Our reign of terror, by the Israeli army

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:31 am

No doubt many will dismiss this as made up propaganda.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 11769.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 88050.html

when atrocity becomes self defence.

Mr Segev's book is over 500 pages long, yet almost every paragraph finds echoes in Israel today. In the same way that the Halhoul deaths in 1939 weren't an atrocity in British minds, nor a violation of civil rights, so the measures that the Israeli army takes to combat Palestinian violence are described as merely self-defence. They are the terrorists; we are the defenders. The killing of 90 or so Palestinian children in the past five months, is, well, self-defence.

same old same old.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:31 am

It seems monsters will justify anything if it suits them.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:59 am

RedGlitter;842608 wrote: It seems monsters will justify anything if it suits them.

So are these guys monsters as well or just ordinary people in an extraordinary situation?

http://www.ivaw.org/wintersoldier/testi ... %3A+Part+1

One night they killed a farmer with 14 children because he was working in his field after curfew and ran when ordered to halt. In another incident, Smith recalls American soldiers coming into the base with a truck, celebrating over the corpses of insurgents who had attacked them. The bodies had been ripped apart gunfire, and one soldier gleefully displayed a decapitated head.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:26 am

gmc;842923 wrote: So are these guys monsters as well or just ordinary people in an extraordinary situation?

http://www.ivaw.org/wintersoldier/testi ... %3A+Part+1

I don't find that kind of behavior, celebrating the killing of people, even if they were the enemy, to be a good or acceptable thing. It's repulsive. I see the point you're aiming for though.

Even when Hussein was killed, glad as I was that he was dead and gone, I was still saddened by the fact that he chose to be the way he was and that it had come to that.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:00 pm

RedGlitter;842953 wrote: I don't find that kind of behavior, celebrating the killing of people, even if they were the enemy, to be a good or acceptable thing. It's repulsive. I see the point you're aiming for though.

Even when Hussein was killed, glad as I was that he was dead and gone, I was still saddened by the fact that he chose to be the way he was and that it had come to that.

I don't think you do see my point. It's an anti war site, They're not celebrating what happened or what they did but rather just making the point that perfectly decent people can find themselves doing things in war or turning a blind eye to actions that would have been unconscionable a few months earlier- they're not necessarily bad people or monsters not is it simply us good them evil.

http://www.ivaw.org/faq