Mohamed cartoons provoke bomb threats
Mohamed cartoons provoke bomb threats
I think they should just get over, what bunch of whiners.
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And I thought Denmark was such a peaceful place....... :-2
Mohamed cartoons provoke bomb threats
Muslims around the world also want to boycott Denmark. Buy Danish!
http://medienkritik.typepad.com/blog/20 ... anish.html
http://medienkritik.typepad.com/blog/20 ... anish.html
Mohamed cartoons provoke bomb threats
moverguy wrote: IF YOU CAN'T TAKE A JOKE then go get blown straight to PIG and PORK hell, and I feel that way for any extremist
Start by viciously killing their psycho-charismatic leaders and then they will learn that we can ALL laugh at Christ, God, Buddha, Bushido and all the rest of the religious ICONS. So if they can laugh at one, then we laugh at all
AND THAT MEANS WE CAN LAUGH AT THAT RAG HEAD TOO
Your views seem a little extreme to me also mover, its about islam so you have to throw in a pointed comment about pigs...
You feel the need to insult a religious, cultural way of dress.....
There are many who have issue with extremists, but that does not give anyone the right to insult a whole culture or religion because of the views of fanatasists or extremists...
Many show anger in various ways and not that l condone it, but l can understand alot of people getting bloody tired of having a finger pointed at them, as l imagine many have done over the ages...
Do we slate all Irish for terrorists from their shores?, this list could go on and on and l havent the time to list them all, but lm sure you get my point.
I have issue with people the world over and their views etc, but l do not blame every person in that country or culture for it..
Maybe look back at your posts and see if you can see my point, and also why others would see your views as extreme.
As my gran says there are ways of saying things and getting your point across without resorting to name calling and bigotry.
I think the world could do with learning that lesson. in my humble opinion.
Start by viciously killing their psycho-charismatic leaders and then they will learn that we can ALL laugh at Christ, God, Buddha, Bushido and all the rest of the religious ICONS. So if they can laugh at one, then we laugh at all
AND THAT MEANS WE CAN LAUGH AT THAT RAG HEAD TOO
Your views seem a little extreme to me also mover, its about islam so you have to throw in a pointed comment about pigs...
You feel the need to insult a religious, cultural way of dress.....
There are many who have issue with extremists, but that does not give anyone the right to insult a whole culture or religion because of the views of fanatasists or extremists...
Many show anger in various ways and not that l condone it, but l can understand alot of people getting bloody tired of having a finger pointed at them, as l imagine many have done over the ages...
Do we slate all Irish for terrorists from their shores?, this list could go on and on and l havent the time to list them all, but lm sure you get my point.
I have issue with people the world over and their views etc, but l do not blame every person in that country or culture for it..
Maybe look back at your posts and see if you can see my point, and also why others would see your views as extreme.
As my gran says there are ways of saying things and getting your point across without resorting to name calling and bigotry.
I think the world could do with learning that lesson. in my humble opinion.
take a bite out of life it's there to be tasted!!
Mohamed cartoons provoke bomb threats
moverguy wrote: IF YOU CAN'T TAKE A JOKE then go get blown straight to PIG and PORK hell, and I feel that way for any extremist
Start by viciously killing their psycho-charismatic leaders and then they will learn that we can ALL laugh at Christ, God, Buddha, Bushido and all the rest of the religious ICONS. So if they can laugh at one, then we laugh at all
AND THAT MEANS WE CAN LAUGH AT THAT RAG HEAD TOO
Buddha is/was NOT an ICON. We follow his teachings, NOT the person....there was more than one Buddha by the way.
Your reaction is a bit extreme ....same as theirs actually.
Start by viciously killing their psycho-charismatic leaders and then they will learn that we can ALL laugh at Christ, God, Buddha, Bushido and all the rest of the religious ICONS. So if they can laugh at one, then we laugh at all
AND THAT MEANS WE CAN LAUGH AT THAT RAG HEAD TOO
Buddha is/was NOT an ICON. We follow his teachings, NOT the person....there was more than one Buddha by the way.
Your reaction is a bit extreme ....same as theirs actually.
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Mohamed cartoons provoke bomb threats
The majority of muslims just want to get on with their lives like anyone else. They are just as appalled at the actions of the extremists as the rest of us. The extremists do not represent the muslims.
The paper must have known that there would be a reaction like this. Therefore, it must have been a politically calculated undertaking. I'm not sure if I agree with their method, but the gist of their message is about the right to free speech with which I agree.
The paper must have known that there would be a reaction like this. Therefore, it must have been a politically calculated undertaking. I'm not sure if I agree with their method, but the gist of their message is about the right to free speech with which I agree.
Mohamed cartoons provoke bomb threats
It's about time that blasphamy laws were repealed for all religons. What is it about religons that they believe no one should have the right to disagree with them or refuse to believe as they do. If you don't happen to believe in a religon and think it ridiculous fantasy then do you not have a right to be from constant hectoring by religious fanatics?
In this country and Denmark and throughout europe you are`free to worship as you wish, you are not free to demand that films and books be banned because you happen to disapprove though you can make your opinions well known, just because you find something offensive doesn't mean it is. nor should you be free to stop those who don't share your beliefs from speaking out.
If this was a cartoon about the pope or poking fun at protestants no one would worry for two seconds about them being offended. Indeed all any protest would do is highlight the need to take the mickey out of the religious.
The life of Brian was shown despite protests from religious groups as most people had the sense to realise the satire was aimed at narrow minded religious zealos not the religon itself.
The spanish inquisition sketch from Monty Python is to most people one of the funniest, it's not poking fun at catholicism per se but the kind of mentality that can justify such things.
We have enough problems with sectarianism and protestants and catholics blowing each other up and refusing to mix with each other without islam getting involved as well.
Imagine a world with no Father ted or Dave Allen did they harm the catholic church? If a religon can't laugh at itself and it's foibles then they fail to appreciate god's greatest gift -a sense of humour
Ban religious teaching from schools, do away with seperate religious education as all it does is promote sectarian violence. If those of a religious disposition don't want their children mixing with those of other religons and cultures then too bad they should not have a choice in the matter. If their faith is not strong enough to allow their children a free choice then maybe they should face up to the reality that they have doubts themselves they don't want to think about and pferef to barainwash the young while they still can. I have yet to meet a true believer in any religon that gets angry if someone does not believe as they do. On the other hand I have met many religious people that hate those of the same faith that they view as too liberal or tolerant and want them to conform or get out thgeir church.
The cartoons were aimed at religious fanatics that teach suicide bombing is the road to paradise. Most ordinary muslims can probably understand the difference but perhaps are in a climate where they feel unable to speak out and say it doesn't matter.
Even if they are`offended and feel justified in complaining if they say nothing about those who want to behead the cartoonist or indulge in violent protest then they are condoning extremism.
If the cartoons are wrong and in poor taste then say so. In a free society where there is free speech if somenoine offends you then you are at liberty to say what you like in response-maybe even get them to eccept the offence given was wrong and apologise. What you don't have is a right to use violence and intimidation to shut them up.
If it was a joke about the pope and the catholic attitude to contraceptives and catholics objected would you care if the pope objected? Religious wars in europe are a thing of the past and the catholic church lost out trying to impose it's will. But the horror of religious war seems to raising it's head again in the world and rationality going out the window.
In this country and Denmark and throughout europe you are`free to worship as you wish, you are not free to demand that films and books be banned because you happen to disapprove though you can make your opinions well known, just because you find something offensive doesn't mean it is. nor should you be free to stop those who don't share your beliefs from speaking out.
If this was a cartoon about the pope or poking fun at protestants no one would worry for two seconds about them being offended. Indeed all any protest would do is highlight the need to take the mickey out of the religious.
The life of Brian was shown despite protests from religious groups as most people had the sense to realise the satire was aimed at narrow minded religious zealos not the religon itself.
The spanish inquisition sketch from Monty Python is to most people one of the funniest, it's not poking fun at catholicism per se but the kind of mentality that can justify such things.
We have enough problems with sectarianism and protestants and catholics blowing each other up and refusing to mix with each other without islam getting involved as well.
Imagine a world with no Father ted or Dave Allen did they harm the catholic church? If a religon can't laugh at itself and it's foibles then they fail to appreciate god's greatest gift -a sense of humour
Ban religious teaching from schools, do away with seperate religious education as all it does is promote sectarian violence. If those of a religious disposition don't want their children mixing with those of other religons and cultures then too bad they should not have a choice in the matter. If their faith is not strong enough to allow their children a free choice then maybe they should face up to the reality that they have doubts themselves they don't want to think about and pferef to barainwash the young while they still can. I have yet to meet a true believer in any religon that gets angry if someone does not believe as they do. On the other hand I have met many religious people that hate those of the same faith that they view as too liberal or tolerant and want them to conform or get out thgeir church.
The cartoons were aimed at religious fanatics that teach suicide bombing is the road to paradise. Most ordinary muslims can probably understand the difference but perhaps are in a climate where they feel unable to speak out and say it doesn't matter.
Even if they are`offended and feel justified in complaining if they say nothing about those who want to behead the cartoonist or indulge in violent protest then they are condoning extremism.
If the cartoons are wrong and in poor taste then say so. In a free society where there is free speech if somenoine offends you then you are at liberty to say what you like in response-maybe even get them to eccept the offence given was wrong and apologise. What you don't have is a right to use violence and intimidation to shut them up.
If it was a joke about the pope and the catholic attitude to contraceptives and catholics objected would you care if the pope objected? Religious wars in europe are a thing of the past and the catholic church lost out trying to impose it's will. But the horror of religious war seems to raising it's head again in the world and rationality going out the window.
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The problem is - IT IS the extremists that are most upset about it and are not content to send a letter to the editor. I was just reading that they are storming embassies and such in the Middle East.
The last 7 months, I have spent waiting at my computer for word from my DH. Now I worry that our European allies have put him more at risk.
I am all for freedom of speech and at my age, am willing to turn the other cheek when I see something that offends me. But shouldn't the people who have the power to put things like these cartoons have to take into account that not everyone will see it for what it is?
Sorry, but with the climate in the Middle East the way it is right now, is it really too much to ask that one be considerate of others?
The last 7 months, I have spent waiting at my computer for word from my DH. Now I worry that our European allies have put him more at risk.
I am all for freedom of speech and at my age, am willing to turn the other cheek when I see something that offends me. But shouldn't the people who have the power to put things like these cartoons have to take into account that not everyone will see it for what it is?
Sorry, but with the climate in the Middle East the way it is right now, is it really too much to ask that one be considerate of others?
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Mohamed cartoons provoke bomb threats
The moderate muslims have spoken out against the extremists. This has been reported in today's papers. They are also asking them to let it go. They are afraid of a holy war being stirred up. Even a Representative from the Hamas has declared that the extremist demonstrations are not representative.
Mohamed cartoons provoke bomb threats
LilacDragon wrote: The problem is - IT IS the extremists that are most upset about it and are not content to send a letter to the editor. I was just reading that they are storming embassies and such in the Middle East.
The last 7 months, I have spent waiting at my computer for word from my DH. Now I worry that our European allies have put him more at risk.
I am all for freedom of speech and at my age, am willing to turn the other cheek when I see something that offends me. But shouldn't the people who have the power to put things like these cartoons have to take into account that not everyone will see it for what it is?
Sorry, but with the climate in the Middle East the way it is right now, is it really too much to ask that one be considerate of others?
No the problem is extremists believe they have the right to bend others to their will.
European allies didn't put your husband at risk that was islamic extremists, GW, TB and the way the war on terror is being fought. I hope nothing happens to him and all the troops get out safely but it if it does it won't be because of a cartoon in a Danish paper. I don't mean to offend you I realise the Iraq war is especially touchy for those with relatives involved. In the UK we have a different take on the war, you don't support the troops by not criticising the war, instead people are angry at them being in the situation in the first place. You support the troops by holding to account those in power who put them there and hold politicians to account for not thinking things through in the first place. TB is a smarmy git who lied to parliament to get what he wanted. The situation in the middle east is not an overnight development, nor will it be sorted by simple fixes.imo
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/st ... 39,00.html
The point about satire and especialy political satire is to make people think and question what they are being told. It is meant to offend.
Maybe the people placing the cartoons should have thought a bit more but as soon as you decide not to say anything about islamic extremists-or any other kind for that matter-because you are scared they might be offended they have won. Being tolerant doesn't mean you tolerate being intimidated.
The last 7 months, I have spent waiting at my computer for word from my DH. Now I worry that our European allies have put him more at risk.
I am all for freedom of speech and at my age, am willing to turn the other cheek when I see something that offends me. But shouldn't the people who have the power to put things like these cartoons have to take into account that not everyone will see it for what it is?
Sorry, but with the climate in the Middle East the way it is right now, is it really too much to ask that one be considerate of others?
No the problem is extremists believe they have the right to bend others to their will.
European allies didn't put your husband at risk that was islamic extremists, GW, TB and the way the war on terror is being fought. I hope nothing happens to him and all the troops get out safely but it if it does it won't be because of a cartoon in a Danish paper. I don't mean to offend you I realise the Iraq war is especially touchy for those with relatives involved. In the UK we have a different take on the war, you don't support the troops by not criticising the war, instead people are angry at them being in the situation in the first place. You support the troops by holding to account those in power who put them there and hold politicians to account for not thinking things through in the first place. TB is a smarmy git who lied to parliament to get what he wanted. The situation in the middle east is not an overnight development, nor will it be sorted by simple fixes.imo
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/st ... 39,00.html
The point about satire and especialy political satire is to make people think and question what they are being told. It is meant to offend.
Maybe the people placing the cartoons should have thought a bit more but as soon as you decide not to say anything about islamic extremists-or any other kind for that matter-because you are scared they might be offended they have won. Being tolerant doesn't mean you tolerate being intimidated.
Mohamed cartoons provoke bomb threats
SnoozeControl wrote: Danish embassy in Beirut torched...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4682560.stm
Publishing the cartoons was stupid and insensitive. But the rioters are outrageous. They are nothing better than louts, thugs and hooligans.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4682560.stm
Publishing the cartoons was stupid and insensitive. But the rioters are outrageous. They are nothing better than louts, thugs and hooligans.
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GMC, the UK has anti-blasphemy laws?
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OpenMind wrote: Publishing the cartoons was stupid and insensitive. But the rioters are outrageous. They are nothing better than louts, thugs and hooligans.Seeing a pIcture of a baby in the daily papers wearing a headband with the slogan " I love Al Qaeda" said it all!
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OpenMind wrote: Publishing the cartoons was stupid and insensitive. But the rioters are outrageous. They are nothing better than louts, thugs and hooligans.
I agree open, they bring shame to all..
I feel for the Muslims of this world who want nothing to do with this kind of bloody behaviour..
I agree open, they bring shame to all..
I feel for the Muslims of this world who want nothing to do with this kind of bloody behaviour..
take a bite out of life it's there to be tasted!!
Mohamed cartoons provoke bomb threats
Accountable wrote: GMC, the UK has anti-blasphemy laws?
Yes but only to protect the Church of England. It gets more complicated in Scotland where not only is the legal sytem different so is the religon. Any religious debate very quickly becomes sectarian in nature the nuances of which are mind boggling to anyone who is not steeped in it from birth.
Hopefully we will now see the law scrapped altogether. Incidentally the law against inciting religious hatred they mention was defeated by one vote. TB had not bothered attending the house that day taking his support for granted, you can imagine the amusement that has caused.:yh_rotfl
Came across this link
http://www.altmuslim.com/perm.php?id=1645_0_25_0_C
Why were these cartoons published in the first place. Reading through the hundreds of articles that have been published about this incident, the intention seems to have been to spark debate on whether there is still freedom of expression in Denmark and Europe (particularly after the murder of Theo van Gogh). The paper, commissioned the drawings because they believed that non-Muslim artists were self-censoring due to fear of reprisals and death threats, and the paper wanted to make a statement about free speech. However, if they wanted to make a point about press freedom, they should have also considered the possible effects such cartoons might have in an environment of growing Islamaphobia and anti-Semitism in Europe. Why choose this time to increase tensions and focus on negative perceptions of Islam. Even if they did not mean to cause such an uproar, they must have realized that in this age of the internet and instant communication they were publishing materials that would be seen around the world in a matter of hours and whose effect was not limited to an internal Danish discussion of free speech.
I think they had a valid point as demonstrated by the reaction.
further down
When honor killings, suicide bombings, attacks on Christian churches, destruction of Buddhist statues, insults towards other religions are carried out anywhere in the world by individuals claiming an Islamic justification for such acts - then as Muslims, we need to speak out just as strongly for justice.
When anyone, anywhere (whether Muslim or not) is treated unjustly because of their religion, race, sex, or ethnicity by anyone (whether Muslim or not) Muslims should be the first to speak out for justice. If any prophet is maligned, or any place of worship is profaned, if any scripture is treated disrespectfully, then Muslims should be the first to speak out in their defence.
God save us from religon and the religious.
This whole thing is very medeival with a bunch of religious nutters revelling in the whole thing, both christian and muslim.
Monotheistic religons bad for mankind?
Yes but only to protect the Church of England. It gets more complicated in Scotland where not only is the legal sytem different so is the religon. Any religious debate very quickly becomes sectarian in nature the nuances of which are mind boggling to anyone who is not steeped in it from birth.
Hopefully we will now see the law scrapped altogether. Incidentally the law against inciting religious hatred they mention was defeated by one vote. TB had not bothered attending the house that day taking his support for granted, you can imagine the amusement that has caused.:yh_rotfl
Came across this link
http://www.altmuslim.com/perm.php?id=1645_0_25_0_C
Why were these cartoons published in the first place. Reading through the hundreds of articles that have been published about this incident, the intention seems to have been to spark debate on whether there is still freedom of expression in Denmark and Europe (particularly after the murder of Theo van Gogh). The paper, commissioned the drawings because they believed that non-Muslim artists were self-censoring due to fear of reprisals and death threats, and the paper wanted to make a statement about free speech. However, if they wanted to make a point about press freedom, they should have also considered the possible effects such cartoons might have in an environment of growing Islamaphobia and anti-Semitism in Europe. Why choose this time to increase tensions and focus on negative perceptions of Islam. Even if they did not mean to cause such an uproar, they must have realized that in this age of the internet and instant communication they were publishing materials that would be seen around the world in a matter of hours and whose effect was not limited to an internal Danish discussion of free speech.
I think they had a valid point as demonstrated by the reaction.
further down
When honor killings, suicide bombings, attacks on Christian churches, destruction of Buddhist statues, insults towards other religions are carried out anywhere in the world by individuals claiming an Islamic justification for such acts - then as Muslims, we need to speak out just as strongly for justice.
When anyone, anywhere (whether Muslim or not) is treated unjustly because of their religion, race, sex, or ethnicity by anyone (whether Muslim or not) Muslims should be the first to speak out for justice. If any prophet is maligned, or any place of worship is profaned, if any scripture is treated disrespectfully, then Muslims should be the first to speak out in their defence.
God save us from religon and the religious.
This whole thing is very medeival with a bunch of religious nutters revelling in the whole thing, both christian and muslim.
Monotheistic religons bad for mankind?
Mohamed cartoons provoke bomb threats
gmc wrote: Monotheistic religons bad for mankind?
They definitely are whenever people don't look at the bigger picture when following them, picking and choosing which parts of them they want to follow and which they don't.
When anyone, anywhere (whether Muslim or not) is treated unjustly because of their religion, race, sex, or ethnicity by anyone (whether Muslim or not) Muslims should be the first to speak out for justice.
Once again, there's the theory. But the reality tells a slightly different story.
They definitely are whenever people don't look at the bigger picture when following them, picking and choosing which parts of them they want to follow and which they don't.
When anyone, anywhere (whether Muslim or not) is treated unjustly because of their religion, race, sex, or ethnicity by anyone (whether Muslim or not) Muslims should be the first to speak out for justice.
Once again, there's the theory. But the reality tells a slightly different story.
Mohamed cartoons provoke bomb threats
I feel most sorry for the editor of a Jordanian newspaper who posed the question .....Who offends Islam more? A foreigner who endeavours to draw the prophet as described by his followers in the world or a Muslim armed with an explosive belt who commits suicide in a wedding in Amman or anywhere else?
He was sacked! Thank heavens for the Muslims who can think for themselves. I hope someone has the sense to reinstate him..the world needs all the moderates we can get...of every religion or of none.
He was sacked! Thank heavens for the Muslims who can think for themselves. I hope someone has the sense to reinstate him..the world needs all the moderates we can get...of every religion or of none.
Mohamed cartoons provoke bomb threats
The situation is very volatile at the moment.
Mohamed cartoons provoke bomb threats
Far Rider wrote: .... and they get a bit upset at a cartoon?
LOL!You are a master of the understatement!!! Isn't it just because some Muslims are so volatile and apparently unable to think for themselves where their religion is concerned that we need to be more careful and more diplomatic? It was insensitive for the cartoons to be published in the first place but, as I understand it, it was whipped up out of all proportion by a small proportion of extremists who sought to make capital out of it. Calm is really the only option IMO...what point in inflaming things further?
LOL!You are a master of the understatement!!! Isn't it just because some Muslims are so volatile and apparently unable to think for themselves where their religion is concerned that we need to be more careful and more diplomatic? It was insensitive for the cartoons to be published in the first place but, as I understand it, it was whipped up out of all proportion by a small proportion of extremists who sought to make capital out of it. Calm is really the only option IMO...what point in inflaming things further?
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posted by far rider
I'm a former career military man, I've been in combat and I have to say for the most part I really am slow to be provoked in most circumstances, what we are seeing here is a symptom of extremeism, and in my experince there is no reasoning or diplomacy until you have your foot on their necks and they either surrender or you wipe them off the face of the earth. Weve spent 60 plus years being careful and diplomatic. I'm done with that.
This is the norm for Radical Islam. I see no other alternatives anymore.
The hard bit is dealing with extremists of any kind without gaining them more support. Extremism begets extremism. If you respond in kind that is exactly what they want you to do because they know the situation can escalated to their advantage as reason goes out the window.
The cartoons were actually published in September these world wide protests are being orchestrated in the hope the west will respond with violence against all muslims not just the extremists. If we do then they win and we've given them what they want, a religious war.
I'm a former career military man, I've been in combat and I have to say for the most part I really am slow to be provoked in most circumstances, what we are seeing here is a symptom of extremeism, and in my experince there is no reasoning or diplomacy until you have your foot on their necks and they either surrender or you wipe them off the face of the earth. Weve spent 60 plus years being careful and diplomatic. I'm done with that.
This is the norm for Radical Islam. I see no other alternatives anymore.
The hard bit is dealing with extremists of any kind without gaining them more support. Extremism begets extremism. If you respond in kind that is exactly what they want you to do because they know the situation can escalated to their advantage as reason goes out the window.
The cartoons were actually published in September these world wide protests are being orchestrated in the hope the west will respond with violence against all muslims not just the extremists. If we do then they win and we've given them what they want, a religious war.
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OKay.. let me see if I have this straight.. they make statements like destroy Israel, behead innocents while hiding behind masks, walk into weddings and detonate a bomb vest, .. etc etc.. I think you get the picture..
Yet.. you are saying that we should be more sensitive to them and not publish a political cartoon that makes a valid point.. that they are using religious intrepretions and hiding behind them to validate their killing of innocent civilians.. PUllllleezzeeee....
Unfortunately I am leaning towards Far's assessment.. and believe me this is not a decision I take lightly having glimpsed the elephant myself... the only reason that any religious fanatic understands is force..and if it comes to that well .. we have to play by the rules they establish even if we don't like them..
Yet.. you are saying that we should be more sensitive to them and not publish a political cartoon that makes a valid point.. that they are using religious intrepretions and hiding behind them to validate their killing of innocent civilians.. PUllllleezzeeee....
Unfortunately I am leaning towards Far's assessment.. and believe me this is not a decision I take lightly having glimpsed the elephant myself... the only reason that any religious fanatic understands is force..and if it comes to that well .. we have to play by the rules they establish even if we don't like them..
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The pot is coming to a roaring boil and won't be long till it boils over.
"Girls are crazy! I'm not ever getting married, I can make my own sandwiches!"
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Mohamed cartoons provoke bomb threats
A lot of those who took part in the London rampage are now feeling the egg on their faces as they realise what they have done. They are realising that they are being extremely offensive using their right to free speech.
MPs are calling for answers from the police as to why no one was arrested for incitement to violence. The police will have to take action now.
If they do, I expect the reaction to be violent.
MPs are calling for answers from the police as to why no one was arrested for incitement to violence. The police will have to take action now.
If they do, I expect the reaction to be violent.
Mohamed cartoons provoke bomb threats
OpenMind wrote: A lot of those who took part in the London rampage are now feeling the egg on their faces as they realise what they have done. They are realising that they are being extremely offensive using their right to free speech.
MPs are calling for answers from the police as to why no one was arrested for incitement to violence. The police will have to take action now.
If they do, I expect the reaction to be violent.
The guy who wore the 'suicide bomber' out fit has apoogised apparently and his mosque has also apologised. (Radio 5 live)
MPs are calling for answers from the police as to why no one was arrested for incitement to violence. The police will have to take action now.
If they do, I expect the reaction to be violent.
The guy who wore the 'suicide bomber' out fit has apoogised apparently and his mosque has also apologised. (Radio 5 live)
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Far Rider wrote: Bez, I dont know this whole story so maybe I should qualify this statement with that, but anyone who dresses like a suicide bomber around me's gonna get one hole in his forehead more than he should have.
A bit more about this guy...he's out on license from serving a 5 year sentence for drug dealing.....heroin and cocaine.... the probation service are considering his situation.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4686410.stm
A bit more about this guy...he's out on license from serving a 5 year sentence for drug dealing.....heroin and cocaine.... the probation service are considering his situation.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4686410.stm
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Mohamed cartoons provoke bomb threats
OpenMind wrote: A lot of those who took part in the London rampage are now feeling the egg on their faces as they realise what they have done. They are realising that they are being extremely offensive using their right to free speech.
MPs are calling for answers from the police as to why no one was arrested for incitement to violence. The police will have to take action now.
If they do, I expect the reaction to be violent.
They have shown their true colors. Any one who advocates execution for a stupid cartoon.....! If thats not extreme, then I dont know what is! I saw those bastards marching in London! I saw what their cards said! These people BELIEVE that! And we let them live amongst us! By governments burying their heads in the sand, more innocent people will get blown up! They are fighting a WAR! What do they think Jihad means anyway? And they have declared Jihad against the west!
MPs are calling for answers from the police as to why no one was arrested for incitement to violence. The police will have to take action now.
If they do, I expect the reaction to be violent.
They have shown their true colors. Any one who advocates execution for a stupid cartoon.....! If thats not extreme, then I dont know what is! I saw those bastards marching in London! I saw what their cards said! These people BELIEVE that! And we let them live amongst us! By governments burying their heads in the sand, more innocent people will get blown up! They are fighting a WAR! What do they think Jihad means anyway? And they have declared Jihad against the west!
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Raven wrote: They have shown their true colors. Any one who advocates execution for a stupid cartoon.....! If thats not extreme, then I dont know what is! I saw those bastards marching in London! I saw what their cards said! These people BELIEVE that! And we let them live amongst us! By governments burying their heads in the sand, more innocent people will get blown up! They are fighting a WAR! What do they think Jihad means anyway? And they have declared Jihad against the west!
It's getting out of hand and very scary...
It's getting out of hand and very scary...
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Far Rider wrote: So when do we say enough's enough and meet them out under the conditions set forth by their actions?
September 11, 2001.
And that was late.
September 11, 2001.
And that was late.
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Far Rider wrote: So that rules out mob reasoning then and makes this deliberate. Im not advocating all muslums be attacked. What I would ask is Syria to arrest, try and convict the guilty parties and make them pay resitution, but you and I know they will not even consider that, I'm hoping Lebanon does.
This things gonna come to a head sooner or later, and they sit over there gaining more weapons and developing more ways to deliver them.
It's getting close to the time the world needs to respond, we're delaying the inevitable now.
The protests are, I think, being orchestrated by extremists. Syria is a police state diverting attention away from it's own internal issues as police states the world over do. In the UK it was some 300 or so protesting about the cartoons, hardly a mass demonstration.
Islamic fundamentalists, christian fundamentalists, jewish fundamentalisits, hindu fundamentalists (India and Pakistan both HAVE nuclear weapons, I would worry more about them than I would Iran and Syria) they are all the same and want religious conflict and take great delight in these events because they think it helps their cause.
Hindus in India blow up moslems to vreate conflict just as muslims blow up hindus. Catholic blows up protestant while protestants blow up catholics.-My wife has an Irish teacher in her school from Derry whose father's business got firebombed three times, until he took the hint and left town, because he was a catholic who grew up in the area and thought he had a right to continue living there and nodody would mind. In Northern Ireland parents would gather outside primary schools to shout abuse at primary kids walking through their neighbourhood to go to the catholic school. In America you had problems with race relations that are peculiarly american with religon used as a justification for race hate and prejudice.
There are some christian groups that believe the end of days is nigh. I think they're off their heads drunk on ignorance and the glory of god believing they will be saved and everyone else will go to hell. They haven't resorted to terrorism contenting themselves with calls to arms instead.
It's all the same kind of thing, hate and violence are not uniquely muslim traits but it is a very human one.
Most of humanity isn't interested in going to war and just want to live in peace and bring up their families. It would be silly if we let a bunch of religious nutters with a medeival attitude to religon and society start a world war. They can only do so if we let them.
Things will only come to a head if we let them. Avoiding conflict does not mean you give in to terrorists, you deal with them and don't just lash out at and demonise whole societies just because there is a cconnection to terrorists. Warfare is a last resort and if you deliver threats and utimatums you leave no choice but war.
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We need to unleash our military. March on Syria, crush them, sieze the last of Iraqs stockpiles of chem weapons, when thats done the Muslum world will cease to fund radical Islam to the level thats happening now, and we'll buy another 50 years of peace.
It will be costly in american lives. But if we allow it to contuinue the loss of civilian americans and other westerners will climb. I say we have soldiers for a reason, we all know what for.
We're very close to the point where its going to break out in a wave, when that happens the "sheeple" we've seen so easily influenced will be caught in the middle again.
If we wait thats what will happen. I hear all the time we shouldnt premptively strike, what happens when we have no choice.
Ive heard it said many times, and it is true, the boldest measures are often the most successful.
Now how is that any different from an islamic fundamentalist calling for a holy war against the west?
Iraq didn't have a stockpile of chemical weapons, Iraq had nothing to do with 911, the people who attacked were saudi arabian funded by Saudi Arabia and led by a Saudi.
The boldest measures are often the most successful but only if it is the right one to take.
A pre-emptive strike against what? Who do you target, how do you target what weapons do you use. Most is all perhaps a pre-emptive strike is hardly an option that one is forced in to. It's a choice taken by someone facing a stronger enemy and hopes to so weaken an enemy they can't fight back. There is no such thing as a limited war, or precision warfare, just warfare.
Why not just totally withdraw from the middle east, stop trading with them, stop buying their oil and bankrolling Israel and propping up Saudi arabia and let them fight it out amongst themselves and then deal with the regimes that emerge. Without western arms industries supplying them they will very soon be down to bows and arrows. Is there any reason why we need to bother trading with them?
I'm sorry but Syria and Iran attacking the west and bringing down democracy? It's just not that convincing a bogey man.
This things gonna come to a head sooner or later, and they sit over there gaining more weapons and developing more ways to deliver them.
It's getting close to the time the world needs to respond, we're delaying the inevitable now.
The protests are, I think, being orchestrated by extremists. Syria is a police state diverting attention away from it's own internal issues as police states the world over do. In the UK it was some 300 or so protesting about the cartoons, hardly a mass demonstration.
Islamic fundamentalists, christian fundamentalists, jewish fundamentalisits, hindu fundamentalists (India and Pakistan both HAVE nuclear weapons, I would worry more about them than I would Iran and Syria) they are all the same and want religious conflict and take great delight in these events because they think it helps their cause.
Hindus in India blow up moslems to vreate conflict just as muslims blow up hindus. Catholic blows up protestant while protestants blow up catholics.-My wife has an Irish teacher in her school from Derry whose father's business got firebombed three times, until he took the hint and left town, because he was a catholic who grew up in the area and thought he had a right to continue living there and nodody would mind. In Northern Ireland parents would gather outside primary schools to shout abuse at primary kids walking through their neighbourhood to go to the catholic school. In America you had problems with race relations that are peculiarly american with religon used as a justification for race hate and prejudice.
There are some christian groups that believe the end of days is nigh. I think they're off their heads drunk on ignorance and the glory of god believing they will be saved and everyone else will go to hell. They haven't resorted to terrorism contenting themselves with calls to arms instead.
It's all the same kind of thing, hate and violence are not uniquely muslim traits but it is a very human one.
Most of humanity isn't interested in going to war and just want to live in peace and bring up their families. It would be silly if we let a bunch of religious nutters with a medeival attitude to religon and society start a world war. They can only do so if we let them.
Things will only come to a head if we let them. Avoiding conflict does not mean you give in to terrorists, you deal with them and don't just lash out at and demonise whole societies just because there is a cconnection to terrorists. Warfare is a last resort and if you deliver threats and utimatums you leave no choice but war.
posted by far rider
We need to unleash our military. March on Syria, crush them, sieze the last of Iraqs stockpiles of chem weapons, when thats done the Muslum world will cease to fund radical Islam to the level thats happening now, and we'll buy another 50 years of peace.
It will be costly in american lives. But if we allow it to contuinue the loss of civilian americans and other westerners will climb. I say we have soldiers for a reason, we all know what for.
We're very close to the point where its going to break out in a wave, when that happens the "sheeple" we've seen so easily influenced will be caught in the middle again.
If we wait thats what will happen. I hear all the time we shouldnt premptively strike, what happens when we have no choice.
Ive heard it said many times, and it is true, the boldest measures are often the most successful.
Now how is that any different from an islamic fundamentalist calling for a holy war against the west?
Iraq didn't have a stockpile of chemical weapons, Iraq had nothing to do with 911, the people who attacked were saudi arabian funded by Saudi Arabia and led by a Saudi.
The boldest measures are often the most successful but only if it is the right one to take.
A pre-emptive strike against what? Who do you target, how do you target what weapons do you use. Most is all perhaps a pre-emptive strike is hardly an option that one is forced in to. It's a choice taken by someone facing a stronger enemy and hopes to so weaken an enemy they can't fight back. There is no such thing as a limited war, or precision warfare, just warfare.
Why not just totally withdraw from the middle east, stop trading with them, stop buying their oil and bankrolling Israel and propping up Saudi arabia and let them fight it out amongst themselves and then deal with the regimes that emerge. Without western arms industries supplying them they will very soon be down to bows and arrows. Is there any reason why we need to bother trading with them?
I'm sorry but Syria and Iran attacking the west and bringing down democracy? It's just not that convincing a bogey man.
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Most of the bloggers on this thread are Idiots! How can you blame all of Islam for the rhetoric of a few knuckleheads? As an American who has traveled i have come to learn that Islam is probably the only relegion that is truly respected and obeyed! not to say that some of these idiots are right but to say they truly believe and are willing to die for it! Do you think that a jehovahs witness is willing to put his life on the line for his beliefs? I think not! its time Americans learn that we are the new kids on the block and that we are not the first superpower whom has tried to impose there will on people! ask the Russians if controlling afghanistan is easy or achieviable? Does America ever ask the opinion of countrys that have been around for thousands of years how they feel about democratsie,religion,morals? No we impose them as best we can. Americans should ask why they hate us not how can we dominate them. And believe me they dont hate us (me and you) they hate what we allow our (elected) leaders to do to them. Idi Amin,marcos,allende,noriega,Hussien,the shah,duvallier,pinochet all men we helped into power with the thought the enemy of my enemy is my friend as long as i can control him! Do our boys really have to die for G.W. bush's
ego? He's just like Douglas Niedemeyer in Animal house rich,spoiled,arrogant,nationalistic and very very powerful to the people he serves.
When did our country get sucked into believing that our way of life was the one and only way of life? thats exactly what the french,spanish and english thought when they set out to conquer the world! they killed millions created divisions that still exsist today and accomplished one thing! They made the rich richer and the poor mad as hell. Arabic peoples have given so much to mankind(math,language,law,civilization) how can GW with his high school education and Texas mentality(which is great for football or war) judge what and whom is moral? and just? he knows nothing of hardship,poverty,oppression or history! He is just as conditioned as you and me but he has the power? sounds funny! WE THE PEOPLE should have the power! And we do but we just dont use it! we are to concerned about the superbowl to ever really accept the responsibilty that our forefathers gave us! And what was the revolution about? A group of people that rose up and told the king we the people want more than just your morals,Laws and rules and now we kill the very people that are saying that to us. The peasants are revolting, yes they are. But according to our own constitution and bill of rights they have the right to deny our domination. Wake-up America and realize your leaders dont give a damn about you!
ego? He's just like Douglas Niedemeyer in Animal house rich,spoiled,arrogant,nationalistic and very very powerful to the people he serves.
When did our country get sucked into believing that our way of life was the one and only way of life? thats exactly what the french,spanish and english thought when they set out to conquer the world! they killed millions created divisions that still exsist today and accomplished one thing! They made the rich richer and the poor mad as hell. Arabic peoples have given so much to mankind(math,language,law,civilization) how can GW with his high school education and Texas mentality(which is great for football or war) judge what and whom is moral? and just? he knows nothing of hardship,poverty,oppression or history! He is just as conditioned as you and me but he has the power? sounds funny! WE THE PEOPLE should have the power! And we do but we just dont use it! we are to concerned about the superbowl to ever really accept the responsibilty that our forefathers gave us! And what was the revolution about? A group of people that rose up and told the king we the people want more than just your morals,Laws and rules and now we kill the very people that are saying that to us. The peasants are revolting, yes they are. But according to our own constitution and bill of rights they have the right to deny our domination. Wake-up America and realize your leaders dont give a damn about you!
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Bush cartoons in al jazerra promt real bomb attacks in f-16's or b-1b bombers? on real people so who should be afraid?
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nethead wrote: Most of the bloggers on this thread are Idiots! How can you blame all of Islam for the rhetoric of a few knuckleheads? As an American who has traveled i have come to learn that Islam is probably the only relegion that is truly respected and obeyed! Blah blah blah blah...
Well, your ability to repeat what everyone has already heard a million times over the past few years while totally ignoring the real complexity of the situation is certainly admirable. But you might want to brush up a little on your spelling.
Well, your ability to repeat what everyone has already heard a million times over the past few years while totally ignoring the real complexity of the situation is certainly admirable. But you might want to brush up a little on your spelling.
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sixyearsleft wrote: There trying to compare it to the Christians protest's over the Jerry Springer Opera,
but if i remember rightly, nobody talked about beheading.....
No but the Christians use bombs and coersion. and remember jerry is uniquley American.
but if i remember rightly, nobody talked about beheading.....
No but the Christians use bombs and coersion. and remember jerry is uniquley American.
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Wow, Nethead. Nothing like stomping puddles & getting everybody's school shoes dirty to get yourself ingratiated into the group.
Most of us are idiots? Oh, I'm sorry. Most of the bloggers. At first I thought you'd researched the thousands of Gardeners. I haven't checked out the blog site, but if you say so...........
Most of us are idiots? Oh, I'm sorry. Most of the bloggers. At first I thought you'd researched the thousands of Gardeners. I haven't checked out the blog site, but if you say so...........