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Every one of those incompetent Keystone Kops should have that taser gun put to their head. That was what, four against one if you even count the female cop? For what- making an ass out of the speaker by calling him onto the carpet? For exercising his right to speak freely? He wasn't even being belligerent. I almost wish you hadn't put this up because now I'm steaming. But it's good that you did so people can see how ineffectual police training really is and how cops abuse their power on a routine basis.
I'm not buying that three or four men couldn't have handled him without resorting to harming him. I hope he sues their collective incompetent ass off.
I'm not buying that three or four men couldn't have handled him without resorting to harming him. I hope he sues their collective incompetent ass off.
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You know I never post news stories.
I did this one because I'm livid!
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I did this one because I'm livid!
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I can certainly see why!! I know some people will say he had it coming because he wasn't cooperating but that was unnecessary force. Just no reason for that.
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One female student yelling "why are you doing that" I hope other students hauled out their cell phones and took more video's and pics and they make a huge case out of this.
Bloody sickening over puffed up, power hungry cops.
Yep that is disturbing.
And there boys and girls you have it..... why many people are afraid to stand up for what they believe in.
I call absolute and utter Bull $hit.
One female student yelling "why are you doing that" I hope other students hauled out their cell phones and took more video's and pics and they make a huge case out of this.
Bloody sickening over puffed up, power hungry cops.
Yep that is disturbing.
And there boys and girls you have it..... why many people are afraid to stand up for what they believe in.
I call absolute and utter Bull $hit.
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That was very disturbing!! So, what happened to freedom of speech! Is it OK unless they don't like whats being said. I saw no signs of violence on his part, in fact from what I could make out, they already had him handcuffed at the end whilst tasering him! Also he was screaming for help, not fighting them! Thats just disgusting - does anyone know if there was a follow-up to this
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ThePheasant;696237 wrote: That was very disturbing!! So, what happened to freedom of speech! Is it OK unless they don't like whats being said. I saw no signs of violence on his part, in fact from what I could make out, they already had him handcuffed at the end whilst tasering him! Also he was screaming for help, not fighting them!
Thats just disgusting - does anyone know if there was a follow-up to this
interestingly every now and then you caught glimpses of his hand (the student) it was always open, yep pheasy it didn't look like he was fighting back.
I would be interested in follow up and maybe any word on how we can offer up our support to this guy and find out if he is ok, and offer him encouragement.
That was very disturbing!! So, what happened to freedom of speech! Is it OK unless they don't like whats being said. I saw no signs of violence on his part, in fact from what I could make out, they already had him handcuffed at the end whilst tasering him! Also he was screaming for help, not fighting them! Thats just disgusting - does anyone know if there was a follow-up to this
interestingly every now and then you caught glimpses of his hand (the student) it was always open, yep pheasy it didn't look like he was fighting back.
I would be interested in follow up and maybe any word on how we can offer up our support to this guy and find out if he is ok, and offer him encouragement.
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Why didn't the liberal democratic presidential candidate stop the assault? Kinda makes you wonder.
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Dumbass should have listened and did what the ploice said,maybe they would not have too light him up.We do have freedom of speech,in a calm and civil manner.Do not interupt someone else,this is rude.I hope they cracked his punk ass head when they chucked him in the cell.
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Shweet tatersalad;696259 wrote: Dumbass should have listened and did what the ploice said,maybe they would not have too light him up.We do have freedom of speech,in a calm and civil manner.Do not interupt someone else,this is rude.I hope they cracked his punk ass head when they chucked him in the cell.
Well, correct me if I'm wrong but was the floor not opened up for questions? And from what I could see he was calm and civilized until the police started acting un-calm and un-civilized. mmm ..... maybe we were watching different video clips :-2
Well, correct me if I'm wrong but was the floor not opened up for questions? And from what I could see he was calm and civilized until the police started acting un-calm and un-civilized. mmm ..... maybe we were watching different video clips :-2
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Ok Shweet. Perhaps he did step over the boundaries of an open forum discussion but those cops were out of hand.
UF Police seek independent review of Tasering
BY JACK STRIPLING
The Gainesville Sun
GAINESVILLE - University of Florida Police are seeking an independent review of an incident Monday where a student was shot with a Taser and arrested during U.S. Sen. John Kerry's speech.
A letter has been sent to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement asking for an independent review, UF Police Chief Linda Stump confirmed.
"Obviously I think that's the right thing to do. I think it has risen to the level where it needs outside scrutiny to be judged independently," she said Tuesday morning.
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Sen. Kerry's office issued the statement below:
"In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way. I believe I could have handled the situation without interruption, but I do not know what warnings or other exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his barging to the front of the line and their intervention. I asked the police to allow me to answer the question and was in the process of responding when he was taken into custody. I was not aware that a taser was used until after I left the building. I hope that neither the student nor any of the police were injured. I regret enormously that a good healthy discussion was interrupted."
UF Police seek independent review of Tasering
BY JACK STRIPLING
The Gainesville Sun
GAINESVILLE - University of Florida Police are seeking an independent review of an incident Monday where a student was shot with a Taser and arrested during U.S. Sen. John Kerry's speech.
A letter has been sent to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement asking for an independent review, UF Police Chief Linda Stump confirmed.
"Obviously I think that's the right thing to do. I think it has risen to the level where it needs outside scrutiny to be judged independently," she said Tuesday morning.
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Sen. Kerry's office issued the statement below:
"In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way. I believe I could have handled the situation without interruption, but I do not know what warnings or other exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his barging to the front of the line and their intervention. I asked the police to allow me to answer the question and was in the process of responding when he was taken into custody. I was not aware that a taser was used until after I left the building. I hope that neither the student nor any of the police were injured. I regret enormously that a good healthy discussion was interrupted."
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YZGI;696245 wrote: Why didn't the liberal democratic presidential candidate stop the assault? Kinda makes you wonder.
Shweet tatersalad;696259 wrote: Dumbass should have listened and did what the ploice said,maybe they would not have too light him up.We do have freedom of speech,in a calm and civil manner.Do not interupt someone else,this is rude.I hope they cracked his punk ass head when they chucked him in the cell.
how can you say that he wasn't acting in a calm and civil manner?? He was asking a question. Sure he made some statements, but he was trying to lead up to the questions he has. Sounded to me as if he was frustrated with John Kerry and wanted some answers. it also looked to me as if the police were trying to shut him up - hmmmmmmmm, now if that ain't taking away his freedom of speech, I don't know what is. And interrupting someone being rude??? - he was the one interrupted, because the "speaker" pointed at him giving him the floor.
JacksDad;696279 wrote: Ok Shweet. Perhaps he did step over the boundaries of an open forum discussion but those cops were out of hand.
UF Police seek independent review of Tasering
BY JACK STRIPLING
The Gainesville Sun
GAINESVILLE - University of Florida Police are seeking an independent review of an incident Monday where a student was shot with a Taser and arrested during U.S. Sen. John Kerry's speech.
A letter has been sent to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement asking for an independent review, UF Police Chief Linda Stump confirmed.
"Obviously I think that's the right thing to do. I think it has risen to the level where it needs outside scrutiny to be judged independently," she said Tuesday morning.
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Sen. Kerry's office issued the statement below:
"In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way. I believe I could have handled the situation without interruption, but I do not know what warnings or other exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his barging to the front of the line and their intervention. I asked the police to allow me to answer the question and was in the process of responding when he was taken into custody. I was not aware that a taser was used until after I left the building. I hope that neither the student nor any of the police were injured. I regret enormously that a good healthy discussion was interrupted."
Darn right they were out of hand, that was uncalled for. i heard at least 3 times of that taser hitting him after he'd been detained, and that's undue force! There was no need for that at all. I'll try to avoid getting into a discussion on John Kerry, as this thread isn't about that LOL
Shweet tatersalad;696259 wrote: Dumbass should have listened and did what the ploice said,maybe they would not have too light him up.We do have freedom of speech,in a calm and civil manner.Do not interupt someone else,this is rude.I hope they cracked his punk ass head when they chucked him in the cell.
how can you say that he wasn't acting in a calm and civil manner?? He was asking a question. Sure he made some statements, but he was trying to lead up to the questions he has. Sounded to me as if he was frustrated with John Kerry and wanted some answers. it also looked to me as if the police were trying to shut him up - hmmmmmmmm, now if that ain't taking away his freedom of speech, I don't know what is. And interrupting someone being rude??? - he was the one interrupted, because the "speaker" pointed at him giving him the floor.
JacksDad;696279 wrote: Ok Shweet. Perhaps he did step over the boundaries of an open forum discussion but those cops were out of hand.
UF Police seek independent review of Tasering
BY JACK STRIPLING
The Gainesville Sun
GAINESVILLE - University of Florida Police are seeking an independent review of an incident Monday where a student was shot with a Taser and arrested during U.S. Sen. John Kerry's speech.
A letter has been sent to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement asking for an independent review, UF Police Chief Linda Stump confirmed.
"Obviously I think that's the right thing to do. I think it has risen to the level where it needs outside scrutiny to be judged independently," she said Tuesday morning.
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Sen. Kerry's office issued the statement below:
"In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way. I believe I could have handled the situation without interruption, but I do not know what warnings or other exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his barging to the front of the line and their intervention. I asked the police to allow me to answer the question and was in the process of responding when he was taken into custody. I was not aware that a taser was used until after I left the building. I hope that neither the student nor any of the police were injured. I regret enormously that a good healthy discussion was interrupted."
Darn right they were out of hand, that was uncalled for. i heard at least 3 times of that taser hitting him after he'd been detained, and that's undue force! There was no need for that at all. I'll try to avoid getting into a discussion on John Kerry, as this thread isn't about that LOL
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48 minutes ago.
Two officers involved in the incident have been placed on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of an investigation, according to University of Florida President Bernard Machen.
Two officers involved in the incident have been placed on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of an investigation, according to University of Florida President Bernard Machen.
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JacksDad;696317 wrote: 48 minutes ago.
Two officers involved in the incident have been placed on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of an investigation, according to University of Florida President Bernard Machen.
Good!
I believe that the police need to maintain control and should be able to protect themselves. However, this just was not necessary in this case - 'power crazy' springs to mind here.
Two officers involved in the incident have been placed on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of an investigation, according to University of Florida President Bernard Machen.
Good!
I believe that the police need to maintain control and should be able to protect themselves. However, this just was not necessary in this case - 'power crazy' springs to mind here.
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JacksDad;696317 wrote: 48 minutes ago.
Two officers involved in the incident have been placed on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of an investigation, according to University of Florida President Bernard Machen.
excellent !!!!
Two officers involved in the incident have been placed on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of an investigation, according to University of Florida President Bernard Machen.
excellent !!!!
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Darn right they were out of hand, that was uncalled for. i heard at least 3 times of that taser hitting him after he'd been detained, and that's undue force! There was no need for that at all. I'll try to avoid getting into a discussion on John Kerry, as this thread isn't about that LOL
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They were absolutely out of hand,perhaps they should wait for a weapon too be drawn from the assailant before they react. They can't
take that chance,some nut job starts losing his mind and they had too take care of the situation before it gets out of hand.IF he had pulled a 9mm and took a shot at someone,then this would a possible suit because the police did not act fast enough.at least this way no one got killed and the big mouth just wet his pants as they were frying his giblets.
Oh, for those who don't know me,I'm tater salad and I bring it.
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They were absolutely out of hand,perhaps they should wait for a weapon too be drawn from the assailant before they react. They can't
take that chance,some nut job starts losing his mind and they had too take care of the situation before it gets out of hand.IF he had pulled a 9mm and took a shot at someone,then this would a possible suit because the police did not act fast enough.at least this way no one got killed and the big mouth just wet his pants as they were frying his giblets.
Oh, for those who don't know me,I'm tater salad and I bring it.
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Shweet tatersalad;696366 wrote: Darn right they were out of hand, that was uncalled for. i heard at least 3 times of that taser hitting him after he'd been detained, and that's undue force! There was no need for that at all. I'll try to avoid getting into a discussion on John Kerry, as this thread isn't about that LOL
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They were absolutely out of hand,perhaps they should wait for a weapon too be drawn from the assailant before they react. They can't
take that chance,some nut job starts losing his mind and they had too take care of the situation before it gets out of hand.IF he had pulled a 9mm and took a shot at someone,then this would a possible suit because the police did not act fast enough.at least this way no one got killed and the big mouth just wet his pants as they were frying his giblets.
Oh, for those who don't know me,I'm tater salad and I bring it.
UGH what is this world coming to, it's always about "taking action to the extreme, does nobody assess the incident as an individual thing anymore"
This irks me beyond words.!!!!!
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They were absolutely out of hand,perhaps they should wait for a weapon too be drawn from the assailant before they react. They can't
take that chance,some nut job starts losing his mind and they had too take care of the situation before it gets out of hand.IF he had pulled a 9mm and took a shot at someone,then this would a possible suit because the police did not act fast enough.at least this way no one got killed and the big mouth just wet his pants as they were frying his giblets.
Oh, for those who don't know me,I'm tater salad and I bring it.
UGH what is this world coming to, it's always about "taking action to the extreme, does nobody assess the incident as an individual thing anymore"
This irks me beyond words.!!!!!
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
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Another view of the same incident - check out the suit behind the cops at the beginning:-
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Shweet tatersalad;696366 wrote:
They were absolutely out of hand,perhaps they should wait for a weapon too be drawn from the assailant before they react. They can't
take that chance,some nut job starts losing his mind and they had too take care of the situation before it gets out of hand.IF he had pulled a 9mm and took a shot at someone,then this would a possible suit because the police did not act fast enough.at least this way no one got killed and the big mouth just wet his pants as they were frying his giblets.
Oh, for those who don't know me,I'm tater salad and I bring it.
That's a copout, no pun intended. When we start thinking the police force warrants higher respect than the individuals they serve, we may as well just cash it all in. This guy did not a thing wrong. He wasn't obnoxious, he wasn't offensive, he touched no one, he was only passionate about what he was saying and Kerry owed everyone there an answer. The real reason the cops surfaced is because we certainly don't want any young upstart questioning and embarrassing our politicians!
The cops wouldn't get kickbacks if they let that happen.
That those assh***s mistreated that guy as they did warrants badge removal in my opinion. That that audience of inDUHviduals sat there and allowed that guy's rights to be trashed is a crime.
This video is an example of why so many people hate cops. Rightfully so.
They were absolutely out of hand,perhaps they should wait for a weapon too be drawn from the assailant before they react. They can't
take that chance,some nut job starts losing his mind and they had too take care of the situation before it gets out of hand.IF he had pulled a 9mm and took a shot at someone,then this would a possible suit because the police did not act fast enough.at least this way no one got killed and the big mouth just wet his pants as they were frying his giblets.
Oh, for those who don't know me,I'm tater salad and I bring it.
That's a copout, no pun intended. When we start thinking the police force warrants higher respect than the individuals they serve, we may as well just cash it all in. This guy did not a thing wrong. He wasn't obnoxious, he wasn't offensive, he touched no one, he was only passionate about what he was saying and Kerry owed everyone there an answer. The real reason the cops surfaced is because we certainly don't want any young upstart questioning and embarrassing our politicians!
The cops wouldn't get kickbacks if they let that happen.That those assh***s mistreated that guy as they did warrants badge removal in my opinion. That that audience of inDUHviduals sat there and allowed that guy's rights to be trashed is a crime.
This video is an example of why so many people hate cops. Rightfully so.
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For those older than me who would know, would they have done that to Abbie Hoffman?!
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Chookie;696374 wrote: Another view of the same incident - check out the suit behind the cops at the beginning:-
Mmmm interesting - obviously that guy in the suit was happy to get him away from the mike - did like the way the 'open' question time was going, wasn't fitting into 'their' plan. That video makes me ask again (as he did on numerous occasions) WHAT DID HE DO WRONG?
Mmmm interesting - obviously that guy in the suit was happy to get him away from the mike - did like the way the 'open' question time was going, wasn't fitting into 'their' plan. That video makes me ask again (as he did on numerous occasions) WHAT DID HE DO WRONG?
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RedGlitter;696376 wrote: That's a copout, no pun intended. When we start thinking the police force warrants higher respect than the individuals they serve, we may as well just cash it all in. This guy did not a thing wrong. He wasn't obnoxious, he wasn't offensive, he touched no one, he was only passionate about what he was saying and Kerry owed everyone there an answer. The real reason the cops surfaced is because we certainly don't want any young upstart questioning and embarrassing our politicians! The cops wouldn't get kickbacks if they let that happen.
That those assh***s mistreated that guy as they did warrants badge removal in my opinion. That that audience of inDUHviduals sat there and allowed that guy's rights to be trashed is a crime.
This video is an example of why so many people hate cops. Rightfully so.
glitter I am with you 100% on this and I say so from 2 yeah 2 separate incidents where I know the cops took each case to the extreme without using common sense. It's utter BS. They are breeding paranoia.
The cops wouldn't get kickbacks if they let that happen.That those assh***s mistreated that guy as they did warrants badge removal in my opinion. That that audience of inDUHviduals sat there and allowed that guy's rights to be trashed is a crime.
This video is an example of why so many people hate cops. Rightfully so.
glitter I am with you 100% on this and I say so from 2 yeah 2 separate incidents where I know the cops took each case to the extreme without using common sense. It's utter BS. They are breeding paranoia.
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Shweet tatersalad;696366 wrote: Darn right they were out of hand, that was uncalled for. i heard at least 3 times of that taser hitting him after he'd been detained, and that's undue force! There was no need for that at all. I'll try to avoid getting into a discussion on John Kerry, as this thread isn't about that LOL
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They were absolutely out of hand,perhaps they should wait for a weapon too be drawn from the assailant before they react. They can't
take that chance,some nut job starts losing his mind and they had too take care of the situation before it gets out of hand.IF he had pulled a 9mm and took a shot at someone,then this would a possible suit because the police did not act fast enough.at least this way no one got killed and the big mouth just wet his pants as they were frying his giblets.
Oh, for those who don't know me,I'm tater salad and I bring it.
They have to have reasonable cause to suspect that he was armed and might possibly draw a weapon. If this is not enforced then the police can shoot anyone they please saying they suspected that he might pull a gun.
Was there any evidence that he was armed? NO
Was there any evidence that he was about to pull a gun NO
With no reasonable cause to suspect he was about to use a weapon then there was no possible justification for the level of force used. Even if that evidence were there, there was no justification for continued use of the Tazer after he was subdued - especially after he'd been handcuffed.
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They were absolutely out of hand,perhaps they should wait for a weapon too be drawn from the assailant before they react. They can't
take that chance,some nut job starts losing his mind and they had too take care of the situation before it gets out of hand.IF he had pulled a 9mm and took a shot at someone,then this would a possible suit because the police did not act fast enough.at least this way no one got killed and the big mouth just wet his pants as they were frying his giblets.
Oh, for those who don't know me,I'm tater salad and I bring it.
They have to have reasonable cause to suspect that he was armed and might possibly draw a weapon. If this is not enforced then the police can shoot anyone they please saying they suspected that he might pull a gun.
Was there any evidence that he was armed? NO
Was there any evidence that he was about to pull a gun NO
With no reasonable cause to suspect he was about to use a weapon then there was no possible justification for the level of force used. Even if that evidence were there, there was no justification for continued use of the Tazer after he was subdued - especially after he'd been handcuffed.
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Shweet, I'm with ya 1000%.
I fully support arming the Miami cops with assault rifles but it's bleeding obvious that this kid was not a threat.
How would you react with four officers coming down on you for asking a passionate question of a politician?
WTF?
Don't give me a textbook marine answer.
Put yourself in his shoes.
You've done nothing wrong yet you were attacked by police officers.
How would you react?
I cooperate with officers any time they approach me, but if that happened?
I think I'd have the same reaction as that kid. wtf?
And as Chookie pointed out it was the f'ing Kerry people that called the shots!
No man. This is just not right.
And RG. Hoffman got dealt alot worse than that by the cops. But he was asking for it.
I fully support arming the Miami cops with assault rifles but it's bleeding obvious that this kid was not a threat.
How would you react with four officers coming down on you for asking a passionate question of a politician?
WTF?
Don't give me a textbook marine answer.
Put yourself in his shoes.
You've done nothing wrong yet you were attacked by police officers.
How would you react?
I cooperate with officers any time they approach me, but if that happened?
I think I'd have the same reaction as that kid. wtf?
And as Chookie pointed out it was the f'ing Kerry people that called the shots!
No man. This is just not right.
And RG. Hoffman got dealt alot worse than that by the cops. But he was asking for it.
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He deserved to be tasered. First, he went way beyond his time limit for asking questions. Second, he would not sit down or stop speaking when asked to do so. Third, he's bigger than the cops that tried to remove him peacefully from the room. Fourth, and most important, HE RESISTED ARREST.
I can't believe how much of the press is reporting this, going on about free speech etc., horsepucky, he forcibly resisted arrest. How else could he be restrained?
I can't believe how much of the press is reporting this, going on about free speech etc., horsepucky, he forcibly resisted arrest. How else could he be restrained?
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Easy- how many cops were there? One was at about 220-230 pounds and I am sure they could have taken him down and handcuffed him.
Cops love tasers. And I beg to differ with you on the taser thing because going over a time limit, asking improper questions, holding your hands up in the air as you're being arrested does NOT warrant being fried with a taser any more than it warrants a cop winging you with a bullet to "settle you down."
They didn't want Kerry embarrassed which is plainly obvious and his comfort is more important than this young guy who was doing just that.
That police force should be deeply ashamed. I just lost even more respect for police after seeing this.
Cops love tasers. And I beg to differ with you on the taser thing because going over a time limit, asking improper questions, holding your hands up in the air as you're being arrested does NOT warrant being fried with a taser any more than it warrants a cop winging you with a bullet to "settle you down."
They didn't want Kerry embarrassed which is plainly obvious and his comfort is more important than this young guy who was doing just that.
That police force should be deeply ashamed. I just lost even more respect for police after seeing this.
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'K. Reasons why he deserved to be tasered.
But we should have tried to talk to Iraq before we invaded them.
But we should have tried to talk to Iraq before we invaded them.
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RedGlitter;696441 wrote: Easy- how many cops were there? One was at about 220-230 pounds and I am sure they could have taken him down and handcuffed him.
Cops love tasers. And I beg to differ with you on the taser thing because going over a time limit, asking improper questions, holding your hands up in the air as you're being arrested does NOT warrant being fried with a taser any more than it warrants a cop winging you with a bullet to "settle you down."
They didn't want Kerry embarrassed which is plainly obvious and his comfort is more important than this young guy who was doing just that.
That police force should be deeply ashamed. I just lost even more respect for police after seeing this.
Initially there were only two cops, one a female and neither as big as the student. He resisted all attempts by these two cops who could not restrain him. He was tasered before the other cops were brought in. The initial cops did the right thing.
Cops love tasers. And I beg to differ with you on the taser thing because going over a time limit, asking improper questions, holding your hands up in the air as you're being arrested does NOT warrant being fried with a taser any more than it warrants a cop winging you with a bullet to "settle you down."
They didn't want Kerry embarrassed which is plainly obvious and his comfort is more important than this young guy who was doing just that.
That police force should be deeply ashamed. I just lost even more respect for police after seeing this.
Initially there were only two cops, one a female and neither as big as the student. He resisted all attempts by these two cops who could not restrain him. He was tasered before the other cops were brought in. The initial cops did the right thing.
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Lon;696450 wrote: Initially there were only two cops, one a female and neither as big as the student. He resisted all attempts by these two cops who could not restrain him. He was tasered before the other cops were brought in. The initial cops did the right thing.
No! Watch again there were 6 cops around him when he was tasered.
No! Watch again there were 6 cops around him when he was tasered.
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Lon;696435 wrote: He deserved to be tasered. First, he went way beyond his time limit for asking questions. Second, he would not sit down or stop speaking when asked to do so. Third, he's bigger than the cops that tried to remove him peacefully from the room. Fourth, and most important, HE RESISTED ARREST.
I can't believe how much of the press is reporting this, going on about free speech etc., horsepucky, he forcibly resisted arrest. How else could he be restrained?
A short while ago a known Muslim activist entered an open question and answer session hosted by Jack Straw, then Home Secretary in the Blair government.
After five minutes of haranguing Mr Straw he was removed by security. Had he been hurt during this removal there would have been serious consequences for the security personnel as the only "violence" he was offering was verbal - had they started roughing him up they would have been guilty of assault and he would have been justified in defending himself.
Personally, I'm glad that I live in a country where people are free to state their views without fear of violent reprisal.
I can't believe how much of the press is reporting this, going on about free speech etc., horsepucky, he forcibly resisted arrest. How else could he be restrained?
A short while ago a known Muslim activist entered an open question and answer session hosted by Jack Straw, then Home Secretary in the Blair government.
After five minutes of haranguing Mr Straw he was removed by security. Had he been hurt during this removal there would have been serious consequences for the security personnel as the only "violence" he was offering was verbal - had they started roughing him up they would have been guilty of assault and he would have been justified in defending himself.
Personally, I'm glad that I live in a country where people are free to state their views without fear of violent reprisal.
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Shweet tatersalad;696366 wrote: Darn right they were out of hand, that was uncalled for. i heard at least 3 times of that taser hitting him after he'd been detained, and that's undue force! There was no need for that at all. I'll try to avoid getting into a discussion on John Kerry, as this thread isn't about that LOL
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They were absolutely out of hand,perhaps they should wait for a weapon too be drawn from the assailant before they react. They can't
take that chance,some nut job starts losing his mind and they had too take care of the situation before it gets out of hand.IF he had pulled a 9mm and took a shot at someone,then this would a possible suit because the police did not act fast enough.at least this way no one got killed and the big mouth just wet his pants as they were frying his giblets.
Oh, for those who don't know me,I'm tater salad and I bring it.
Bring it all ya want tater salad, cause what you're bringing is nonsense. This guy was doing what he was supposed to be doing during an OPEN question forum, after he'd been selected to ask a question. He was not at all out of control BEFORE those campus police took hold of him. He simply told them he was going to ask his question, which was his right! John Kerry was actually going to ask the question. To assume that every damn person has a weapon is ridiculous, and it borders on profiling. He appeared to me to be a passionate person who wanted something explained. Does caring about the state of politics make us criminals??? I think not, and for you to say he was "losing his mind" goes beyond me, because the only control lost in that video was that on the part of those police!
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They were absolutely out of hand,perhaps they should wait for a weapon too be drawn from the assailant before they react. They can't
take that chance,some nut job starts losing his mind and they had too take care of the situation before it gets out of hand.IF he had pulled a 9mm and took a shot at someone,then this would a possible suit because the police did not act fast enough.at least this way no one got killed and the big mouth just wet his pants as they were frying his giblets.
Oh, for those who don't know me,I'm tater salad and I bring it.
Bring it all ya want tater salad, cause what you're bringing is nonsense. This guy was doing what he was supposed to be doing during an OPEN question forum, after he'd been selected to ask a question. He was not at all out of control BEFORE those campus police took hold of him. He simply told them he was going to ask his question, which was his right! John Kerry was actually going to ask the question. To assume that every damn person has a weapon is ridiculous, and it borders on profiling. He appeared to me to be a passionate person who wanted something explained. Does caring about the state of politics make us criminals??? I think not, and for you to say he was "losing his mind" goes beyond me, because the only control lost in that video was that on the part of those police!
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Lon;696435 wrote: He deserved to be tasered. First, he went way beyond his time limit for asking questions. Second, he would not sit down or stop speaking when asked to do so. Third, he's bigger than the cops that tried to remove him peacefully from the room. Fourth, and most important, HE RESISTED ARREST.
I can't believe how much of the press is reporting this, going on about free speech etc., horsepucky, he forcibly resisted arrest. How else could he be restrained?
He did not resist arrest! The speaker of the situation wasn't telling him he was over his time limit, he was allowing the question. I simply cannot believe that people can look at that video and claim this guy was handled properly. What has become of us that we so easily give up our own rights?? And it's clear the force used was excessive, as it shouldn't take 4 taser-shots IN A ROW!
I can't believe how much of the press is reporting this, going on about free speech etc., horsepucky, he forcibly resisted arrest. How else could he be restrained?
He did not resist arrest! The speaker of the situation wasn't telling him he was over his time limit, he was allowing the question. I simply cannot believe that people can look at that video and claim this guy was handled properly. What has become of us that we so easily give up our own rights?? And it's clear the force used was excessive, as it shouldn't take 4 taser-shots IN A ROW!
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ThePheasant;696452 wrote: No! Watch again there were 6 cops around him when he was tasered.
Bump.
Mystery;696456 wrote: This guy was doing what he was supposed to be doing during an OPEN question forum, after he'd been selected to ask a question.
This particular forum had a one minute per question limit.
He obviously went over his time.
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Bump.
Mystery;696456 wrote: This guy was doing what he was supposed to be doing during an OPEN question forum, after he'd been selected to ask a question.
This particular forum had a one minute per question limit.
He obviously went over his time.
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Bryn Mawr;696454 wrote: A short while ago a known Muslim activist entered an open question and answer session hosted by Jack Straw, then Home Secretary in the Blair government.
After five minutes of haranguing Mr Straw he was removed by security. Had he been hurt during this removal there would have been serious consequences for the security personnel as the only "violence" he was offering was verbal - had they started roughing him up they would have been guilty of assault and he would have been justified in defending himself.
Personally, I'm glad that I live in a country where people are free to state their views without fear of violent reprisal.
And we call ourselves "the Land of the Free." I think freedom might be in the eye of the beholder too. Some are freer than others.
After five minutes of haranguing Mr Straw he was removed by security. Had he been hurt during this removal there would have been serious consequences for the security personnel as the only "violence" he was offering was verbal - had they started roughing him up they would have been guilty of assault and he would have been justified in defending himself.
Personally, I'm glad that I live in a country where people are free to state their views without fear of violent reprisal.
And we call ourselves "the Land of the Free." I think freedom might be in the eye of the beholder too. Some are freer than others.
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JacksDad;696458 wrote: Bump.
This particular forum had a one minute per question limit.
He obviously went over his time.
:sneaky:
:D
But the speaker (it just pains me to even talk about the man) wasn't complaining about it, and in fact has made statements that he wanted to answer the question.
This particular forum had a one minute per question limit.
He obviously went over his time.
:sneaky:
:D
But the speaker (it just pains me to even talk about the man) wasn't complaining about it, and in fact has made statements that he wanted to answer the question.
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Mystery;696463 wrote:
But the speaker (it just pains me to even talk about the man) wasn't complaining about it, and in fact has made statements that he wanted to answer the question.
And Kerry (no comment) OK'd the question.
Best article to date.
With opinions.
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The person in front of Meyer was told he would be the last person to speak, Orlando said. Meyer said he was upset with that, so Kerry gave him the OK.
When he took the microphone, Meyer asked Kerry several questions. On amateur video linked from Meyer's website, his questions included why Kerry conceded in the 2004 presidential election, why not impeach President Bush now and whether Kerry was a member of the Skull and Bones secret society at Yale University.
When reminded that he was only supposed to ask one question, Meyer responded in the video, ``He's talked for two hours. I think I can have two minutes.''
''He had used his allotted time. His microphone was cut off then he became upset,'' Orlando said.
Read this article.
But the speaker (it just pains me to even talk about the man) wasn't complaining about it, and in fact has made statements that he wanted to answer the question.
And Kerry (no comment) OK'd the question.
Best article to date.
With opinions.
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The person in front of Meyer was told he would be the last person to speak, Orlando said. Meyer said he was upset with that, so Kerry gave him the OK.
When he took the microphone, Meyer asked Kerry several questions. On amateur video linked from Meyer's website, his questions included why Kerry conceded in the 2004 presidential election, why not impeach President Bush now and whether Kerry was a member of the Skull and Bones secret society at Yale University.
When reminded that he was only supposed to ask one question, Meyer responded in the video, ``He's talked for two hours. I think I can have two minutes.''
''He had used his allotted time. His microphone was cut off then he became upset,'' Orlando said.
Read this article.
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I read the article and what happened is still wrong.
The idea that civil disobedience is justly handled by police assault is nuts.
The idea that civil disobedience is justly handled by police assault is nuts.
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RedGlitter;696471 wrote: I read the article and what happened is still wrong.
The idea that civil disobedience is justly handled by police assault is nuts.
No. You didn't read it.
Did the article say it was right?
"A few hours later, Machen (UF President J. Bernard Machen) met with reporters and said the university considers it ''fundamental'' to provide a setting where ''civil discourse'' can happen.
He added that ``the incident that occurred yesterday was regretful for us because civil discourse and dialogue did not occur.''
The idea that civil disobedience is justly handled by police assault is nuts.
No. You didn't read it.
Did the article say it was right?
"A few hours later, Machen (UF President J. Bernard Machen) met with reporters and said the university considers it ''fundamental'' to provide a setting where ''civil discourse'' can happen.
He added that ``the incident that occurred yesterday was regretful for us because civil discourse and dialogue did not occur.''
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JacksDad;696465 wrote: And Kerry (no comment) OK'd the question.
Best article to date.
With opinions.
UF student released, is mum after Tasering
The person in front of Meyer was told he would be the last person to speak, Orlando said. Meyer said he was upset with that, so Kerry gave him the OK.
When he took the microphone, Meyer asked Kerry several questions. On amateur video linked from Meyer's website, his questions included why Kerry conceded in the 2004 presidential election, why not impeach President Bush now and whether Kerry was a member of the Skull and Bones secret society at Yale University.
When reminded that he was only supposed to ask one question, Meyer responded in the video, ``He's talked for two hours. I think I can have two minutes.''
''He had used his allotted time. His microphone was cut off then he became upset,'' Orlando said.
Read this article.
And Kerry actually called it a good discussion and regretted that it happened (lord I hate to admit he was right in that).
Anyway, I did read the article, and I think if the question would have been allowed, civil discourse and dialogue could have occured. There is just nothing, unless the video leaves out something else important, that could convince me these officers were justified in the use of such force. As Bryn pointed out earlier, there was nothing to suggest the kid was intent on causing harm or had a weapon. Every single day in any type of public forum/march/protest/etc. people are overcome by the strong emotions they feel surrounding whatever topic is at hand. That, in and of itslef, should never be a reason for police going to that level.
If something like this happened, based on something so small, I simply cannot wait to see the outcome of the humongous rally planned in a community near me scheduled for Thursday in support of the "Jena 6".
Best article to date.
With opinions.
UF student released, is mum after Tasering
The person in front of Meyer was told he would be the last person to speak, Orlando said. Meyer said he was upset with that, so Kerry gave him the OK.
When he took the microphone, Meyer asked Kerry several questions. On amateur video linked from Meyer's website, his questions included why Kerry conceded in the 2004 presidential election, why not impeach President Bush now and whether Kerry was a member of the Skull and Bones secret society at Yale University.
When reminded that he was only supposed to ask one question, Meyer responded in the video, ``He's talked for two hours. I think I can have two minutes.''
''He had used his allotted time. His microphone was cut off then he became upset,'' Orlando said.
Read this article.
And Kerry actually called it a good discussion and regretted that it happened (lord I hate to admit he was right in that).
Anyway, I did read the article, and I think if the question would have been allowed, civil discourse and dialogue could have occured. There is just nothing, unless the video leaves out something else important, that could convince me these officers were justified in the use of such force. As Bryn pointed out earlier, there was nothing to suggest the kid was intent on causing harm or had a weapon. Every single day in any type of public forum/march/protest/etc. people are overcome by the strong emotions they feel surrounding whatever topic is at hand. That, in and of itslef, should never be a reason for police going to that level.
If something like this happened, based on something so small, I simply cannot wait to see the outcome of the humongous rally planned in a community near me scheduled for Thursday in support of the "Jena 6".
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JacksDad;696473 wrote: No. You didn't read it.
Did the article say it was right?
"A few hours later, Machen (UF President J. Bernard Machen) met with reporters and said the university considers it ''fundamental'' to provide a setting where ''civil discourse'' can happen.
He added that ``the incident that occurred yesterday was regretful for us because civil discourse and dialogue did not occur.''
Yes. I did read it.
I wasn't talking about whether the article stated it was right. I was referring to the discussion and whether or not we think it's right.
Did the article say it was right?
"A few hours later, Machen (UF President J. Bernard Machen) met with reporters and said the university considers it ''fundamental'' to provide a setting where ''civil discourse'' can happen.
He added that ``the incident that occurred yesterday was regretful for us because civil discourse and dialogue did not occur.''
Yes. I did read it.
I wasn't talking about whether the article stated it was right. I was referring to the discussion and whether or not we think it's right.
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Mystery;696483 wrote: And Kerry actually called it a good discussion and regretted that it happened (lord I hate to admit he was right in that).
Anyway, I did read the article, and I think if the question would have been allowed, civil discourse and dialogue could have occured. There is just nothing, unless the video leaves out something else important, that could convince me these officers were justified in the use of such force. As Bryn pointed out earlier, there was nothing to suggest the kid was intent on causing harm or had a weapon. Every single day in any type of public forum/march/protest/etc. people are overcome by the strong emotions they feel surrounding whatever topic is at hand. That, in and of itslef, should never be a reason for police going to that level.
If something like this happened, based on something so small, I simply cannot wait to see the outcome of the humongous rally planned in a community near me scheduled for Thursday in support of the "Jena 6".
Yes.
Thank You.
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Anyway, I did read the article, and I think if the question would have been allowed, civil discourse and dialogue could have occured. There is just nothing, unless the video leaves out something else important, that could convince me these officers were justified in the use of such force. As Bryn pointed out earlier, there was nothing to suggest the kid was intent on causing harm or had a weapon. Every single day in any type of public forum/march/protest/etc. people are overcome by the strong emotions they feel surrounding whatever topic is at hand. That, in and of itslef, should never be a reason for police going to that level.
If something like this happened, based on something so small, I simply cannot wait to see the outcome of the humongous rally planned in a community near me scheduled for Thursday in support of the "Jena 6".
Yes.
Thank You.
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well for what its worth,they let him go too his Daddy,Overnight is a long time too go with out his grey poupon.
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Shweet tatersalad;696538 wrote: well for what its worth,they let him go too his Daddy,Overnight is a long time too go with out his grey poupon.
You appear to be happy to live in a police state where speaking out of turn justifies a beating and assault with a dangerous weapon.
Personally, I prefer to live in a civilized society where it is acceptable to criticize those in authority without fear of retribution and I am relieved to see that most of the Americans on this board agree.
One question, if I may? If yo believe that the police were justified on the grounds that he might just have had a gun on him and, if so, could possibly have used it, would the police also be justified in shooting every overweight person wearing a jacket on the grounds that they might possibly have a bomb strapped beneath it?
You appear to be happy to live in a police state where speaking out of turn justifies a beating and assault with a dangerous weapon.
Personally, I prefer to live in a civilized society where it is acceptable to criticize those in authority without fear of retribution and I am relieved to see that most of the Americans on this board agree.
One question, if I may? If yo believe that the police were justified on the grounds that he might just have had a gun on him and, if so, could possibly have used it, would the police also be justified in shooting every overweight person wearing a jacket on the grounds that they might possibly have a bomb strapped beneath it?
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Bryn Mawr;696578 wrote: You appear to be happy to live in a police state where speaking out of turn justifies a beating and assault with a dangerous weapon.
Personally, I prefer to live in a civilized society where it is acceptable to criticize those in authority without fear of retribution and I am relieved to see that most of the Americans on this board agree.
One question, if I may? If yo believe that the police were justified on the grounds that he might just have had a gun on him and, if so, could possibly have used it, would the police also be justified in shooting every overweight person wearing a jacket on the grounds that they might possibly have a bomb strapped beneath it?
All I'm saying that in this day and age,you must act before it's too late.waiting too react can have non-reversible outcomes.better safe than sorry.
Personally, I prefer to live in a civilized society where it is acceptable to criticize those in authority without fear of retribution and I am relieved to see that most of the Americans on this board agree.
One question, if I may? If yo believe that the police were justified on the grounds that he might just have had a gun on him and, if so, could possibly have used it, would the police also be justified in shooting every overweight person wearing a jacket on the grounds that they might possibly have a bomb strapped beneath it?
All I'm saying that in this day and age,you must act before it's too late.waiting too react can have non-reversible outcomes.better safe than sorry.
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Better safe for who? Since when do we place one segment of the population (cops) above and beyond the civilian segment? I understand the risk. But I also understand abuse of power and trigger fingers.
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Just read this at imao.us
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Posted by Frank J. at 05:02 PM
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"Don't taser me, bro!"
Tzzzzzzt!
If only he had the presence of mind afterwards to shout, "Now you see the violence inherent in the system!"
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"Don't taser me, bro!"
Tzzzzzzt!
If only he had the presence of mind afterwards to shout, "Now you see the violence inherent in the system!"
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Shweet tatersalad;696651 wrote: All I'm saying that in this day and age,you must act before it's too late.waiting too react can have non-reversible outcomes.better safe than sorry.
You failed to answer the question, if you must act before it's too late then I presume that you believe that it's OK to shoot all overweight people in jackets as, by the time you find out they've a bomb underneath, it's too late.
All you are saying is that the police / government should be able to do anything they like - they can always claim suspicion afterwards.
The authorities must be accountable for every action they take and they must be able to justify it under the same laws as apply to normal citizens. Tasering an unarmed man after he has been handcuffed, for the "crime" of asking an unwelcome question cannot be justified.
Beat the **** out of them first and ask questions later has no place in any civilized country and America should not demean itself by sinking to that level. You have a more honourable heritage than that, live up to it!
You failed to answer the question, if you must act before it's too late then I presume that you believe that it's OK to shoot all overweight people in jackets as, by the time you find out they've a bomb underneath, it's too late.
All you are saying is that the police / government should be able to do anything they like - they can always claim suspicion afterwards.
The authorities must be accountable for every action they take and they must be able to justify it under the same laws as apply to normal citizens. Tasering an unarmed man after he has been handcuffed, for the "crime" of asking an unwelcome question cannot be justified.
Beat the **** out of them first and ask questions later has no place in any civilized country and America should not demean itself by sinking to that level. You have a more honourable heritage than that, live up to it!
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Shweet tatersalad;696651 wrote: All I'm saying that in this day and age,you must act before it's too late.waiting too react can have non-reversible outcomes.better safe than sorry.
I see that kind of attitude breeding paranoia.
I see that kind of attitude breeding paranoia.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
• Mae West
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Shweet tatersalad;696651 wrote: All I'm saying that in this day and age,you must act before it's too late.waiting too react can have non-reversible outcomes.better safe than sorry.
Hey Shweet, you need to watch the movie "Minority Report"
Hey Shweet, you need to watch the movie "Minority Report"
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Okay, I've been wondering what this thread was about, stayed away from it because of the word "taser"....but I grew a set and watched the video....
my opinion...He was out of order, no it wasn't right for the police to taser him and take him into custody, but he was making a speech when he was to be asking a question, there was never a pause for a question to be answered. He had an agenda and the police knew this. NO, it wasn't right...but how else were they going to stop him from going on and on? They could've asked him nicely?
Please understand that I'm not a Kerry fan, and I didn't like what this kid had to say either....but the fact is, that he was out of order. He wasn't being quiet about anything...and was making a total scene....as for resisting arrest, he did run from the police and they grabbed his shirt. I totally disagree with the tasering.
my opinion...He was out of order, no it wasn't right for the police to taser him and take him into custody, but he was making a speech when he was to be asking a question, there was never a pause for a question to be answered. He had an agenda and the police knew this. NO, it wasn't right...but how else were they going to stop him from going on and on? They could've asked him nicely?
Please understand that I'm not a Kerry fan, and I didn't like what this kid had to say either....but the fact is, that he was out of order. He wasn't being quiet about anything...and was making a total scene....as for resisting arrest, he did run from the police and they grabbed his shirt. I totally disagree with the tasering.