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I think a thread of great British notions is in order.

This is the Fairey Rotodyne and the world would have been a more amusing place if it hadn't been scrapped. It worked perfectly well.



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One word spot.



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It doesn't even scare you they actually got that far? A drawing in a Dan Dare strip maybe, but that's a full-scale working prototype.

Here's another. Built by the Canadians but the designer was British, John Frost, chief designer on de Havilland's supersonic research during WW2.

Ladies and Gentlemen - the Avrocar.



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I knew there was no such thing as aliens. It was the government all along. :sneaky:

Your finances are not the only thing they like to probe. :lips:
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Where we lead the Americans eventually catch up.

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Osprey_ ... q_999.html

then there's this of course

http://www.discoverychannel.co.uk/machi ... ndex.shtml

Not to mention the jet engine itself.

Actually in the interests making it more difficult try and think of things that weren't great British notions
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This is a slight momentary shift of pace but the thread title still applies. It struck me that there's a particular snapshot in my mind of the British at their best and I've actually found a copy of it on youtube as well, much to my surprise.

So, what it involves is a layering of messages between places and times. Once there was an odd song by an American group which may or may not have had an underlying meaning, it would take someone from that time and place to explain whether it had. It was titled "Go West". It was picked up by a UK band, the Pet Shop Boys, who turned it upside down into a coming-of-age requiem tying utopian idealism and HIV, not a meld that would normally spring to mind. I think bands offer a moment to a crowd sometimes, and the crowd takes it, and from then on the song carries those realized implications through the years. I can think back seven years to hearing them close their Glastonbury set with it That's one of the places and times.

The other was a couple of years ago and I wasn't there, I only saw the broadcast and that's what I've found on youtube. Of all places in the world, they managed to sing Go West in a Red Square packed with Russians who obviously knew it and belted it out enthusiastically. That's the "British at their best" moment I'm trying to get to. It's a song with huge resonance, Red Square is central to what it meant from the moment they adopted it, and here they are singing it in the context of a Live 8 concert. How so many things can manage to all come together into a single clip I can't imagine, it ought to bring tears to your eyes.

If you do watch it, there's a couple of bars focused on Dawne Adams' drumming. There are several drummers who can enthrall an audience and she's one of them - like Terge Isungset does, to name another. If she does a solo UK tour someday I'll try very hard to get to it.





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I figured this thread was started by Spot to bait Americans into starting a America and proud of it thread so he could prove that almost everything was invented by the British.:wah:

I'm going to help Spot out here, A British scientist has discovered a way to levitate small objects.



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Anyone remember Professor Laithwaite demonstrating magnetic levitation with a modle train on "Tomorrows world", in the late 1960s.

He was never supported and indeed his idea was scoffed at by many at the time. Now the Japanese have the "Maglev", train using that exact technology. What a shame no one here gave the inventor a bit of encoragement and support at the time. What a wast of fine British talent:thinking:
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YZGI;676237 wrote: so he could prove that almost everything was invented by the British.:wah:




Close...but not quite ...

Here's the real story :



How the Scots Invented the Modern World: the True Story of How Western Europe's Poorest Nation Created Our World and Everything in It

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Richard Bell;676266 wrote: Close...but not quite ...



Here's the real story :





How the Scots Invented the Modern World: the True Story of How Western Europe's Poorest Nation Created Our World and Everything in It



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Richard Bell;676266 wrote: Close...but not quite ...

Here's the real story :



How the Scots Invented the Modern World: the True Story of How Western Europe's Poorest Nation Created Our World and Everything in It

http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/disp ... 0609606353


Actually I know all that but it seemed a bit churlish to mention it.
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joesoap;676250 wrote: Anyone remember Professor Laithwaite demonstrating magnetic levitation with a modle train on "Tomorrows world", in the late 1960s.

He was never supported and indeed his idea was scoffed at by many at the time. Now the Japanese have the "Maglev", train using that exact technology. What a shame no one here gave the inventor a bit of encoragement and support at the time. What a wast of fine British talent:thinking:He reminded me in many ways of Sir Fred Hoyle. Yes, I remember the aluminium tray that he'd shoot off like a bullet across the studio - goodness knows how he was allowed. I bet he just didn't tell people first what it was going to do. I'm sure he could take out internal walls with it.

He had a thing about gyroscopes too.

That's my excuse to link to The Brennan Gyro-Monorail which "was 40 feet long and weighed 22 tons, and was designed to carry 10 tons. Speed on the level was 22 mph. The vehicle was balanced by two vertical gyroscopes mounted side by side, and spinning in opposite directions at 3000 rpm. Each gyroscope was 3.5 feet in diameter and weighed 3/4 of a ton each."

This is in 1909. It's huge, and it runs on a single rail, and it doesn't fall over, and it worked!

For some reason we didn't use this either. Think how different the world would be if we had done.

It's terrifying just to look at the photos.
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Did anyone mention Folk Rock?

I have an appointment with a field, and with a well brought up daughter who has spent most of her second Sunday in Augusts there since birth and who wants to do it again.

I'll be back on Sunday evening.



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spot;675623 wrote: I think a thread of great British notions is in order.

This is the Fairey Rotodyne and the world would have been a more amusing place if it hadn't been scrapped. It worked perfectly well.






Question is ( british ) part of the anti-christ that reavelation speaks about just wondering ?
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Daniyal;916577 wrote: Question is ( british ) part of the anti-christ that reavelation speaks about just wondering ?


Daniyal, what you're doing with Revelations is interpreting the words from then from the facts of now. The writer of Revelations wasn't writing about now, he was writing about what he knew in his own day. There are no prophetic seers. If there were prophetic seers then we'd not have a Stock Exchange, the world would be owned lock stock and barrel by the prophetic seers instead. It's an inbuilt rule of existence that the future's what you make it.
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Daniyal;916577 wrote: Question is ( british ) part of the anti-christ that reavelation speaks about just wondering ?


If jesus is the son of god and god is the only one and so has no sisters then how can jesus have an anti christ? When did americans start spelling auntie anti? We have an auntie beeb but i think she's fairly harmless although mary whitehouse might disagree. She had her own pornymag at one time, called whitehouse magazine, whose content would surprise many as it's very different from what a whitehouse magazine in the states would contain indeed it would have had the bible belt spluttering in their coffee and accusations of being disrespectful to the good old us of a even if the whitehouse in question had no connection whatsoever to the one in washington apart from the rather tenuous one that it was our fault you had to whitewash it in the first place. Just imagine if we'd been any good at burning things to the ground. I dare say the irony of it being in a late georgian style is completely missed. Course the british all got forced to live in wales by the romans and everybody else that followed them but retaliate regularly by setting fire to the houses of the english settlers. Now if any of them (the welsh that is) had been there that day the job might have been done properly and the whitehouse rebuilt in a neo colonial style more fitting to the nature of the occupant but just as ironic.

Course it was the british that made talking drivel in to the art form that conspiracy theorists never quite manage to do properly.

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gmc;917188 wrote: If jesus is the son of god and god is the only one and so has no sisters then how can jesus have an anti christ? When did americans start spelling auntie anti? We have an auntie beeb but i think she's fairly harmless although mary whitehouse might disagree. She had her own pornymag at one time, called whitehouse magazine, whose content would surprise many as it's very different from what a whitehouse magazine in the states would contain indeed it would have had the bible belt spluttering in their coffee and accusations of being disrespectful to the good old us of a even if the whitehouse in question had no connection whatsoever to the one in washington apart from the rather tenuous one that it was our fault you had to whitewash it in the first place. Just imagine if we'd been any good at burning things to the ground. I dare say the irony of it being in a late georgian style is completely missed. Course the british all got forced to live in wales by the romans and everybody else that followed them but retaliate regularly by setting fire to the houses of the english settlers. Now if any of them (the welsh that is) had been there that day the job might have been done properly and the whitehouse rebuilt in a neo colonial style more fitting to the nature of the occupant but just as ironic.

Course it was the british that made talking drivel in to the art form that conspiracy theorists never quite manage to do properly.

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Daniyal;917320 wrote: There Hasn't Been Anyone Able To Prove Jesus Ever To Have Existed . So That Has Nothing To Do With The Question / Anti -Christ .


How would you demonstrate that Pocahontas ever existed?
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spot;916775 wrote: Daniyal, what you're doing with Revelations is interpreting the words from then from the facts of now. The writer of Revelations wasn't writing about now, he was writing about what he knew in his own day. There are no prophetic seers. If there were prophetic seers then we'd not have a Stock Exchange, the world would be owned lock stock and barrel by the prophetic seers instead. It's an inbuilt rule of existence that the future's what you make it.


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Daniyal;917326 wrote: But Like You Said Your Belief / Religion Was Made UpWhat I actually said was that Christianity works as a practical spiritual exercise. I have no belief that I'm aware of. What I do is Christianity.
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Daniyal;917320 wrote: There Hasn't Been Anyone Able To Prove Jesus Ever To Have Existed . So That Has Nothing To Do With The Question / Anti -Christ .


If he never existed then there is no such thing as an anti-christ so your question is even more nonsensical. In any case how did this get in to a thread about british and proud of it-unless of course you fall for the hoary old chestnut that god is an englishman.
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Although it's been said that many games resembling soccer/football have taken place in other countries(China, and Japan I believe) I don't think the game itself as played the way it is today could be given credibility as to it's origination to any other culture than that of the British...

I've read the first ever soccer/football game as it is played today was played between England and Scotland...Is this true?...

I have an article written from America from which the game of soccer/football is referred to as soccer so I'll have it be known that I've edited every illustration of the article referring the game of soccer/football to soccer, to soccer/football...

WAS THIS HOW SOCCER/FOOTBALL WAS INTRODUCED - THE ORIGINS & HISTORY OF THE GREAT GAME

Many different cultures have played a sport similar to the modern game of soccer/football but no one can really say with any certainty when or where soccer/football began but it is known that the earlier variations of what later became soccer/football were played almost 3000 years ago.

One of the earliest forms of soccer/football in which players kicked a ball around on a small field has been traced as far back to 1004 B.C. in Japan. The Munich Ethnological Museum in Germany has a Chinese text from approximately 50 B.C. that mentions games very similar to soccer/football that were played between teams from Japan and China. The Chinese kicked a leather ball ( hair-filled ) and it is known with certainty that a soccer/football game was played in 611 A.D. in the then Japanese capital, Kyoto.

The Romans played a game that somewhat resembled modern soccer/football. The early Olympic games in Rome featured twenty-seven men on a side who completed so vigorously that two-thirds of them had to be hospitalized after a fifty-minute game.

While historians kept records of events such as wars and religious movements they had very little interest in preserving the various origins of soccer/football or many other sports, so no one can say how soccer/football seems to have spread from Asia to Europe.

The most popular game on earth.

The King of Sports? Not according to King Edward.

In King Edward's reign of England (1307-1327), laws were passed that threatened imprisonment to anyone caught playing soccer/football. King Edward's proclamation said:" For as much as there is a great noise in the city caused by hustling over large balls, from which many evils may arise, which God forbid, we command and forbid on behalf of the King, on pain of imprisonment, such game to be used in the city future."

Evidently judged to be vulgar and indecent, soccer/football was at times suppressed by the English sheriffs who followed royal orders describing the game as a useless practice. King Henry IV and Henry VIII passed laws against the sport, and Queen Elizabeth I "had soccer/football players jailed for a week, with follow-up church penance"

Laws, however, failed to stop the sport, which had earned official sanction in England by 1681. The game became so popular by 1800s that, in certain annual contests in northern and middle England, large groups roamed and raged through towns and villages. In 1829, an account of such match in Derbyshire spoke of "broken skins, broken heads, torn coats and lost hats."

A record of the development of soccer/football in England shows that Eton college had the earliest known rules of the game in 1815, perhaps implying that until then, chaos was preferred over order. But order gradually came to the game, and standardized rules known as the Cambridge rules were adopted by England's major colleges.

At 1st, it was England where soccer/football was originally banned, that eventually exported modern soccer/football to every continent in the world. today, undisputedly soccer/football is the most watched and played sport in the world enjoyed by 8 million people. This past World cup, that took place in the united States was watched by an estimated 33 million people around the world for almost 27 days. This makes soccer, the most watched single sports event in the world not surpassed even by the Olympics. This sport is bigger than baseball, football and basketball combined.

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spot;917325 wrote: How would you demonstrate that Pocahontas ever existed?




What does Pocahontas Have To Do With Ja - Zeus Nothing ..As for Captain John Smith , Who care's
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gmc;917390 wrote: If he never existed then there is no such thing as an anti-christ so your question is even more nonsensical. In any case how did this get in to a thread about british and proud of it-unless of course you fall for the hoary old chestnut that god is an englishman.


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Daniyal;917593 wrote: What does Pocahontas Have To Do With Ja - Zeus Nothing ..As for Captain John Smith , Who care's


It's all a matter of the degree of proof you demand really, isn't it. We all of us qualify as "possibly" except you and me, and even you I'm none to sure about.
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spot;917609 wrote: It's all a matter of the degree of proof you demand really, isn't it. We all of us qualify as "possibly" except you and me, and even you I'm none to sure about.




The Diffrent Between You And I , Is You Rather Live A Lie And Make Up Things As You Go , Like I Have Said You Can't Prove Something That Never Exist .. As Far As

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Daniyal;917640 wrote: The Diffrent Between You And I , Is You Rather Live A Lie And Make Up Things As You Go , Like I Have Said You Can't Prove Something That Never Exist .. As Far As

John Smith He Was Just Another Criminal In Your History .


But you can't prove Pocahontas either, and she *did* exist. Maybe.
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spot;917713 wrote: But you can't prove Pocahontas either, and she *did* exist. Maybe.




That Doesn't Change That John Smith Was Just Another Criminal In Your History . Personaly I Careless If Ether One Of Them Existed So What Your Point .
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Daniyal;917776 wrote: That Doesn't Change That John Smith Was Just Another Criminal In Your History . Personaly I Careless If Ether One Of Them Existed So What Your Point .


That your "Anyone Able To Prove Jesus Ever Existed" has nothing to do with whether he existed or not. Once you get to a given distance the proofs all vanish. What's really insane is your "oh the Egyptians recorded everything so show us their record of Jesus/Moses" error. You can't be saying it thinking it's true, so why bother saying it?
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spot;917871 wrote: That your "Anyone Able To Prove Jesus Ever Existed" has nothing to do with whether he existed or not. Once you get to a given distance the proofs all vanish. What's really insane is your "oh the Egyptians recorded everything so show us their record of Jesus/Moses" error. You can't be saying it thinking it's true, so why bother saying it?




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Richard Bell;676266 wrote: Close...but not quite ...



Here's the real story :





How the Scots Invented the Modern World: the True Story of How Western Europe's Poorest Nation Created Our World and Everything in It



http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/disp ... 0609606353




Mention of Scotland and the Scots usually conjures up images of kilts, bagpipes, Scotch whisky, and golf



Yea...there is that but then theres also this.



Scotland is 'worst' small country

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Nomad;918920 wrote: Mention of Scotland and the Scots usually conjures up images of kilts, bagpipes, Scotch whisky, and golf



Yea...there is that but then theres also this.



Scotland is 'worst' small country

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/new_nav/rss_icon.gif


Can't see your link but no one said we were perfect. Vast numbers of scots went to tenessee and virginia-try and imagine a nation of educated rednecks, cultured, peace loving and generally well balanced individuals at peace with themselves and their fellow man. :thinking:
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We weren't the only ones capable of flights of genius, of course. Not at all.

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ROLLS-ROYCE

The very name is synonymous with luxury and quality, the best of its kind.

Frederick Henry Royce (1863 - 1933) and the Hon. Charles Stuart Rolls (1877 - 1910) merged their fledgling motor companies in 1904, and the Rolls-Royce was born. From the start, the Rolls-Royce was a prestigious luxury car, and the very first model cost £395 at a time when the average weekly wage was £1.

The Rolls-Royce radiator mascot "Spirit of Ecstasy" was designed by Charles Sykes in 1910, as "an expression of the motion felt when riding in the car." The Rolls-Royce "flying lady" is probably the best-known car mascot in the world.

The Hon. Charles Rolls was killed in a flying accident in Bournemouth, on July 11th, 1910, when his Wright Biplane crashed from little more than 20 feet, and Henry Royce died on April 22nd, 1933, after a long period of ill-health. Their cars, however, continue to be made to this day and although the men who created the legend are gone, their names live on.


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MISCELLANEOUS BRITISH INVENTIONS:

Henry Bessemer (1813 - 1898) took out a total of 117 patents: his name is immortalised in the Bessemer Converter, for producing steel, but he also invented many other things, amongst them the embossed stamp, cheap lead pencils, the spinning mortar shell and in 1869 an anti-seasickness device intended to stop ships from rolling in heavy seas. Unfortunately it also made them unsteerable and his prototype, the Bessemer, demolished the pier at Calais and was one of his rare failures.

The first sewing machine was patented by Thomas Saint in 1790, long after the knitting machine, invented by William Lee in 1589; in 1810 Peter Durand patented the food canning process (but the can OPENER was not invented until 1858, when Ezra J. Warner of Waterbury, Connecticut patented the first can opener for use by the U.S. military during the Civil War!)

John Logie Baird (1888 - 1946) is immortalised for his invention of Television (1926) but also worked on early developments in radar and fibre optics (1924/5).

Kirkpatrick MacMillan invented the pedal cycle 1839 (but failed to patent it!)

The world's first powered flight took place not in America in 1903, but at Chard in Somerset in 1848 by John Stringfellow with a flight of 10 yards.

Still in the field of transport, the first traffic light was installed outside the Houses of Parliament in 1868 to keep the large number of horse-drawn carriages in the area from colliding. Unfortunately, the gas-powered light blew up, killing a passing police officer and thus discouraging further experiments until 1926 when the first automatic traffic light was installed in Wolverhampton. (It remained in service until 1968.)

Charles Babbage (1791 - 1879) invented the Difference Engine, the first information processor and the precursor to the computer, thus launching a whole way of life. Although the idea was taken forward by American companies, Sir Clive Sinclair (1940 fl. 2000) invented the first affordable home computer, the Sinclair ZX80, which was launched in 1980 at a cost of £99.95 (0r £79 in kit form), followed in 1981 by the ZX81 at £69.95 or £49 in kit form. These prices compared favourably with £700 for the PET! Sir Clive has produced over 70 inventions, from pocket TVs (1966) to electric vehicles, including the innovative but ill-fated Sinclair C5 (1985)

James Dyson (1947 - fl. 2000) is another inventor in the grand British tradition. He started out his successful run with the Sea Truck amphibious vehicle (1970), the ball-barrow (1974), the Trolleyball boat trolley(1978), the Wheelboat (1983) and finally, resulting from a project begun in 1983 in the ballbarrow factory, the cyclone vacuum cleaner which bears his name (1993).

STILL MORE INVENTORS.......

John Smeaton (1724 - 1790) - hydraulic cement and the Eddystone lighthouse 1756

Humphry Davy (1778 - 1829) - miner's safety lamp 1815

Robert William Thomson (1822-1873) - pneumatic tyres 1845, spring-interior mattress 1873

Joseph Adamson - flush toilet 1853

Hubert Cecil Booth (1871-1955) - first working vacuum cleaner patented 1901

Alexander Fleming - penicillin 1928

Percy Shaw - cats-eyes 1934

Robert Watson-Watt (1892 - 1973) - perfected RADAR 1935-40

Dennis Gabon - holography 1947

Sir Christopher Cockerell (1910 - 1999) - hovercraft 1959

Eric Laithwite (1921-1997) - linear induction motor - early 1960s

Trevor Baylis (fl 2000) - clockwork radio 1995 and the clockwork torch (flashlight)

There are many, many more British inventions and discoveries which I have not recorded above. The list is almost endless. According to Japanese research figures, of all the patents granted throughout the world for new inventions in the last 50 years, 40% have been to inventors from the British Isles alone, and the trend continues.
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Google Earth is just amazing. The idea that this sort of function can be used by anyone for free is an encouraging pointer to the future.

I grabbed this from their imagery of three miles up the road from here.



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This one, for contrast, while it did actually take to the air, had the wrong sort of engine.

It's a Northrop YB-35.

It's sort of strange.

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jimbo;978100 wrote: wow thanks for posting spot i really thought that russian hovercraft was going to take of :):):)


It's not a hovercraft it's a ground effect vehicle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing-In-Gr ... ct_vehicle

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/briefs/187775-1.html

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This one, for contrast, while it did actually take to the air, had the wrong sort of engine.

It's a Northrop YB-35.

It's sort of strange.


Have a look at the B2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-2_Spirit

Spot the similarity? (no pun intended)
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I do, definitely. There's progress, eh?

The British and the Russians both wanted to strap wings to tanks to glide them onto battlefields, did you know that? The Russians even got as far as flying one. The pilot jumped out, I think. The tank created a lot of drag.
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Ah the tank. yet another british invention.

spot;978890 wrote: I do, definitely. There's progress, eh?

The British and the Russians both wanted to strap wings to tanks to glide them onto battlefields, did you know that? The Russians even got as far as flying one. The pilot jumped out, I think. The tank created a lot of drag.


The one that intrigued me was the germans were supposedly working on a flying saucer aircraft but the designs got nicked by the americans.

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