I wonder.
After all, what he did was to try to rid his country of invaders. What is a leader meant to do when he sees people invading and colonising his nation?
I know that in Europe we seem to be just sitting back and not realising what’s happening, seeing immigrants when in fact they’re invading colonists and there’s a growing reaction to it by the people in the street.
My guess is that pretty soon in the UK there will be riots and fighting that will be called race riots in the news media but in fact they’ll be the indigenous population fighting against a growing population who follow what to us is an alien ideology – much as took place in Kosovo where Albanian Muslims had over years colonised and forced out the Serbs, and then the Serbs kicked back.
The pity is that the leaders of his army did what they did in the manner in which they did it. There were other ways. Our leaders should take heed and act now to protect the interests of the (still) majority that elected them into power.
Milosevic dead.
Milosevic dead.
Serb President Blames UN Tribunal for Death...
Milosevic dead.
people can be found guilty posthumously, but i don't know about the hague rules.
Milosevic dead.
JAB wrote: Hmmm, that's interesting. Couldn't it be claimed that the defendent wasn't around to defend himself? A denial of due process if you will?in the US a defendant can be found guilty in absentia. but that's voluntary absence, i.e. fleeing. i still don't know the rules of the hague, this requires some legal research. i hate to answer unless i'm sure.
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Milosevic dead.
I found some cases where the Hague will try in absentia, but the person was living elsewhere at the time. I do not know if they will try him since he is dead. Here is one example:
http://today.reuters.co.uk/News/CrisesA ... =L21673731
http://today.reuters.co.uk/News/CrisesA ... =L21673731
Milosevic dead.
Milosovich was a small man, who exploited an explosive situation in the balkans basically as a career move and to appease his wife's desires for his own advancement, he remained unrepentant to the end and considered himself a victim, as opposed to the tens of thousands of people who died as a direct result of his aggressive and narrow nationalist agenda. Yugoslavia was not a country awash with immigrants, simply a state that contained several nations within it, that have been at war with each other for at least 800 years, (a bit like the British Isles then?), many of the policy decisions that he was responsible for were directly responsible for the carnage in the early 90s in that part of the world. It would have been better for the Balkans, the Serbs, and Europe if he had been conclusively found guilty of these charges and punished. Justice has been denied, but one way or another very few people will miss him.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Milosevic dead.
Galbally wrote: Milosovich was a small man, who exploited an explosive situation in the balkans basically as a career move and to appease his wife's desires for his own advancement, he remained unrepentant to the end and considered himself a victim, as opposed to the tens of thousands of people who died as a direct result of his aggressive and narrow nationalist agenda. Yugoslavia was not a country awash with immigrants, simply a state that contained several nations within it, that have been at war with each other for at least 800 years, (a bit like the British Isles then?), many of the policy decisions that he was responsible for were directly responsible for the carnage in the early 90s in that part of the world. It would have been better for the Balkans, the Serbs, and Europe if he had been conclusively found guilty of these charges and punished. Justice has been denied, but one way or another very few people will miss him.
What’s so wrong about a Nationalist agenda?
And Yugoslavia HAD been invaded by Albanian Muslims over a number of years. These people had done their own ethnic cleansing of Serbs and it was this that was at the root of the understandable hatred towards them.
As for his guilt – guilty of what? Wanting to claim back Serbia from invaders? Nothing wrong in that. Guilty of loosing control of his army chiefs? Perhaps but then again, is ethnic cleansing so VERY wrong when the majority population of THEIR country want to reclaim THEIR country?
I don’t think so. OK, maybe there should have been an attempt at repatriation, maybe even forced repatriation, and in fact I recall that was attempted and that warfare broke out when the colonists refused to leave.
But I do know this. There’s more than a few people in the UK who would gladly see a leader with the courage to stand against the siren voices and the cancer of political correctness and clean OUR population of a parasitic invasion by an alien people and an alien ideology.
What’s so wrong about a Nationalist agenda?
And Yugoslavia HAD been invaded by Albanian Muslims over a number of years. These people had done their own ethnic cleansing of Serbs and it was this that was at the root of the understandable hatred towards them.
As for his guilt – guilty of what? Wanting to claim back Serbia from invaders? Nothing wrong in that. Guilty of loosing control of his army chiefs? Perhaps but then again, is ethnic cleansing so VERY wrong when the majority population of THEIR country want to reclaim THEIR country?
I don’t think so. OK, maybe there should have been an attempt at repatriation, maybe even forced repatriation, and in fact I recall that was attempted and that warfare broke out when the colonists refused to leave.
But I do know this. There’s more than a few people in the UK who would gladly see a leader with the courage to stand against the siren voices and the cancer of political correctness and clean OUR population of a parasitic invasion by an alien people and an alien ideology.
Milosevic dead.
golem wrote: What’s so wrong about a Nationalist agenda?
And Yugoslavia HAD been invaded by Albanian Muslims over a number of years. These people had done their own ethnic cleansing of Serbs and it was this that was at the root of the understandable hatred towards them.
As for his guilt – guilty of what? Wanting to claim back Serbia from invaders? Nothing wrong in that. Guilty of loosing control of his army chiefs? Perhaps but then again, is ethnic cleansing so VERY wrong when the majority population of THEIR country want to reclaim THEIR country?
I don’t think so. OK, maybe there should have been an attempt at repatriation, maybe even forced repatriation, and in fact I recall that was attempted and that warfare broke out when the colonists refused to leave.
But I do know this. There’s more than a few people in the UK who would gladly see a leader with the courage to stand against the siren voices and the cancer of political correctness and clean OUR population of a parasitic invasion by an alien people and an alien ideology.
Yes nationalist agenda's are fine, but when they involve killing lots of people who don't particularly deserve to die then perhaps some reticence on the subject is called for. When you get into the business of killing people I think that at least there should be some sort of justifyable reason for it, I can't see how this was the case in bosnia-hertzogovina, croatia, or kosovo.
I don't think that it takes much courage to blame migrants or whatever for a society's ills, as by definition such people tend to be quite powerless within a society (hence their popularity as a target for the populist nationalist politicans present in all countries at all times. Also, claiming that albanian "migrants" or "invaders" were to blame for all this is inflamatory and a little fatuous, at what point do people stop beomming migrants and become the "settled" community? 50 years? 100 years, 800 years? By that logic all the unionists in ulster should be sent back to whence they came as they have only been here in ireland for 450 years (relative blow-ins then eh?) somehow I don't think you would agree with that, as you probably like nationalist agendas that suit your worldview and beliefs, but you would no doubt be completely against nationalist agendas that you did not like, lets say german nationalism for example, or even french nationalism.
I do believe that there is validity in the point that there are problems with migrants in europe and lets be blunt, by that we mean muslim migrants, but I believe that as was said long ago "patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" and in milosevic's case that was more true than usual.
And Yugoslavia HAD been invaded by Albanian Muslims over a number of years. These people had done their own ethnic cleansing of Serbs and it was this that was at the root of the understandable hatred towards them.
As for his guilt – guilty of what? Wanting to claim back Serbia from invaders? Nothing wrong in that. Guilty of loosing control of his army chiefs? Perhaps but then again, is ethnic cleansing so VERY wrong when the majority population of THEIR country want to reclaim THEIR country?
I don’t think so. OK, maybe there should have been an attempt at repatriation, maybe even forced repatriation, and in fact I recall that was attempted and that warfare broke out when the colonists refused to leave.
But I do know this. There’s more than a few people in the UK who would gladly see a leader with the courage to stand against the siren voices and the cancer of political correctness and clean OUR population of a parasitic invasion by an alien people and an alien ideology.
Yes nationalist agenda's are fine, but when they involve killing lots of people who don't particularly deserve to die then perhaps some reticence on the subject is called for. When you get into the business of killing people I think that at least there should be some sort of justifyable reason for it, I can't see how this was the case in bosnia-hertzogovina, croatia, or kosovo.
I don't think that it takes much courage to blame migrants or whatever for a society's ills, as by definition such people tend to be quite powerless within a society (hence their popularity as a target for the populist nationalist politicans present in all countries at all times. Also, claiming that albanian "migrants" or "invaders" were to blame for all this is inflamatory and a little fatuous, at what point do people stop beomming migrants and become the "settled" community? 50 years? 100 years, 800 years? By that logic all the unionists in ulster should be sent back to whence they came as they have only been here in ireland for 450 years (relative blow-ins then eh?) somehow I don't think you would agree with that, as you probably like nationalist agendas that suit your worldview and beliefs, but you would no doubt be completely against nationalist agendas that you did not like, lets say german nationalism for example, or even french nationalism.
I do believe that there is validity in the point that there are problems with migrants in europe and lets be blunt, by that we mean muslim migrants, but I believe that as was said long ago "patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" and in milosevic's case that was more true than usual.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Milosevic dead.
Migrants are one thing. Colonists are another thing entirely.
Milosevic dead.
golem wrote: Migrants are one thing. Colonists are another thing entirely.
That is very true, and that is a problem. But that is another thread.
That is very true, and that is a problem. But that is another thread.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Milosevic dead.
Scrat wrote: How about your people being killed in the night? There are a lot of Croats and Albanians that should be where Milosavic is now.
Why in the hell does everyone insist on forgetting this?:-5
I don't think people blame the serbs exclusively for the wars in the former yugoslavia, its the fact that milosevic has just died, he is a serbian leader, and its his role that is being discussed. I do think that you have a point in that the media in the rest of Europe and the U.S. tended to be biased in favour of croatia and bosnia in the way that the war was reported, but then again, the Serbian government was the most guilty of the parties involved as yugoslavia was always a serb-dominated entity, and the government in belgrade did dictate events more so than those in power in zagreb or sarajevo, that doesn't absolve anyone, just the way things were there at the time.
Why in the hell does everyone insist on forgetting this?:-5
I don't think people blame the serbs exclusively for the wars in the former yugoslavia, its the fact that milosevic has just died, he is a serbian leader, and its his role that is being discussed. I do think that you have a point in that the media in the rest of Europe and the U.S. tended to be biased in favour of croatia and bosnia in the way that the war was reported, but then again, the Serbian government was the most guilty of the parties involved as yugoslavia was always a serb-dominated entity, and the government in belgrade did dictate events more so than those in power in zagreb or sarajevo, that doesn't absolve anyone, just the way things were there at the time.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Milosevic dead.
Scrat;262699 wrote: Now all we need is Ratko Miladic and just about every other "leader" that was ever in charge there on all sides hanging from gallows. The Serbs have decided to give up Radovan Karadzic, another step toward purging the national guilt. Not before time either. Presumably Ratko Mladic won't be far behind. Neither of them are mass murderers on the scale of this US White House administration but it shows how to deal with politicians and generals who set out down the path of killing for partisan benefit. Serbs today, Bush and company when the Americans finally get their act together.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7518543.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7518543.stm
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Milosevic dead.
Radovan Karadzic, charged with eleven counts of genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity and other atrocities, the killing of some 12,000 civilians during the siege of Sarajevo, the massacre of at least 7,500 Muslim men and youths in Srebrenica, targeting Bosnian Muslim and Croat political leaders, intellectuals and professionals, unlawfully deporting and transferring civilians because of national or religious identity, destroying homes, businesses and sacred sites.
Occupation for the last ten years, Snake Oil Salesman in Serbia's capital city, Belgrade. You couldn't make it up.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7519039.stm
Occupation for the last ten years, Snake Oil Salesman in Serbia's capital city, Belgrade. You couldn't make it up.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7519039.stm
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.