isn't prostitution a disgrace to female woman?

johnny depp lover · Post by **johnny depp lover** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:47 pm

im sorry but i feel horrible that there are woman and girls out there having sex so that they can earn some money. most of them, given the choice wold be in a nice home but NOO they are out on the streets getting abused.

i am open for agreements or disagreements

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:57 pm

There are as many forms of prostitution as there are women, I suppose. In Nevada, where it's legal and carefully regulated, young women make college tuition money as prostitutes, for example. In other venues, addicts are using their bodies to support drug habits. I don't think we can safely generalize.

johnny depp lover · Post by **johnny depp lover** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:00 pm

i still think that it is horrible that some woman are out there having to make money that way:-1

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:03 pm

Is it the actual act which repels you? Or the fact that women are using their sexuality to make money? For example....telephone sex workers...do THEY make you sad? Or women who work in those rooms where men watch them strip? What about lap dancers?

There are many forms of sexual work.

I agree that it's a shame when women use prostituion as a last resort, but I don't agree that it's always shameful.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:10 pm

I don't think anyone should hold the choices of a few to be an expression for the majority. Quite simply it's their choice, and to say that this reflects upon females in general is wrong. There are plenty of guy prostitutes who piddle down the hershey highway of darkness, but I hardly see that as a statement on behalf of myself or anyone else who happens to be a male. Nothing more than exactly what it is, and that is purely perception.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:10 pm

johnny depp lover wrote: i still think that it is horrible that some woman are out there having to make money that way:-1

Street hookers who *have* to make money that way are one thing. Sad yes. And kids turning tricks to be able to live are also sad.

People who do it for their next fix are pathetic. That's not the same as sad.

As for prostitution because you like that life (some do, such as the Bunny Ranch in Nevada) or you want to earn big and fast money, to me, is different.

I couldn't do it myself but I won't fault a "clean" prostitute. I figure women have traded sex for keep for millennia. Why not get paid.

And quirky as it may be, I have a fascination for American prostitutes of the Old West. They gave a service for pay. I see nothing actually wrong with that, but again, I couldn't do it because I equate sex with love and doing a stranger, who may be disgusting to me, is not my bag.

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:12 pm

Well said, Glitter.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:14 pm

Thank you, Lulu.

And welcome, Johnny Depp Lover!

papaboo951 · Post by **papaboo951** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:45 pm

I've met several over the years that are happy and properous in their chosen profession. They have funneled monies into various investments and looking forward to early retirement. Some has ventured into different businesses, and have done well.

But like so many society approved ventures some have fallen/failed.

I don't feel it's a disgrace............it's just a choice.

Okie · Post by **Okie** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:44 pm

papaboo951 wrote: I've met several over the years that are happy and properous in their chosen profession. They have funneled monies into various investments and looking forward to early retirement. Some has ventured into different businesses, and have done well.

But like so many society approved ventures some have fallen/failed.

I don't feel it's a disgrace............it's just a choice.
I have met a few too and talked to them about it. I had a hard time believing some could actually be making money at it. But some very hard working at the job. One taxi driver told me he took one home to the rich part of town every night. I feel they do a service. If a man was not married and could not or would not chase girls and play the game then his choices are limited. He could go grab a girl and rape her or take care of himself or hire a woman who chooses to make her living at it. I do know a person takes a chance of getting robbed or worse if he meets the wrong one. And here in my town they have John TV. The law puts the man on tv if he is caught soliciting. I can see it causing trouble at home if he is married. I think that is one more thing they do is the things the wife will not do.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:54 pm

John TV? Grr. I don't like those stings. I do dislike the idea of a committed man using a prostitute and secretly hope he comes back diseased but other than that, I think it's everyone's personal business.

True about the danger. It's dangerous for the prostitute too though. I Probably not as dangerous in the Bunny Ranches but definitely when no one's looking out.

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:59 pm

Their body, their choice. Thats my view.

Adam Zapple · Post by **Adam Zapple** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:04 pm

I voted Yes - it is morally wrong imo. But I still think it should be legalized.

Rain · Post by **Rain** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:08 pm

Not all of it is a choice. The 13 year olds out there (for instance) may have had a bad home life and chosen to run away, but to be approached by a pimp and forced to hook is Not their choice. Same goes for boys. They run away and get caught up in street life. They learn how to do it for money.

Most of these kids feel stuck. And they're told by others that their families wouldn't take them back and that this is their life now. They feel they can't go home. And if the home life was bad in the 1st place, what then? Stuck.

As for the Nevada prostitutes who do it for tuition etc.... that Is a choice and IMO it's disgusting.

All in all, prostitution is a sad state of affairs.

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:13 pm

Well, you cant expect someone to NOT do it because you guys all have morals. Its just like abortion. Its their body, let them make the choice. As for the children who are hooking, I imagine that is what truancy officers, police, and foster homes are for. To get them off the street and in school where they can get the resources to make choices.

Wolverine · Post by **Wolverine** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:41 pm

i have to agree with Glitter. women who choose the oldest profession in the world are fine with me. Like the ladies at the Bunny Ranch in Nevada.

but those who are in it because they need a fix... nope.

and those who are Forced into it are in a category all by themselves.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:48 pm

Women - adult women, not children - choose prostitution. It's their right. The consequences of that choice is their responsibility ... including the consequence of being judged.

Me? I say legalize it.

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:31 pm

I agree.

johnny depp lover · Post by **johnny depp lover** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:34 pm

maybe but i have a question,

when they get payed... do they get payed a good wage or a crap wage??

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:37 pm

In Nevada? They get a good wage, plus tips.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:55 pm

In a decent brothel, as Lulu says, like some in Nevada, they get paid a decent wage, and they undergo regular health checks which -correct me if I'm wrong someone- I think are covered by the brothel. I'm sure they adjust for that with their pay scale, but no good brothel wants sick women. Bad for business.

There are also "escort services" (but we all know what that means) who pay a good wage.

On the other hand, a basic street hooker is not going to make decent pay. Her pimp/pimpess takes most of the cut. Add drugs into this and she's making enough to go from fix to fix.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:08 pm

This seems to be an older article but you might find it of interest anyway, perspective-wise:

http://www.bayswan.org/Laura.html

And of course there's a Wikipedia article too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Nevada

I only have a little knowledge of Nevada brothels because I live about two hours from Las Vegas. I don't know what the laws are anywhere else.

ARgi · Post by **ARgi** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:15 pm

i only feel sorry for those who do it because they have no other choice. otherwise it's their choice and it's none of my business.

Richard Bell · Post by **Richard Bell** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:59 pm

I'm still pondering the term "female woman".

I guess that differentiates from the trannies, she-males, drag queens and hermaphrodites working the streets.

What a world, eh ?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:47 am

Richard Bell wrote: I'm still pondering the term "female woman".

I guess that differentiates from the trannies, she-males, drag queens and hermaphrodites working the streets.

What a world, eh ?:yh_doh How'd I miss that?

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:56 am

:wah:

crazygal · Post by **crazygal** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:59 pm

johnny depp lover;438804 wrote: im sorry but i feel horrible that there are woman and girls out there having sex so that they can earn some money. most of them, given the choice wold be in a nice home but NOO they are out on the streets getting abused.

i am open for agreements or disagreements

Never heard of a male woman myself but yes, I find it very degrading and also very sad that people feel that desperate that they put themselves in such a dangerous position.

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:58 pm

Brothels are legal where I live in Australia and are regulated. Sex workers are, I understand, very well paid. I have no problem with their choice of employment.

crazygal · Post by **crazygal** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:00 pm

How about if your husband/boyfriend went there?

I just think that your body is the only thing you truly own and that you should keep it to yourself and your lover.

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:01 pm

AussiePam;551274 wrote: Brothels are legal where I live in Australia and are regulated. Sex workers are, I understand, very well paid. I have no problem with their choice of employment.

I think that should happen over here, it is so dangerous for the people working the streets, also they have regular health checks in brothels

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:49 pm

crazygal;551278 wrote: How about if your husband/boyfriend went there?

I just think that your body is the only thing you truly own and that you should keep it to yourself and your lover.
Do you think it should be illegal, or only that women shouldn't prostitute themselves?

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:45 pm

crazygal;551278 wrote: How about if your husband/boyfriend went there?

Then he'd be a pathetic cheating infidel and I would probably neuter him in his sleep.

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:29 pm

I hope my menfolk would have no need to visit other women, paid or not.

The local brothels are in three parts.. the front is usually a marital aids shop, the middle bit a peep show scenario, and the back the brothel proper. There are regulations where such premises can be situated and they have to keep their act clean - health checks, no underage or illegal immigrant workers, no drugs or rowdiness. This all keeps organised crime out. I've talked to some of the girls on their break and they seem just like any other people taking a break.

Personally I wouldn't wish to earn my living this way. I'm choosy about who I sleep with, but I don't feel it's any of my business to judge others. And they might also feel squeamish about the fact I earned my living for many years spinning words for politicians. There are many forms of prostitution, after all. Sell your body, sell your other talents ...

There are non-female prostitues too. In the newspapers here it is legal to advertise - as long as you are an adult. I understand many women also avail themselves of the male 'escort' services on offer. I'm speaking of willing adults here, not kids, druggies or street solicitors.

Prostitution is ancient. Maybe, in an ideal world, it would not exist. And maybe it isn't the best way to live. For some reason, the Christian church in particular has mostly been loads more morally appalled by sexual 'sins' than by meanness, arrogance, spitefulness, dishonesty, betrayal of friends etc etc...

Erinna1112 · Post by **Erinna1112** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:13 pm

RedGlitter;551420 wrote: Then he'd be a pathetic cheating infidel and I would probably neuter him in his sleep.

With a dull rusty spoon.

crazygal · Post by **crazygal** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:48 am

Accountable;551392 wrote: Do you think it should be illegal, or only that women shouldn't prostitute themselves?

Both to be honest. It's like recently when a few got murdered, sorry to say I had no sympathy for them.

crazygal · Post by **crazygal** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:49 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedGlitter

Then he'd be a pathetic cheating infidel and I would probably neuter him in his sleep.

Erinna1112;551444 wrote: With a dull rusty spoon.

lmfao hear hear!

Red · Post by **Red** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:13 am

I think its sad when these girls fall into the trap of thinking this is the only thing they are good for and can do, its so called 'easy' money but its actually anything but

Red · Post by **Red** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:15 am

crazygal;552805 wrote: Both to be honest. It's like recently when a few got murdered, sorry to say I had no sympathy for them.

I did think they were incredibly stupid to still work the streets knowing there was a murderer loose, but on hearing there stories and how they got involved in this life through mostly drug addiction and the need to score then i did feel for them but mostly for there families

crazygal · Post by **crazygal** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:15 am

Yeah other than degrading, you can't have any respect for yourself doing that can you.

crazygal · Post by **crazygal** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:17 am

Red;552845 wrote: I did think they were incredibly stupid to still work the streets knowing there was a murderer loose, but on hearing there stories and how they got involved in this life through mostly drug addiction and the need to score then i did feel for them but mostly for there families

Yes it's the families I feel sorry for as well. Same as with the death sentence, I agree with it in certain circumstances but it's the families who suffer in the long run.

Red · Post by **Red** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:17 am

crazygal;552846 wrote: Yeah other than degrading, you can't have any respect for yourself doing that can you.

no def not and once uve lost your self respect you stop caring

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:50 pm

Accountable;551392 wrote: Do you think it should be illegal, or only that women shouldn't prostitute themselves?

crazygal;552805 wrote: Both to be honest. It's like recently when a few got murdered, sorry to say I had no sympathy for them.
I agree that they shouldn't, but every adult has an inalienable right to be stupid, imo. I'll do my best to try to convince them not to act stupid, but I'm against laws that protect the stupid from themselves.

cinamin · Post by **cinamin** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:20 pm

If a woman acts like a prostitute she'll be treated like one.

I had a conversation with a woman who had been "dating" a man who I was living with and left recently. I found out that he'd been paying for her to stay in a motel for 1 or 2 nights out of the week. I was so shocked. And when I asked her if she had been having sex with him her answer was "yes". And I inquired further about money and such and she said just as plain as day "oh he always paid for everything". It just sounded so dirty, as if she was a hooker. And since I didn't know about her past, I could assume that maybe at one time in her life she may have been. Considering that he was paying for her to be at a motel near where we lived. And it was in the section of town near the prostitution area where there were lots of motels and hotels and tourists. She'd been doing this with him for 6 years she told me.

Not for me.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:39 am

I did feel sorry for those prostitutes that were murdered. They were human beings with their own reasons for what they did. I certainly don't think they deserved what they got by any means.

Post by **spot** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:06 am

crazygal;552846 wrote: Yeah other than degrading, you can't have any respect for yourself doing that can you.

On the contrary, I'm quite sure one can, and I'm sure that applies equally to both male and female sex workers. If the profession were less obliged to hide from the revenue system because of either stigma or legal restrictions there would be fewer abusive pimps living high on the proceeds, too. Like other jobs there's the skilled, the semi-skilled, the labourers and the no-hopers. I'd much rather self-respect were attached to those categories than to the nature of the work. I suspect that in many quarters it probably is, and a good thing too.

I see it more as a last bastion of class distinction, this prejudice. People don't pay so much attention to aristocratic breeding, or to inherited wealth, or to vocational calling, or to office over shop-floor, but they still look down their noses at personal service.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:35 am

Prostitution, well, aside from the morality of selling sexual favours for solid material gain or financial security, (and of course only professional prostitutes would ever countenance such ideas, hmmmmn?), sorry to sound so cynical, but.

Anyway, Prostitution, its hardly a new issue is it?

Post by **spot** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:20 pm

Galbally;553641 wrote: Anyway, Prostitution, its hardly a new issue is it?Neither's politics or preaching, and I know which of the three's caused least harm over the centuries.

wneelz42 · Post by **wneelz42** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:48 pm

I think that women who prositut are degratig themself. They think the only way to me mony is ti have sex with anyone who willgive it to them. It makes me sick.

crazygal · Post by **crazygal** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:25 am