great , Saul , Shaool , Paul was trying to convert the grandson of Herod the Great , into a Christian , Saul , Shaool , Paul in the one who first used the term Christian . He is the one who establishes the word Christian knowing that it comes from the Sanshrit word Krishna a Hindu God , Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus never called himself a Christian .

The Next time the word Christian comes up in The Holy Bible 1Peter 4 ; 16 , Where it states ; But If One Suffers As A Christian , Let Him Not Be Ashamed . But Let Him Glorify God ( Theos , Elohyeem ) Because Of This ,

When you look up the Greek word for Christian in 1Peter 4 ; 16 , it is , and is interpreted as a follower of Christ . But we know that these are the followers of Saul , Shaool , Paul . When you find the word '' Christians '' in Act 11 ; 26 , as mentioned above , Where the word Antioch is used , they are saying Syria because Antioch is Syria founded by Seleucus Nicator , who is one of the successors of Alexander around 300 B.C. in memory of his father Antiouchus . In this verse Act 11 ; 26 they have '' Church '' not Synagogue ,

Now read this closely because this is important . They assembled with a church before they were called Christians . So whatever Religion was in Antioch , those people called their building structures , '' Churches '' . And later the people that assembled with them picked up the Term Christian and if you read around that quote . you will find out that this is referring to Saul , Shaool , Paul and his followers .

In John 9 ; 22 , And I Quote ; These words spake his parents , because they feared the Jews ; For the Jews had agreed already , that if any man did confess that he was Christ he should be put out of the synagogue .

Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus said that the Judeans '' Jews '' will be cast out of the Synagogue . They got together to destroy the Synagogue , and they took us Nubians / Blacks the true Tribe of Israel Hebrews out of the Synagogue ..

John 16 ; 2 , And I Quote ; They shall put you out of the synagogues yea , the time cometh that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service .

( And Place Us In The Church , Called Us Negroids ) Acts 13 , 1 , And I Quote ; Now there were in the Church that was at Antioch certain Prophets and Teacher as Barnabas , and Simeon that was called Niger , and Lucius of Cyrene , and Manaen , which had been brought up with Herod the Tetrarch and Saul .

Also gave us their Version of our way of life as a religion , '' Christianity '' and even gave us the image of the beast as Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus . It is difficult for me to Convince the Nubians / Blacks / Negrorid that they are not the Goyim or Akum the Gentile , but that they are in fact The Lost Seed Of The House Of Israel , Of The Tribe Of Judah ...

2Kings 17 ; 6 , And Quote ; In the ninth year of Hoshea the king of Assyria took Samaria , and carried Israel away into Assyria , and placed them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan , and in the cities of the Medes .

And they took the Nubians / Blacks out of Synagogues and put us in the word Church which means assembly . Then made a law , unlawful , As to say it is unlawful for a group of people arrested for . What a Devil ! They took us away from the word Hebrews and made us call ourselves Christians like they did in Antioch .

After Blatantly Going Against The Laws That Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Followed , How Could Saul , Shaool , Paul Still Consider Himself A Disciple ?

As usual , Saul , Shaool , Paul continued to prove himself a '' Liar '' . In none of the other verse will you find that Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus spoke to him in the Hebrew tongue ! However , in

Acts 26 ; 16 , And I Quote ; But rise , and stand upon thy feet ; for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose , to make thee a Minister and a Witness both of these things which thou hast seen , and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee .

Saul , Shaool , Paul says that Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus appeared to him to make him a minister . Maybe , this is why Saul , Shaool , Paul thought he was supposed to be a disciple or in his own words in ( Romans 1 ; 1 , An '' Aposle ''

Romans 1 ; 1 , And I Quote ; Paul , a servant of Jesus Christ called to be an Apostle separated unto the Gospel of God .

The Holy Bible - Acts 26 ; 16 ( with Greek script ) And I Quote ; But rise , and stand upon thy feet ; for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose , to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen , and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee ;

The Holy Bible - Acts 26 ; 17 - 18 tell you that the Gentiles were under the power of Satan according to Saul , Shaool , Paul's own vision .

The Holy Bible - Acts 26 ; 17 - 18 , And I Quote ; ''Delivering thee from the people ,,and from the Gentiles , unto whom now I send thee , To open their eyes , and to turn them from darkness to light , and from the power of Satan unto God , that they may receive forgiveness of sins , and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me , ''

Now let's look at the minister in Aramic / Hebrew , since Saul , Shaool , Paul said

In Greek -- Minister = [ Huperetes ] An under-qarsman , I.E. ( Gen ) subordinate ( Assistant , sexton , constable ); --- Minister , Officer , Servant ; From the prim , Root [ Hupo ] meaning under ( Of place [ Beneath ] . Or with verbs [ The agency or means , through ] ; Of inferior position or condition , And specially covertly or moderately .

In Aramic Hebrew -- Minister = [ Sharath ] A prim , Root , To attend as a menial or worshiper ; Figurative ; To contribute to ; Minister ( Unto ) , ( Do ) serve , Wait on .

In Syretic Arabic --- Minister = [ Khaadim ] Meaning a servant , A waiter Check out Acts 26 ; 16 , For the word , And I Quote ; But rise , and stand upon thy feet ; for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose , to make thee a Minister and a Witness both of these things which thou hast seen , and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee ,

Saul , Shaool , Paul took this word to mean '' Disciple '' . How ? He was fluent in the Aramic / Hebrew Language according to Acts 21 ; 40 , And I Quote ; And when he had given him liense , Paul stood on the stairs , and beckoned with the hand unto the people . And when there was made a great silence , he spake unto them in the Hebrew Tongue saying . Also Read . Acts 22 ; 2 , And I Quote ; And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew Tongue to them they kept the more silence ; and he saith .

So there's no way he could have mistaken the two words . He Did It On Purpose !!

The word Minister does not refer to '' Apostle '' or Disciple '' . Saul , Shaool , Paul was not am Apostle or Disciple According To The Definition Of The Words !!

In Syritic Arabic , Aramic Hebrew , Roman , Latin and Ionia Greek all share the same definition for Disciple , as a student ;

In Syretic Arabic ---- Disciple = Tilmeeth - Literally meaning young student

In Aramic Hebrew --- Disciple = Limmuwd or Limmud meaning instructed , disciple , learned from the root [ Lamad ] meaning '' to goad , to teach .

In Greek --- Disciple = Mathetes meaning learner ( pupil , disciple ) from Manthano or ( Manuanq ) [ Matheo ] meaning to learn ( in any way )

The same three language also share the same definitions for the word Apostle .

In Syretic Arabic --- Apostle = Rasool meaning '' one sent , messenger , ''

In Aramic Hebrew --- Apostle = Bashar - a prim , root '' to be fesh , announce ( glad news ) ; messenger '' .

Tsavah - tsaw - vaw ' a primitive root ; ( intensively ) to constitute , enjoin ; -- appoint , ( for - ) bid , ( give a ) charge , ( give a , give in , send with ) command ( - er , - ment ) , send a messenger , put , ( set ) in order .

Mal'ak - mal - awk ' from an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy ; a messenger , specifically , of God , i.e. an angel ( also a prophet , priest or teacher ; -- ambassador , angel , king , messenger .

Nagad -- naw - gad ' a primitive root ; properly , to front , i . e . stand boldly out opposite ; by implication ( causatively ) , to manifest ; figuratively , to announce ( always by word of mouth to one present ) ; specifically , to expose , predict . explain , praise ; --- bewray , X certainly . certify , declare ( - ing ) , denounce , expound , X fully , messenger , plainly , profess , rehearse , report , shew ( forth ) , speak , X surely , tell , utter .

Tsiyr - tseer a hinge ( as pressed in turning ) ; also a throe ( as a phy s . or mental pressure ) ; also a hearald or errand - doer ( as constrained by the principal ) ; --- ambassador , hinge , messenger , pain , pang , sorrow .

Apostolos - ''Ambassador , messenger , envoy , one who represent the sender '' .

As you can see there is definitely a distinction between the two words in three languages , So we can agree that Saul , Shaool , Paul fits neither definition [ in all three languages ] !!! Whether he claimed the position or not , he couldn't have been an apostle without being a disciple first and Saul , Shaool , Paul knew it !!

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:37 pm

Daniyal:-6

You are playing word games. There are other things to be considered as well and words is one of the least of them.

Shalom

Ted:-6

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:11 pm

Ted;912472 wrote: Daniyal:-6

You are playing word games. There are other things to be considered as well and words is one of the least of them.

Shalom

Ted:-6

Your More Then Welcome Try Disprove Any Of The Above If You Wish . Words Games Righttttttttttttttttttt LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:22 pm

Daniyal:-6

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Shalom

Ted:-6

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:34 pm

Daniyal:-6

Without divulging any secrets like name or location tell us something about yourself. I truly think it would interesting.

Shalom

Ted:-6

Post by **spot** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:57 am

Daniyal;910096 wrote: Spot If I remember, you Malachi York fellows reject most of the New Testament, is that right?

My Answer Your Wrong Dr M.Z.York Use The Old / New Testament How Else Would Be Able To Give You The Facts , Anyway This Way Christians Can't Say He's Making Things Up Ok .

Spot You're anti-Pauline to a remarkable degree, you just fling out New Testament teaching as corrupt and wrong. So, you're left with the direct sayings of Jesus? Are we allowed those? Or you're left with the Law which Jesus said he wasn't diminishing by one jot or tittle.

My Answer Paul Is The Anti-Christ Of The Christian Bible .
It always comes down to what the words mean, every time. "you Malachi York fellows reject most of the New Testament" uses reject as in "reject the truth of", not "won't quote from".

You reject the truth of what Paul writes because he's "The Anti-Christ Of The Christian Bible" and an Anti-Christ presumably doesn't write the truth. Paul wrote most of the New Testament.

So you Malachi York fellows reject the truth of most of the New Testament. It's a simple enough fact. The only reason I asked was to work out which meaning of "die" you were concentrating on - die to sin (which doesn't involve dying at all), die without salvation, or "Blessed are they which die in the Lord" which is, after all, traditionally accounted eternal life and not death in the slightest. Dying's a tricky business in the New Testament, it's so much easier under the vengeful eye of the Old Testament God.

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:07 pm

Have you ever sat down and wondered , Is There '' Really '' A God ? This is A question that many people dare not to ask due to fear . And when you do gain enough courage to ask , Your Imaams , Rabbis , Kohanes , Pastors , Shaykhs , Ministers . Monsignors ,

Bishops , Learnts Men . Clergymen , And the likes , All answer by saying '' Of course , Just LQQk around you , Can't you see the works of God? Yet , When they say '' LQQk around , '' They are talking about flowers and trees ; Things of '' Nature , '' But what about The

Tornadoes , And Earthquakes , And Floods and Hurricanes that are Taking The Lives Of Millions Of People ? Aren't They '' Things Of Nature '' As Well ? What about the Big Picture ? What about all of the things that are going on in the world once you step pass all the pretty

flowers ? You and The Reverend Both Know , That Is Not A Reality And That You Can't Stand Behind Those Flowers All Day Admiring It's Beauty . I say these so-called Ministers Of Truth , Yes LQQk At The Word Around Us . It Is In Total Chaos , Let's address the

conditions of the world and why the world is in The Bad State That It Is In . With All Of Their Preaching , Khutbahs And Sermons From Friday To Sunday . Never Onces Do They Address The Daily Conditions Of The World ; The Mistakes In Creation , The Misfits ,

The Deformed , And The Criminally Insane , Can You Please Explain To Me Why People Are Dying Everyday ? Why There Are Diseases Such As Ebola , Dengue Fever , AIDS ( Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome ) , Cancer , Leukemia , Etc ?

There Are More Disease Than There Are Cures . Why ? Why Are Children Born Without Vital Organs ? And If They Survive , They Go On A List Waiting For Another Child To Die So That They Can Take Their Organ . This Is A Cruel Process . Why Are There Wars Which Are

Usually Over Territory And Power ? Why Is There Such A Thing As Power , Which Leads To Corruption And Greed ? Why Won't The Creator Of All Of This Just Change All The Evils Of The World By Simply Waving The Same . '' Hand '' That He Used To Create This World And

Wrote The 10 Commandment With ( Exodus 34 ; 1 ) ? And I Could Go On With The Questions That Your Teachers Will Never Answer . They Try To Stop You By Making You Feel Guilty By Saying , '' Don't Question God , That's Blasphemy !

These Are Some Of The Questions Preachers , Rabbis , Kohanes , Teachers . And Imaams Don't Want You To Ask ;

* Who is God ?

* Are the mansions in heaven that The Righteous are to live in Similar to those here on Earth ? ( John 14 ; 2 ) .

* Just exactly how were The Sons Of God Able To Conceive Children With The Daughters Of Men ? ( Genesis 6 ; 1-4 ) .

* Was the parting of The Red Sea A Miracls from God or A Scientiffic Feat ? ( Exodus 14 ; 16 , 21 ) .

* According To Christianity , If Jesus was destined to die at 33 Years Old , Why Was He Running For His Lif ?

* If The Egyptians Were So Bad , Why Did Good Order Joseph To Take Jesus And Mary To Egypt ? Matthew 2 ; 13 .

* Who were the people that Cain was afraid would kill him . If No One Else Was In The Planet Other Than His Mother , Father And Himself ? ( Genesis 4 ; 14 ) .

* Why Would God Defend Cain After He Murdered His Brother ( Genesis 4 ; 15 ) .

* Why Did God Have To Ask The Devil Of His Whereabouts If He Is The All - Knowing ? ( Job 1; 7 ) .

* Who Are The Sons Of God Spoken About In Genesis 6 ; 2 , And Genesis 6 ; 4 If Jesus Was The Only Begotten Son Of God ( John 3 ; 16 ) .

* Why Is There A Surah ( Chapter ) In The Koran For Mary Mother Of Jesus And Not For Amina Mother Of Muhammad ? ( Koran Chapter 19 ) .

* Why Is Allah Allowing Muslims To Be Found Guilty In Christian Courts In America ?

* If God Love The World So Much Why Didn't He Come Himself Instead Of Sending His Only Begotten Son ( John 3 ; 16 ) .

* If Jesus Died For Our Sins , Why Are Humans Still Sinning ? ( 1Corinthians 15 ; 3 ) .

These are just some of the many question that none of These Religions Namely Christianity , Judaism And Islam , Don't Want You To Ask . The Question are endless because the whole Christian , Islamic And Judaic Faith , Doesn't Many Any Sense , They want you to totally

ignore Scientific and Archaeological Facts And Data . They want you to continue following . Them blindly while New Planets outside of This Solar System are being discovered everyday and with water , A source of life . As A matter fact , Science is just catching up with me ,

Because that is something that I have been telling you about for years . The Bible and Koran are both over A Thousand Years Old . The information that is in these Two Books were good for the people of that time . Certain books of The Bible such as Psalms and Proverbs are

good for morals , However , When it comes To Science , The Bible nor The Koran stands A chance . Islam Is Nice As A Way Of Life , The Disciplines For The Uncivilized And Dietary Laws For Gluttons , Etc , Are Good , But It Stops There . The Reason Why The Bible And

The Koran Are Able To Be Dissected Is Because Everything Is Left Unexplained . These Is No Logical Reason Of How Mary ( The Mother Of Jesus ) Conceived A Male Child All By Herself According To Religion There Is No Logical Reason Why Your God Had To Perform

Magic Tricks To Win The Favor Of The Christian Of Israel . There Is No Logical Reason Why Allah Has To Threaten You With Hell And Tell His Followers To Kill People Who Oppose Him In Order For You To Have Faith In Him . Don't You See This Is Not God ? THIS IS JIMMY SWAGGART !

You Mean To Tell Me That Your God Can't Handle A Regular Person's Question ??? Are You Saying That When I Ask A Question About God And His Book, He / She Is Sitting In Heaven On His Or Her Throne Mad ??? Well , That Is Exactly What Your Are Saying .

And In That Statement , You Are Also Confessing That Your God Is Not Really The God That You Have Made Him / Her Out To Be . Which Would Lead Back To Another Question ; If Questioning God Is Wrong , Why Does God Allow The Thought Of The Question To Enter Your Mind ???

Why Didn't He Or She Simply Make Everything So That He Would Have To Question His Godliness ??? . NeedlessTo Say , Your Reverends Don't Have Any Answers So They Blame '' The Devil '' . To The Muslims , He Is Called '' Shaytaan

To The Jews , He Is Called Hasatan , The Christians Call Him Satan , The Catholics Call Him '' Diablo '' ( Diablo ) And The Greek Call Him '' Satanas '' . So , If The Devil Is To Blame For All Of The Evils That Are Taking Place In The World , Then Those Natural

Phenomenon's Such As Tornadoes , Hurricanes , Earthquakes , Avalanches And Wars , Drugs , Drug Use , And And Diseases , That Are Taking The Lives Of Thousands , Are The Works Of The Devil ???? Or Are You Saying That God Is In Control Of The '' Good Things Of

Nature --- The Flowers --- And The Devil Is In Control Of The Bad Things Of Nature --- The Earthquakes --- Giving The Devil An Equal Amount Of Power As God ? And Remember According To You There Is None Equal To God , Or As The Muslims Would Say ; La Illaha Illa Allah Wahdahu La Shrika Lahu Which They Translate As '' There Is No God But God , No Partners Has He ;

El Holy Qur'aan 37 ; 35 , And I Quote ; Surely they were big-chested , ( pouting with pride ) , when they were told that '' No ILAAHA ( ALLAHS ) ' Sources would exist except by way of The Source , Allah ,

El Holy Qur'aan 6 ; 163 , And I Quote ; No Shariyka ' Associates ' has He ( He Not We ) , and by that Amartu ' I was commanded , and I , ( Muhammad ) am the Awwalu '' First of Al Muslimiyna '' The Muslims ( amongst you . ) .

Christianity Exposed

To Be CONTINUE In Next Post

Hideing Down There I see LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Post by **spot** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:12 pm

http://de-conversion.org/forum/viewthre ... ead_id=124

Everytime You Post A Website , And Not Use Your Own Words , My Point Will Be Made

Almost 80% Of Your Post Come From Some Website , Could It Be That Your The One Who Hasn't A Thought Of Your Own .

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:35 pm

spot;913339 wrote: http://de-conversion.org/forum/viewthre ... ead_id=124

Everytime You Post A Website , And Not Use Your Own Words , My Point Will Be Made

Almost 80% Of Your Post Come From Some Website , Could It Be That Your The One Who Hasn't A Thought Of Your Own .

Be My Guess These Are The Teaching Of M.Z.York Which Is My Teacher As You Already Know . Let's See If ANY Of Your Teacher Can Disprove Any Of The Above .

Guess What You Can Use Any Body Words / Minister / Websites , Being That Where You Learn About Your God Yes . It's Only Fair . Mean Time People Will Learn What Their By - Bill Really Saying . Later Time For Class :driving:

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:38 pm

What Does The Term '' New Testament '' Mean ?

Ans ; HowEver , In Different Translations Of The Bible When You LQQk At Quotes, Such As In Luke 22 ; 20 Where It Says '' New Tesatament '' You Will Find The Word '' New Conenant '' Instead , The Greek Word '' New Testament '' You Will Find The Word '' New Covenant '' The Greek Word Translated As '' Testament '' In Luke 22 ; 20 . Of The King James Version Of The Bibles Is Translated As '' Covenant '' In The New International And The Revised Standard Version Of The Bible , HowEver , The Greek WordUsed In Both Cases Is Diatheke .

In This QuoteThe Greek Word In These Quote The Greek

Diatheke Is Diatheke Word Is

Translated As Testament , Translated As Covenant

Luke 22 ; 20 Luke 22; 20

Like wise Also The Cup After In The Same Way After The

Supper Saying This Cup Is The Supper He Took The Cup .

New Testament In My Blood Saying This Cup Is The New

Which Is Shed For You Covenant In My Blood , Which

King Jame Version Is Poured Out For You

New International Version

Luke 22 ; 20

And Likewise The Cup After

Supper Saying , This Cup Which

Is Poured Out For You Is The

New Convenant In My Blood

Revised Standard Version

Also In Jeremiah 31 ; 31 - 32 They Interpret The New Covenant To Mean '' New Testament As You Can See Christian Define '' Testament '' As '' Covenant '' HowEver , A Testament ' And Covenant Are Not The Same Thing .Where Do They Get These Weird Interpretation ? Certainly They Don't Have Qualified Scholars Interpreting And Translating For Them . The Fact Is The Confusion In The Translation Is Because The Greek Word Diatheke Has Two Meaning .

According To An Etymological Dictionary Of The English Language , On Page 755. '' Testament '' Is Defined As Follow testament , n -M.E. fr. Eccles . L. testamentum , covenant , Scripture , fr . L . declaration of one's will ; last will testament , frL. testari to bea witness , bear witness , testify , is due to a confusion of the two meaning of Gk. ; 1 ) covenant ; 2) last will and testament , the wordused in the Septugint to render Heb . Berith , covenant ' ;... Whereas According To An Etymological Dictionary Of The English Language Covenant Is Defined As Flollows .

covenant , n Of . covenant ' a coming together assembly . prop . pres part ofcovenir , to come together , assemble . when f. convenir . to agree , to suit . fit .

And According To The Webster's New Twentieth Century Dictionary Unabridged Second Edition - Deluxe Color , On Page 420 , The Word Covenant Is Defined As ;

covenant , n . [ OFr. covenant , an agreement , from covenir L.convenire to agree , be of one mind , come together ; from com - together , and venire , to come ]

1. A Binding and solemn agreement by two or more persons, parties etc . to do or keep from doing somespecified thing ; a compact .

2 . In Theology . The Promise Of God To Man , Usually Carrying With Them Condition To Be Fulfilled By Man , As Recorded In The Bible .

The Point Is ' Covenant '' Has To Do With An Agreement , Whereas '' Testament '' Has To Do With Witnessing As You Can See In These Words ;

Word Meaning

Attest To Bear Witness To

Contest To Call To Witness

Detest To Curse While Calling A Deity To Witness

Obtest To Call To Witness

Protest To Declare In Public , To Bear Witness To

Testify To Bear Witness To ..

All Of These Words Are From The Latin Root Word Testari Meaning '' To Give As Evidence ; To Show , Prove , Vouch For ; To Bring To Light ; To Call To Witness It Has Nothing To Do With A Covenant .

How Can There Be A New Covenant When According To Genesis 17;7 The Covenant Established Between God And Abraham Was An Everlasting Covenant . The Christian Will Try To Use John 1;17 , Where It Says And I Quote . '' For The Law Was Given By Moses , But Grace And Truth Came By Jesus Christ '' To Say That The Law Is Gone And With The Coming Of Jesus Came The Period Of Grace .

[ This Is Innovation , According To The Word Of Jesus Himself , He Did Not Come To Change The Law , But To Fulfill It ( Matthew 5;17 ) . Jesus Said HE DID NOT COME TO DESTROY THE LAW !!

According To Genesis 17;7. The Covenant Establish With The Children Of Israel Was An '' Everlasting '' Covenant '' . The Aramic / Hebrew Word Used For '' Everylasting '' Is Owlam Or Olam Meaning '' Eternal , Lasting , A Long Time , Perpetual '' According To The Illustrated Heritage Dictionary And Information Book On Page 977 The Word Perpetual Is Defined As ; ( 1. Lasting For Eternity . 2. Lasting For An Indefinitely Long Duration . 3. Ceaselessly Repeated Or Centinuing Without Inerruption ) . The Covenant Made In Genesis 17;7. Was '' Everlasting , Without End'' . However In Jeremaih 31;31-32 And Hebrew 8;8-9 You Find A '' New Covenant '' .

Where It Says And I Quote ; '' Behold The Days Come , Saith The Lord . When I Will Make A New Covenant With The House Of Israel And With The House Of Judah ; Not According To The Covenant That I Made With Their Fathers In The Day That I Took Them By The Hand To Bring Them Out Of The Land Of Egypt ; Which My Covenant They Broke . Although I Was A Husband Unto Them Saith The Lord '' The Word Being Used In This Quote For '' New '' Is Chadash Meaning '' New , New Things , Fresh '' The Word Used In Greek For '' New '' Is Kainos Meaning '' As Respect Forms , Recently Made , Fresh , Recent , Unused , New .

Now Ask Yourself This If The Covenant Was An Everlasting Covenant , Then How Can There Be A New Covenant Or A '' New Testament '' ? Christian Scholars Will Say That With The Coming Of Jesus Was The End Of The Law And The Beginning Of Faith . Even The Prophet And Disciple Had To Abide By The Law . So Who Are You Self-Righteous Christian To Consider Yourselves Above The Law . You Are Innovating Because Jesus Never Said This ! If

How Many '' Everylasting Covenants Can There Be ? According To The Bible There Were 7 Everlasting Convenant Mentioned .

1. First There Was An Everlasting Covenant Made With Noah , Was Between God AndEvery Living Creature According To Genesis 9;16 .

2 . Then There Was An Everlasting Convenant , The Convenant Of Circumcision Made Between God , Abraham And Abraham's Seed Genesis 17;7 And Genesis 17;10,13 .

3. Then There Was Another '' Everlasting '' Convenant Mentioned in Isaiah 55;3

4 . Then There Was Another '' Everlasting '' Covenant In Isaiah 61;8 .

5. Then In Jereniah 32;40

6. Then In Ezekiel 61;60

7 . Then Again In Ezekiel 37;16

Then There Is A Man Made Book Called The '' New Covenant Or New Testament ? If The Convenant Established In Genesis 17;7 Was An Everlasting Covenant , And It Was . Then Why Does The God Of The Bible Keep Re-Establishing It , If It;s Everlasting ? [ How Many Everlasting Convenant Can There Be At One Time ]

Maybe When Some Christian Go Church This Sunday They'll Ask Some Real Question . '' Yes ''

Post by **spot** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:26 pm

Daniyal;913345 wrote: Be My Guess These Are The Teaching Of M.Z.York Which Is My Teacher As You Already Know . Let's See If ANY Of Your Teacher Can Disprove Any Of The Above .

Guess What You Can Use Any Body Words / Minister / Websites , Being That Where You Learn About Your God Yes . It's Only Fair . Mean Time People Will Learn What Their By - Bill Really Saying . Later Time For Class :driving:

I don't mind you quoting him at all. I mind you not acknowledging your source or giving a web address for it so people can read the context in which it sits. I'm becoming more interested in this concept of "my teacher" "your teacher" the more you keep using it. I mind you mocking people for using online resources to provide instances of what other people think when that's your own prime method of teaching.

Finally, I'm interested in your negative mocking of other people's beliefs while completely refusing to discuss your own. What's the name of the Eloheem from the 8th planet called RIZQ In The 19th Galaxy Illyuwn who currently lives on earth? Does that question relate to teaching materials your teacher gave you? Why won't you go near discussing it? Guess What You Can Use Any Body Words / Minister / Websites , Being That Where You Learn About Your Teacher Yes . It's Only Fair . Mean Time People Will Learn What Your Teacher Really Saying .

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:02 am

spot;913615 wrote: I don't mind you quoting him at all. I mind you not acknowledging your source or giving a web address for it so people can read the context in which it sits. I'm becoming more interested in this concept of "my teacher" "your teacher" the more you keep using it. I mind you mocking people for using online resources to provide instances of what other people think when that's your own prime method of teaching.

Finally, I'm interested in your negative mocking of other people's beliefs while completely refusing to discuss your own. What's the name of the Eloheem from the 8th planet called RIZQ In The 19th Galaxy Illyuwn who currently lives on earth? Does that question relate to teaching materials your teacher gave you? Why won't you go near discussing it? Guess What You Can Use Any Body Words / Minister / Websites , Being That Where You Learn About Your Teacher Yes . It's Only Fair . Mean Time People Will Learn What Your Teacher Really Saying .

You know you talk out of both side of your mouth , You were the first one to start the INSULTING when I first started posting then a few of your buddy follow behind you . I gave you the answer to that question it in a book call Man From Planet Planet Rizq / , Which Is written by Dr. M.Z.York himself , Being you say you have read some of his book you should know the answer , You think your saying something smart because you can'T prove NO ONE EXISTENCE in your By-Bill . Other then your So-called Authors / Scholar / Theologian who wrote the greatest story ever told meaning the greatest Lie ever told . I Have Walk / Talk / Seen M.Z.York . So He Real And Still Alive . Can You Say The Same About Any Body In Your By - Bill . No .

Unlike You I Havn't Ask Anyone Here To Believe / Accept Anything I Have Posted . Nor Have I Threat Any One With Hell Like Your Minister Etc Teach . Do You Really Think I Didn't Know That When I First Posted M.Z.York Name People Weren't Going To Lookup / Research , And Now I Got You Looking Up Every Website You Can Find With His Teaching , Now What Really Funny Is When You Created That Post Called Nuwaubian-Ism , I Couldn't Ask For More Attention Now Could I . Oh By The Way M.Z.York Wrote A Book Called Christ-Ism Now You Should Really Get A Copy Of That Book , So With Your Help Posting Every Link You Can Find For Me Plus The Link's I Posted , I Know We Can Agree They'll Know Who M.Z.York Is Yessss. Those Who Didn't Know / Heard Of Him Anyway .

I, YAANUWN, Am An ANUNNAQI Or What You Would Call An Extra-Terrestrial; Extra Terra-Astral; Look At This EXTRA- Meaning In Addition To; TERRA-Of The Earth; ASTRAL- Of Or From The Stars. I Am What You Call An Angelic Being, An Eloheem From The 8th Planet Called RIZQ Which Has 1 Moon SHESHQI Of Its Own. This Galaxy, The Nineteenth Galaxy Called "ILLYUWN" Seek Out The Book That Way Your Get Better Overstanding , And Then You Wont Have To Use Small Bites . Their Also Book Called Holy Tablets That Goes In Great Detail .

Do I Accept Your By-Bill Story's Keyword Story' No . Why Should I Accept A Book Full Of Dead People / Spook's / Ghost's , And I Have To Wait Until I Die To See Your Heaven Or Hell . What Foolishness .

Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:53 am

Is There A God ? Scroll # 160 ( Book 2 ) ( M.Z.York )

Which is something Else that I want to address , Which is , If there is no other that is equal to Allah El's Holy Qur'aan 112 ; 4 , And I Quote ; And no one is Kufuwaan 'Equal ' to Him

Then why do Muslims have to continuously Repeat Themselves ? Do they have to keep reminding themselves because they Might Forget ??? Why do their calls to prayer , The Adhaan and The Iqaama , Sing La Illaha Illa Allah Redundantly ? And don't let them tell you that it is for the english speaking people passing by their Misques , Because an english speaking person wouldn't know what The Adhaan Is or what it means , Cut The Crap ! Your Religion And Your Gods Are Spell Binding Characters That You Cannot Prove Exist .

And To Take It From A Biblical And Koranic Point Of View , What Was The Purpose Of The Parting Of The Red Sea Exodus 14 ; 22 , And I Quote ; And the Children of Israel , Jacob's sons and daughters went into the '' Midst ' of the '' Sea upon the

'' Dry Land ' And the Water were as a Wall Of Protection ' to them on their right side , and on their left .

Why not just avoid the entire situation and make communication better between The Egyptian and the children of Israel ? Why was it necessary for Jesus to have to live his life on The Run from the day he was born Mattthew Chapter 2 .

Matthew Chapter 2 , And I Quote ; 1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, saying, 2 "Where is he who has been born king of the Jews? For we have seen his star in the East, and have come to worship him." 3 When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him; 4 and assembling all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born. 5 They told him, "In Bethlehem of Judea; for so it is written by the prophet:

6 'And you, O Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for from you shall come a ruler who will govern my people Israel.'"7 Then Herod summoned the wise men secretly and ascertained from them what time the star appeared; 8 and he sent them to Bethlehem, saying, "Go and search diligently for the child, and when you have found him bring me word, that I too may come and worship him." 9 When they had heard the king they went their way; and lo, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came to rest over the place where the child was. 10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced exceedingly with great joy;

11 and going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh. 12 And being warned in a dream not to return to Herod, they departed to their own country by another way. 13 Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, "Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there till I tell you; for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him." 14 And he rose and took the child and his mother by night, and departed to Egypt, 15 and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfil what the Lord had spoken by the prophet, "Out of Egypt have I called my son."

16 Then Herod, when he saw that he had been tricked by the wise men, was in a furious rage, and he sent and killed all the male children in Bethlehem and in all that region who were two years old or under, according to the time which he had ascertained from the wise men. 17 Then was fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah: 18 "A voice was heard in Ramah, wailing and loud lamentation, Rachel weeping for her children; she refused to be consoled, because they were no more." 19 But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, saying,

20 "Rise, take the child and his mother, and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the child's life are dead." 21 And he rose and took the child and his mother, and went to the land of Israel. 22 But when he heard that Archelaus reigned over Judea in place of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there, and being warned in a dream he withdrew to the district of Galilee. 23 And he went and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that what was spoken by the prophets might be fulfilled, "He shall be called a Nazarene."

If It Had Already Been Planned That Jesus Was Supposed To Die At 33 Years Old As Christians Say , Then There Was No Way Possible That King Herod Could Have Harmed Jesus If According To God's Law He Was Destined To Die On A Cross For Your Sins . Herod Could Not Have Interfered . It Is Recorded In The Koran 3 ; 124 , And I Quote ; O ( Muhammad ) , call to mind , when you said to the faithful ; Is it not enought that your Rabb who is Sustainer will assist you , by Sending Down 3,000 Angelic Messengers ' , ( Eloheem , Anunnaqi , Angels Can Come In Human Form ? ) .

That 3,000 Angels Came Down From Heaven To Help The Prophet Muhammad In A Battle Against His Enemies , To Muslims , That Sound Like A Noble Deed . But Doesn't That Sound A Little Backwards ? The Angels Should Have Been Coming To Make Peace Not More War , Can't You All See That There Is Something Wrong With This ? And They Can't Blame This On The Devil Because Each Of These Situation Was Dealing Directly With God , By Way Of Moses , His Peophet , Jesus , His Son , And Muhammad , His Prophet . You Better Go Back And Read Your Scriptures Because According To Your Definition Of God , He Wouldn't Allow These Things To Happen .

These Are The Types Of Questions That Your Imaams , Pastors , Shaikhs , Ministers , Monsignors Bishops , Learnt Men , Rabbis , And The Likes , Hate For You To Ask Simply Because They Don't Have Any Answers And They Would Lose Their Congregation , Which

Means No More Money In The The Collection Plates And Zakaat Envelopes . Everytime I Talk To Someone About This Topic , Their Response Is Always One Of Two Ways '' Wow. I Didn't Think Of It That Way '' , Or '' Your Crazy '' , That Is Because You Are Under The

Hypnotic Spell Of Sleep Called The Spell Of Leviathan That Has You Living In Ignorance . This Spell Was Cast On Your Minds By The Disagreeable Reptilian Called Zuen . The Spell Of Leviathan Was Introduced Through Religion With The Help Of This Same Reptilian , Zuen

And Enforced Through Religious Propaganda . ( Refer To '' The Spell Of Kingu ( Leviathan - 666 '' , Parts 1 And 2 , Scroll # 15 ) . To Help Get My People From Under The Spell , I Have Been Writing Books , Making Audio And Video Tapes , Have Held Question And Answer

Classes Called '' Newcomer's Class '' , And Used Many Other Avenues To Propagate The Facts . So In 1994 A.D. I Published A Series Of Scrolls Entitled '' The God Series . '' I Felt That The '' God '' Scroll Were Scattered About And Most People Haven't Gotten All Of Them .

So I Decided To Combine All The '' The God Series '' Books Into Three Books With Upadated Information , More Pictures And Diagrams . This Way . When You Are Reading This Book , You Will Feel The Full Impact And Power Of '' The God Series , '' If You Are One Of Those

People Who Want Facts . Because You Are Tired Of Legends And Myths , Then You Are Ready To Read These Books In Their Entirety With An Open Mind That Has Been Put Forth By The HOLY TABERNACLE MINISTERIES Or In Short H.T.M.

Now , Let's Take A Closer LQQk At The New Testament's Main Character Called Jesus In Matthew Chapter 2 , And I Quote ; 1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, saying, 2 "Where is he who has been born king of the Jews? For we have seen his star in the East, and have come to worship him." 3 When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him; 4 and assembling all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born. 5 They told him, "In Bethlehem of Judea; for so it is written by the prophet:

6 'And you, O Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for from you shall come a ruler who will govern my people Israel.'" 7 Then Herod summoned the wise men secretly and ascertained from them what time the star appeared; 8 and he sent them to Bethlehem, saying, "Go and search diligently for the child, and when you have found him bring me word, that I too may come and worship him." 9 When they had heard the king they went their way; and lo, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came to rest over the place where the child was. 10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced exceedingly with great joy;

11 and going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh. 12 And being warned in a dream not to return to Herod, they departed to their own country by another way. 13 Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, "Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there till I tell you; for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him." 14 And he rose and took the child and his mother by night, and departed to Egypt, 15 and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfil what the Lord had spoken by the prophet, "Out of Egypt have I called my son."

16 Then Herod, when he saw that he had been tricked by the wise men, was in a furious rage, and he sent and killed all the male children in Bethlehem and in all that region who were two years old or under, according to the time which he had ascertained from the wise men. 17 Then was fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah: 18 "A voice was heard in Ramah, wailing and loud lamentation, Rachel weeping for her children; she refused to be consoled, because they were no more." 19 But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, saying, 20 "Rise, take the child and his mother, and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the child's life are dead."

21 And he rose and took the child and his mother, and went to the land of Israel. 22 But when he heard that Archelaus reigned over Judea in place of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there, and being warned in a dream he withdrew to the district of Galilee. 23 And he went and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that what was spoken by the prophets might be fulfilled, "He shall be called a Nazarene ;....

After Jesus Was Born , Why Did He Have To Run If It Was Already Prophesied , According To Your So - Called Scholars Of Theology ( Theories ) That Jesus Was Going To Die At The Age 33 By Crucifixion . Why Did He Have To Hide ? He Is The Son Of '' God '' And His Time Of Death Has Already Been Predicted . And Why Did Jesus Have To Be Tempted By The Devil Matthew 4 ; 1 , And I Quote ; 1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. ;....

There Is No Reason For Temptation . This Is What I Call '' Props ; Creating Situations That End Up Making Good LQQK Good , If God Or ' Allah ' Is All Knowing Koran 9 ; 97 , And I Quote ; The Arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger. But Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise. ;....

Wouldn't He Already Know That Jesus Couldn't Be Tempted Or That He Couldn't Be Killed By Herod's Men . So , Why Tell His Parents To Run ? Isn't God Like Santa Claus '' He Knows When You Are Sleeping . He Knows When You Are Awake , He Knows If You've Been Bad Or Good , So Be Good For Goodness Sakes , So . You Better Watch Out '' Or You'll Be Going To Hell ! Isn't That What God Says ?

According To Christian Teaching Jesus Was Destined To Die On The Cross At The Age Of 33 For Your Sins .. 1Corinthians 15 ; 3 , And I Quote ; 3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures ;.... If This Were True , Why Was Jesus Crying Out To God And I Quote ; '' ELI ELI LAMA SABACHTHANI , THAT IS TO SAY ; MY GODS , MY GOD , WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME ? ( Matthew 27 ; 46 ) .

While He Was Supposedly On The Cross Getting Crucified ? Didn't He Know That , That Was His Whole Purpose On This Earth ---- Everyone Else Did ? Or Did God Forget To Tell His '' Only Begotten Son '' About It . John 1;24 , And I Quote ; 24 Now they had been sent from the Pharisees. ;... Also Verse 18 , No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known. Also Read John 3 ; 16 , And I Quote ; 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

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Daniyal · Post by **Daniyal** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:31 am

If God So Loved The World , Why Didn't He Come Down Himself , Wouldn't That Be The Ultimate Love And Not Send Somebody Else ?

If you ask that , the preacher , or leanders would say '' This Man Is A Blasphemer '' . '' Get this man out of here ' Why ? Because you're not supposed to question their god , with thing that make sense . or things that fall '' Under Common Sense '' LQQk at it again , God So Loved The World That He Sent His Son To Die ? ( Shouldn't It Be , God So Loved The World That He Came Himself ) ?

< And when the christian realized that type of reasoning was in '' Existence '' , They said'' well we got to turn '' The Son Into God '' . That how Yashua / Jesus became God, The Father , The Son And The Holy Ghost . < The first teaching was that Yashua / Jesus was A Son Of God . That in the bible . ( Matthew 16 ;2 After he was gone he was '' Transformed From The Son Of God To God

( 2Timothy 3 ; 16 ) . They knew somewhere along the line , There was going to be some people who would say , Well if there was danger downstairs I would tell my wife and child . Wait A Minute I'm The Man . I'll Go Downstairs . If I'm In The Image Of God And That's How A God Would Think Because I'm In His Image And His Likeness Then God Would Have Thought That Way ( Genesis 1 ; 26 - 27 ) .

would not be laying in the bed saying , Here's my son , You go down there and let them crucify you . And then come back up here and sit next to me on my right hand side . That's not my kindof god . Thats somebody else's kind of god . You Know What I'm Saying ? He has messed up our minds for too long and now it is time to be untangled . It happened because I open the doors , I wrote a whole bunch of books ,

All kinds of Writings ; Ashuric / Syriac / Arabic . Aramic / Hebrew . Fo Some 20 odd years , Just trying to get you full enough to the point that you would explode and say , Darn It ! What Is , Who Is , And Where Is God ? The Son Of God called Yashua / Jesus died so that you can be save ( John 3 ; 16 - 17 ) . People were confused about what else they should be doing after he died to go to a prepared place that Yashua / Jesus spoke about in

( John 14 ; 2 ) .

He becomes even more confusing nowadays because in The Books Of Matthew . Luke , And Mark . They all record something different about how to receive this salvation . If you are believeing according to the bible , No one knows what must you do in order to besave ?So in other word , '' Faith alone is required which issupported by

John 3 ; 15 18 ,

However , there areother verse which tell a different story . This is obviously a big problem amongst christians because whole denominations have split over these bible contradictions. ( Mark 16;16 ) Says That Baptism Is Necessary For Salvation . This verse implies that

'' Faith '' is a requirement or else you will be '' Damned '' . Thus , this Raises , the question ; is '' Faith '' alone required or is it '' Faith '' plus Baptism ?

Churches are divided on this question , Expecially when considering infants and children who die before being Baptized . The concept of '' Limbo '' . Was Invented while they were trying to resolve this contradiction . They Weren't Sure Whether Children Were To Go To Heaven Or Hell . Some bible verse such as James 2 ; 14 - 15 , says that '' Works '' are required for salvation

And according to your definition and opinion , The term '' Work '' can mean anything from good deeds towards other , following the laws of the bible and / or the fear of god .Some so-called scholars interpret this passage to mean that Faith and work are both required , or that '' Faith Automatically Produces Works . Others imterpret it to mean that '' Works along are required . WHO'S RIGHT ''WHO'S WRONG ??? Because there are other verse such as ( Galatians 2 ; 16 , 3 ; 5 , Hebrews 6 ; 1 And James 2 ; 17 ) .

That state work and faith are both necessary and enough for salvation and they don't mention faith . All Of These Verse Are From The Red Lettred Writing Of Your Bible Which You Claim Were The Actual Works Of Jesus The Christ . ( CAN FAITH PLUS WORKS SAVE YOU ? CAN WORKS ALONE SAVE YOU ? ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE AND NOT YOUR OPINIONS , WHICH ONE OR TWO OR THREE OF THESE QUALIFY YOU TO GET TO PARADISE ?

Now according to ( Ephesian 1 ; 4 - 6 and Revelation 17; 8 ) . Each of us was ( Predestined For Either Heaven Or Hell '' Before The Foundation Of The World . ) This means that no one can be save unless their salvation was Established from the beginning . ( If Blief Is Required For Salvation )

Then only those predestined for Salvation are able to believe ( Acts 13; 48 , 2Thessalonians 2 ; 13 - 14 ) . ( If obedience Is Required For Salvation ) . Then only those predestined for salvation are able to obey .

( 1Peter 1 ;2 , 2 ; 7 - 8 ) . < These Quotes All State Or Clearly Imply That God Premeditated Or Predestined Your Salvation And Damnation Long Before Any Of Your Were Even Born .

So according to the very scriptures that you believe in , You can't be or do anything other than what you are predestined to be or do . This is telling the criminal who is socaled '' Born Again '' That no matter how many times he is Baptized , He can not be reformed . According to

( John 6 ; 44 , John 6 ;65 , Roman 9 ; 14 - 16 And Psalm 65 ; 4 ) . Salvation depends on God's decision and can save someone anytime he likes . And you wonder why christianity is divided into so many sects . And no one knows where they are destined to go . These Scriptures are inconsistent and they contradict each other over and over again . The one thing that they or You should agree on is what their god or the son of god says.

That's a good question m Why did Yashua / Jesus run from the jews ( John 8 ; 57 - 59 ) ? If Yashua / Jesus was divine from the moment he was born , then '' Herod '' would not have made a threat to hislife ,

( Matthew 2 ; 1 - 4 ) . Joseph and Mary would not have to flee with the child into '' Egypt '' ( Matthew 2 ;13 ) . And the may lives of every male child that was two years andunder would not have been lost , trying to kill Yashua / Jesus because he was a threat to '' Herod's throne ..

( Luke 1 ; 23 - 38 ) . If Yashua / Jesus was to die on the cross at the age of 33 years old they couldn't kill him as a child , So they wouldn't have had to flee . Why was he trembling and astonished praying to God

( Acts 9 ;6 ) and in ( Matthew 26 ; 39 ) . In agony praying more earnestly and his sweat like great drops of blood falling ( Luke 22 ; 44 ) ?

Was it in hopes to get God to change hismind through his prayers ? The cup that Jesuswas referring to was the crucifixion . If Jesus was destined to die at the age 33 why didhe hide himself ( John 12 ;36 ) . Why didn't Mary Magdalene , Who according to christian doctrine Jesuscast 7 demons out of her ( Luke 8 ;2 ) . Think that Jesus was the Gardener .

How could she not have recognized the same man that cast 7 demons out of her ? Jesus obviously was in some kind of disguise ( John 20 ; 15 -17 ) . Why did Jesus have to disguise himself ? Did he think he could escape the destiny of his father , The Almighty God . Who had planned this for him ? Why did Jesus tell his disciple to my swords to defend themselves from the Sanhedris, If he was suppose to die on the cross for your sins at the age of 33 years old ( Luke 22 ; 36 ) . Jesus knew that alot of people wanted him dead , Because it was thought that he was a false Prophet .

Jesus told his disciple to buy swords because he was afraid and didn't want to die a horrifying death of crucifixion Jesus really thought he was going to die and had all intention of fighting for his life with the swords . . ( Why did he buy swords if he was suppose to die on the cross ? And why was Jesus even Depressed if he knew he wasgoing to die ? He said that he came to do the will of The Father ? John 5; 30 . So , if his father's will was that he die on the cross . Then why did Jesus pray to be saved from his father's will ? This makes no sense at all !!

Mark 14;34 . And I Quote , And Said Unto Them ( My Soul Is Exceeding Sorrowful Unto Death ) ; Tarry Ye Here Are Watch ''

Andif you try say Jesus did all of this because the time was not right . He still wouldn't have to do all that because no one could have been a threat to his life if God said he was suppose to die on the cross at 33 years old meaning no one could have killed him up until he was 33 years old . If it was God will . No one would have been able to interfere .

These are the types of Question that went unanswered for years . Until now , You can't keep believing in the Spook Gods of christianity / judaism / and islam . The three major religion of the world that preach by making '' Stupid Sense '' out of everything , And thespell bound accepts it with No Question Asked . Christian want you to believe that Jesusdied to remove sin from the world . If this is truethen he didn't accomplish it because after his so-caled death , people were still Sinning . And it hasn't stopped . The World Is Still Sinning . And if the purpose for '' Baptism Of Repentance Is For The Remission Of Sin '' As It Is Syated In Mark 1 ;4 And Jesus was Baptized by his cousin John The Baptist in the jordan river then does that mean that Jesus is a Sinner To ? Because The Greek Word Used For Remission Is '' Afesis '' meaning '' Forgiveness Deliverance . Liberty '' So does this also mean that Jesus needed to be forgiven for something that hedid wrong ??? According To Some Christian . Jesus Was God Himself Which Means That Your God Capable Of Sinning .