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The biggest threat to the west today by Muslim extremists. This threat casts a shodow not only over Europe, but over much of the globe. Yet terrorist activity is only the most dramatic aspect of a growing threat from the middle east. In recent decades, Europeans have watched with increasing alarm the resurgence of Islamic culture in their mist.

ISLAM is now the fastest growing religion in the world. Birth rates in Islamic countries are two or three times higher than Europeans. Muslims now comprise one-fifth of the world's population. High birth rates and lack of economic opportunities in many Islamic countries have propelled milliions of immigrants toward Europe and further West, even to the United States of America.

Many Westerners feel that "they are being invaded not by armies and tanks, but by migrants who speak other lannguages, worship other Gods, belong to other cultures, and, they fear, will take their jobs, occupy their land, live off the Social Security system, and threaten their way of life".

In Europe, these fears have fueled hostility toward Muslims and has generated support for right wing, nationalistic, anti-immigration political parties.

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Did you see that Mohamed is now in the top 10 for boys' names in the UK? That is pretty significant. Shows a cultural change happening.

The top name in Arizona was just announced: Jose. #1. That speaks volumes as well.
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capt_buzzard wrote: The biggest threat to the west today by Muslim extremists. This threat casts a shodow not only over Europe, but over much of the globe. Yet terrorist activity is only the most dramatic aspect of a growing threat from the middle east. In recent decades, Europeans have watched with increasing alarm the resurgence of Islamic culture in their mist.

ISLAM is now the fastest growing religion in the world. Birth rates in Islamic countries are two or three times higher than Europeans. Muslims now comprise one-fifth of the world's population. High birth rates and lack of economic opportunities in many Islamic countries have propelled milliions of immigrants toward Europe and further West, even to the United States of America.

Many Westerners feel that "they are being invaded not by armies and tanks, but by migrants who speak other lannguages, worship other Gods, belong to other cultures, and, they fear, will take their jobs, occupy their land, live off the Social Security system, and threaten their way of life".

In Europe, these fears have fueled hostility toward Muslims and has generated support for right wing, nationalistic, anti-immigration political parties.

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As most of you know, many of America's cities struggle with gangs. Here is a disturbing story I found coming out of Boston:

Eastie gang linked to al-Qaeda

By Michele McPhee

Wednesday, January 5, 2005

A burgeoning East Boston-based street gang made up of alleged rapists and machete-wielding robbers has been linked to the al-Qaeda terrorist network, prompting Boston police to ``turn up the heat'' on its members, the Herald has learned.



MS-13, which stands for La Mara Salvatrucha, is an extremely violent organization with roots in El Salvador, and boasts more than 100 ``hardcore members'' in East Boston who are suspected of brutal machete attacks, rapes and home invasions. There are hundreds more MS-13 gangsters in towns along the North Shore, said Boston police Sgt. Detective Joseph Fiandaca, who has investigated the gang since it began tagging buildings in Maverick Square in 1995.



In recent months, intelligence officials in Washington have warned national law enforcement agencies that al-Qaeda terrorists have been spotted with members of MS-13 in El Salvador, prompting concerns the gang may be smuggling Islamic fundamentalist terrorists into the country. Law enforcement officials have long believed that MS-13 controls alien smuggling routes along Mexico.



The warning is being taken seriously in East Boston, where Raed Hijazi, an al-Qaeda operative charged with training the suicide bombers in the attack on the USS Cole, lived and worked, prosecutors have charged.



Also, the commercial jets that hurtled into the World Trade Center towers in New York City were hijacked from Logan International Airport.



``The terrorist aspect, especially when you think in terms of 9/11 and how intent these terrorists are, will turn the heat up on our efforts with MS-13,'' Fiandaca said.



MS-13 members congregate near the Maverick Square train station sporting white and blue bandannas, their skin inked with spider webs and ``laugh now, cry later'' clown faces.



``MS-13 is the most dangerous gang in the area,'' Fiandaca said. ``They are big. They are mobile. Now they have a terrorist connection.''



The theory that Salvadoran criminals manage to smuggle people over the border was bolstered this month when two Boston men described as MS-13 leaders were spotted on the North Shore days before Christmas - a year after they were deported by Boston Homeland Security Immigration and Customs Enforcement investigators for gang-related crimes.



One of the two men, Elmer ``Tiger'' Tejada, 24, who had been deported after being convicted of a slew of crimes, including attempted murder charges for hurling a machete at Chelsea cops, was busted in Lynn on New Year's Day. Tejada is described as ``an original MS-13 member'' from East Boston, sources said.



A manhunt has been launched for the second fugitive, who is in the country illegally, Boston police said.



The growing number of MS-13 members, and the degree of violence the gang engages in, prompted investigators from 14 local and national agencies to form the North Shore Gang Intelligence task force in 2000, Fiandaca said.



Among the most notorious local crimes attributed to MS-13 was the gang rape of two deaf girls, one 14, the other 17, in a Somerville park in 2002. Three MS-13 gang members were charged in the brutal rapes, during which one victim was knocked from her wheelchair before the assault.
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I would deport them all.
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Wow all this threat of new invading cultures kind of gives us a feeling of just what the Native Americans felt a century ago.

We opened up our doors to multi culturalizim and voila we got it. Other than being a native american what exactly would an american or canadian be. I am classed as a second generation Canadian, canadian parents, but beyond that I hav 5 different cultural influences in my make up. We have many traditions and beliefs that stem from other continents.

Other than the crime I believe we should embrace new cultures and learn about them and accept them as just what they are, other people.
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While liberal Western leaders speak about toleration, negotiation and co-existence in a multicultural society, the realities of history point in the opposite direction. For nearly 1,400 years the relationship between Islam and Christendom, has been a stormy and bloody with conquests and re-conquests, massacres and reprisals. In the 600s, Muslim warriors swept out of the Middle East, across North Africa and into Europe, bent on conquest, to spread their religion at sword-point. Around 1100AD, European popes launched the crusades - armed attempts to re-conquer the Holy Land. Thousands of Knights "took the cross" and headed toward Jerusalem to fight battles 'for God". However, Muslim armies re-conquered these areas and went on to capture Constantinople, much of the Balkans and besiege Vienna. For nearly 1,000 years, Europe felt a constant threat from the Islamic world.

What many people do not seem to realize is that Islam and Western democracy are simply not compatible. Its an impossible union.

In a democracy, common people make laws, Islamic society derive their laws from their religion's holy book - the Koran. Leading Muslims today have said that the 'the root cause of contemporary ills in the west was the spread of democracy, and that 'Only Islam is the answer to this illness'.



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posted by capn buzzard

What many people do not seem to realize is that Islam and Western democracy are simply not compatible. Its an impossible union.

In a democracy, common people make laws, Islamic society derive their laws from their religion's holy book - the Koran. Leading Muslims today have said that the 'the root cause of contemporary ills in the west was the spread of democracy, and that 'Only Islam is the answer to this illness'.




How about it it's not compatable with christianity either. Our style of democracy owes more to romans greeks, vikings, celts than to christianity.

Both christianity and islam are hierarchical religons with authority being handed down from above and not questioned once decalaimed by the priests. Tribal european society was fairly egalitarian with kings being elected by acclamation rather than hereditary, our idea of parliament stems more from the viking althing, warrior societies where where every man had a right to speak and the best warriors had a say and could lead rather than those born to it.

It is I suggest no accident that the protestant reformation and refusal of the pope's authority and the belief that you should make up your own mind lies in that european cultural tradition and belief system rather than the foreign christian one.

I consider islam and christianity equally at fault when it comess to causing trouble. Both are selfish religons that want none but theirs in the world.
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