Why is Bin Laden back now?

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 10:36 am

Bin Laden is back. Bin Laden has been given credit by John Kerry for escaping from President Bush. Is it because Bin Laden thinks that an appearance at this time will add credence to what Kerry says, therefore improving KerryÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s chances for election? Or, is it because he wants us to think about the war on terrorism, which strengthens Bush? Why? Why now?

Tombstone · Post by **Tombstone** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 10:46 am

Clint wrote: Bin Laden is back. Bin Laden has been given credit by John Kerry for escaping from President Bush. Is it because Bin Laden thinks that an appearance at this time will add credence to what Kerry says, therefore improving KerryÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s chances for election? Or, is it because he wants us to think about the war on terrorism, which strengthens Bush? Why? Why now?

I am just reading the story now. Could this be the Democratic "October Surprise"?

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 10:56 am

Tombstone wrote: I am just reading the story now. Could this be the Democratic "October Surprise"?
I hadnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t let my otherwise cynical mind go that far yet. It makes one wonder. If it is, there is a good chance it will backfire.

Can you imagine how long the convention would have taken if he had given a speech?

Tombstone · Post by **Tombstone** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:32 am

Clint wrote: I hadnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t let my otherwise cynical mind go that far yet. It makes one wonder. If it is, there is a good chance it will backfire.

Can you imagine how long the convention would have taken if he had given a speech?

Enough time to make a pilgrimage or two! :yh_wink

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:57 am

Thought we had enough of Bin Liner jokes :-5

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:39 pm

capt_buzzard wrote: Thought we had enough of Bin Liner jokes :-5
While Ole SlimyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Bin Lurkin the joke binÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s been fillÃ¢â‚¬â„¢n.

A Karenina · Post by **A Karenina** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:44 pm

It's interesting all right. There are some sources which declare that the terrorists do not want Bush re-elected...which of course implies he's done a superlative job fighting terrorism.

Other sources claim that the terrorists DO want Bush re-elected, since their movement has grown substantially with his particular brand of war on terror. What better way to gain new members than to make sure your enemy continues to alienate those who hold the middle ground?

Is it possible to take bin laden's words at face value? To think that it really doesn't matter who we elect? That we're not safe from their attacks unless we do change our foreign policy regarding Muslim countries?

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:11 pm

Trouble Maker. I thought you got him. :-5 :-5

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:41 pm

capt_buzzard wrote: Trouble Maker. I thought you got him. :-5 :-5
Well, if Kerry had been president he would have taken his swift boat to those mountains in Afghanistan and we wouldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t be chasing Bin Laden andy more. If Kerry had been president we wouldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t have made any mistakes. He would have done everything better. If Kerry had been president Iraq would be the 51st State. If Kerry was president the whole world would love us and all UN resolutions would be obeyed out of love and respect for our leader.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 5:06 am

Clint,

The whole world does Love America. Everywhere I go its American culture. Even the kids want to be and look American. We also did back in the 1960s. Its still popular today. AMERICA.

telaquapacky · Post by **telaquapacky** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 6:55 am

I think Bin Laden is an Islamic Charles Manson. Manson and his cult committed some grisly, terroristic murders in the Los Angeles Area, thinking that they could ignite a race war in America Manson called Helter Skelter, after the Beatles' song.

I think Bin Laden's overall scheme is to bait the west into an all-out holy war pitting the western world against Islam. Sounds crazy, but the guy obviously is crazy.

In that scenerio, if Bin Laden were politically hip enough to know how to influence the US election, he would want elected whoever had the happiest trigger finger.

Suresh Gupta · Post by **Suresh Gupta** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:02 am

Clint wrote: Bin Laden is back. Bin Laden has been given credit by John Kerry for escaping from President Bush. Is it because Bin Laden thinks that an appearance at this time will add credence to what Kerry says, therefore improving KerryÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s chances for election? Or, is it because he wants us to think about the war on terrorism, which strengthens Bush? Why? Why now?

Osama's latest video is the headline news in most of the Indian newspapers. The central theme is, why, why now. Is there a special significance of the time the tape has been released, and who will be benefitted, Bush or Kerry?

One major newspaper Hindustan Times has given the heading, "OSAMA VOTES". Another news headline is , 'A different type of pre-election intervention'.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:36 am

On Irish Radio News, today Sunday 31 October 2004. The Iranian government is hoping G.W. is elected President, as JK would pull American troops out of Iraq, and Iran would be faced with the clean up and terrorists.

telaquapacky · Post by **telaquapacky** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:37 am

Suresh Gupta wrote: ... and who will be benefitted, Bush or Kerry?

..."OSAMA VOTES".

No question, Suresh. Bush will benefit. Keeping Americans scared so they will be willing to spend money for guns rather than butter.

If my theory is correct, and Osama is trying to bait the west into an apocalyptic holy war with Islam, he would want Bush re-elected.

By the way, not to worry. The world isn't going to descend into an apocalyptic holy war with Islam. The tension over the Middle East will always be there to distract people from the real issue. The big conflict is not between competing nations on earth. It is between God and Satan in our hearts.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:37 am

National Irish Radio www.rte.ie/

telaquapacky · Post by **telaquapacky** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:47 am

capt_buzzard wrote: The Iranian government is hoping G.W. is elected President, as JK would pull American troops out of Iraq, and Iran would be faced with the clean up and terrorists.Iran may have other reasons not to want Kerry. He was the lone voice that opened up the Iran-Contra scandal, where rogue elements within the Reagan Administration conspired to sell weapons to Iran, and launder and funnel the money to the anti-Communist Contras in Nicaragua.

A Karenina · Post by **A Karenina** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:19 am

telaquapacky wrote: Iran may have other reasons not to want Kerry. He was the lone voice that opened up the Iran-Contra scandal, where rogue elements within the Reagan Administration conspired to sell weapons to Iran, and launder and funnel the money to the anti-Communist Contras in Nicaragua.
In addition to this, so long as the US is busy with Iraq, we won't attack Iran - yet.

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:24 am

Does anyone remember 9-11? The world changed that day. The rules that applied before, went out the window. We have a war to fightÃ¢â‚¬¦it is not a police action. We do have some foreign policy issues that need to be changed but the war wonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t be over until it is won. We either have to win this war or surrender to be murdered. It is that simple. All this pre-9-11 geopolitical hindsight wonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t change the situation we are in today.

One more thing, George Bush had been in office eight months when this was dumped in his lap. If you think OBL had only been making preparations for eight months, before he pulled off 9-11, you give him a lot more credit than I do.

War is full of mistakes. It always has been and it always will be. If you think we can move forward with a leader that only moves if there is no chance the move is wrong, vote for Kerry. He will try to talk our way out of this like a good lawyer/legislator is trained to do. Remember though, talk is cheap and this enemy sees it as weakness.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:34 am

Some folk over here don't believe Bin Laden excists that its all a made up sham.

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:42 am

capt_buzzard wrote: Some folk over here don't believe Bin Laden excists that its all a made up sham.

I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t understand. Who do they think made him up? Why?

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:57 am

Some darker forces at work. And 9/11 was by some other group too. They did blame Israel in the beginning. You will find these guys here. But be warned. They are very Anti American. www.indymedia.ie/

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 12:36 pm

Does anyone remember 9-11? The world changed that day. The rules that applied before, went out the window. We have a war to fightÃ¢â‚¬¦it is not a police action. We do have some foreign policy issues that need to be changed but the war wonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t be over until it is won. We either have to win this war or surrender to be murdered. It is that simple. All this pre-9-11 geopolitical hindsight wonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t change the situation we are in today.

Very true, nor will it help with a solution but it might help you understand why you are in the situation and why some people feel so frustrated that suicide bombimg is all that is left.

One more thing, George Bush had been in office eight months when this was dumped in his lap. If you think OBL had only been making preparations for eight months, before he pulled off 9-11, you give him a lot more credit than I do.

Also very true, but osama is not stupid he has done this for effect. What effect did he want it to have on the american people?

A gung ho gun slinging american president plays right in to his hands. You are in a new reality in that terrorism is not a simple problem that will be solved by simple solutions-there is no quick fix it's going to take a long term shift in policy.

I don't know if kerry will be any better except he might have a better chance of persuading other countries to help with their troops. Actually i hope the elections work in iraq and everybody can just go home, at some point you have to withdraw troops and leave the iraquis to it.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 7:03 am

Or somebody else makes the tapes.

Suresh Gupta · Post by **Suresh Gupta** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 7:21 am

capt_buzzard wrote: Or somebody else makes the tapes.

You have added a new dimension to the issue. It certainly is a possibility. The tining is very important.