the REAL world of prison

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:06 pm

inmates like to throw semen and urine and feces on officers. it's a biohazard for people who are simply trying to do a thankless job. even blood...if i get blood on me i have to go to court for a release of HIV status of the person. then go to hospital and take a bunch of nauseating pills. prison rape....someone's watching too much OZ. most sexual alliances are consensual.

guppy · Post by **guppy** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:21 pm

i use to work in a prison lc. we had one inmate that kept getting himself in trouble. when he got sent to lockdown he would rub feces all over his body in protest. it was gross. had one inmate catch a bird somehow and killed it and rubbed blood and bird guts all over him. Prison rapes do occurr once in a while. esp. the younger weaker boys. seen that happen a few times. i have seen them jack off all over the walls where lady officers might have been leaning earlier. i am a rn. we had to be careful of the inmates. they would come in the sick room and have semen rubbed all over their arms because they knew we were going to take their blood pressure. We knew the rules explicitly. if we ever walked the prison yards we were to always call an officer and get an escort. one lady who had worked lock down for sixteen years and got lax, because she had been there so long and thought they would not hurt her. When she stopped to unlock a gate she got ambushed and raped before it could be stopped. this man was serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole. he could have cared less about getting into more trouble. it was very sad. .....I could tell you more stories but you get the drift. prison is not for the cream of society. The thing that got me was the affairs that kept going on with female officers and inmates. they kept getting caught , fired, and sentenced to jail time. I was never really scared to be in the prison but i never let my guard down either.

Uncle Kram · Post by **Uncle Kram** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:08 am

Blimey, you two are a couple of tough cookies. I wouldn't want to endure what you've had to put up with in your working lives. It's a whole new world for someone who's led a life as sheltered as mine. I guess the reality is a far cry from "Porridge" and I certainly couldn't work in that environment year in year out. It must have quite an impact on your personality.

Imladris · Post by **Imladris** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:53 am

My brother is a prison officer, he won't tell us most of the stuff that goes on but has recently been signed off with stress - two years of working on the segregation wing will do that to you.

One thing we know he had to face recently was a prisoner slitting his throat (in front of my bruv) - he nearly died. Not to mention the constant pressure of working with paedophiles, murderers etc and the most violent prisoners.

And also having the whole HIV/hepatitus thing when he was bitten a few months ago.

Horrible job - but thank goodness some people choose to do it!!

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 5:16 am

Kram, our sheriff required us to work the jail for at least 3 years before he let us out on the road...the stress levels caused a lot of illness among deputies. going on the street was a relief. it DOES have an impact on one's personality.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 5:36 am

Yes, in L.A. Sheriff's Department you must work the prision system for two years before being assigned another position. I have two brother-iin-laws who both went through their two years, before doing something else.

koan · Post by **koan** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 5:59 am

“Prisons have become the nation’s primary mental health facilities, said Jamie Fellner, director of Human Rights Watch’s U.S. Program and a co-author of the report. “But for those with serious illnesses, prison can be the worst place to be.

According to Human Rights Watch, the high rate of incarceration of the mentally ill is a consequence of underfunded, disorganized, and fragmented community mental health services. State and local governments have shut down mental health hospitals across the United States, but failed to provide adequate alternatives. Many people with mental illness – particularly those who are poor, homeless, or struggling with substance abuse problems – cannot get mental health treatment. If they commit a crime, even low-level nonviolent offenses, punitive sentencing laws mandate imprisonment.

“Unless you are wealthy, it can be next to impossible to receive mental health services in the community, said Fellner. “Many prisoners might never have ended up behind bars if publicly funded treatment had been available.

The Human Rights Watch report is based on more than two years of research and hundreds of interviews with prisoners, corrections officials, mental health experts and attorneys.

It describes prisoners who, because of their illness, rant and rave, babble incoherently, or huddle silently in their cells. They talk to invisible companions, living in worlds constructed of hallucinations. They lash out without provocation, beat their heads against cell walls, cover themselves with feces, mutilate themselves until their bodies are riddled with scars, and attempt suicide.

The Human Rights Watch report documents how prisoners with mental illness are likely to be picked on, physically or sexually abused, and manipulated by other inmates, who call them “bugs. For example, a prisoner in Georgia, who is both mentally ill and mildly retarded, has been raped repeatedly and exchanges sex for commissary items such as cigarettes and coffee.

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2003/10/22/usdom6472.htm

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:46 am

guppy;468485 wrote: [...]this man was serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole. he could have cared less about getting into more trouble. Now there's a reason for the death penalty vs life without parole. Shutting him out completely simply freed him to do as he wished. Like the old saying "what's the worst they can do?"

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:00 am

Novelty;468577 wrote: The prison are to overpopulated by cultural crimes that only exist due to our lack of care for the poor, these issues are far to big and difficult for this kind of intellect, over 60% of the prison population are incarcerated because of drugs, cocaine, heroin, alcohol, smack ect, sort out the real criminals who live in ivory towers and start caring for society and your people so that they don't breed murderers and thief's, give them education, hope and a brighter future, we spend more on prisons than we do on education, (60 billion dollars a year) as for working in a prison, you should only do it if you are strong enough of character and understand social problems.... what turned that blue eyed smiling baby into a animal who doesn't care?
I'd be very interested in discussing what I highlighted, Ian.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:25 am

Novelty;468592 wrote: Do you think this is wrong?

if so i'd like to know more......
I think it starts with the presumption that we should "care" for our poor, without defining what that is. That starts with the presumption that the poor, all the poor, are poor through no fault of their own. I would argue that most poor are poor through no effort of their own.

But it's really for another thread.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:05 am

per Acc's comment....i don't mind in the least what direction this discussion takes. it's all relevent.

guppy · Post by **guppy** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:36 am

Uncle Kram;468501 wrote: Blimey, you two are a couple of tough cookies. I wouldn't want to endure what you've had to put up with in your working lives. It's a whole new world for someone who's led a life as sheltered as mine. I guess the reality is a far cry from "Porridge" and I certainly couldn't work in that environment year in year out. It must have quite an impact on your personality.

This is why lc made the safety for women thread i am sure. you cannot tell good people from bad by looking at them. you learn that pretty quick by working with inmates. the most innocent jovial ones there turned out to be the cronic pedaphiles, rapers, and killers. Actually it is run by a very stict code of conduct among officers and staff. If you follow the rules implicitly you will make it. otherwise not. I will be honst, the biggest thing that made me sick is the high number of pedaphiles. Almost all of them molested and raped someone kin to them. They are the ones i dont think should ever be put back on the street but they typically got light sentences and were put back on the street within a few years. What it tells me ,is as a society, we dont place a very high value on the safety of our children.

here is a surprise, even among prisoners there is a code of conduct of what is acceptable. if the population ever found out another inmate was in prison for hurting a child, they systematically took it among themselves to make that inmate's life a living hell.

Shweet tatersalad · Post by **Shweet tatersalad** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:39 am

Oh I can't wait too see where this goes.

I know we have too do something about the problem.

Aswell the mentally challenged and the less fortunate( I hope these words are sufficient for our readers) that abuse the system.

I feel taking better care our beloved inmates is not the answer.

Perhaps make it less attractive too the outside.

I asked some one in another thread if they had any ideas,but The thread went cold.Like the food in prison should be.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:41 am

at least in our jail, people are in blocks with those of similar crimes...baby rapers/killers are in their own blocks. not exposed to other inmates. same with murderers. felons not with misdemeanor crimes. all inmates are classified before being placed in a block that is suitable. and the ones who are really in danger from other inmates have the option of protective custody, and the jail can also excercise that option.

guppy · Post by **guppy** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:43 am

novelty, being poor does not make a prisoner. some of the worst one's i saw actually come from very affluent families. being corrupt does not go with your financial level. It is something within these people to begin with. Work in a prison awhile and you will change every thought you ever had about what makes a man corrupt. There is often no ryme or reason to it. They just are.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:26 pm

Yikes no wonder I obey the law...

Here in California our prisons are so over crowded that we are now transfering some to other states that can house more.

guppy · Post by **guppy** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:12 pm

Novelty;468730 wrote: I thought i made it clear:-3

all sections of society commit crimes but it's the poor who get the longest sentences

what you say is the opposite of what i said:-2

I'll try to make myself more clearer next time.... sorry

well, that is true. the poor often serve their time. the rich buy thier way out of it. you know, it is all in who you know. i agree with you on this one.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:36 pm

public defenders usually do an excellent job. that being said...one of our most recent 1st degree murder convictions, justin barber, came from a 'good family'. and a serial armed rapist here was highly educated and personable with an excellent job and was raping women at gunpoint up and down the eastern seaboard, david shuey. the female that shot her little twin boys in their heads came from a wealthy family. leslie demeniuk. she's doing life.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 6:26 am

Novelty;469215 wrote: LC, what do you think about the evidence for mental health, brain damage and abuse from the family to be the root cause of the most serious crimes?

and what do you feel about the study of psychopaths, and their brain defect?i'm not qualified to answer psychiatric questions. i only know 2 things in re: your post...90% of all the crime i have witnessed has been drug-related. the etiology of that is unknown to me. as for psychopaths...there are many treatises on the matter, including these from a well-respected FBI profiler

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Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 6:55 am

Novelty;468730 wrote: I thought i made it clear:-3

all sections of society commit crimes but it's the poor who get the longest sentences

what you say is the opposite of what i said:-2

I'll try to make myself more clearer next time.... sorry
I don't know about the UK, but people that can't afford an attorney are provided one free of charge. Put another way, if you don't have the money to buy a good attorney, you get stuck with what you get.

I have long advocated a court-appointed attorney for all suspects, which should level the playing field. It's just not fair that some can have their pick of the crop, when the gov't never can.

It's like in a race, I'll ride a horse and I'll lend you a horse from my stables, unless you want to bring your own NASCAR entry!