Damned Plastic !

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:16 pm

Cancer update From: Johns Hopkins

1. No plastic containers in micro.

2. No water bottles in freezer.

3. No plastic wrap in microwave.

Johns Hopkins has recently sent this Memo out in its newsletters. This information is being circulated at Walter Reed Army Medical Center as well.

Dioxin chemicals causes cancer, especially breast cancer.

Dioxins are highly poisonous to the cells of our bodies.

Don't freeze your plastic bottles with water in them as this releases dioxins from the plastic.

Recently, Dr. Dr. Edward Fujimoto, Wellness Program Manager at Castle Hospital, was on a TV program to explain this health hazard. He talked about dioxins and how bad they are for us.

He said that we should not be heating our food in the microwave using plastic containers. This especially applies to foods that contain fat.

He said that the combination of fat, high heat, and plastics releases dioxin into the food and ultimately into the cells of the body.

Instead, he recommends using glass, such as Corning Ware, Pyrex or ceramic containers for heating food. You get the same results, only without the dioxin. So such things as TV dinners, instant ramen and soups, etc., should be removed from the container and heated in something else. Paper isn't bad but you don't know what is in the paper.

It's just safer to use tempered glass, Corning Ware, etc.

He reminded us that a while ago some of the fast food restaurants moved away from the foam containers to paper. The dioxin problem is one of the reasons.

Also, he pointed out that plastic wrap, such as Saran, is just as dangerous when placed over foods to be cooked in the microwave. As the food is nuked, the high heat causes poisonous toxins to actually melt out of the plastic wrap and drip into the food.

Cover food with a paper towel instead.

This is an article that should be sent to anyone important in your life

minks · Post by **minks** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:18 pm

Plastic is good as long as we don't try and alter it's molecules....

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:24 pm

minks wrote: Plastic is good as long as we don't try and alter it's molecules....

You said it sis ! Leave that to the mad scientists. Nomad is my name altering molecules is my game.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:24 pm

Nomad is a mad scientist, he can't help trying to alter the molecules................

Use glass containers!

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:25 pm

Many thanks for the warning.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:29 pm

flopstock wrote: Has anything ever been listed on the 'absolutely will not cause cancer' list?

I do recall them proving that distilled water was carcenogenic once - but it was more to prove that another team's technique was lousy than a serious claim.

minks · Post by **minks** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:30 pm

Nomad wrote: You said it sis ! Leave that to the mad scientists. Nomad is my name altering molecules is my game.

Just don't eat it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:31 pm

minks wrote: Just don't eat it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BBoop eats worms. Did you know that ? Shes the one that needs a talking to !

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:32 pm

We can always pop in a TV dinner in a plastic tray in the microwave for Nomad to munch on, while conducting his serious research.........................:p

annabelle · Post by **annabelle** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:04 pm

Good post nomad ......

Feeling tempted to throw ALL my plastic continers OUT .... PERIOD!

I've alway's preferred glass anyway ...

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:06 pm

annabelle wrote: Good post nomad ......

Feeling tempted to throw ALL my plastic continers OUT .... PERIOD!

I've alway's preferred glass anyway ...

Plastic pft...its just no good !

annabelle · Post by **annabelle** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:23 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: Sorry Nomad, but I googled "Johns Hopkins" and "plastic" and found out this is another urban myth. (That doctor's kind of hot, though.)

http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/a ... oxins.html

The transmigration of toxins from plastic into food is NOT a myth. This has been known for quite a few years.

annabelle · Post by **annabelle** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:27 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: Did you bother to read the site? He seems to know what he's talking about.

I have no need to read it, I've known about this for some time. It's a subject that has been thoroughly researched and argued upon for quite some time.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:38 pm

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:48 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: Did you bother to read the site? He seems to know what he's talking about.

Snooze, I know what she means... years ago, maybe close to 10, I

FINALLY got my mom to quit melting plastic wrap over my dad's

veggies she cooked in the microwave. I don't care what anyone says,

that sh!t just can't be good for ya...

If it's not dioxins per se, it's got to be some other junk.

*I* wouldn't do it... but I don't think occasional heating up of

your Lean Cuisine should send you running, either!!

annabelle · Post by **annabelle** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:07 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: Congrats for knowing more than this guy:

How amazing of you.

I could answer this, but I have no desire to baffle you with science.

cars · Post by **cars** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:13 pm

One of my old proverbs is: RESEARCH CAUSES CANCER! :wah:

Sad but true!

CheshireCat · Post by **CheshireCat** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:39 pm

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:26 pm

SnoozeControl wrote:

It's helpful to actually read a link before saying it's invalid.:rolleyes:

I don't know if you mean me, but I did read it again (after having read

it when someone sent it to me last week) and I don't think these last

couple of notes are in opposition to the way I feel about it:

Having said this, there is another group of chemicals, called phthalates that are sometimes added to plastics to make them flexible and less brittle. Phthalates are environmental contaminants that can exhibit hormone-like behavior by acting as endocrine disruptors in humans and animals. If you heat up plastics, you could increase the leaching of phthalates from the containers into water and food.

"In general, whenever you heat something you increase the likelihood of

pulling chemicals out" AND: Inert containers are best, for example heat

resistant glass, ceramics and good old stainless steel".

Why ingest that stuff if you don't really have to? I think also a lot of

things aren't "cured" enough. I don't like the taste of some stuff

specifically because I can detect the plastic taste. Same with aluminum

cans, one time somebody suggested if I didn't like my sodas out of cans

to pour them in a glass before I drank them... problem solved.

:-6

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:33 pm

Look here....

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/cookplastic.asp

theia · Post by **theia** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:12 pm

flopstock wrote: Has anything ever been listed on the 'absolutely will not cause cancer' list?

Probably...and then the researchers come along...

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:43 am

You crazy kids.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:32 am

annabelle wrote: The transmigration of toxins from plastic into food is NOT a myth. This has been known for quite a few years.

What about people (and I include children in that category) wearing plastic

clothes, or teflon-coated natural fibres, etc.? Will this cause a problem?

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:20 am

Fed them good old fashioned oatmeal in the morning, cooked on the stove!

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:54 am

The old urban legend..............................

theia · Post by **theia** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:55 am

chonsigirl wrote: Fed them good old fashioned oatmeal in the morning, cooked on the stove!

Oh, dear Chonsi, haven't you read the research on feeding, old fashioned oatmeal, mornings, cooking and stoves? :wah:

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:08 am

:wah: Back to the old rice cakes for Betty and me!

theia · Post by **theia** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:23 am

chonsigirl wrote: :wah: Back to the old rice cakes for Betty and me!

Your safest bet, methinks, Chonsi! I'll have to ask Betty where she buys them and follow suit!

cars · Post by **cars** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:54 am

chonsigirl wrote: Fed them good old fashioned oatmeal in the morning, cooked on the stove!

AMEN!

fisher · Post by **fisher** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:39 am

When I saw this info on plastic I was concerned. I have a bottle of water in my freezer every day. So I decided to do a bit of research on the matter. After a short search I was not worried at all. Freezing actually works against the release of chemicals. Heating the plastic I think I would be concerned about, but not freezing.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:03 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: Jeez!

The link I supplied was to show that there is no email from Johns Hopkins concerning the release of dioxins in frozen water bottles. If Annabelle had bothered to read the link she would've seen that's what I was talking about and this wouldn't have turned into a mini power struggle and misunderstanding.

One more thing... many of the horror stories we receive in emails turn out to be big fat lies by someone with too much time on their hands and a strange sense of humor. In other words, check it out before panicking!

No offense, Nomad, I know you meant this as a public service announcement.

No problemo

Still.....plastic is evil !

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:04 pm

How much does plastic play a part in your mad scientist schemes, Nomad?

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:14 pm

After this Johns Hopkins Medical essay embodying cold hard plastic facts I shall retreat to my material of choice at once. Tinfoil of course.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:20 pm

Ah, a wise decision, O Scientific One!

CheshireCat · Post by **CheshireCat** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:45 pm

I had to get rid of all the plastic in my house. My cat has a skin alergy that is irritated by plastic, and she has a plastic fettish. If you bring one of those plastic grocery bags around her, she licks it. Crazy cat! :p